Paulnuts to Fredheads: Join us
posted at 12:51 pm on January 23, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Pro-life, pro-federalism, anti-amnesty, and bonded to their man by a hero-worship so fanatic they’ve convinced themselves he’s the only man who can save America: It’s a natural match. Except for the war, of course, which is receding as an issue anyway. As the ‘Heads cling to the side of a narrow platform in the Death Star’s air shaft, Lord Vader extends his hand. Will you take it, my friends?
In case not, aside from developing a southern accent, what can Romney say or do to make you feel better about him? Not all Fredheads will be breaking for him but many will, and potentially many more if he can conjure a little Reagan mojo. Ace wants some sort of Thompson-esque “These Things I Believe” address with a little amnesty moratorium sprinkled in to make McCain blink and remind the base of how much he reeks on immigration. Romney can’t give that address, though. He can give a “These Things I Believe Now” address, but that’s the whole problem, isn’t it? If he can parrot the talking points, he can parrot the bedrock conservative principles that allegedly underlie those talking points so how will you ever believe him? He’s better off skipping any more major speeches lest he become known as the guy who keeps having to “define himself” and just start talking about the economy and attacking McCain on immigration and CFR every chance he gets. Find a demon and slay him, Mitt. That’s what you’ll do in the general if you’re running against Hillary. McCain is the Hillary of the Republican primary.
What say you, Fredheads?
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During the Shamnesty disgrace, when John McCain called me “unpatriotic” for not wanting my country invaded by low skilled foreign nationals with zero respect for our laws or culture and the current Republican President of the United States nodded his head in approval, I changed my affiliation from Republican to Independent. Its not hard to do.
Zetterson on January 23, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Ron Paul - NO STINKIN’ WAY
Huckabee - NO STINKIN’ WAY
McCain - NO STINKIN’ WAY
Rudy - no (lowercase)Too much baggage. Messy personal life. Pro-life. I won’t take a pinky-promise that he’ll nominate conservative judges.
Mitt - You better make it abundantly clear that you’re leaving your liberal ways behind you. You better also make it abundantly clear that…. wait… quickly go to Fred08 and make a copy of all his ideas, learn them, memorize them, feel them in your bones, and then maybe.
Oink on January 23, 2008 at 1:55 PM
oh alright.
Buttercup on January 23, 2008 at 1:55 PM
this is funny, even on federalism and domestic issues Fred and Paul aren’t close on.
jp on January 23, 2008 at 1:55 PM
And, as a Fred supporter, not only could I never EVER support Ron Paul, I’m still amazed the guy was even a serious candidate who was at one point raising more money than the others. I just can’t believe he’s even in the race. The state of the GOP is so depressing right now…..
mattyj86 on January 23, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Curious… has anyone noticed a FredHead that says they’ll vote for Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee? Seriously.
I haven’t seen one.
Oink on January 23, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Sorry. My dance card’s full.
Connie on January 23, 2008 at 1:56 PM
That is my main complaint with Romney.
He has already signed an “assault rifle” ban.
As an owner of many such devices, he must prove that he has had a change of heart about demonizing any class of firearms, or government seizure of them.
pseudonominus on January 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Um, what is the answer I am searching for here?
Oh yes, that would be HELL NO!!!
SimplyKimberly on January 23, 2008 at 1:58 PM
When Ron Paul loses the nod he’ll run under a different party. Our very own Nader.
Buttercup on January 23, 2008 at 1:59 PM
What can any candidate say now that hasn’t been said already? I struggle with the fact that anyone couldn’t have made up their minds already. If I hear a candidate say something new at this point, I can only surmise that they are making it up in order to get my vote, which disqualifies them on integrity issues.
bburridg on January 23, 2008 at 2:00 PM
That’s called pandering.
Sir Andrew on January 23, 2008 at 2:00 PM
That’s why we get people like McCain. Instead of staying and fighting, too many good people simply quit. The party is bigger than a couple of men. To allow them to push you out makes me scratch my head.
TheBigOldDog on January 23, 2008 at 2:01 PM
I would swear off voting for 10 years if I had to vote for Ron Paul, McCain or Huckabee. Nada, never ever! I’m still hoping for a Romney/Thompson ticket. You can still dream in this country can’t you? : )
kcd on January 23, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Except that Ron Paul will end up killing the Dems. Contrary to popular opinion, most of his supporters are Dems or Independents. It might be the only thing that allows the GOP to win the general election.
