Open thread: The “And then there were four” debate; Update: New Mitt ad mocks McCain
posted at 7:30 pm on January 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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9 p.m. ET on MSNBC. “And then there were two and a half” would be more accurate. Giuliani’s still in the mix but he’s pulling only 11% on InTrade; Huckabee barely rates. If trends hold it’s Mitt versus McCain for all most of the marbles on Super Tuesday with Rudy and Huck hoping and praying (respectively) for miracles. McCain can expect flak from Romney on immigration and the economy and Rudy on that catastrophe fund he keeps bringing up to try to remind people of 9/11. Will Huck rally to Maverick’s side or let the other two take him apart? Look out for pandering praise for ol’ Fred too to try to win over any ‘Heads still on the fence. Mitt’s web team already has a little bait on the hook. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him attack MSNBC for laughing at Fred’s concession speech last weekend if the opportunity presents itself.
As for what McCain might have waiting for Romney, how about some straight talk about his mad economic skillz?
Video highlights later/during; as always, sound off below. While you wait, shed a tear for former Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich as he inadvertently joins the vast right-wing conspiracy. (Ten years and going strong!) This is amusing too, from one of the lefty blogosphere’s leading lights. Follow the comments, as always.
Update: That didn’t take long.
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No I want him to stop talking like a Democrat
William Amos on January 24, 2008 at 9:28 PM
That’s not what he said. He said he will not run on the current record of the administration, he would run on his own record.
Troy Rasmussen on January 24, 2008 at 9:28 PM
so who got this guys name and is googling to see what connections to the DNC he has?
jp on January 24, 2008 at 9:29 PM
I understand that you’re not a Romney supporter but let’s face it - things do need to change in Washington - at least with spending.
Slublog on January 24, 2008 at 9:29 PM
For starters, apacalyps, my post was just a joke… Secondly, after skimming a few of your posts, you’ve clearly got a few screws loose. You strike me as someone who’s bug eyed at their monitor and salivating… Does anyone remember “soothsayer”? Kind of reminds me of him in a way.
At any rate, I clicked your link and while I may be on the same side as you with the creation thing, I caution you against hitching your wagon to Kent Hovind. That dude is whacked, and using him as your jump off is the quickest way to get laughed out of the room.
I wouldn’t say Answers in Genesis is necessarily always the best either, but they are infinitely better than Hovind. There are a number of other sites you would be better off paying attention to instead of Hovind, but if you want some good daily reading, check out:
http://creationsafaris.com/crev200801.htm
RightWinged on January 24, 2008 at 9:29 PM
I’m guessing he’s lamenting the cornball nature of the leftie borne “change” meme and Mitt’s adoption of it.
doubleplusundead on January 24, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Dude, McCain just squashed that Dem plant.
fiatboomer on January 24, 2008 at 9:30 PM
And Troy ’splains it for you:
That’s not what he said. He said he will not run on the current record of the administration, he would run on his own record.
That’s a Democrat, how? HA. Clinton is running on her husbands record, not hers. Obama is running not on his record, but hope.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Yeah Amos, relax. You are completely distorting what he said.
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Mitts “Change” McCain’s “Straight Talk” and Rudy’s “911″ are all grating
William Amos on January 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM
McCain, “You’re wrong.” Good line.
mikeyboss on January 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Jesus christ…listen to these questions.
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM
it took 30 minutes into the debate -
McCain: “It’s all Rumsfeld’s faults!!!!”
LordMaximus on January 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM
This is part of the anti-McCain movement. The line about not being able to change Washington by just switching chairs is directly designed to undermine McCain’s pathetic claim as the leading fiscal con and best candidate for fiscal cons.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 9:31 PM
I hate MSNBC. Why do they go along with these questions?
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:32 PM
+1
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I think MSNBC is trying to be provocative.
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Yeah, points for him for not taking any crap.
