Video: Michelle knocks Maverick’s Shamnesty on Cavuto
posted at 4:50 pm on January 24, 2008 by Bryan
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The segment begins, appropriately, with John McCain talking about illegal immigration in a way that must have a demagogue like John Edwards glowing with silky green envy. Edwards the lord of the ginormous manor gets to talk about his father working for the mills to make an unconvincing case that he’s a man of the people; McCain talks about a US soldier who was captured and murdered by al Qaeda, whose wife turned out to be an illegal alien, en route to using our emotions to tug us toward amnesty for all illegal aliens (though he won’t admit that it’s amnesty). Out of the 12-20 million cases of illegal aliens taking up residence in the US, the case McCain cites can’t even account for a meaningful blip in the statistics. It says nothing about what we should do about border security. It just misuses the murder of a valiant soldier by terrorist scum as an excuse to leave the nation’s back door open to the same kind of people who killed him along with the millions who had nothing to do with it. If McCain had any shame, he wouldn’t use that story to argue that, essentially, US immigration law doesn’t mean anything because one soldier was married to an illegal alien. But he uses it nevertheless.
Michelle’s first point, about being tired of McCain telling us who he won’t enforce the law against, is spot on. That is why law-and-order conservatives are beyond annoyed with McCain. And then she gets going strong from there.
By the way, John McCain has picked up some notable support lately…from Mother Jones.
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My favorite Fox host and Michelle. I like.
I hope that one of the candidates picks up on the ‘who will you enforce the law against?’ line because McCain is managing to paint immigration reform into the absolute moral authority card.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Is it true Bill Oreilly fired Michelle from his show?
froghat on January 24, 2008 at 4:56 PM
No.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 4:58 PM
I believe Michelle left after Geraldo’s stupidity.
amerpundit on January 24, 2008 at 5:00 PM
No, it’s not.
Bryan on January 24, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Wait a minute…Michelle says there “…open-borders folks like McCain…”
But since when is John McCain “open-borders folk”? He says, albeit grudgingly, that he’ll support the fence…which is really the first thing we must do. McCain just doesn’t see the reasoning, and neither do I, of deporting folks until the borders are sealed.
JetBoy on January 24, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Michelle quit…I wish you would do the same, fricken’ troll.
omnipotent on January 24, 2008 at 5:03 PM
After Michelle’s analyisis on McCain
what else is their to say,after Florida
Republicans will have to put up,or McCain’s
going to have to shut up!
canopfor on January 24, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Yes!
omnipotent on January 24, 2008 at 5:04 PM
I wish I could remember which HotHead I’m stealing this line from so that I could give ‘em full credit…
Dear Michelle,
“Sick ‘em, Tiny!”
Tony737 on January 24, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Great way to continue undermining yourself while giving us absolute proof of your insincerity regarding your “I have heard you” conversion, McVain.
BTW, she had me at “he’s not a candidate conservatives can trust”. Although she had me with everything else she said before that too.
thirteen28 on January 24, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Why not have Romney quote Michelle at tonight’s debate.
Wouldn’t it be fun watching McCain?
Purple smoke would shoot out of his ears!
woodswalking1 on January 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM
We may be stuck with the choice of McCain versus Hillary or Obama bin Laden. This will be a tough choice!
stonemeister on January 24, 2008 at 5:08 PM
He’s come to that position pretty late in the day, and not of his own free will. Plus, I believe he said he would(paraphrasing) “build the damned fence if that’s what they want, but it wouldn’t do any good anyway.” John’s talking out of both sides of his mouth again.
a capella on January 24, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Straight Talk.
amerpundit on January 24, 2008 at 5:13 PM
I want to applaud Michelle. While I dont think McCain is unfit to be President I certainly do feel he deserves to be roasted for his immigration stance.
That is the only issue that Romney is stronger than McCain on and McCain deserves to be chastised for his stance.
