Audio: The obligatory “Paulnut goes nuts” post
posted at 9:41 pm on January 23, 2008 by Allahpundit
Search far and wide across the political spectrum and you’ll find only one candidate’s supporters willing and able to work themselves up into a screaming fit over, um, Abraham Lincoln.
Weep for the host’s failure to ask him for his opinion on the confederacy.
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no but sounds interesting.
they don’t teach military history anymore and we are paying for it.
jp on January 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM
PIMF “tpo” =”to”
billhedrick on January 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM
it is this “New” Republican party that you support that are acting like “libs” jp.
wars, spending…
not part of the “Old” Republican platform that Paul supports now are they?
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM
But we are supposed to believe what your picked authors write, right Fed?
Uncle Pinky on January 23, 2008 at 11:09 PM
For the purpose of the Revolution. The fathers intent becomes very clear when the French expected quid pro quo in the war resulting from their revolution. You’ll not we did not engage with either side, rather straddled a rather precarious middle. That seems clearly the fathers intent – it was practiced by Washington, Adams through diplomatic means, and Jefferson practiced it by muteness, a failure that resulted of course in 1812.
Spirit of 1776 on January 23, 2008 at 11:09 PM
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Boy, Thomas Jefferson. Worst.President.Ever.
billhedrick on January 23, 2008 at 11:10 PM
You missed the satire. I wa saying that the blowback was against Ron Paul and his craziness
William Amos on January 23, 2008 at 11:11 PM
seems to me that 3 of the 4 heads on Rushmore fail the Paul tests.
billhedrick on January 23, 2008 at 11:11 PM
It’s a conspiracy don’t ya know?
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Stones? Who needed stones, we were attacked by Japan and Germany declared war on us? The question you should then ask yourself is if we don’t have the “stones” to declare war properly for the reasons I stated earlier, then what makes you think we can properly fight a war to conclusion? We have had that problem since WWII as well. If we have to swindle people into a war, how can we expect them to stay the course? If you give politicians wiggle room they will take it. That is bad planning if you ask me.
LevStrauss on January 23, 2008 at 11:13 PM
I’ve been watching a lot of soundboard prank calls lately, and this took me back to that.
“I remember when some of our neighbors who were studying ballet dancing got dressed up to look like raccoons.”
OneGyT on January 23, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Well, he was thinking about his Prophet, so his hands were probably busy somewhere else.
I wonder if Ron Paul’s head would explode if you made him ride in a Fiat–especially the Fiat Idea. Then again, he might be okay with it as long as it was all-white.
ReubenJCogburn on January 23, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Or Harry Truman or LBJ?
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Nothing gets by you, eh?
doubleplusundead on January 23, 2008 at 11:17 PM
So, when Reagan invaded Grenada without a declaration of war from Congress, does that make him a liberal or part of the “New Republican Party”? How about when he dropped a few party favors on top of Libya without a formal declaration of war from Congress?
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GT on January 23, 2008 at 11:17 PM
jp on January 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM
true, from what i’ve read so far, William Eaton had ALOT to do with the whole mission, and deposing the Bashaw of Tripoli…
Pick it up, looks like a good read so far
stlpatriot on January 23, 2008 at 11:23 PM
GT, I’m not a big Reagan fan. Even Paul criticizes the man.
Reagan increased our debt by 65% when in office.
Not too many people mention that fact.
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:23 PM
“Declare war” means what exactly? Does it mean Congress must issue a piece of paper that says “We Declare War”?
The Constitution is vague on what form a declaration of war must take. If Congress simply authorizes the use of force, as it did for Iraq Wars I & II, that constitutes a “declaration” as far as the Constitution is concerned.
I refer you to Article I, Section 8.
That is all there is when it comes to “War Powers” in our Constitution. You can read more into that if you want but even SCOTUS never has. But, of course, you may have one of those elastic Constitutions I’ve been reading about.
prairiemain on January 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM
So tell me, Herr FedUp, why the dislike for these particular folks? Is it the (assumed) religious backgrounds of these individuals? That would certainly go along with the flavor of Das Memos, aka Meine Kampf by Herr Doktor Paul, wouldn’t it?
dmh0667 on January 23, 2008 at 11:27 PM
If we are in Iraq because of oil… why are gas prices so high?
Mazztek on January 23, 2008 at 9:27 PM
It’s a conspiracy don’t ya know?
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Yes look at the price of oil, those oil companies must be going through some rough times. I know if I ran an oil company my first concern would be a low price at the pump and not profits.
