Depressing: Condi hints at “grand bargain” with Iran if they’ll agree to suspend enrichment

posted at 7:15 pm on January 23, 2008 by Allahpundit

Further to yesterday’s post about how limited NATO’s deterrent options are, here’s the U.S. Secretary of State essentially promising Iran normalized relations, economic benefits, plus the kitchen sink if they’ll pretend to suspend uranium enrichment while continuing it covertly in some military facility away from prying eyes. It’s a rehash of the 2003 offer from the mullahs that Bush allegedly snubbed (although not quite as good) and a sneak preview of what a Clinton or Obama deal with Iran will look like if/when it happens. The punchline? Ahmadinejad is near or at his political nadir back home, so all we’re really doing here is giving comfort.

Just one day after getting agreement on a draft U.N. Security Council resolution against Tehran, Rice offered the incentive of a “more normal relationship” and expanded trade if Iran gave up sensitive nuclear work, according to the prepared text of her speech to the World Economic Forum in Switzerland…

“If Iran would suspend its uranium enrichment and reprocessing activities – which is an international demand, not just an American one – then we could begin negotiations, and we could work over time to build a new, more normal relationship,” she said.

Rice said this new relationship could be defined not by fear and mistrust but growing cooperation, expanding trade and exchange, and the peaceful resolution of differences.

The other element of a grand bargain? A standdown in Iraq, where Iranian meddling persists to this day.


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If the US wins in Iraq its worth a stand down on Iran.

I’d agree with this as long as we arm Israel in responce to Iran.

William Amos on January 23, 2008 at 7:19 PM

I predict Iran will NOT agree

NickTx on January 23, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Tell me again the differance between the Clinton and Bush administrations?

conservnut on January 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM

So Iran has to suspend its nuke program and stop meddling in Iraq? I’m doubtful we have to worry about them accepting this offer anytime soon.

amerpundit on January 23, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Now if they are also suppose to cut off support for Hezbollah ….

William Amos on January 23, 2008 at 7:26 PM

This is disappointing??? How is dealing with a problem diplomatically disappointing? As long as we make sure both parties hold on to their sides of the bargain, crap should ALWAYS be handled in this way. Also, wouldn’t it be a better thing to get them to stop sending arms/people to kill our sons/daughters/brothers/sisters in Iraq instead of maintaining this hard line stance that gets us nowhere??

muyoso on January 23, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Tell me again the differance between the Clinton and Bush administrations?

Clinton kept his women under him in his office, while Bush sent his to make deals with authoritarian countries?

BlackCapitalist on January 23, 2008 at 7:27 PM

The old Condi would’ve hinted about bombing them.

Tony737 on January 23, 2008 at 7:27 PM

She will no doubt offer up most of Israel for the chopping block as part of the deal.

Condi, Like Madeline Notat Albright is just kicking the can down th road so that President Hillary has to deal with it.

LegendHasIt on January 23, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Let the Persians cut the olive branch.

infidel on January 23, 2008 at 7:30 PM

And our next item in the Legacy Policy Auction is….

Drew on January 23, 2008 at 7:32 PM

muyoso on January 23, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Why would Hot Air armchair generals advocate diplomacy when they can read and watch even more young men and women die while the bombs drop and they sit comfortably at home?

It’s easy to throw around “bomb them!” and “nuke them!” when it doesn’t directly affect you.

I’m glad the Bush administration is giving diplomacy a strong chance first. It’s the right thing to do.

BlackCapitalist on January 23, 2008 at 7:33 PM

grand bargain = KABOOM!

Blake on January 23, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Why would Hot Air armchair generals advocate diplomacy when they can read and watch even more young men and women die while the bombs drop and they sit comfortably at home?

Ah, the siren song of the crypto-leftist Paulnut, tossing about the chickenhawk meme and scoffing at the idea that Iran is any threat at all just because it’s easier on his worldview to think so.

How we doing in the polls these days, fellas? Still 5% or so, huh? rEVOLution!

Allahpundit on January 23, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Ah, the siren song of the crypto-leftist Paulnut…

Allahpundit on January 23, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Siren song? Come on, it’s not like people are going away anytime soon… once the rEVOLution is over, they’ll just shift back from whence they came. Like white-power groups, the Democratic party, mental hospitals with liberal policies about internet usage. These people (and their message) are here to stay, bless their delusional little hearts.