ReubenJCogburn on January 24, 2008 at 9:32 PM
True enough, but the refrain is the same, which goes back to the plasticity…
Vizzini on January 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
I hope you are right b. Maybe I am just sensitive
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Hey, leave apacalypse alone - he/she is doing a great job for Mitt.
Entelechy on January 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Mitt has been damn strong tonight..
henzou on January 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Mitt - good stuff.
AUINSC on January 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
General Hillary Clinton!! Ha! Good one!
Troy Rasmussen on January 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Nice Mitt. Thank you.
IrishEi on January 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
For those who may have missed it earlier
Army’s retention rate stays healthy
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM
“General Hillary Clinton”…lol
Ugly on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Woooo!!! Go Mitt!
askheaves on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Oh my god..does anyone think these aren’t Moveon.org questions…?
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
General Hillary Clinton!
Awesome. Best quote of the night so far.
Mitt 2
HuckaBigot 0
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Amen
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
GREAT JOB MITT!!!
LordMaximus on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Tim Russert - Proxy Democrat Nominee.
AUINSC on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Thanks for tipping your hat to the servicemen, Mitt.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Die Rummy, DIE!!!
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Good for Mitt, giving credit to the military and GEN Petraeus for the surge instead of Hillary and the Surrendercrats.
ReubenJCogburn on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Good thing McCain’s hindsight is both 20/20 and rose colored.
p0s3r on January 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM
YESSS! Called Hillary on her “It’s all about MEEEE!” B.S.!
Deety on January 24, 2008 at 9:35 PM
McCain’s right
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:35 PM
I wish McCain would bring up the terrorist connections Saddam had and were part of the War Resolution. that always gets lost in this.
jp on January 24, 2008 at 9:35 PM
RUMSFEEEEEEEELD!!!!
LordMaximus on January 24, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Thank you Rudy…
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Awesome Rudy!! Hammer Hillary on the polls!!
Troy Rasmussen on January 24, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Was WWII worth it? Was the Civil War worth it?
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Is it me or is McCain whistling his S’s more than usual? He’s lost my vote. I don’t like a whistler.
henzou on January 24, 2008 at 9:35 PM
HA! Good on Rudy pointing out Hillary’s spinelessness.
ReubenJCogburn on January 24, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Heh. NICE Rudy!
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Oh Lord… here comes Paul
Ugly on January 24, 2008 at 9:36 PM
I don’t want to give McCain credit for anything. BUT he was right about how the Iraq war should have been fought.
csdeven on January 24, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Paul lying again.
jp on January 24, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Haha. Giuliani did a nice job questioning the premises of the question.
Slublog on January 24, 2008 at 9:36 PM
LOL! another issues decision
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:36 PM
He needs to be, I’m hoping immigration comes up and he uses that point to smack down McCain. I’m still not sure what I’ll do, but I want to see this ruined for McCain. No McCain, you can’t have the nomination, Not Yours!
doubleplusundead on January 24, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Pualnuts or dems cheering?
Micheal on January 24, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Al Qaeda WAS there and there were WMD’s it’s sad that Ron Paul believes everything he reads on the Kos and Dem Underground site…
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Yeah, I was shocked to learn that Paul is against the war (or America for that matter).
AUINSC on January 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM
WMD’s = Easter Eggs. nice Huck, nice.
jp on January 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM
And of course Ron Paul answers in the negative.
Slublog on January 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Why can’t they have conservative moderators at a Republican debate instead of this jerk Russert and the other Republican haters?
countywolf on January 24, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I still don’t know where 2 Easter eggs are we planted last year.
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Mitt looks good tonight. What a sh*tty question from Mr. Potato head.
jewells45 on January 24, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I hope my sarcasm was obvious. ;)
henzou on January 24, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Doubleplusundead, I bet a premium six-pack that they don’t bring up illegal immigration…one caveat…the question will begin like this…
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Mitt has hit a home run every time he’s responded to a question.