LevStrauss on January 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Point taken UP, but Kagan is a known NEOCON who influenced Bush via PNAC, so he has an agenda IMO while Woods is a Professor of history.
I’ll stick with the good Professor…
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Um……you do realize that all spending bills originate in the House of Representatives, not the White House.
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GT on January 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM
You betcha’…
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:29 PM
So now you have to pull the anti-semite card on me eh? To be honest, I didn’t even know they were/are all jewish.
There names do however pop up in the BBC documentary, “Power of Nightmares.” So is the BBC an organization you would categorize as you did me?
Give me a break.
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Sorry Billy
Buttercup on January 23, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Yes, and “Dr. No” would have vetoed them!
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:31 PM
You mean Thomas Woods? One of the founders of the racist and neo-confederate League of the South?
Keljeck on January 23, 2008 at 11:32 PM
hehehe…nope…My Constitution has no penumbra to draw emanations from I’m afraid. I just wasn’t sure if such a declaration triggered anything in the US Code.
Much like there is no clear definition of what a “high crime” is but the House has found a definition a couple times.
Pilgrim on January 23, 2008 at 11:32 PM
We all know that your use of “NEOCON” is just code, a euphemism. Keep on repeating it incessantly because it lets everyone know exactly where you stand.
Thanks for playin’ anyway… ;)
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Dude. Reagan did veto a lot of spending bills. Congress overrode them numerous times.
Your knowledge of Reagan is ….um…somewhat lacking.
Example #1
Example #2
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GT on January 23, 2008 at 11:37 PM
We all know that your use of “NEOCON” is just code, a euphemism. Keep on repeating it incessantly because it lets everyone know exactly where you stand.
Thanks for playin’ anyway… ;)
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Please let us in on “the code.” What do the writers of my Commentary Magazine mean when they talk about Neoconservatism? What did Irving Kristol mean when he spoke about Neoconservatism? Out with it already, inquiring minds want to know. I always thought it was somewhat a subsection of Straussianism, yet not all Straussians are Neoconservative. That sometimes gets forgotten.
LevStrauss on January 23, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Is this all you neocons have? Try to connect everything to racism? Good grief…
Wiki does a good job of explaining this controversy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_the_South
And the organization put out its own statement:
http://www.leagueofthesouth.net/static/homepage/racism.htm
Nice try…
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Wow, who said anything that they were Jooos? You picked up on that quick enough all on your own, funny, that. Actually, brainchild, Wolfowitz isn’t, no matter what you local RP sturmbannfuhrer told you.
Actually, you and your chemically-derived viewpoints would fit right in on the Britischer Bund Channel, but you already knew that, right?
dmh0667 on January 23, 2008 at 11:43 PM
and you eanax, have been “neo-conned:” http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Those guys are nuts…just as their rhetorical ancestors were nuts. There is a side of that organization that supports secession still. Lunacy. They want to bring back the CSA? Good luck boys.
http://dixienet.org/New%20Site/corebeliefs.shtml
Pilgrim on January 23, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Just the facts…re: Reagan
http://www.bartcop.com/reagans-records.htm
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Wow! Fed Up posted a 2003 version of one of Paul’s newsletters. I wonder if Paul has read it.
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GT on January 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM
dmh0667 on January 23, 2008 at 11:43 PM
I’m done talking with ignorant people (you)
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Bartcop?!
You’re referencing Bartcop?!
OMG! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahha!!!!
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GT on January 23, 2008 at 11:51 PM
You children have a good evening…
It’s been fun playin’ wit ya…
Gnite
Fed Up on January 23, 2008 at 11:51 PM
And I realize they are not advocating the return of Slavery. Yes, it is all about States Rights. Unfortunately, it took a war to decide that the rights of the States are limited by the Federal constitution. The Federals won that war once we decided to fight it seriously.
Pilgrim on January 23, 2008 at 11:52 PM
The conservatives I have known in my life back through my grandparents’ generation have always held Lincoln in high esteem and with great regard.
Lincoln’s leadership kept our Union, our Republic (the United States of America) from completely ripping itself apart at the seams. There were very legit reasons why our Founders formed this Republic, and Lincoln wasn’t going to see the Founders’ vision and hope for our nation waste away.
That wasn’t the mindset of a radical. Lincoln was a practical conservative. He did what he had to do during the most tumultuous time in our nation’s history.
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Hardly, Ronulan. Code words are easy to spot when they are regurgitated on regular basis. Your use of that term says a lot to those who take the time to read what you post.
