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Pollmania: Surge towards Romney in Florida?

posted at 6:15 pm on January 23, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Could be. Five new polls taken over roughly the same period to choose from, two of which show McCain by five and two of which — Rasmussen and Insider Advantage — show Mitt by five. IA sees Romney picking up four points in four days, though, and Rasmussen has him gaining seven points in eight days. Even Strategic Advantage, one of the polls that has McCain ahead, sees the spread narrowing from seven to five over the past week. Not enough? The fifth poll, from the Miami Herald, has them in a statistical tie, 25-23, with Rudy lagging all the way back at 15 percent in a tie with Huckabee. And yet a sixth poll, from PPP, puts Romney up by three over McCain and nine over Giuliani. The key issue? Immigration. It’s attack ad time, sucka.

Attack him on this, too. John McCain, tax-cutter? Maybe he does understand economics after all.


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Fredheads flocking to Mitt?

I think this is the trend that is sure to last.

azcop on January 23, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Makes sense…

Mitt may be totally authentic or convincing, but Rush is right, he is trying to come to our party, not redefine it like McCain.

tlclark on January 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM

It will be interesting to see the Post Fred exit polls in Florida.

EJDolbow on January 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM

why does McCain always say “radical Islamic extremism.” It’s like if they were just radical or just extreme they’d be no threat to anyone.

locke on January 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Could be. Five new polls taken over roughly the same period to choose from,….

All within the margin of error, so it is statistical noise. Sorry.

It’s attack ad time, sucka.

yep

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:19 PM

I’m pretty sure I saw his lips moving.

John, how will granting amnesty and full access to all goverment teats for illegals going to help legal citizens’ economic condition?

jukin on January 23, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Even if McCain is the eventual nominee, this will hopefully force him to tack right and spell out his stand on amnesty

BuzzCrutcher on January 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM

McCain will lose and become even more strident towards conservatives. He’s not a good loser, but he will be one soon.
Another U.S. Senator that won’t get to the White House, except to visit.

liberty on January 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM

McCain is still going to get 25 – 30 % in the remaining states. Good luck to Romney, but he’s probably wasting his money.

ThackerAgency on January 23, 2008 at 6:22 PM

I like the fact that McCain is advocating making the Bush tax cuts permanent when he voted AGAINST them twice. What changed his mind? Oh yeah, he’s running for President now.

joncoltonis on January 23, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Mitt’s getting Fred’s people including me in Florida. The MSM can’t help McCain enough to stop the base from voting against him.

orlandocajun on January 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM

I liked Fred!, but I think Mitt is the next reasonable choice out of the bunch.

Frozen Tex on January 23, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Another U.S. Senator that won’t get to the White House, except to visit.

liberty on January 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Hey, I don’t know, and I’m too lazy to look it up; who was the last President to have also served in the Senate?

Frozen Tex on January 23, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Slightly off topic…Rudy’s tax plan to be introduced as legislation in the House.

Gotta admit that the man has a plan. If Romney goes after McCain on taxes, expect Rudy to gain some of his support.

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 6:29 PM

I bet McCain switches parties if he doesn’t get the nomination, assuming he doesn’t retire pretty much immediately after.

As you say Allah, Romney should go on the attack, and in fact, I think if he threw some red meat and concessions to conservatives, he could really make a big move and have voting more people enthusiastically voting for him instead of voting for the lesser evil in a panic to keep McCain and Huck out.

doubleplusundead on January 23, 2008 at 6:30 PM

BuzzCrutcher on January 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Agreed, and his tack right will be far easier than Hillary’s.

Vizzini on January 23, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Romney rising in FL.

Suprising?

HYTEAndy on January 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM

McCain is still going to get 25 – 30 % in the remaining states. Good luck to Romney, but he’s probably wasting his money.

ThackerAgency on January 23, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Well, Romney is closing the gap in California pretty rapidly, so we can all hope that this is trend will be reflected nationally.

No one except Giuliani has been running ads in California (though I believe even Rudy’s were national buys), so it probably is somewhat representative of what we’ll see on Feb 5th. Likewise, California has diverse economic and cultural regions, ranging from urban, suburban, exurban, and rural. The one major difference is ethnic makeup, though I’m not sure how that would affect the Republican primary, if at all.

Nessuno on January 23, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Hey, I don’t know, and I’m too lazy to look it up; who was the last President to have also served in the Senate?

John F. Kennedy went straight from the Senate to the White House in 1960.

Lyndon Johnson went from the Senate to vice president in 1960, then president in 1963.

Nixon had served in the Senate previously, but his previous position was as Eisenhower’s vice president (1952-1960).