MrSteve on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Of course, but if you think this is bad, just wait till general.
doubleplusundead on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I think Grenada, Desert Storm, etc, spoiled us. Iraq is like what happens in most wars.
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I hope the next segment has some fireworks.
p0s3r on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I hope more of them challenge the premises of the questions–put these clowns on the defensive when they try to slant everything for the Democrats.
ReubenJCogburn on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
What did they say?!
fourstringfuror on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
One of the few times I like what Mitt has said about the WOT
William Amos on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
i wonder if anyone asks ron paul a question.
locke on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
bnelson, then you must not have celebrated easter
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Next segment the candidates ask each other questions. Should be interesting.
countywolf on January 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM
LOL at Williams reminding the Paulnuts to STFU during the questioning.
MrSteve on January 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Too bad Williams and Russerts’ mics weren’t on about 5 seconds longer.
fiatboomer on January 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Mitt Romney is on FIRE tonight.
therightwinger on January 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM
STOP CLAPPING YOU IDIOTS!!
People watching may pay more attention
LordMaximus on January 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM
I hate to say it, but Mitt is looking more palatable every time he gets into one of these. I was dead against him at the start, upset with NRO for endorsing him… but Rudy is my only (and preferred) alternative, and I’m losing faith in him quickly.
askheaves on January 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM
What was the off-camera chatter?
fourstringfuror on January 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM
SEA SALT It IS him!!
Deety on January 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Definitely Paulnuts. It was just a short burst of “woots.” Compare that to the first sustained applause of the evening: when Mitt gave credit to our troops and Gen. Petraus–not Generalissima Clintonista.
IrishEi on January 24, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Everything comes back to church or the Bible for Huck, everything.
Probably, but we’ll see.
doubleplusundead on January 24, 2008 at 9:41 PM
I want Fred to appear on teh stage, grab Ron Paul by the scruff of the neck and throw him out with the words “Get off this stage you damn democratic stooge”
William Amos on January 24, 2008 at 9:41 PM
(By at the start, I mean start of the campaigning season last year)
askheaves on January 24, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Fine for you to think that, but recall this is the same Russert that the Clinton camp accused of sandbagging Hillary by…well, just asking hard questions. He’s no Chris Matthews.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Romney doing great so far.
I hope McCain and Huck have a Britney Spears/Madonna moment.
CABE on January 24, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Full-contact debateporn
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Why didn’t MSNBC tell the DEmocratic audience to stop clapping or even booing? hmmmm
LordMaximus on January 24, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Quorum? Who didn’t show?
Deety on January 24, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Easter eggs has nothing to do with Christianity, and Huck knows that. It is a pagan ritual most of us partake in. So your wrong there, sorry.
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:43 PM
lol. I didn’t need the visual, but I laughed.
Spirit of 1776 on January 24, 2008 at 9:43 PM
I caught this screenshot just before the break. lol
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?0cc1662dd2.jpg
Ugly on January 24, 2008 at 9:43 PM
but his premise for every question is the same,
you rotten republican motha suckas…
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:43 PM
you are certifiable…
simmer down Francis..
ColdBore76 on January 24, 2008 at 9:44 PM
That is a pretty long question there Mitt, sounds much more like a stump speech to me.
bnelson44 on January 24, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Disappointed in Mitt’s question.
C’mon Mitt! Ask McLame about shamnesty!!!
IrishEi on January 24, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Mitt has been saying it since last Spring.
EJDolbow on January 24, 2008 at 9:44 PM
I’m sure glad Rudy took the time to explain the inside joke..
henzou on January 24, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Why would Mitt ask Rudy that? I don’t get it. Ask McCain why he defines amnesty different than everyone else.
p0s3r on January 24, 2008 at 9:45 PM
William Amos on January 24, 2008 at 9:41 PM
lol
jerrytbg on January 24, 2008 at 9:45 PM
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