Come on, people! Four years ago, we were opposing Kerry for these same sort of flip-flops!

Entelechy on January 24, 2008 at 6:27 PM

:) Thanks and you too E. Keep that chin up. I can see the future and its… uh… not as bad is it could have been.

Have a good night ladies and gents. Good arguments today.

But more importantly, national numbers don’t matter…

Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 2:49 PM

They will next November…
You can point to any number of individuals who have beaten the odds, I can point to many others that were the odds.
It is different now, the margin between Dems and Repubs are very narrow, and I am saying McCain will pull in more middle of the roaders, fence sitters than Mitt…I don’t like McCain, but all of the numbers you want to ignore say that…and if you don’t think the candidates don’t read national polls, you are seriously mistaken. Why do you think Mitt had changed his position on so many issues in the past several months? Because he had some epiphany? Or because his polls told him to. Why has McCain switched on immigration, because he knows he was wrong? Or because the very obvious (the ones you want to ignore) told him he better. His mistake? He didn’t look at the national polls…

Fight for everything E. Thats how we got where we are in the first place.

Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Let’s – while it’s still not too late. Maybe it isn’t the darkest hour, yet. You’re a good one Zetterson :)

I’m a huge Stallone fan, but with all this McCain talk, I might just wait for the Rambo DVD instead of the opening night viewing I was planning.

Disappointing.

MCPO Airdale on January 24, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I wasn’t making any kind of political statement. I just thought the screencap was in poor taste.

This isn’t about McCain’s service in Vietnam, it’s about being the Republican party’s candidate for President of the United States!

Screw Rambo and Norris. Who does John McClane endorse?

infidel on January 24, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Better yet, who would JOHN WAYNE endorse?

Well at least Putin would be safe anyway as he is the President of Germany or so I’m told.

MB4 on January 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM

He-He-he

How come the block quote thing shows up in the preview but not the actual post? Not sure what I’m doing wrong.

Buttercup on January 24, 2008 at 4:00 PM

You did fine Buttercup. You just had a dark block. The lighter block would have showed you block quote more fully. Scroll up. You’ll see all of the dark blocks look the same.

What would happen if NOBODY voted in November? How would the Constitution handle something like that?

SimplyKimberly on January 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM

I know I wont since Fred! dropped out but unfortunately bunches of misguided so called Republicans will. I’m almost led to believe the Libs are registering as Reps just to vote for these clowns in the primaries. I see no other explanation for this madness.

That, and the illegal aliens, dead people, and farm animals she’ll have showing up at the polls.

Gregor on January 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Since when did they actually have to show up at the polls?

Your hopeful outlook is admireable Zetterson, and so much needed these days. It’s the squishiness of that 1/3rd which makes me very nervous this year. Many of this 1/3rd forget what their independence, and giving it up, means.

Entelechy on January 24, 2008 at 3:33 PM

E, the 1/3 is there. They are disheartened but there and ready to go for the right reasons. We saw the 1/3 step up to the plate during the whole Shamnesty debate. Do you remember how we felt that day? Do we remember what it felt like to see the 2/3’s defeated? Do remember who showed up on the side of the 2/3’s? Do we remember who showed up on the side of the 1/3? We should have received all the information we needed during that debate.

What I think is causing the deep ambivalence and reluctance of the 1/3 to show itself now, in this primary election season, is a bit like a battered wife sindrome. We have been betrayed lately by a few leaders who we thought were with us. We thought they were happy to be amongst the 1/3rd. They were not. We thought they loved our constitution and our founders who drafted it. They didn’t. Or at least it meant something different to them then it did to our founders, then it does to the 1/3rd. It hurts to have to stand up against one of your own. Its divisive. Now the 1/3rd is looking around and is careful not to elect one of the enemies claiming to be a fellow 1/3rd.

Right now we have the scariest senario. We have a leading candidate who we know is in line with the 2/3rds (McCain). Then his biggest competitor is claiming with every breath to be one of the 1/3 (Romney). But he has developed a reputation for maleability politically. Unpredictability is scary to us “battered wives.” We need to take a close look. A very close look and then as a fellow 1/3rder once said, “trust but verify.” This time around I think I’m leaning towards “trust but put a chain around their necks and don’t allow them to stray.”

Fight for everything E. Thats how we got where we are in the first place.

What would happen if NOBODY voted in November? How would the Constitution handle something like that?

SimplyKimberly on January 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM

I’d love to find out

So long as that 1/3 is still there they can never get what they want. A good leader and unifier will rise up in support of the vision of our founders. They always have before. They will again. Its certainly not too late.

Zetterson on January 24, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Your hopeful outlook is admireable Zetterson, and so much needed these days. It’s the squishiness of that 1/3rd which makes me very nervous this year. Many of this 1/3rd forget what their independence, and giving it up, means.

Can we start this entire process over with all new candidates? Please?

Gregor on January 24, 2008 at 3:02 PM

What would happen if NOBODY voted in November? How would the Constitution handle something like that?

Do it right NOW!

Deadline is Jan. 25th.

Vote Mitt!!

Deety on January 24, 2008 at 3:16 PM

I don’t get all the anti-Mormon fervor. (I’m not Mormon either). I’m guessing that most of it is coming from people who don’t actually know any Mormons.

AZCoyote on January 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I know quite a few Mormons and would have been married to one if not for her “religious requirements.”

Every Mormon I’ve ever met has been an extremely good person. I don’t think people have any problem with “Mormons.” The problem is when you start looking at the Mormon “religion” which is made up of some pretty bizarre beliefs.

So I think you’re right. Those who actually know Mormons do not have any problem with them, but those who start digging into what their religion is about start freaking out.