Open thread: The “And then there were four” debate; Update: New Mitt ad mocks McCain
posted at 7:30 pm on January 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on MSNBC. “And then there were two and a half” would be more accurate. Giuliani’s still in the mix but he’s pulling only 11% on InTrade; Huckabee barely rates. If trends hold it’s Mitt versus McCain for all most of the marbles on Super Tuesday with Rudy and Huck hoping and praying (respectively) for miracles. McCain can expect flak from Romney on immigration and the economy and Rudy on that catastrophe fund he keeps bringing up to try to remind people of 9/11. Will Huck rally to Maverick’s side or let the other two take him apart? Look out for pandering praise for ol’ Fred too to try to win over any ‘Heads still on the fence. Mitt’s web team already has a little bait on the hook. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him attack MSNBC for laughing at Fred’s concession speech last weekend if the opportunity presents itself.
As for what McCain might have waiting for Romney, how about some straight talk about his mad economic skillz?
Video highlights later/during; as always, sound off below. While you wait, shed a tear for former Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich as he inadvertently joins the vast right-wing conspiracy. (Ten years and going strong!) This is amusing too, from one of the lefty blogosphere’s leading lights. Follow the comments, as always.
Update: That didn’t take long.
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Rudy – good answer on nuclear power.
Ugh I want to punch Huck, McCain, and Paul in the face soo bad.
CABE on January 24, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Very good answer by Rudy, IMO.
henzou on January 24, 2008 at 10:00 PM
I’m digging Rudy tonight. He’s like a real candidate tonight :)
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Cap and Trade!?!11! Barf, McCain. Barf.
sweetlipsbutterhoney on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
The fact is….Russert’s questions SUCK!! Global warming is a hoax. Well “Tim”, if that is your real name—I disagree with your assumption that a)global climate change is threatening anyone’s coastline. b)Jerk-off, green-house gases or what normal people call carbon is plant food and accounts for less than one-tenth of one-percent of the atmosphere….russert YOU SUCK!
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
McCain is sounding more and more like Gore.
fourstringfuror on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Yeah, Rudy is sounding pretty good. I think he’s scoring points.
AUINSC on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
McCain drops Lieberman’s name. It looks like that is all McShallow can do once he gets away from military issues.
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Somebody get Huck a wheelchair, he think he is FDR. Look for the Huck WPA coming to a highway near you.
EJDolbow on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
McCain just admitted he’s for global wealth redistribution & socialism.
p0s3r on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Awright! Nuke power takes over the debate!!!
fiatboomer on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Mitt’s answer to the assault weapons ban was pretty confusing. Personally, I’ve never been able to decide on the issue, so I guess that matters less for me than others.
locke on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
I’m a bad person for laughing. But laugh I did.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Why are Republicans talking about the fraud that is global hysteria?
therightwinger on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Slublog on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
McCain is a pansy on Global Warming
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
John McCain…hey, how about carbon credits?
AUINSC on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
McCain is challenging Ron Paul for my least favorite candidate.
henzou on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
I’m going to leave my lights on tonight because of that question. …and i’m going to go rummage through my fridge for something to eat for a few minutes right now, with the door open.
ApartforHaShem on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Global warming is the biggest hoax of the last 50 years. Someday people will look back and laugh at us.
fourstringfuror on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
AAAAAAGH McCain just said one of my fav Democrats?
EEEEEEK truth hes really on the straight talks express tonight along with Global warming thats it dumbass show yer liberal true self like senator Palpatine at the senate LOLOLOL
here come the clone wars.
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Once you tell me you’re unbiased. I dare ya.
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
BTW, 100% chance Williams practices his spectacles-wielding in front of a mirror.
fiatboomer on January 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Late to the party, but McCain was definitely pwned by Ron Paul: some of my best friends are economists.
Over30 on January 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Didn’t we hear today that Global Warming now means fewer hurricanes? I would’ve thought that was a good thing.