Kennedy was the last one who was elected president while a Senator, but Nixon was the last Senator/President.

sulla on January 23, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Even if McCain is the eventual nominee, this will hopefully force him to tack right and spell out his stand on amnesty

BuzzCrutcher on January 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Mitt & McCain will be appealing to the big Feb 5th states after FL. That would be NJ, CA, and NY. Think they will tack right or left?

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:34 PM

McCain is still going to get 25 – 30 % in the remaining states. Good luck to Romney, but he’s probably wasting his money.

ThackerAgency on January 23, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Mitt has a pretty good chance at getting enough delegates to be nominated if he wins FL and gets a surge out of it and people move away from Rudy (assuming they don’t move en-block to McCain)

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Excellent news if you’re not a McCain fan, and most of here are not McCain fans.

SouthernGent on January 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Slightly off topic…Rudy’s tax plan to be introduced as legislation in the House.

Gotta admit that the man has a plan. If Romney goes after McCain on taxes, expect Rudy to gain some of his support.

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Interesting, and good, assuming it isn’t immediately stopped by the Democrats, which it likely will, but honestly, I don’t think it’ll help him much.

Rudy’s now fighting a similar problem that bogged Fred down, now he’s having to fight a negative narrative “he’s been out of the picture too long, its ovah for him” type stuff.

doubleplusundead on January 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Slightly off topic…Rudy’s tax plan to be introduced as legislation in the House.

Gotta admit that the man has a plan. If Romney goes after McCain on taxes, expect Rudy to gain some of his support.

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Yeah he has a plan – Fred’s, pretty much.

Connie on January 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Anyone think the debate Thursday night is key to FL?

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Hey, I don’t know, and I’m too lazy to look it up; who was the last President to have also served in the Senate?

Sulla answered your question, but here is some trivia:

Totals:
PRESIDENCY:
14 Vice-Presidents, 10 Governors, 6 Cabinet Secretaries, 6 Senators, 4 Generals, 2 Congressmen.

VICE-PRESIDENCY:
17 Senators, 9 Governors, 9 Congressmen, 7 Cabinet Secretaries, 2 State-level officials, 1 General

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Beyond that, I think Rudy’s campaign was completely reliant on fear of the Hildebeest to maintain his lead and aura of inevitability, and it seemed like he had no plans to fight in the primary. When Obama started showing that he was going to be a serious challenge to the Hildebeest, it destroyed her aura of inevitability, and took Rudy’s campaign with it.

doubleplusundead on January 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Interesting, and good, assuming it isn’t immediately stopped by the Democrats, which it likely will, but honestly, I don’t think it’ll help him much.

I dunno. It’s kind of a strange tactic, to introduce legislation when you’re a candidate without a seat in the legislature. He can say, in an ad or debate, that McCain is squishy on taxes while Mitt is vague and has a mixed record. It’s kind of a big deal to say that your plan is already mature enough, and has enough support, to be a bill right now. It makes Rudy the top choice on taxes, which is no small thing. Coupled with his National Catastrophic Fund support, these are pretty bold moves that make him look good (to Florida voters) compared to the others. Too bad for him that Florida is so late in the game.

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Anyone think the debate Thursday night is key to FL?

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM

It’s on MSNBC….

I think those kos idiots and others were out of control when they called to boycott Fox, but really….Do we HAVE to have Republican debates on that terrible terrible network, MSNBC? Ugh.

So, I guess by way of insulting MSNBC I’m stating that I don’t think enough people will watch the debate to matter. But who knows.

Nessuno on January 23, 2008 at 6:43 PM

FredHeads flocking to Mitt?

It wouldn’t surprise me. The chatter I’m hearing from the FredHeads is almost unanimously against McCain or Huckabee. Many of them are not impressed by Mitt (I’m not either) but there are a lot more in favor of him than any other candidate. Many of them will still vote for Fred if he’s on the ballot, or write him in if he’s not.

My own primary vote has already been cast, so I have until November to consider my next move.

backwoods conservative on January 23, 2008 at 6:44 PM

So, I guess by way of insulting MSNBC I’m stating that I don’t think enough people will watch the debate to matter. But who knows.

Nessuno on January 23, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Would the NBC network in FL air it?

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Yeah he has a plan – Fred’s, pretty much.

Connie on January 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Not quite. But think about this: Fred was a Senator at one point, and didn’t get it together to actually, you know, bring the plan any further than a policy proposal on a website. This may be a stunt, but it’s a gutsy one.

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Even if McCain is the eventual nominee, this will hopefully force him to tack right and spell out his stand on amnesty

BuzzCrutcher on January 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Problem is that the Democrat nominee usually tacks left for the primaries and then shifts right toward the center for the general election.