Gregor on January 23, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Good list. Add:
DIRECTOR OF FEMA: MATT ROMNEY
http://confessionsofapoliticaljunkie.blogspot.com/2007/11/how-often-do-candidates-do-stuff-like.html
Brat on January 23, 2008 at 2:02 PM
I cannot wait for Paul to run as a third party. Finally a conservative has someone to vote for. Ron Paul 2008!
muyoso on January 23, 2008 at 2:03 PM
But, Sir Andrew, what if candidate X’s pandering has a history of keeping his campaign promises once elected? Is that still pandering or just promising? Is there a difference?
The reason I ask is I think the fear is that candidates will say anything to get elected and then not adhere to their promises once elected. But what if they do stay true to their promises? Do you still have a problem with that?
Zetterson on January 23, 2008 at 2:03 PM
As a former Fred!head (ouch, that hurts to type)
I’m in the Mitt camp now.
omnipotent on January 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Paul supporters are libertarians. And from what I have seen from most paul supporters is that they will vote for Obama if not Paul.
So it helps if he stays in.
William Amos on January 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Absolute hogwash. The reason we have people like McCain is because too many conservatives are weak and refuse to fight. Instead, the settle on the candidate they think can win instead of those who share their values and beliefs.
If more people were strong enough to LEAVE the Party … they would actually be forced to reverse their move to the left.
People such as yourself continue to bow down and give them exactly what they want regardless of their actions.
Gregor on January 23, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Connie on January 23, 2008 at 2:07 PM
BTW the republican ARG poll due out soon has McCain up by 7 over Romney in Florida. Giuliani is second behind McCain by 5 points.
Looks like the Rudy Florida strategy is hurting Mitt.
William Amos on January 23, 2008 at 2:08 PM
TheBigOldDog, what would it take for you to change your affiliation? Anything? What if they adopted every single position from the Dems? Would you still call yourself a Republican?
I am loyal to ideas and beliefs. I am not loyal to individuals or parties. I have decided that based on the current stances on the issues both parties hold I am neither in line with Republicans nor am I even remotely close to the Democrats. Hence independent. I will still vote for whichever candidate is most closely in line wiht my beliefs. Regardless of party. I hope one day I will be able to re-change my affiliation to Republican. That would be a happy day for me.
Zetterson on January 23, 2008 at 2:09 PM
And these polls have been so accurate this year, haven’t they? More importantly, Rudy has essentially said “screw you I’m going to win in Florida.” Even a second place showing won’t help him going into Super Tuesday.
highhopes on January 23, 2008 at 2:13 PM
I actually think it is much better for FredHeads to remain unaffiliated with any campaign. As long as the other candidates think they need to work for our votes, the more conservative they will stay.
Connie on January 23, 2008 at 2:14 PM
So, Ron Paul wants Freheads to join him and experience the power of the dark side?
Answer from this Fredhead:
No.
Not only “no” but “hell, no”.
Same goes for Schucka-bee-nejad. NEVER.
Shirotayama on January 23, 2008 at 2:14 PM
He can promise all he wants, I. WILL. NOT. VOTE. FOR. MITT. ROMNEY.
Sir Andrew on January 23, 2008 at 2:15 PM
And to answer your question-
There is a difference between committing to do something that is consistent with your record and “promising” to do something that completely contradicts your record.
Sir Andrew on January 23, 2008 at 2:17 PM
They almost have already.
Gregor on January 23, 2008 at 2:18 PM
TheBigOldDog, let me put it to you this way. If every behavioral Republican who is angry about the current state of the party went out and changed their party affiliation to Independent what would that result in? Would the leaders of the Republican party ignore the huge mass of voters they just lost or would they attempt to figure out why they left? My guess is they would do everything in their power to figure out why those Independents were once republicans and what caused them to leave. If everybody who felt the way I do did just that change would quickly be around the corner and it would be for the better.
Now lets say everybody (including myself) do as you suggest. Lets say aside from the phone calls, the letters and various political discussions all these voters maintained their Republican affiliation. As a result the message to the party is, I’ll bitch, but I’m not going anywhere. Come election day, regardless of how many times you kick me in the teeth, I’m going to show up and check the box with an “R” with a huge toothless smile on my face. Regardless of how many times you give my beliefs the finger I’ll come running back to you with open arms.