This is much better than seeing others smear McCain for his military service which isnt the right thing to do. I was really sad to see Swartzkopfs Military career slammed simply because he backed McCain. If he had backed Romney many here would have cheered that. Its sad we let politics undermine our judgement at times.
But on this issue unload on McCain he deserves all the fire we can muster.
William Amos on January 24, 2008 at 5:13 PM
And the economy.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Lindsay Graham seems to be showing up a lot lately at these McCain Rallies… Now wouldnt that Presidential Ticket be a Kick in the Pants.
LibsREvilDoers on January 24, 2008 at 5:18 PM
You mean aside from taxes, interrogation of terrorist scum, the economy, family values, etc…
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 5:19 PM
All McCain needs to do is to threaten to spit in Michelle’s face and she’ll run away. lol
froghat on January 24, 2008 at 5:20 PM
You haven’t been listening to McCain. He has no intention of deporting anybody. When he says he “gets” that we have to seal the border first, he means that we have to do that before granting AMNESTY to the tens of millions of illegals already here. McCain still supports amnesty, he just doesn’t want to call it that because he knows that will get him booed (and lose him votes). That’s what all his “I won’t call a U.S. soldier in Iraq and tell him we’re deporting his mother” crap is all about. A rationalization for his amnesty plans.
AZCoyote on January 24, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Add to that list stem cell research on human embryos, Global Warming legislation, Free-speech crushing campaign finance laws, etc…
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Dude, that is disgusting. And to top it off you add that little “lol” at the end. You remind me of the heinous smirk on McAmnesty’s face. Passive aggressive moron you are.
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Personally insulting your host is an awfully idiotic and classless thing to do, especially when you consider that Geraldo was threatening a form of assault against her.
Bryan on January 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Zetterson, well, it worked for geraldo. That’s all I’m saying. booo yaaaaaaa
froghat on January 24, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Troll. Drops crap in a lot of threads.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Bryan, she should of sued him. Imagine all the free advertising for Hot Air.
froghat on January 24, 2008 at 5:27 PM
You’re an inch away from the ban hammer, bud. You brought up Geraldo to bash Michelle. Geraldo has NOTHING to do with this clip or this post. Knock it off immediately or you’re gone.
Bryan on January 24, 2008 at 5:28 PM
He sure is. Time for the hosts to cue up that George Thoroughgood song … B-B-Banned to the Bone, or something like that …
thirteen28 on January 24, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Can we get this child banned?
I weep for our future…
omnipotent on January 24, 2008 at 5:29 PM
So McCain doesn’t want to tell a US soldier his mother is being deported. I can understand that.
How would he like to tell a US soldier that his mother was murdered by a criminal who was deported but walked right back over the border? Or killed by an illegal with 3 DUIs who couldn’t even be deported had the amnesty bill passed.
How would he like to tell that soldier, whose mother has been waiting several years to come here legally, that she is going to be passed in line by 20 million illegals?
BuzzCrutcher on January 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM
oh its that little mcLame kennedy shamnesty bill they tried to shove down our throats
Mojack420 on January 24, 2008 at 5:31 PM
It’s a good question. Is McCain saying that having a spouse or a son/daughter in the active military gives the relative a free pass to disregard U.S. law? If the wife or the mom of a soldier robs a bank, or embezzles thousands of dollars from her employer, or kills a car full of kids while driving drunk, is McCain unwilling to call that soldier and tell him that his mom or wife is going to jail? If not, why not? If McCain is only going to be willing to enforce certain laws against certain people, I think the American people have a right to know that.
AZCoyote on January 24, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Thanks, Michelle. We can never be reminded too many times of McCain’s love of shamnesty–especially given John’s Clintonian attempts to rewrite history on that issue. I will never understand how people who are otherwise strong on national security can fail to grasp that border security is a component of our national defense. But Maverick should be ashamed of himself for exploiting this one isolated case of a dead soldier’s spouse in order to push his open borders agenda.
ReubenJCogburn on January 24, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Is Ron Paul included in the debate tonight?
froghat on January 24, 2008 at 5:32 PM
First look at Rmoney/Malkin
sleepy-beans on January 24, 2008 at 5:33 PM
And that has nothing to do with the post either. Bye.