Likewise, the Republican nominee typically tacks right during the primaries, then left towards the center for the general.

Hollowpoint on January 23, 2008 at 6:45 PM

It’s attack ad pander time, sucka.

pedestrian on January 23, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Obama started showing that he was going to be a serious challenge to the Hildebeest, it destroyed her aura of inevitability, and took Rudy’s campaign with it.

doubleplusundead on January 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Yeah, but she’s starting to look awfully inevitable again. How hard will McCain fight against his Senate buddies?

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 6:47 PM

sulla on January 23, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Thank you, and..

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Thank you!

Frozen Tex on January 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM

It is time for Mitt to put this one away.

AbaddonsReign on January 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM

It’s pander time.
pedestrian on January 23, 2008 at 6:46 PM

That seems to be Mitt’s MO. It works though. Just ask Herbert Hoover.

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:50 PM

I like the fact that McCain is advocating making the Bush tax cuts permanent when he voted AGAINST them twice. What changed his mind?

Knock McCain all you want on campaign finance reform and immigration, but his response to that – and it’s not a bad one – is that you can’t cut taxes while letting non-defense spending balloon like the Bush Admin did. Last I heard, McCain was proposing an across-the-board spending cut on the federal government a la Reagan if he’s elected. This frees up cheddar for tax cuts.

BillINDC on January 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM

http://www.johnmccain.com/Undecided/

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:56 PM

While I liked Fred positions, he could not communicate them to save his campaign.

I absolutely detest Huckabee, and will be voting for Mitt.

My hatred aside, I really think the Huckster would be the perfect choice as Mitt’s VP. It might solve the irrational evangelical problem.

I posted this on another thread, but no responses. I’d really like to know what you guys think about this.

Haldol on January 23, 2008 at 6:57 PM

I posted this on another thread, but no responses. I’d really like to know what you guys think about this.

Haldol on January 23, 2008 at 6:57 PM

I don’t think Mitt would do that because of what Huck said about the LDS. If he did, I would think less of Mitt for it.

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Yeah, but she’s starting to look awfully inevitable again. How hard will McCain fight against his Senate buddies?

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 6:47 PM

All true, but now you’ve got entrenched support bases, which limits Rudy’s movement, plus the revolt from Huck’s supporters, they aren’t going to go back to Rudy, even if he wins the nomination.

doubleplusundead on January 23, 2008 at 7:08 PM

Fred or Hunter should be Mitt’s VP. They’d give him some more cover on the right. And if we’re to believe it, its the job Fred! was after all along.

It’d be nice if Mitt did a first principles speech. Obama’s goin’ around claiming that Reagan hoodwinked blue collar types into voting against their own interests in supporting Reagan. Romney’s gonna have to make the case that conservatism is in every American’s interest. Fred was starting to do that, but it really hasn’t been done yet. He also has to have a vision for the future. Rebuilding our infrastructure, curtailing our need for foreign fuels. Getting us maglev trains, an air-transit system that works, and ole Glory on Mars.

Iblis on January 23, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Now that Duncan Hunter has endorsed Mike Huckabee…Expect Romney to start falling hard.

HaraldHardrada on January 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Romney’s lead in some of these polls may very well be “statistical noise” but that applies to McCain’s figures, as well.

Some predicted this shift to Romney if Thompson withdrew and it is beginning to happen.

Will McCain blame his loss on underhanded attack ads this time, too?

prairiemain on January 23, 2008 at 7:11 PM

And it’s not AMNESTY either!!!

DfDeportation on January 23, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Vote Huckabee/Hunter 2008′

Don’t let the amnesty loving republican elite decide who our candidate is.

HaraldHardrada on January 23, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Romney’s lead in some of these polls may very well be “statistical noise” but that applies to McCain’s figures, as well.

Yes, they are tied in these polls.

Some predicted this shift to Romney if Thompson withdrew and it is beginning to happen.

prairiemain on January 23, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Fred may not have had that many supporters left.

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Knock McCain all you want on campaign finance reform and immigration, but his response to that – and it’s not a bad one – is that you can’t cut taxes while letting non-defense spending balloon like the Bush Admin did. Last I heard, McCain was proposing an across-the-board spending cut on the federal government a la Reagan if he’s elected. This frees up cheddar for tax cuts.

BillINDC on January 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM

All valid points, except that’s not what he did, that’s what he’s saying he did now, but we know that’s not what he was saying then.