Again, thanks for playin’…
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:58 PM
WOW! You knew exactly what I was thinking! How’d you do that?? Maybe you’re not so ignorant, after all…
Gute Nacht, und Wacht am Rhein to all PaulNuts everywhere!
dmh0667 on January 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Given Ron Paul and the Paulettes’ demand that we return the strict constitutional reading that they demand, will the Louisiana Purchase be revoked?
Will West Virginia be forced to merge back with Virginia resulting in Senator Byrd standing in the unemployment line?
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GT on January 24, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Of course you know what opponents of “NECONS” mean when they use that term. Don’t play dumb.
eanax on January 24, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Amen. While he didn’t write it, he certainly believed it:
The Constitution is not a suicide pact. I think the folks like the League of the South hate him because he did what he had to do to save the Union whether that was suspension of Habeus Corpus or, their favorite lark, “destroying the home of great great grand pappy”.
Pilgrim on January 24, 2008 at 12:04 AM
For anyone new to this discussion, “neocon” means Jew.
Go back and read these Paulnut posts, and where you see “neocon” read jew.
billy on January 24, 2008 at 12:08 AM
billy on January 24, 2008 at 12:08 AM
in response to your “out of the closet” thing earlier…you had me going. Thought you were the real deal. ;)
Pilgrim on January 24, 2008 at 12:10 AM
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:52 PM
That’s not what I think. Did they go to war because slavery was such an ill? That’s hogwash. Except for some abolitionists, who would be the equivalent of today’s Anti War protesters of their day, they were all racist bastards. Us Yankees found out you could do well by paying people garbage wages through a large immigrant labor pool and you could make a lot of money too, but they couldn’t compete with the South. They had tensions because of tariffs imposed by the North as well as the slavery issue. It was all about money and economics but they settled it with war. If it was about slavery, economics could have freed the slaves. The massive loss of life and tensions caused by it show that it was unnecessary and not beneficial.
LevStrauss on January 24, 2008 at 12:11 AM
They made a statement! Well of course I can trust that!
And they have a token black guy! They can’t be racist!
Let’s ignore the racist part, you can’t deny their are neo-confederate, which would put his work in a, shall we say, biased light?
Ye Gads! Just like Kagen!
But let’s get back to Thomas Woods for a moment.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/02/21/last_of_the_confederates/
And looking at the League of the South website, well, they sound a lot like David Duke. I see a lot of code words about preserving white heritage.
Keljeck on January 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Yeah, and greater demand around the world has nothing to do with the price of oil either, right? Right…
eanax on January 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Pilgrim on January 24, 2008 at 12:10 AM
We live in interesting times. I thought I was being too obvious and over the top, but that’s where people are at I guess.
billy on January 24, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Makes me think Lew Rockwell ghost wrote more than Ron Paul’s newsletters. Looks like he wrote Paul’s “Neo-Conned” that Fed Up linked.
Just replace neocon with Jew and read it…..
Reads like something out of Stormfront.
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GT on January 24, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Sir, you are beclowning yourself.
This isn’t the 1850′s and you don’t pay wages to anyone and you never have.
Dumbass.
billy on January 24, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Strawman.
I never wrote that the Civil War was about slavery, nor did I state that is what you believe or wrote.
All I noted was that Lincoln did what he had to do to keep the Republic together as the Founders envisioned. Pretty simple.
The Civil War was ultimately about States’ Rights versus keeping the Republic intact, and the division that existed between those two political philosophies. And we know who won. Some choose to accept it and go on, others clearly don’t…
eanax on January 24, 2008 at 12:19 AM
eanax on January 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM
So are you saying that foreign intervention has nothing to do with oil production and price? Every time there is a threat lobbed or a false crisis, by either side the price of oil goes up. When we invade a country who draws up the contracts? Who negotiates the important pipeline deals?
LevStrauss on January 24, 2008 at 12:23 AM
So let’s forget about race for a moment…
Kagan’s NEOCON policies have killed how many in IRAQ?
And the writing of Thomas Woods have killed how many?
Defend the killer of the innocent all you want. It’s not going to get your warmongering candidate elected.
Gnite..
Fed Up on January 24, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Oh, I don’t know, maybe we can talk to Haliburton? *gasp!*
After, Billy Jeff Clinton signed them up when we went into the Former Yugoslavia.
dmh0667 on January 24, 2008 at 12:29 AM
So answer one of these questions.
billy on January 24, 2008 at 12:31 AM
eanax on January 23, 2008 at 11:58 PM
In Paul’s Neoconned speech he clearly spoke about Neoconservatism in the Straussian sense. He even nicely made the Ledeen connection, because the writing in his “Machiavelli on Modern Leadership” was so transparently Straussian. I will not say exactly what the Neoconservatives think because that would not be polite, but I do believe that their policies have been anything but conservative. It is not a code word, don’t play dumb.