Bryan on January 24, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I don’t care if froghat gets banned or not but I know damn well that his posts are not at all worth reading from here on out. Seriously, what a loser. This post had nothing to do with that and he brought it up on purpose in an attempt to give a drive by shot at Michelle. To what effect, I have no idea. I guess just to annoy the vast vast majority here who respect a person like Michelle who puts herself and her ideas out there for all to see. Far different from an anonymous froghat who has nothing better to do other then to anonymously smear someone far more respectable them him/herself. Whatever. Frohat is not worth another typed word of my time.
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Thank you. Place smells better already.
a capella on January 24, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Thank you.
thirteen28 on January 24, 2008 at 5:36 PM
I couldn’t agree more. The way he answers the issue of immigration is a clever emotional ploy, but it is so shallow and doesn’t at all stand up to scrutiny. Everything you mention address that plus the economic effects, etc.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 5:36 PM
A real classy guy, that McCain. You see, he cares so much about the troops that he’ll use one’s tragic death as a political tool to further his blatant disdain for America’s sovereignty. The irony, that this soldier he speaks so callously of, lost his life defending, among other things, that very sovereignty, is obviously lost on him.
Grayson on January 24, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Is froghat included in the debate tonight? NOT!
Buttercup on January 24, 2008 at 5:38 PM
That is an excellent point Grayson. That deserves and needs to be shouted from the mountaintops.
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Bryan, merci beaucoup!
How’dya like them apples, frogBoy?
omnipotent on January 24, 2008 at 5:42 PM
I like respect Neil showed Michelle, he is a class act.
Wade on January 24, 2008 at 5:42 PM
First, Michelle is a Hawt TV persona.
Okay… got that out of the way.
Second, is that Michelle is right, which is even better.
Lawrence on January 24, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I’d love to see a “new media” debate sponsored by Pajamas Media and moderated by Michelle, Charles Krauthammer and Victor Hanson Davis.
Make it so, number one!
omnipotent on January 24, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Mitt Romney = John Kerry carrying Bill Clinton’s Dictionary.
Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Thanks! The Banhammer makes all the difference between a good blog and an unreadable one. Sometimes I think you guys are a little stingy with it.
Hollowpoint on January 24, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Just make it a point to ask every young white person, are you prepared to adopt an illegal? Because it is you, that will be paying, and paying, and paying for them forever with money from YOUR paycheck long after I am dead and gone. New car, nope, Julio needs a new liver and guess who is going to pay for it, and he gets his before your Mom that worked and paid taxes every day of her life…
I think some Rep with balls should submit a bill that those that vote for amnesty get to pay for amnesty.
Oops, did I say that out loud?
rgranger on January 24, 2008 at 5:46 PM
And yet every time someone involved in a serious crime happens to be an illegal immigrant, it’s a red meat story on this site. Either statistically insignificant cases do count – whether good or bad – or they don’t. You can’t have it both ways. There are plenty of reasons to enforce immigration laws, but, unless you can show that illegal immigrants have more per capita violent crime than citizens, violent crime isn’t one of them.
calbear on January 24, 2008 at 5:47 PM
He might not be the candidate that conservatives can trust but it’s 90% probability that he’s the candidate that Republicans put on the ticket.
Again, maybe some good will come out of this that MM and the other ‘outraged’ pundits (who happen to have been wrong this entire election season) will start clamoring for an end to the two party system. The R party hasn’t been ‘conservative’ since Newt
leftwas forced out. If you are looking for a conservative with an R in front of his name, you aren’t going to find one.I know MM hopes that McCain doesn’t win Florida and then that somehow ‘derails’ his candidacy. . . but it’s not going to happen. The only way McCain loses now is if he has a ‘macaca’ moment. Nothing that the conservative blowhards say now will matter.