He dipped into the same class warfare demagoguery pool as the Democrats did, which either means, One, he was being a being a bitter spiteful dick and undermining Bush for his win in 2000, Two, he essentially believes the same socialist crap the Democrats do, or Three, he really did believe what he’s saying now, that we needed fiscal responsibility, but he holds such a low opinion of the electorate he lied and offered up demagoguery.

doubleplusundead on January 23, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Exactly who did Rudy introduce a bill through? I’m kinda curious.

And why hasn’t McCain introduced anything–he’s at least IN Congress! Same for the Dems… they can start putting their money where their mouth is.

On a side note, Romney’s plan for the Fed Government is pretty good, I’ve always thought. Plus his taxes idea is good too.

Vanceone on January 23, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Oh, and four, its McCain, who just loves to screw the conservative movement at every opportunity he comes across and found the tax cuts to be a perfect way to do that.

doubleplusundead on January 23, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Fred or Hunter should be Mitt’s VP. They’d give him some more cover on the right. And if we’re to believe it, its the job Fred! was after all along

.

I’m guessing it won’t be Hunter. He’s pretty anti-Romney based on what he perceives as Mitt’s unsavory connections with China.

It’d be nice if Mitt did a first principles speech.

It would have to be a second third principles speech. He couldn’t get away with it.

Obama’s goin’ around claiming that Reagan hoodwinked blue collar types into voting against their own interests in supporting Reagan. Romney’s gonna have to make the case that conservatism is in every American’s interest.

linky

He’s going to have trouble avoiding his past denunciations of Reaganism in the general election, especially if the opponent is Obama. Barack understands that the real appeal of Reagan was that he inspired Americans with a determination to win the Cold War and to revive the economy. Contrary to what many here think, Reagan is fondly remembered for those things, not his social conservatism.

Fred was starting to do that, but it really hasn’t been done yet. He also has to have a vision for the future. Rebuilding our infrastructure, curtailing our need for foreign fuels. Getting us maglev trains, an air-transit system that works, and ole Glory on Mars.

Re: Mars. We’re too late. The Yeti have beat us to it.

Iblis on January 23, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Who said Mitt doesnt pander ? I like how Mitt says “Im for the Second Admendment”

He doesnt say “Im for gun ownership” he states he is for the second admendment which covers more than guns.

Its a trick the dems do in conservative places as well

Mitts for the “2nd Admendment”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOzTpu8Suc

William Amos on January 23, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Voters like punctuality, Rudy

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 7:29 PM

I don’t see Mitt taking anyone in the race right now as his running mate. None of the candidates make good sense and those who might wouldn’t do it.

I think we’ll be looking at someone, perhaps, like Mark Sanford or just maybe Pat Toomey or someone like him.

Hmm…Michael Steele, perhaps? That would be incredible.

Jimmie on January 23, 2008 at 7:31 PM

I heard another poll has Romney 10,000 points in front of Giuliani, Paul 340,000 points in front of Huckabee, who is 1,000,000 points in front of Rudy.

In fact, Rudy polled so low, that every single voter offered to personally take a doodoo on Rudy’s statue of 9/11.

Please stop posting these stories, thanks

Vincenzo on January 23, 2008 at 7:32 PM

A little flavor of what is going on in FL:

John McCain’s campaign fired off a response to a Q report where Mitt Romney’s campaign accusing McCain of flipping on issues (See entry: Romney Smack McCain for Flip-Flop).

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers shot back with this:

“Mitt Romney has earned the Olympic gold medal for flip-flopping in this race. He’s recently changed his position on virtually every core issue at stake, including abortion, immigration, gun control, gay marriage, climate change, campaign finance reform, stem cell research, Iraq withdrawal, the Bush tax cuts — the list goes on.

“Voters don’t respect politicians whose positions and principles seem to change with the political winds. Florida voters know that John McCain is a leader of character and integrity who does what he thinks is right.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/floridapolitics/entries/2008/01/23/qblog_gets_response_from_mccai.html#jump

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 7:32 PM

Mark Levin demolishes McCain

gash on January 23, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Henceforth I shall call Senator McCain “Amnesty McCain”.
If Rush and the gang were to call him by this new handle it would preclude the possibility of having a man with a core belief in amnesty getting into the Whitehouse.

Terrible thing to call a war hero.

The Rock on January 23, 2008 at 7:43 PM

Yeah, The Rock, it sucks.

Shame he had to go call those of us who opposed his amnesty bill a bunch of racists and ignorant yahoos. Makes me feel all kinds of sorry that people are being mean to him. I’ll try to remember to cry later.

Jimmie on January 23, 2008 at 7:51 PM

If Florida is the state that helps rid us of McCain it is going to be great irony considering its past debacles.