Wineaholic on January 23, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Relax folks, it’s not like Iran is likely to take her up on the offer.

bnelson44 on January 23, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Siren song? Come on, it’s not like people are going away anytime soon… once the rEVOLution is over, they’ll just shift back from whence they came. Like white-power groups, the Democratic party, mental hospitals with liberal policies about internet usage. These people (and their message) are here to stay, bless their delusional little hearts

Yes, but our plan has worked! MUWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

We’ve drawn them out into the open so they can be properly identified. Now it will be easier for the black helicopters to track them. Ron Paul was quite the useful dupe. A few manipulated polls and the fools came crawling out of the woodwork declaring themselves openly. It was all so easy!

trubble on January 23, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Allahpundit on January 23, 2008 at 7:37 PM

That hurts my feelings Allah. You don’t fear the Blimp.

I didn’t say they were no threat at all. I said stop talking about bombing countries so nonchalantly like there is no alternative that exists. Diplomacy can work, look at our work in North Korea. Just cool off the freaking hawk rhetoric.

BlackCapitalist on January 23, 2008 at 7:46 PM

trubble on January 23, 2008 at 7:45 PM

SHHHHHH! If they bother to read and not just react in a knee-jerk fashion about the gold standard and imperialism, they might have half a mind to possibly think about catching on to our cunning plan. Almost Rovian I dare say.

Wineaholic on January 23, 2008 at 7:47 PM

conservnut on January 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM

1: no bimbo eruptions
2: Bush WH, no interns “on” the President’s “staff” wink wink
3: Hillary isnt in the VP’s office…
other than that…. eh, not so much

mrfixit on January 23, 2008 at 7:52 PM

muyoso on January 23, 2008 at 7:26 PM

You do understand these comments are directed at you as well, you ridiculously stupid cow. You could use even one well functioning eye– forget the muyoso. It ‘aint working.

JiangxiDad on January 23, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Ah, the old one-two, hit ‘em with detente, then get ‘em with the blue-jeans, rock-n-roll, and Coca-Cola. Capitalism FTW!

Titus Flavius on January 23, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Allah: …if they’ll pretend to suspend uranium enrichment while continuing it covertly in some military facility away from prying eyes.

absolutely!

However, this whole situation could be a required show of good faith on the part of Condi. The administration has to make it seem, to our timid allies, that we are capable of negotiation. We do it because we know that Iran will never accept so we then say, well, at least we tried Europe

Opinionnation on January 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM

That hurts my feelings Allah. You don’t fear the Blimp.

I didn’t say they were no threat at all. I said stop talking about bombing countries so nonchalantly like there is no alternative that exists. Diplomacy can work, look at our work in North Korea. Just cool off the freaking hawk rhetoric.

BlackCapitalist on January 23, 2008 at 7:46 PM

I can’t … It’s either unbelievable naïveté or brilliant satire. I can’t figure out which though.

apollyonbob on January 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Paulnuts don’t fear the Blimp
We can be like they are

Come on baby… Don’t fear the Blimp
Baby take my hand… Don’t fear the Blimp
We’ll be able to fly… Don’t fear the Blimp
Baby I’m your Paulnut…

Primary is done
Here but now they’re gone
Paul and Huckabee
Are together in eternity…
Paul and Huckabee
Don’t fear the Blimp

40,000 Paulnuts everyday… Like Paul and Huckabee
40,000 men and women everyday… Redefine rEVOLution
Another 40,000 coming everyday…We can be like they are

Come on baby… Don’t fear the Blimp
Baby take my hand… Don’t fear the Blimp
We’ll be able to fly… Don’t fear the Blimp
Baby I’m your Paulnut…

TheBigOldDog on January 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM

I hear great things coming from North Korea. I even recall a nuclear test coming at some point after diplomacy. So yeah, that’s working great.

Wineaholic on January 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM

What happened to Condi? She was awesome early on, but turned into a total push-over the second she got into the Bush administration…really sad story. Condi, we hardly knew ya…

AUINSC on January 23, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Hey the Iranians could always go the Nork route and agree to stop all Uraniuam enrichment. Then go full bore with plutonium. The Kim Jong Ilk did it the other way around, but hey, they’d never sell any of technology. So now I can go to sleep content. G’ nite!

trubble on January 23, 2008 at 8:01 PM

I hear great things coming from North Korea. I even recall a nuclear test coming at some point after diplomacy. So yeah, that’s working great.

Wineaholic on January 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM

durrrrr….huuurrrrr….

BlackCapitalist on January 23, 2008 at 8:04 PM

BlackCapitalist on January 23, 2008 at 8:04 PM

And they have a tradition of always being honest.

Big Orange on January 23, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Wineaholic on January 23, 2008 at 7:41 PM

I hereby declare that Comment of the Day Year. I don’t think anything is going to top that.

steveegg on January 23, 2008 at 8:18 PM

BlackCapitalist on January 23, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Ah yes, Mohamed ElBaradei. The man who has yet to prevent any country from obtaining nuclear weapons. No one could possibly fool him! Especially when he is not very difficult to roadblock, as his “Syrian brothers” demonstrated.