This race is mostly over by now. McCain has run the most brilliant campaign in history to secure the nomination. The only thing that surprises me is how the ‘expert’ pundits are so ’shocked and surprised’ by what and how this happened.
Come on, there’s got to be some group to blame something on. . . it can’t possibly be that there are people who like McCain over the other RINOs could it?
Make as much noise as you can MM, Coulter, Rush, et. al. . . it isn’t going to make any difference because McCain is in the driver’s seat now. . . and he’s smart enough not to wreck.
ThackerAgency on January 24, 2008 at 5:47 PM
I only wish McCain would’ve gotten hammered harder on shamnesty and other non-conservative aspects of his record before he reemerged as frontrunner. I’m not sure that would’ve been enough to help teh Fred, but still- it’s hard to believe that we’re facing a McCain / Romney matchup.
As usual, nice job Michelle.
Hollowpoint on January 24, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Looks to be about 50/50 to me at the moment. And just to clarify, Republicans won’t be puttin him on the ticket. If not for the votes of independents and democrats McCain could never hope to win the Republican primary.
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Look MM, you know I love you. . . but you really are going to need to figure out what you are going to do when McCain wins this nomination. Are you going to support him, or are you going to support a third party candidate?
I hope people learn how this process works this year. I fear that they will just stick to the ‘I can’t believe American’s are so stupid’ schtick that has worked to generate so many loyal viewers to this point. That’s the problem with democracy. . . what ONE person thinks doesn’t really matter.
ThackerAgency on January 24, 2008 at 5:50 PM
You’d better go check out some stats, like the number of BP agents who have been killed in the line of duty over the past few years or the number of illegals in US prisons or the number of hospitals that are buckling under the strains that serving non-paying illegals places on them. None of those stats are insignificant. So do you homework before snarking.
Bryan on January 24, 2008 at 5:51 PM
+1
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 5:51 PM
And I haven’t been wrong about 1 thing yet. Not one. Every single thing I’ve predicted has happened.
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 5:51 PM
It’s gotta be something doesn’t it Zetterson? It can’t be that the news media has rendered the nation clueless with its inept reporting of how this process works can it? You see it as ‘50/50′ but if McCain wins Florida it is OVER. If Mitt wins, he’ll still have to struggle to get the nomination. ruDy won’t win.
SUCK. IT. UP. and GET. OVER. YOURSELVES.
ThackerAgency on January 24, 2008 at 5:53 PM
calbear, for starters how about this one:
In LA (the 2nd largest city in the US), 95% of all outstanding warrants for homocide target illegal aliens.
Would you consider that noteworthy?
And the argument against illegal immigration isn’t just that illegals commit a higher percentage of crimes then legal citizens (though they do). Its that the difference between an illegal committing a crime and a legal committing a crime is that one of the two was 100% preventable.
Thats the point.
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 5:56 PM
I’m confused. Are you contesting my point? Is that what we call a bait and switch? I think it was.
Fact: John McCain cannot win if not for the votes of Democrats and Independents (in the Republican primary).
And, for the record, I disagree with your premise. Whatever candidate doesn’t win FLA will be severely wounded in my estimation. It won’t eliminate either of them completely but it will greatly reduce either one of their chances of winning.
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 6:00 PM
hammer pwnd
fourstringfuror on January 24, 2008 at 6:02 PM
When McVain can actually win the majority of Republicans in a state, then I’ll start listening. Until then, it’s just wishful thinking on your part.
thirteen28 on January 24, 2008 at 6:02 PM
haha. I disagree, but that’s pretty good. Credit where credit is due.
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Sentinel poll January 24, 2008, Romney 30%, McVano 26%
MB4 on January 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM
You’re the one who uses anecdotal evidence to promote your cause and rarely backs it up with statistics. Every time I see one of those stories, I hear about the tragedies, but see nothing about whether illegal immigrants make such tragedies more or less common per capita. You may win unthinking bleeding hearts with anecdotal evidence, but you won’t win everyone. So I’ll do my homework for what I advocate for, but don’t expect readers to do yours.
calbear on January 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM
First, the numerous anecdotes amnesty opponents cite far outweigh the single anecdote McCain cites. We’re stuck with anecdotes because the politically-correct authorities won’t compile statistics on the crime committed by illegals.