Come on Sunshine State! Please start the ‘kick McCain to the curb party’!

SimplyKimberly on January 23, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Ok, Rudy is starting to look like a long shot. He might have one last chance at the debate tomorrow, but I’m doubtful. What a shame! I’m sorry, but choosing between Romney and McCain is like choosing between a plastic Ken Doll and a grump old liberal. I’ll probably end up voting whoever the candidate is in the general election, but the chances of me “forgetting” to vote have gone up bigtime. I really dislike both of these guys. Romney will fold under pressure the first time the dems/MSM go after him. Blah

froghat on January 23, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Ok, Rudy is starting to look like a long shot. He might have one last chance at the debate tomorrow, but I’m doubtful.

Don’t count the guy out yet. He has forged himself a couple of big hammers to bring to the debate tomorrow, in his tax bill and Catastrophe Fund. These issues will be popular with voters in Florida, and he’ll be able to put Romney and McCain on the spot with them. The guy’s a prosecutor, and he’s got his evidence lined up.

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Big S, yeah, I’m still holding out hope. You know, these polls amaze me. Whenever I see Rudy on tv explaining economic issues, he always sounds brillant and makes sense. Why do people love Mitt and McCain so much? I just don’t get it.

froghat on January 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM

If you look at a chart of Rudy’s demise, there are two separate free falls. The first free fall started shortly after the non-scandal on Politico.com about hiding funds for trips to see Judy. The story was shortly thereafter debunked by the NYT, on page 26, but the damage was done. The first mass exodus of Rudy’s voters seem to have gone to Huck. I guess the evangelicals, who were attracted to Rudy’s fame and may not have know much more about him than 9/11, finally found out about his marriages, appearing in drag and living with homosexuals. The mistress fund scandal was just the straw that broke the camel’s back and they abandoned him for Huck.

Rudy still could have won the nomination if he could have held onto his support after the mass defection of the evangelicals and paleo-conservatives. He still held Florida and all the big states. However his drop in the polls, combined with his poor showing in the early states, combined with McCain’s comeback in New Hampshire caused the second free fall. Rudy lost what he needed most, the appearance that he could win. Voters started to doubt him and they flocked to the other moderate hawk in the race, McCain. That was the second and most fatal free fall.

He is the best candidate and the most skilled and energetic executive — particularly in dealing with a hostile legislature — a skill our next president will need. Hope will not be gone until he loses FL, but I can read a poll and it looks bad. Either way, he already has a few votes from my household in CA as we already voted absentee.

tommylotto on January 23, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Forget about Romney….he’s finished.

It’s going to be Mike Huckabee/Duncan Hunter.

HaraldHardrada on January 23, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Will McCain blame his loss on underhanded attack ads this time, too?

prairiemain on January 23, 2008 at 7:11 PM

No, he’ll probably blame it on all us ignorant, xenophobic, racists who didn’t understand that his and Teddy K’s massive amnesty plan wasn’t really amnesty!

AZCoyote on January 23, 2008 at 8:14 PM

I heard another poll has Romney 10,000 points in front of Giuliani, Paul 340,000 points in front of Huckabee, who is 1,000,000 points in front of Rudy.

Woo hoo! MittMentum!

In fact, Rudy polled so low, that every single voter offered to personally take a doodoo on Rudy’s statue of 9/11.

For the record, I am opposed to that.

The global warming implications alone are staggering.

sulla on January 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Strategic Vision Florida Republican Primary

McCain 25%
Giuliani 22%
Romney 20%
Huckabee 18%
Thompson 6%
Ron Paul 5%

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Strategic Vision Florida Republican Primary

McCain 25%
Giuliani 22%
Romney 20%
Huckabee 18%
Thompson 6%
Ron Paul 5%

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Well several other polls show Mitt ahead. What kind of retard can (a) belong to the Republican party (b) vote for the Amnesty, global warming, and anti-tax cut champion McInsane?

Igor R. on January 23, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Forget about Romney….he’s finished.

It’s going to be Mike Huckabee/Duncan Hunter.

HaraldHardrada on January 23, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Just as likely to get the nomination as the Bozo the Clown/Attila the Hun ticket.

Igor R. on January 23, 2008 at 8:32 PM

No, he’ll probably blame it on all us ignorant, xenophobic, racists who didn’t understand that his and Teddy K’s massive amnesty plan wasn’t really amnesty!

AZCoyote on January 23, 2008 at 8:14 PM

What do you mean it’s “Amnesty”? If you look in the prestigious McCain Webster dictionary “Amnesty” is defined as “whatever John McCain calls Amnesty”, so therefore it’s not Amnesty at all!