ReubenJCogburn on January 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
I’m starting to think that Ron Paul’s crazy 50% may be worth the price of avoiding McCain in that office.
askheaves on January 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
McCain & the greenhouse gas shit & feeling better about ourselves for being GREEN just confirmed what I thought about him for a while now. And it ain’t good, brother.
Ugly on January 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Rudy is lisping
windansea on January 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Hollow –
Are you implying that McCain will be captured in a building and water tortured by a pissed off mother nature?
ApartforHaShem on January 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Yep- not including Paul, it was the dumbest answer of the night. Very FDResque. Give me a little of my tax money back? No! We’ll spend more money building a road I’ll never drive on instead!
Hollowpoint on January 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Precisely! But that is a problem of the Justice Dept. which can be remedied with the proper Executive.
Troy Rasmussen on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
How can a man with no upper lips “lisp”?
I am just curious
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Maybe, but you have to weigh the cost/benefit, and I think this is one of those things where the benefit of reassuring those 2nd voters who have a proven track record of taking down political opposition beats the cost of just confirming again what we already knew about him.
doubleplusundead on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Maybe it’s your speakers?
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
These candidates just let the democrat talking-points frame their debate..no backbone and no spine…all of the questions were assumed truths about various issues. Congratulations on not pushing the conservative agenda forward one inch.
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
My question to McCain would have been: Why are you such a douchebag? I’d like to hear him answer that.
CABE on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Of course I’m biased. And so are you.
Hollowpoint on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
@ askheaves on January 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Agreed. With Ron Paul at least you are voting for half a conservative.
muyoso on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Every New Orleans resident just bought a SUV.
locke on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
yep…thanks paultard, you may save Anerika yet
windansea on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Because the lame MSM insists upon asking questions about it. They’ve got to say something. I like the idea of a national project similar to the quest for the moon for energy independence. I don’t believe in human causes of climate change, but I can get behind energy independence.
TX Mom on January 24, 2008 at 10:05 PM
I like the fewer commercial breaks–I guess that’s a benefit of fewer companies wanting to waste money paying for ads on PMSNBC.
ReubenJCogburn on January 24, 2008 at 10:05 PM
I think Rudy has the best grasp of the issues along with Fred. the Domestic and Foreign. And knows how to communicate them.
what I really like is how he goes after the Dem/Lib premise in some questions and points it out.
jp on January 24, 2008 at 10:05 PM
BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
yer gonna owe me a new screen if I cant get the coke offin it after that one!!!!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 24, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Mitt and Rudy have done some tag teaming tonight. Interesting.
davenp35 on January 24, 2008 at 10:05 PM
I type during Rudy’s answers, but I’m hopeful he will continue in that vein. This is working exactly as it should. RP is crazy. Huck is a vile gibot. McCain is a one trick pony. This leaves Rudy and Mitt to battle on Supercalifradulisticexpiallidocous Tuesday.
I can live with either one.
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM
I was referring to Mitt’s non-answer response on the assault weapon ban.
Hollowpoint on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Haah! Why Johnboy? why?
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Just wondering, if you were an average FL voter would you be captivated by this debate?
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM
I don’t know if it’s really a true lisp, but his speech has always bothered me. Kinda like he’s wearing someone else’s false teeth or something.
IrishEi on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM
That’s the beauty of it. It evolves to whatever the current weather is… warmer winters? Gas emissions.. Katrina? Gas emissions causes stronger hurricanes.. two dead hurricane seasons? Blame it on gas emissions. It’s ridiculous. Anybody who has studied geology knows the world has done this for millions of years.. global cooling is on the way. Odds are the world will blame gas emissions.
henzou on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM
It is interesting that all these dam Republicans ever talk about are issues and the realistic solutions to those issues. Have they never seen a Democrat debate? My goodness, they’re missing out something awful on all those racial and gender name calling opportunities the dems love so. Not to mention they don’t have to be giving away all these solutions. The Dems never ever bring up any solutions. They must be secret.