LevStrauss on January 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Not it all. However, it’s just one element. You fail to factor in the ever rising demand for oil in China and India, two the fastest growing economies in the world.
And, by the way, there’s no foreign intervention in Nigeria and every time there is tension in that part of the world oil prices spike.
Pipelines and othe blah, blah, blah. You do KNOW that of the the Top 5 nations that the U.S. imports oil from only ONE is in the Middle East (Saudia Arabia).
SA is almost always No. 2 of countries we import oil from. You know who is almost always No. 1? CANADA. Yep. Canada. And you know who is almost always No. 3? MEXICO. Yep. Mexico…
eanax on January 24, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Mr. LevStrauss, I hope you’re sitting down right now because I’ve got something to tell you…
LEO STRAUSS DIED IN 1972!!!!eleven!!
billy on January 24, 2008 at 12:38 AM
This deserves to be repeated. You completely changed the subject. This is not about Iraq, I was talking about the bias inherent in Woods’ writing. You quoted two neo-confederates approvingly when talking about neo-confederate things. When a neoconservative writes from a neoconservative perspective, then it becomes bias.
Weak thinking that is. Or intellectual dishonesty.
Keljeck on January 24, 2008 at 12:42 AM
LOL. Your deflection is amusing.
Go ahead and wander the many political websites in the vast world of the internet. Anyone who has spent ANY time discussing politics over the past several years (or more) knows what the original meaning of the term NeoCon means, and they will also know how it is used by many folks in “debate” on blogs and bulletin boards. The vast majority of the time it’s used in the pejorative and it’s a well-know code word.
(I see dumb people…)
eanax on January 24, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Favorate quote time:
- The Cat
MirCat on January 24, 2008 at 1:11 AM
Or both.
eanax on January 24, 2008 at 1:15 AM
You changed the subject by playing the “race” card.
So I have every right to turn it into a Kagan “killing field” card.
You deny that PNAC influenced the Bush administration to attack Iraq?
What about all those lies by Bush?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4174711
What about the BBC’s confrontation with Frum?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d0DKbbv0Lg
If you’re happy with a political party that embellishes wars, then good luck getting a candidate elected with that platform come November.
America doesn’t want war….I mean seriously….get a clue. The “New” Republican Party needs to wake up to what the world already knows. They’re done.
It is about Iraq. Bush lied. People died.
Fed Up on January 24, 2008 at 1:59 AM
“No I’m not”
“Is that all?”
“Why is that?”
Man, that was the most embarrassingly funny thing I’ve heard in a long time. I was giggling like a 10 year old kid watching two dogs humping on the front lawn at church.
That almost makes me want to bait Ron Paul supporters just for the comedy.
Hollowpoint on January 24, 2008 at 2:12 AM
So crazy…one of Ron Paul’s loud mouthed skinhead pinhead vampires foaming at the mouth for everyone to hear.
America may not want war but they certainly do not want Far Right conspiracy theory believin’ White Supremist/Christian Idenity VDare readin’ wackjobs leading us into the peace process.
This guy is exactly what supports Ron Paul – screaming threatening Far Right Lunatic Fringe like the the mob that threatened Lindsey Graham via his voicemail and chased Sean Hannity down the block in New Hampshire.
They’re closeted cross burners. And they are going to be what changes the GOP forever.
AprilOrit on January 24, 2008 at 2:25 AM
Whew… and I thought I could get worked up.
I love how he trails off at the end and becomes extremely calm when he says, “Vote for Ron Paul.” A pretty anticlimactic end to a rather hair-raising shoutfest.
Jockolantern on January 24, 2008 at 2:29 AM
Ron Paul is The White Power Candidate.
AprilOrit on January 24, 2008 at 2:44 AM
Made my day!
Tzetzes on January 24, 2008 at 3:22 AM
The caller mispronounces mercantile. It rhymes with while and mile.
Tzetzes on January 24, 2008 at 3:24 AM
OMG!!!
That puts the Dean Scream to SHAME!! LOL!!
HAHAHAHA!!
WTF WAS THAT? BWWWAHAHAHHA!!
Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 3:35 AM
You know something? We’re not just gonna go to New Hampshire, Tom Harkin. We’re gonna go to New York! We’re gonna to Vermont! We’re gonna go to Oregon! We’re gonna go to Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania! We’re going to Cancun for spring break! We’re gonna go to Montreal! We’re going to Vancouver! I’m going all over the world and then I’m coming all the way to Washington D.C. to take back the White House! BYAAAH! BYAAAH!
BOO YA!!!
Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 3:37 AM
BTW, OMG.. that was directly cut and pasted from wikipedia!
who messed it up?
someone check..
Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 3:39 AM
It’s even better in reverse.
Big S on January 24, 2008 at 3:58 AM
That was perhaps the single best phone call to a talk show I have ever heard. The host should find this guy and allow him to a regular contributor to his radio show.
“And now on our phones with an election year update, Mr. ‘Protectionalist’!”
Nipsey on January 24, 2008 at 6:40 AM
The Paulyps are at it again…
golfer1 on January 24, 2008 at 7:15 AM
If the show was still on, Ron Paul would have been a great guest star on The X-Files. He would have been right at home with that bunch.
pilamaye on January 24, 2008 at 7:52 AM
It’s a shame they used the last tear-off sheet from the original Constitution to do the last “real” declaration of war.
eLarson on January 24, 2008 at 7:57 AM
At least he bashed the Dems pretty well in there.
WisCon on January 24, 2008 at 8:53 AM
Sorry I’m late.
Love the “except for Ron Paul” at the end.
HAHAHA
Jewels on January 24, 2008 at 9:21 AM
check out thirdpartywatch.com
they have there talking points in line now on the Newsletters, they are basically that Paul is no racist and has been set up by Bill White and neo-nazi’s
jp on January 24, 2008 at 9:42 AM
heh, jewels.
“THESE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT CONSERVATIVES!!ELEVEN!!…except for Ron Paul.”
jdpaz on January 24, 2008 at 9:53 AM
FYI
NeoConservatives compared with Conservatives
It’s not code for Jooooooos, it’s ideological.
fossten on January 24, 2008 at 9:59 AM
check out thirdpartywatch.com
they have there talking points in line now on the Newsletters, they are basically that Paul is no racist and has been set up by Bill White and neo-nazi’s
jp on January 24, 2008 at 9:42 AM
Fed Up on January 24, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Thanks for the site and reference fossten…
Interesting the original site they got the info from is no longer available. (The National Federation of Republican Assemblies).
All the neo-con players were mentioned there. Same ones mentioned in the BBC documentary, “The Power of Nightmares” which implicated them and the MSM in promoting the Iraq war.
Fed Up on January 24, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Of course it doesn’t. However, that doesn’t mean we should shy away and allow terrorist organizations and countries with regimes that support such activity to continue to operate in such a manner.
And what exactly qualifies as the “Old” Republican Party?
Still spewing this tired and deliberately inaccurate party line, huh? Typical.
eanax on January 24, 2008 at 10:53 AM
thanks for the laugh – that caller needs meds STAT
and they’re coming into the final stretch, eanax is ahead of fed, will fed be able to catch him? it’s a close race for these trolls, folks, and you’re seeing it right here…
Coastian on January 24, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Every time I read a comment from a Paultard it reads like that audioclip sounds. Spitle flecked insanity at best.
Kensington on January 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Before Bush there was……….
EEEEEEEEEEEVIL LINCOLN!
http://www.superdickery.com/images/other/1860_4_222.jpg
Mr. Excitement on January 24, 2008 at 12:27 PM
ROFLMAO…. I could just barely hear them, but I think there were black helicopters approaching that guy.
And they wonder why we think RuPaul is a freakazoid.
MsUnderestimated on January 24, 2008 at 1:27 PM
exlax,
Try reading something other than Michelle, Allah, Bryan, or listening to Limbaugh, Hannity, Medved, Levin, Savage, O’Reilly or Boortz.
Bush lied and so did Rumsfield, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rice and Powell:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study
And you think we’re in Iraq to franchise democracy?
In a democracy 51% of the people say what 49% of the people must do. If that was the case in America, then 51% of the people could vote out the Bill of Rights.
Wake up people. The neocons have you conned….all the while the dollar is eaten away by the hidden tax of inflation.
And you want to keep fighting a War of Ideology…
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E1DB173DF937A15754C0A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
Ok, now say something intelligent….I can’t wait…
Meanwhile, the rEVOLution marches on! http://www.ronpaul2008.com/Prosperity
Fed Up on January 24, 2008 at 3:23 PM
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