I’m sorry TheBigOldDog, I like reading your comments, but I just can’t see how that behavior will incide change in any way whatsoever.
Zetterson on January 23, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Ronald Reagan committed based off his record.
Barry Goldwater committed based off his record.
Mitt Romney? He’s just another moderate Republican, no different than George W. Bush.
Sir Andrew on January 23, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Haha. Ok Sir Andrew. Fair enough. At least we are both very clear about what we will never do.
Zetterson on January 23, 2008 at 2:19 PM
I’m holdin’ out hope for a Lou Dobbs 3rd party run.
Ex-tex on January 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Well, from the looks of many Fredheads, Billy Dee doesn’t need to throw in the cold Colt 45 to get you into the Falcon…
SkinnerVic on January 23, 2008 at 2:21 PM
No NO! Please God NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
pseudonominus on January 23, 2008 at 2:23 PM
i’m one that would for Huckabee if he’s nominated, but never, ever, for Ron paul. Paul crossed some unforgivable lines, not just now but back in the 1980’s when he was smearing Reagan.
jp on January 23, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Ron Paul and every last one of his annoying Paultards can, frankly, stick it.
This Fredhead’s not interested.
Kensington on January 23, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Go sell crazy somewhere else. We’re all full here.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 23, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Cuffy Meigs on January 23, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Picard of course!
Aggie85 on January 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Yeah, but even after all of his time being “tied up”, he doesn’t have the kankles like Hillary. I’m sure Juan McMierda looks better in a pantsuit too.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 23, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Bingo.
aero on January 23, 2008 at 2:34 PM
I was a Fredhead back in August. I began supporting Ron Paul in October. So I guess I’m ahead of the game.
Romney needs to convince me that he isn’t going to pass another AWB before I’ll set foot outside my house on election day.
fossten on January 23, 2008 at 2:36 PM
I don’t need any coaxing getting into the Millenium Falcon!
Darksean on January 23, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Does this offer come with a straight-jacket and dolly, ala Hannibal Lector?
franksalterego on January 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM
THIS.
fossten on January 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Sign me onto that former fredhead (FFH?) band wagon. I can at least live with Mitt’s other positions. This one is untenable. It is also worrisome on a different level. Romney’s positions and prior votes on “assault weapon bans” (AWB) show a profound ignorance of firearms, their various purposes, their legal and illegal rates of use and who owns them. Despite his personal rampant ignorance on this issue he is not only willing to help, but even lead, the passage of legislation infringing upon Constitutional rights of all Americans. What other things are going to arise in which he is totally ignorant but jerks to an opinion about anyway, acts unilaterally and takes away the rights, liberties or lives of our citizens.
Still, I don’t know what to do. Romney and Huckabee are right out. No, not, nada, are not going to get my vote.
As to Ron Paul, yeah, no.
deepdiver on January 23, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Thanks for the invite, Herr Doktor. I don’t think you want to hear my invitation to you.
BuzzCrutcher on January 23, 2008 at 2:44 PM
the insanity of this is that Paul should’ve dropped out before Fred
jp on January 23, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Along with end of the world scenarios the only way I’d vote for Hillary Clinton is if Ron Paul were the republican candidate.
S_M on January 23, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Agreed. Problem is, when you take money from Nazi’s, Birch Folks and CAIR supporters - it keeps you floating longer. The whole “he’s got principles” meme from the Ronulans falls ABSOLUTELY FLAT in the face of him taking money from those folks…
When those types mentioned above are triangulating behind a candidate, that’s got T-R-O-U-B-L-E written ALL over it.
SkinnerVic on January 23, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Paul’s supporters are all insanely fanatical college students and anti-establishment types with deep pockets and/or large amounts of disposable income.
Fred’s supporters were all overly excitable normal people with jobs and families to support.
Thus why Paul raked in millions and Fred couldn’t get his organization well-funded, although his poor organization didn’t help matters.
BKennedy on January 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM
http://lordnazh.com/DailyRamble/2008/01/republican-candidates.html
He could start by making some ‘binding’ promises on the border, war and 2nd amendment :)
Lord Nazh on January 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM
I’m sorry, but I can’t resist: that was Cloud City on the planet Bespin. Semantics, I suppose.