Igor R. on January 23, 2008 at 8:34 PM

I was supporting (and contributing) to Fred. I’ll be voting for Mitt in Florida as are my other buddies that were supporting Fred. I’d expect to see Mitt surge and win going away.

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will I vote for McCain or Huckabee. If this party nominates either of those two people then this country will get a nice helping of Hillary/Obama. And I’ll be buying more guns and moving to Montana…

Weber48IDA on January 23, 2008 at 8:38 PM

McCrank demands that illegals be polled.

And given $50 a head.

ROMNEY-RUDY 2008.

profitsbeard on January 23, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Slightly off topic…Rudy’s tax plan to be introduced as legislation in the House.

Gotta admit that the man has a plan. If Romney goes after McCain on taxes, expect Rudy to gain some of his support.

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 6:29 PM

By two loud Giuliani Supporters. Yeah, no politics or bias THERE.

EJDolbow on January 23, 2008 at 8:48 PM

Anyone think the debate Thursday night is key to FL?

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM

No, because I think Republicans can think and aren’t easily swayed by emotion (as compared to liberals). McCain has an amnesty and anti-conservative problem, Rudy an abortion problem. If Huckabee weren’t a smooth talking Pastor he’d have no base. Thanks to an American hero named Gen David Petraeus, we’ve figured the war out. This election will be about the economy. People are moving to the guy they are least offended by, and is a damn good bidness man.

Mitt Romney.

Weber48IDA on January 23, 2008 at 8:56 PM

I’m in Florida. I still am a Fred Head. I’m voting for Mitt on Tuesday.

I get the sense that a lot of Fred supporters are doing the same. I feel that Mitt will win Florida and by quite a bit.

I truly don’t believe that McCain will win a closed primary, on the other hand, we have a lot of military in FL wwho might go the McCain road.

stenwin77 on January 23, 2008 at 9:14 PM

stenwin77 on January 23, 2008 at 9:14 PM

It is a very smart thing for Fredheads to vote for Mitt because I have more than a gentle feeling Mitt will ask Fred to be his VP after a Florida win but BEFORE stupor Tuesday.

Mitt’s main strategy guy is the guy who helped get Fred elected twice to the senate.

There is some there there.

EJDolbow on January 23, 2008 at 9:22 PM

The MITTkickers are on, locked, loaded and ready for battle.

“There’s no one better to protect our shores.”

Um, I just read how speedboats are dumping loads of illegals on our shores. If Juan McMacarena wants me to believe his statement…….PROVE IT!!!!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 23, 2008 at 9:24 PM

I was floating between Mitt & Fred, but was a little more impressed with Mitt, although Fred has had some absolute no nonsense moments which have left me elated.

I went to Mitt’s site again recently and looked things over a bit more, and I have to say some of the stuff there is on the Plan for Linlithgow’s Presidency ™. Such as:

reform entitlements (Lin sez… get rid of ‘em! but that’s just me)

review of budget for waste/duplication

explore ANWR

punish sanctuary cities, no amnesty

encourage nuclear power adoption

There’s going to be a lot of pressure on Mitt if he wins to keep things that he outlined so specifically, so I believe he’ll stick to them.

In a Linlithgow presidency however, I would add:

reform intelligence services

move towards a more Federalist system; push more power/responsibility to the states

push for changes in Unions. Being part of a Union now means you aren’t to be held responsible for negligent acts, and companies are held at Union knifepoint, which has killed our auto industry. Teachers can strike and deny children an education, etc etc. Unions are good in some ways, but anti-competion/anti-capitalist in others

shrink the number of govt employees by (for example) disbanding the TSA and contracting out to private enterprise for jobs

linlithgow on January 23, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Trends lines are the thing to watch.

McShamnesty is trending down and Mitt is trending up. And that vile disgusting bigot HuckaShumck is way down.

csdeven on January 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM

How will Romney fare in the general election when this comes out:

Duncan Hunter on Willard Romney’s chinese connections

“Presidential candidate and current Ranking Member of the House Armed Services Committee, Congressman Duncan Hunter, today called on former Governor Mitt Romney to send a “clear statement” to the leadership of the company he founded, Bain Capital, to terminate a proposed business deal with a controversial Chinese corporation seeking to acquire U.S. defense contractor 3COM.

Bain Capital is attempting to form a business arrangement with Huawei Corporation, a Chinese corporation founded by an officer of the Peoples Liberation Army of Communist China, which faces allegations of assisting Saddam Hussein in the targeting of U.S. aircraft and in helping the Taliban develop surveillance equipment.