Wineaholic on January 23, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Diplomacy is not a pretty business, which is why it’s not a transparent process, which is why taking public statements at face value — or thinking that they represent anything other than a negotiating stance — is, at best, naive. Condi has to manage a lot of expectations on a lot of different fronts, so I wouldn’t necessarily assume you even know precisely who she’s talking to.

JM Hanes on January 23, 2008 at 8:23 PM

conservnut on January 23, 2008 at 7:21 PM

1: no bimbo eruptions
2: Bush WH, no interns “on” the President’s “staff” wink wink
3: Hillary isnt in the VP’s office…
other than that…. eh, not so much

mrfixit on January 23, 2008 at 7:52 PM

So with the exception of #3, the only differance is that it was more llke the playboy mansion.

conservnut on January 23, 2008 at 8:28 PM

steveegg on January 23, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Many thanks. I can only hope to keep it up and make myself worthy of an iPhone within the next few years.

Wineaholic on January 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM

So let me get this straight…..

We DO negotiate with terrorists.

Got it now.

ej_pez on January 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Many thanks. I can only hope to keep it up and make myself worthy of an iPhone within the next few years.

Wineaholic on January 23, 2008 at 8:29 PM

I wish I could afford an iPhone, but seeing we peons are limited to a grand total of 2, it would be a bit hard to get that prize to you.

steveegg on January 23, 2008 at 8:39 PM

I prefer Basmati.

And frying the Mahdi in his well.

profitsbeard on January 23, 2008 at 8:43 PM

I really wish we’d quit with the charades already. Iran will not stop. It’s not gonna happen. Russia and China are not on our side. Accept it and deal with it accordingly. Sec. Rice, you’re making us look stupid.

CP on January 23, 2008 at 8:50 PM

It does sound incredibly naive of Condi. Iran keeps telling us point blank what their intentions are, and we just keep crawling back, trying to “negotiate”. When they launch a nuke at us or one of our allies, do you think we’ll finally get it?

4shoes on January 23, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Hey, anybody remember the “Axis of Evil,” soon to be rechristened the “Axis of Partners For Peace?” “You’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists?”

Good times. Well, not good times, exactly. But certainly much less wilfully naive ones.

Mike H on January 23, 2008 at 10:43 PM

I think I need to go pick up a copy of 300…

Grayson on January 23, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Bunker mentality.

OneGyT on January 23, 2008 at 11:15 PM

OK, this proposal is the piece of evidence I needed that somewhere across the desert sands of the Middle East, Condi truly lost a few marbles out there somewhere.

Maybe it was the “strawberry juice” offered to her by the Saudi royalty.

But clearly the thought “can’t trust Iran’s mullahcracy EVER” simply isn’t connecting for her.

Shirotayama on January 24, 2008 at 1:10 AM

The old Condi would’ve hinted about bombing them.

Tony737 on January 23, 2008 at 7:27 PM

The new Condi will soon, alas, be playing Vegas.

Tzetzes on January 24, 2008 at 3:14 AM

Condi is a complete failure at State, just as she was at the NSC. And Pres Bush can’t dodge the blame for her either. This is why I can’t support Romney, because we are going to get the same suck up to the Saudi’s and Dubai’s and other big corporate interests that we have gotten from Pres Bush. Romney’s background is very much like Bush’s – Harvard MBA, big politicians as Dads. It is possible I could be wrong, but it just smells bad.

Condi has now told the the Arab in Israel that they do not need to stop terrorism and they will still get a state, and Pres Bush supports this. Bush has abandoned the Bush doctrine of either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. Bush and Condi are now with the terrorists.

We need a president with some backbone, not a flip flopper corporate guy like Romney; and McCain has basically become no different than Hillary on everything but Iraq.

McCain is unacceptable and Romney would be a disaster even if he could win over Hillary, which he could not.

georgealbert on January 24, 2008 at 5:31 AM

Would someone please handcuff this idiot to the radiator until the next elections are over.

DoctorDentons on January 24, 2008 at 6:26 AM

This is just the Bush administration trying to quietly exit the office under the pretense of diplomacy. If our capital really thinks there is a rational chance at diplomatic relations with Iran then we’re doomed. They’ll sell the shirts off our backs for something they can never have. Ironically, I think attempting diplomacy is fine, but only as a pretense. That way we have a clear reason to attack them when they continue to work towards nuclear armaments behind the international community’s collective backs. War…if you can think of a better way to handle an unresolvable dispute between two ideologically opposed, but destined to collide countries, I’d like to know it.

blankminde on January 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM

“Come with me if you want to live.”

johnnyU on January 24, 2008 at 9:12 AM