Second, I don’t want any violent crime from illegal aliens. If one out of 100 is a violent criminal, that alone outweighs any benefits the other 99 might bring.
BuzzCrutcher on January 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM
First significant good news today – thanks for sharing Sp.
Entelechy on January 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM
I would consider that a much-debunked “statistic.” Research it for a few seconds and you’ll see what I mean.
calbear on January 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Insulting the host, eh? Give my best to froghat.
fourstringfuror on January 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Why would anyone prefer McLame over Romney?
Igor R. on January 24, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Prove it. I read that in Pat Buchanan’s book. Where did you read its debunking? Rather then sending me on a wild goose chase why don’t you help me out a little and point me in the right direction. A link perhaps? Something? A clue as to where I can find its debunking?
And what about my overall point that the difference between an illegal committing a crime and a legal committing a crime is that one of the two was 100% preventable? You failed to address that unsurprisingly.
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM
HERE is a good little blog article…I could go on and on about why McCain over Romney, but that said it all.
JetBoy on January 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM
You may wish to take a look at this site.
http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/lasik/
Also just what kind of “per capita” are you going by? Apparently not the legal “per capita”, which makes you comment extraneous.
MB4 on January 24, 2008 at 6:14 PM
.
You mean to say this says it all?
News2Use on January 24, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Illegal aliens comprise an estimated 10% of Arizona’s population, but account for more than 20% of Arizona’s state prison population (note that these are state prisoners — they’re not being held for federal immigration violations, they’re in prison for committing state crimes, e.g., rape, murder, etc.). Also, Arizona leads the nation in identity theft. Granted it’s not a violent crime, but it’s a crime that can essentially ruin the life of the victim, and the perpetrators are rarely apprehended.
It’s no accident that Arizona recently passed one of the toughest anti-illegal immigration laws in the country. We are on the front lines of this battle, and we are fed up with the federal government’s inaction. McCain better hope he wins the presidency, because I don’t know if there are enough Democrats in Arizona to vote him back into his Senate office when he next comes up for re-election here.
AZCoyote on January 24, 2008 at 6:18 PM
That was the least logical article on politics I’ve read in a long time.
McCain realizes NOTHING. He reluctantly agreed to the fence, and his famous “first”, as in “we must secure the border first” has been noted here and elsewhere as “ok, I’ll build the fence or pretend to do so and then comes AMNESTY my friends, just bend over and take it because I’m Maverick.”
You don’t know what Romney will do? I don’t know exactly either. You DO know what Mav will do, that’s for sure. Tancredo, DeMint, and Arpaio endorsed Romney. To me that’s a hell of a lot better than the “I won’t deport the soldier’s mother, you can do it” Amnesty-obsessed SOB.
Igor R. on January 24, 2008 at 6:19 PM
heh. Doesn’t that just say it all…
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 6:21 PM
I don’t think either conservatives or liberals running for office realize how fed up all voters are over this issue. The candidates have managed to dodge the issue and will continue to do so if someone like Sessions doesn’t keep it on the burner. We can only hope the Dems will start asking why their party hasn’t addressed the 800 lb. gorilla in the room. Last I checked, their tax money is being spent on services for illegals as well.
MM – thank you once again. You make it look so easy to have the facts and stats ready to deliver them effortlessly.
24K lady on January 24, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Porque Juan hara un gran Presidente de América del Norte!
VinyFoxy on January 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM
I feel angry when I think of the negatives about aliens driving around our country (without insurance, licence). It is up to us to decide who lives here. McCain does not get that. Any crime, and there are many, that an alien commits is too many regardless of capita.
I guess that makes two of us.
madvision on January 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Way to be selective…:-)
No…there’s this about Romney, to which I wholeheartedly agree:
And then there’s this:
Bottom line is: McCain can win. He can beat Hillary, or Obama. No one else left in the GOP field could, IMHO.