. . .and I will NEVER take Vader’s hand!
bizznatch14 on January 23, 2008 at 3:20 PM
I am in. At least he will legalize pot.
Rustyw on January 23, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Rosie? I couldn’t bring myself to vote for her.
Wingo on January 23, 2008 at 3:26 PM
That’s the problem. Anyone who opposes Foreverwar is “blaming America first” or “not supporting the troops.” I don’t anticipate that any significant number of Fred supporters will be coming over to Paul’s camp. If unwavering support of warfare was at all negotiable for them, they’d be on his side already. Paul is considerably more impassioned and supportive of Capitalism and small government at home.
I’m guessing that Fred!heads will be partially staying home, partially going to Rudy, partially going to Mitt. And they’re all going to feel queasy because of it.
Mark Jaquith on January 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM
The Death Star??? Dude, it was the Cloud City!!!
Alex K on January 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM
I get the sense that this is the #1 most important issue for the Rontards.
Hollowpoint on January 23, 2008 at 3:36 PM
I’ve been seriously trying to figure out if there’s any chance at all of drafting Bolton for a run in 2012. I think I would just die and go to Heaven on the spot if I saw his name on a ballot.
aero on January 23, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Hollowpoint,
It is to Ron
Rustyw on January 23, 2008 at 3:50 PM
So Sorry but no way I will vote for him.
Paul=big fat no
McCain=big fat no
huck=big fat no
Rudy=maybe
Romney=yes
Charger73 on January 23, 2008 at 3:51 PM
If more people were strong enough to LEAVE the Party … they would actually be forced to reverse their move to the left.
People such as yourself continue to bow down and give them exactly what they want regardless of their actions.
Not sure if this has been addressed yet, but you are making a dangerous assumption that by sitting out, the message you want delivered to the GOP is the one that will be delivered. Given that the label of stupid party is more than a bit apt, what makes you think your message will get through?
Defense Guy on January 23, 2008 at 3:59 PM
I’m not overly excitable. My support of Fred wasn’t fanatical or unreasonable. I just preferred the things he said and the way he said them to the way that any of the other Republican candidates did.
I don’t even think it’s fair to mention Fred supporters in the same breath with the lunatics who support Ron Paul.
Kensington on January 23, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Look. If RINOs run McCain or Rudiani-Kerik, I will consider third party—even if its that wackjob Paul.
saved on January 23, 2008 at 4:08 PM
This is incorrect and shows gross ignorance on the poster’s part. The majority of all campaign money contributed to Paul has been in the form of donations of $100 or less. If you did 5 minutes of research you’d know this.
Ignorance is the most expensive thing we pay for in this country. — Rush Limbaugh
fossten on January 23, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Not for conservatives like me. Never smoked pot. Bill of Rights, economy, taxes, illegals top my list. The other candidates won’t stand up for the Bill of Rights. They have all attacked it on some level, except for maybe Huck, and he’s weak on taxes and illegals.
If anybody but Paul gets the nom I’m staying home.
fossten on January 23, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Hopefully he’ll get in the debates.
menoname on January 23, 2008 at 4:28 PM
We need help up here, so you need to get a Mitt/Fred thing happening down there to get rid of the Communist hoard in the Democratic party
Western Canadian on January 23, 2008 at 4:38 PM
I’m a Fredhead for Mitt.
The only thing Ron Paul can do now is enter as a third-party and give the race to the Dems.
How would conservative principles be advanced by that?
The same goes for the, “If it’s not MY guy, I’m staying home” crowd.
That’ll show ‘em!!
All that does is allow the Dems to brag that they received a clear mandate from the masses to do as much damage as they can to the constitution, the economy, and America in general.
After Reagan won the nomination in 1980, the supporters of the other Republicans didn’t stay home; they voted for him in the General, even though their guy didn’t win the nomination.
That’s how Republicans won; by supporting the party’s nominee, regardless of the fact that he wasn’t their “ideal” candidate.
Yes, it sucks to have most of the rest of the party not agreeing with you that your guy is the best. Believe me, as a Fredhead, I know. But that’s politics.
I also made the mistake of a “protest” vote. For Ross Perot. Guess what? 8 years of Clinton rule and now the spectre of Hillary being President is what we reaped for that mistake.