“I am extremely concerned that Governor Romney’s company would tout a highly suspect Chinese corporation as a strategic partner,” stated Hunter. “Forming a business partnership with a corporation known to have direct ties with terrorists and dictators while, at the same time, openly seeking to acquire a major U.S. corporation that performs vital cyber security work for the Department of Defense, can only be characterized as irresponsible.”

A resolution has been introduced in Congress, H.Res. 730, which states; “The preponderance of publicly available evidence clearly suggests that as currently structured, the proposed transaction involving Huawei threatens the national security of the United States and should not be approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States .” A copy of this resolution is provided.

Hunter stated in his letter to Governor Romney, “…while it is true that you no longer control Bain Capital, the contributions you have received from its principals as its founding member indicate that your influence within the company remains strong.

“Further, while the Committee on Foreign Investment has yet to rule on the Huawei transaction, this corporation’s connection to Saddam Hussein, the Taliban and the Army of Communist China should clearly disqualify them from becoming, in the words of your former company, “a strategic partner” in acquiring a U.S. firm such as 3COM, which performs vital cyber-security work for the U.S. Department of Defense.

“This letter is a request that you immediately issue a statement of policy that this transaction should be terminated on the grounds of national security. Please let me know what you intend to do.”

HaraldHardrada on January 23, 2008 at 10:42 PM

Mitt Romney will go down in history as the third biggest mistake in the history of Republicanism. I’ll leave it to you to figure out the top two.

We’re going to nominate our own Michael Dukakis.

I hate being right about this. But I am. In two years that will be obvious. The only question is whether it will be bad … or very, very bad.

Good luck, kids.

Professor Blather on January 23, 2008 at 11:15 PM

We’re going to nominate our own Michael Dukakis.

I hate being right about this. But I am. In two years that will be obvious. The only question is whether it will be bad … or very, very bad.

Good luck, kids.

Professor Blather on January 23, 2008 at 11:15 PM

Any reasoning behind this Blather, or have you drunk the MSM attack kool-aid vis-a-vis Romney.

I don’t forsee Romney doing any cheesy tank stunts.

BKennedy on January 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I still think it’s going to be a hard fought, uphill battle for Mitt to pull through to the nomination against McCain.

I agree with those who say Mitt will need to consistently get under McCain’s skin which, at some point will cause Mr. StraightTalk to say something stupid in a manner not unlike one’s inappropriately gruff grandpa.

CliffHanger on January 24, 2008 at 12:14 AM

I’m now watching Mitt respond to Colmes’ “gotcha” questions. Smooth…

CliffHanger on January 24, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Barack understands that the real appeal of Reagan was that he inspired Americans with a determination to win the Cold War and to revive the economy. Contrary to what many here think, Reagan is fondly remembered for those things, not his social conservatism.
Big S on January 23, 2008 at 7:20 PM

All due respect, but I think you’re projecting your own reasons for liking Reagan here. Even though Reagan was heroic on these two issues, I’m betting most of the people who remember him fondly liked everything about him.

theregoestheneighborhood on January 24, 2008 at 2:16 AM

I don’t forsee Romney doing any cheesy tank stunts.

BKennedy on January 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I don’t see Romney doing anything stupid, which should rule out any tank stunts. But cheesy. Oh, yeah. We can fully expect to see cheesy until November.

theregoestheneighborhood on January 24, 2008 at 2:18 AM

So McCain promises to guard our shores. I note that he doesn’t mention our land borders.

Our shores aren’t the borders that need protection. IT’S THE LAND BORDERS, STUPID!

What a weasel. “Supporting our troops” by encouraging foreign invaders to take over their hometown neighborhoods while they are overseas fighting the terrorists.

I will vote for anyone who takes a blood oath to veto any form of rewards, benefits, special consideration, etc. for illegal aliens.

And I’ll donate an extra $1000 to the candidate who runs and governs according to these clear wishes of the American people.

It looks like Romney is our last chance to (hopefully) veto Shamnesty ‘09.

fred5678 on January 24, 2008 at 2:48 AM

Key finding: “The key to Romney’s lead is the immigration issue. 15% of the state’s GOP voters listed immigration as their biggest concern and within that group, 50% support Romney compared to just 14% for McCain.

Don’t you just love it???

Sanity in an electorate, at last!

Mitt: Hit McCain over his lettucehead with this issue. Please.

fred5678 on January 24, 2008 at 3:00 AM

…I really think the Huckster would be the perfect choice as Mitt’s VP. It might solve the irrational evangelical problem.

Haldol on January 23, 2008 at 6:57 PM

You don’t pick a guy, in order to get in, who’ll be (to use a biblical image) a millstone round your neck once you’ve gotten in.