JetBoy on January 24, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Bingo! No one, much less Romney, knows what Romney will do. And yes…I DO know what Maverick will do, that’s the point. I’d much rather vote for someone I know, than for someone I can’t possibly know.
JetBoy on January 24, 2008 at 6:26 PM
The liberals know that if they manage to pass ANY version of Amnesty they are in power forever. They don’t care what people think. Hillary just wasn’t the typically excellent lier on the topic of licenses for illegals in that one debate and gave Obama a chance to rise. But did you see how they competed in Nevada about who will be nicer to the illegals?
While I can understand why the liberals want this crap, I have no idea what drives McInsane, I just want him off the political stage.
Igor R. on January 24, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Juan hara un gran Presidente de Aztlan!
Igor R. on January 24, 2008 at 6:27 PM
30-40% of LA County jail inmates are illegal aliens. Scores of California hospitals have closed and school districts are failing. Every statistic in California has been skewed dramatically because of an extra 10 million or so people.
I’d love for you to take a walk through Macarthur Park in Downtown LA one day. The park and surrounding community are bursting at the seams with drugs and crime. The controlling gangs in the area are MS13 and ultimately the Mexican Mafia. Neither of these illustrious organizations discriminates against illegals.
Maybe not enough illegals are violent offenders to warrant any sanction by you. But I can’t account for your sanity.
And the Los Angeles County sheriff, Lee Baca, has had to close facilities and release nonviolent offenders from jail early to close a two-year, $170 million budget gap. A large part of that deficit, the sheriff said, comes from housing illegal immigrants who make up a quarter of the county’s inmate population.
The Race Card on January 24, 2008 at 6:28 PM
But if you know that what he will do is unacceptable and the other guy has been endorsed by the top Amnesty fighters thus making it politically VERY difficult for him to break his promise, you would still vote for the guy who wants to do the unacceptable? I guess it must be acceptable to you, that’s the difference.
Igor R. on January 24, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Michelle is The voice-of-reason on this issue. Those of you complaining about crime reports because they happen to involve illegal invaders are sheep waiting to be slaughtered.
We will be swallowed whole by illegal immigration before radical Islam ever takes root. And the underground infrastructure used and created by illegals is the very means by which we will import Islamic terrorists.
How can you possibly have your head in the sand and so far up your butt at the same time?
The Race Card on January 24, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Señor McCain es un asno arrogante.
Entelechy on January 24, 2008 at 6:31 PM
CalBear has a point with trying to play it down the middle. McCain is sensationalizing a case that shouldn’t decide how we handle policy that affects millions. He should be called on that. Likewise I wish the murders in Newark last summer weren’t used to rally opinions on illegals. I’ve been in and out of Newark on a regular basis for 30 years and know that it has always been a very rough place. A lot of people have been attacked or killed because of too-lenient sentencing. Criminals need to be tracked and jailed regardless of immigration status.
dedalus on January 24, 2008 at 6:32 PM
The point is that every murder or rape by an illegal is a lot more preventable than a crime committed by a legal resident.
Igor R. on January 24, 2008 at 6:34 PM
I don’t even know Spanish, but…
Señor McCain es un charlatan loco.
Igor R. on January 24, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Likely enough they do. They just aren’t afraid of it enough yet to stop pandering to all those potential new voters and their underhanded support groups. They think they can either finesse or dodge the issue well enough with empty promises of enforcement and fences.
Mike H on January 24, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Apparently nobody on this thread does. But I agree with what I think some are trying to say.
The Race Card on January 24, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Yes, in any language “John McCain” means “Don’t vote for me, I’m a loser.”
Igor R. on January 24, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Igor, dedalus’ response was to my quote. If you go up and read my quote you will notice he “forgot” to put the second half of my quote in. As a result he didn’t respond to the obvious point I was trying to make (the same point you just made).
Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 6:51 PM
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