Griz on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Yep. Mitt & Rudy made sure the North Vietnamese couldn’t catch them.
dedalus on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM
so far both Rudy and Mitt looking good
McCain and Huck are lame
windansea on January 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM
I think he did just try to do that. He just said to me that no new laws were needed and that it was an individual right not state. Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought that is what he was trying to say in between the lines to us.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Thanks, I just spit beer all over…the image of that just cracked me up.
jwp1964 on January 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
All I can say for Rudy right now is ( in the Forest Gump tradition) Run Rudy Run!
lsutiger on January 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Rudy’s “waitin in the weeds” strategy.
lol
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
GOOD FOR RUDY!!!
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Clearly you can not objectively be considered an objective analyist.
Hollowpoint on January 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
@ Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
He said to me that he would sign anything that came across his desk, but that HE doesnt really support it.
muyoso on January 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Bah. Rudy’s gonna finish behind Lyndon LaRouche on Feb. 5th.
fiatboomer on January 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
McCain’s mom hates McCain.
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 10:08 PM
McCain gets slammed by his Mom!!
lan astaslem on January 24, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Pretty much where I’m at.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 10:08 PM
90 year old moms are so nice sometimes.
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 10:08 PM
No, he gave the same kind of spin that Huckster gave on his support for a smoking ban. He’s against signing a ban until the ban reached his desk, then he’s in favor of it.
Hollowpoint on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
No, you cannot restore trust.
fourstringfuror on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
I am going to assassinate the next presidential candidate who uses the phrase “come together.”
Mark V. on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Haha…no, that’s if I disagree with Romney.
Or Hugh Hewitt.
And McCain is “proud of his record on judges?”
Blech.
Slublog on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
HE didnt get spanked enough by her when he was a kid thats fer sure!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
McCain’s mom hates anything that breathes…mostly Mormons.
CABE on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
jp on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
McCain’s Mom ‘08!!!!
I’m starting a draft.
askheaves on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
His reaction to that question…
doubleplusundead on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Ditto.
davenp35 on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
“radical Islamic extremists” – if he has enough descriptors, does that make sure everyone knows that he doesn’t think Islam is the problem.
But at least all the Republicans know who the enemy is.
TX Mom on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Gawd, beat on the retired Rummy….
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
McMainly Me
Ugly on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Good, then I can take all your comments with a grain of salt.
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I can’t quote or dispute it further on his quote. I only heard it live, but I’ll have to check it after the debate for further discussion.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
REPUBLICANS ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE YOU DUMBASS!!!!!!!!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
i wonder what Rummy thinks of McCain.
locke on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Mitt pwnd Billary. Awesome.
fourstringfuror on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
The Clenis in the White House with nothing to do.
HAHAHA
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Bill in the White House with nothing to do. AWESOME!!
Troy Rasmussen on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
whoa did Mcster just lie when he said he “won a majority of the REPUBLICAN vote” in NH and SC??
windansea on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Well, WE know it’s all crap, and that expecting the earth’s climate to be the same every stinking year is ridiculous. I just wish for once the people pushing the
greenRED agenda would actually be consistent.ReubenJCogburn on January 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Well obviously, hey, don’t they think Jesus and Satan are brothers?
/Huck
doubleplusundead on January 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I’d like them to re-enact the warehouse shootout scene at the end of Resevoir Dogs.
Figuratively and not literally, of course.
Hollowpoint on January 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Russert took offense to the Bill Clinton statement..
henzou on January 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
My point is that was more than before. He is giving ground toward your concerns with what he is saying. Isn’t that an improvement (ie heard your concerns)?
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Wow. Mitt is reaming Billary.
fourstringfuror on January 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
He sure as hell lied when he called himself a conservative.
ReubenJCogburn on January 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
“What does that mean?”
Jeez, Russert…take a joke, dude.
Slublog on January 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Conservative republicans care about global warming? How out of touch can McCain possibly be?
therightwinger on January 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Mitt, how about small gov’t conservatives…
doubleplusundead on January 24, 2008 at 10:12 PM
GO WILLARD GO!!!!
countywolf on January 24, 2008 at 10:12 PM
She is Washington to the core.
Deety on January 24, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Mitt SHOOTS and SCORES!!!
LordMaximus on January 24, 2008 at 10:12 PM
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