So, I’ll vote for Mitt on Super Tuesday. But if Huck, or Mac, or Rudy, or Ron Paul is the nominee afterwords, you bet I’ll vote for that person in the General.
To paraphrase the saying, “Let’s be Republi-CANS, not Republi-can’ts”.
zoomzale on January 23, 2008 at 5:03 PM
fossten,
The legalization of pot would help the following;
1) The economy. A new cash crop for our farmers, new industries, plus not jailing 60,000 Americans a year plus court costs, incarceration, ect. Also, we don’t have to spend money in all of those foreign countries.
2) Taxes. Having the revenue from taxing pot sales would help lower other taxes
3) Bill of Rights, should people be incarcerated when there is not a crime against anyone?
4) Illegals. Surely not smuggling pot across the border would cut down on illegals. Plus, let the now out of work DEA folks help out on the boarder.
Rustyw on January 23, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Mitt needs to keep talking economy but be more specific: tax cuts, ending captial gain and death taxes, spending cuts, entitlement cuts.
Also, talk more about War on Islamic Jihad. He’s the only one who isn’t afraid to use the words “jihad” and “caliphate” (Huckabee probably doesn’t know what they mean) and he needs to capitalize on that.
Speaking of capitalize…continue to defend capitalism the way he did when he slammed Huckabee in the NH roundtable.
ashleymatt on January 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM
if Hollywood was smart, they’d give Paul a starring role in the next Star Trek film or some other similar fantasy film.
jp on January 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Uh, that our candidate may have dropped out of the race, but our brains didn’t fall out of our skulls….
Master Shake on January 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Couldn’t agree more!
I am still a Fredhead and will be voting for him in Californias PRimary…I understand his decision to get out but I feel like it would have almost assured a brokered convention if he had stayed in through super tuesday. I challenge everone to keep track of what percentage of voted he still gets during Super Tuesday ANything above 5% anywhere and he should NOT have gotten out. I am vacillating between possibly voting for Mitt or the Constitution Party candidate in the general election (as (protest vote that doesn’t have me voting for the democrat out of spite or the lesser of two evils in my party!). IF…Mitt would extend an invitation to FRED to be his running mate it would give me a more easy feeling towards voting MITT
McCain - NO WAY Immigration too important is tearing country apart
Guilani - Neutral…weak 2nd amendment and weak immigration, strong National security though?
Huckabee - NO WAY Liberal in elephants clothing
Roan Paul - NO he’s Liberatrian. Is overly isolationist…however he is right on money issues.
RedLizard64 on January 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Yeah well that’s just like your opionion man.
Buttercup on January 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Ron must be smoking somethin’.
TheSitRep on January 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Considering that Paul is the most condservative candidate left on the ballot, he will certainly get some of Fred’s support- also the support of those wanting to shake the RNC to its core.
Valiant on January 23, 2008 at 5:35 PM
SPOT ON Sister!!!!
RedLizard64 on January 23, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Well, that’s just great. I guess it might be a match if us Fredheads starting taking really hard drugs, but other than that, no.
AUINSC on January 23, 2008 at 6:23 PM
zoom, explain to me how the Republican party will win in November 2008 when their platform hasn’t changed since they lost the House and the Senate in November of 2006?
Ron Paul is more in line with the “Old” Republican Party, the one that got us out of wars (Vietnam & Korea), instead of this “New” warmongering, big government version.
Convince me otherwise…
Fed Up
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 7:00 PM
@ Lord Nazh on January 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM
RP is by FAR the best candidate on the second amendment and the border. As for the war, he is the best candidate for my position, which is to get us out of there ASAP, but most on here dont think that way. That chart is BS, as he should have a 4 for the immigration issue, which would put him close to the lead.
muyoso on January 23, 2008 at 7:22 PM
Oink,
Thank you. I couldn’t have said it better.
Mooseman
Mooseman on January 23, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Pull up a chair!
Jim Treacher on January 23, 2008 at 8:35 PM
why do you keep talking to me… it’s like asking a guy how he feels a few days after his girlfriend dumps him… Fred… call me?
I’m sticking with the “conservative movement in America is dead!”
and I’m voting for Billary, just to spite you all.
Cheney/Bush 2008
Kaptain Amerika on January 23, 2008 at 10:56 PM
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