Tzetzes on January 24, 2008 at 3:18 AM

Barack understands that the real appeal of Reagan was that he inspired Americans with a determination to win the Cold War and to revive the economy. Contrary to what many here think, Reagan is fondly remembered for those things, not his social conservatism.
Big S on January 23, 2008 at 7:20 PM

You must not have been born then. As a talking point that statement works only for those who did not live during Reagan; you should test market it with the generation who witnessed Reagan to retain credibility. Just a suggestion to the Barackians: there are some eye witness to the history being distorted

I do not remember Reagan fighting a war to save the economy. He fought a war to convince Americans their nation was still great and good, and he also fought a war to promote the idea that communism was evil and cruel.

Reagan inspired Americans with his optimism about America and his denouncing big government. He never missed a chance to tie in any event to the evils of big government. He fired all the air traffic controllers for striking and never re hired them. He repeatedly denounced communism because of his social conservatism. Communism was evil because it was a government that operated without the will of the people.

The press hated Reagan with a passion. There was a puppet show on tv that mocked him weekly as a senile fool who thought communism was evil, when the pundits knew that communism was the only system that kept the rich from having all the walth and gave medical care to all. The press mocked him for his speech to ‘tear down that wall’.

His arms build up and Star Wars helped deplete the soviets, but his speeches reached within those nations to give hope and ultimately it was those people who refused to obey.

Here is a clue. Reagan would never have given an award to Farrakhan, not attend a church that did so.

entagor on January 24, 2008 at 3:45 AM

typo:

Here is a clue. Reagan would never have given an award to Farrakhan, not NOR attend a church that did so.

entagor on January 24, 2008 at 3:45 AM

entagor on January 24, 2008 at 3:51 AM

Down to one viable candidate IMHO:

Paul – Dangerously naive about many adult topics.
McCain – Burned the base bridge long, long ago.
Huck – Soft hearted and funny but not gonna be my nanny.
Mitt – After sincere investigation, you simply can’t take seriously anyone who claims to be a “leader” in Joseph Smith’s wacko church. If Mitt is the nominee, LDS theology will become a focal point of the campaign and it is totally indefensible.

That leaves the guy with the difficult-to-spell last name: Mr. Giuliani. Two things are true – He did for New Yorkers what he said he would do; Rudy handled 9/11 in a fashion that impressed the whole country. No, he’s not “perfect” but, once again, Jesus the Christ isn’t on the ballot.

Rudy is the rare “what you see is what you get” kind of guy, and he’s not afraid of a back alley knife fight… which is exactly what Team Clinton has planned.

Guiliani should name a VP now and take the lead in leading the country forward. J.C. Watts would be an ideal running mate.

T J Green on January 24, 2008 at 4:33 AM

J.C. Watts would be an ideal running mate.

T J Green on January 24, 2008 at 4:33 AM

I like Michael Steele more, but J.C. would be ok.

Quite frankly, either of them are truly more conservative than any of the candidates now.

BacaDog on January 24, 2008 at 8:11 AM

Mitt – After sincere investigation, you simply can’t take seriously anyone who claims to be a “leader” in Joseph Smith’s wacko church. If Mitt is the nominee, LDS theology will become a focal point of the campaign and it is totally indefensible.

Rank bigotry here. Many, many Mormons have sincerely investigated it and stayed, many non-mormons have and joined anyway and it’s growing.

This is the old “you can’t be a Mormon unless you are stupid, delusional, or willingly deceitful” Which is of course false. The faith claims of the Catholic church are equally unjustifiable, no one (other than hardcore atheists) throw dispersions on them.

It is as justified as the contention that Jews are greedy, and it’s the subtext of all this “Mitt is insincere” crap. If you called a Jewish candidate “stingy” the ADL would bust a gasket. Creepy, insincere, inauthentic, they are all just code words for “Mormon” because that’s the stereotype, I mean, no one could seriously believe this could they? It MUST be a sham, and you are either in on it, or a sucker. Hence this meme.

Don’t believe me? Check out the any Tony Hillerman novel. Every Mormon is a con man.

Aside from that, I think your analysis is right. MONTHS ago, Dan Bartlett, former Whitehouse communications director, said that they would type Romney a flip-flopper, but that would be code for “Mormon”

I think Romney is going to lose, which is why, even as a Mormon, I was initially a supporter of Rudy too, but Rudy’s not been so great lately, so I switched to Fred, now to Mitt, cuz he’s the only viable conservative left.

tlclark on January 24, 2008 at 9:14 AM

My previous Fred vote in Florida is going to Mitt.

infidel2 on January 24, 2008 at 1:48 PM

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