Report: Fred dropping out; Update: Confirmed; Update: What went wrong? Update: The man who stopped Huckmentum
posted at 2:18 pm on January 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Ambinder says so and Carl Cameron is reporting it on Fox now. Stand by for updates.
Update: Cameron says it could come tonight or tomorrow. He’s already informed his campaign headquarters, in person.
Update: The website hadn’t been updated in four days. The “Fred File feed” is already offline.
Update: Here’s the official statement via his web guy, Jon Henke:
McLean, VA – Senator Fred Thompson today issued the following statement about his campaign for President:
“Today I have withdrawn my candidacy for President of the United States. I hope that my country and my party have benefited from our having made this effort. Jeri and I will always be grateful for the encouragement and friendship of so many wonderful people.”
Update: The problem in one word: Not laziness but disorganization. Karl’s been doing yeoman’s work at Goldstein’s place lately tracking how Hillary managed to eke out wins against Obama despite the fact that he’s well-funded and light years more charismatic than she is. Read this post and follow the links to the Las Vegas Sun and, especially, to Zak Exley to see what it takes. The media likes sexy/dopey pop-psych narratives about election-eve crying and racial jabs, but organization matters — a lot, a rule Fred always seemed to believe he could ignore by counting on his True Conservative status to carry him through. Again I point you to this Mark Steyn post, or to MM’s tale of how his people couldn’t pull it together to get 500 signatures in Delaware. If the lesson (or one of the lessons) of Ron Paul’s newsletter fiasco was that you can’t trust a guy to manage a country if he can’t manage his own vanity publication, how can you trust a guy who can’t figure out how to get on the ballot in all 50 states?
So I’m chalking it up to disorganization. The alternative, that Bush killed the Reagan coalition dead and left Thompson types inviable no matter how efficiently their machines might run, is simply too terrible to contemplate.
Update: He served up the red meat, says Geraghty, but he didn’t char-grill it.
Update: I fear this news calls for anti-humpbot.
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Update: Mitt’s race to lose now in Florida?
Update: I flagged these links after the South Carolina but we’re in obit mode here so let’s bring them back. What’s the legacy of Fred’s campaign? Disappointment and disorganization, yes, but something else too:
The reaction from Marvin Katzen, the McCain supporter who told us earlier in the evening that he was looking for vindication from the 2000 loss to tonight’s win: “Thank God for Fred Thompson.” Katzen credits McCain’s victory to the fact that Thompson split the conservative evangelical vote with Mike Huckabee in Upstate.
“While well behind and tied for third place with Romney, Thompson did make gains,” wrote Thomas Edsall, “and the data suggest that the 6 points Thompson picked up came out of Huckabee’s hide.” Huck’s own people admitted as much. It falls to Romney to finish McCain but Fred can claim a moral victory in having dispatched the demagogue.
Update: If you believe ARG, and you probably shouldn’t, McCain’s lead in Florida is now large enough that picking up Fred’s supporters won’t matter to Mitt.
Update: A wistful eulogy from Spruiell.
Update: Rich Galen, a now former Fred advisor, is pushing his man for veep.
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Something like 50% of new marriages in the USA end in divorce. While 3 wives is at the upper end of the curve, to be sure, it’s not unheard of at all. I don’t think hammering away at the fat that Rudy’s been divorced is a winner in a general election.
Big S on January 22, 2008 at 6:09 PM
How would Rudy turn this THIS around? Give them licenses? Note the village brothels. His type of sanctuary policies are what created it.
Rudy, McCain, and Huck all argue for and/or have made coddling illegal aliens their policy. Mitt should be embarrassed by not checking back on his landscaper for a full year, but he is the only survivor arguing in debates for no amnesty/rewards.
And we don’t need rewards – attrition is working just fine in four states.
fred5678 on January 22, 2008 at 6:10 PM
No. Carl is a McCain groupie.
fourstringfuror on January 22, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Fred looks happier now than he did during the whole campaign
jeanie on January 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM
If that bold one is true, then I’m Aspasia.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 6:13 PM
correct, and I am not gonna knock Rudy, I like him and admire what he did in NY, if Mitt falters he is my backup against McCain.
The big Republican donors are sitting tight, waiting to see what happens, but you can bet they are taking a long hard cold eyed look at all the factors and demographics of our candidates vs Hill/Obama and since I have done the same thing, I conclude Romney has the best chance.
windansea on January 22, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Spirit of 1776,
Actually, we don’t need a whole lot of new science and technology to make that happen. We need only look to (Forgive me, Father, for I am about to sin…) France.
And start mass producing these.
Entelechy, mwah!
Pablo on January 22, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Fred, is this you? What “deal” are you talking about?
tommylotto on January 22, 2008 at 6:17 PM
I’m digging for Yarzheit candles.
Mooseman on January 22, 2008 at 6:18 PM
.
Helps Mitt if Rudy’s into that polygamy stuff too.
JiangxiDad on January 22, 2008 at 6:18 PM
I live in NYC, and we don’t have shantytowns of illegal immigrants. They may be here illegally (half a million of them), but they are integrated into society about as well as they could be, largely on account of what many on this board would call “Sanctuary” policies. In fact, those policies were implemented precisely to prevent the kind of stuff that’s going on in that video. Take a look at tommylotto’s link a little ways up. Giuliani was going to have illegal immigrants one way or another in NYC because it’s a vibrant free market economy with plenty of work. They were able to get there and stay because the Federal government would not stop them from coming in, and would not take them out when identified. Given the ridiculous notions advanced by Romney and Thompson (not to mention Hunter, Huckabee and Tancredo) in this race, it’s patently obvious that Giuliani’s the only one with any experience actually dealing with this problem, and who understands what must be done.
Big S on January 22, 2008 at 6:19 PM
I live here too. We call em boroughs.
JiangxiDad on January 22, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Is he a bigot or a skunk, a conniving Imam or a drunk
Who is HaraldHardrada?
I’m sure he’s flatulant and crass
Here, here, the man’s a horse’s ass
No, no, he just prays with his own kind
And he’s quite shiria inclined
Whatever ruse he may employ,
He’s Hotairs’ ball and chain
This foul bigot
This smelly, bloody swill
Who is HaraldHardrada?
He’s certainly not me!
Percy on January 22, 2008 at 6:21 PM
I’ll be holding my nose in the FL primary and vote for Romney to stop McCain.
jwp1964 on January 22, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Nice. I actually think he’s right in that interview. It’s very close to the Giuliani position. Too bad Fred decided he had to take a harder line to compete.
Big S on January 22, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Who is HaraldHardrada?
He’s certainly not me!
Percy on January 22, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Thank God I’m not you percy. Thankfully my I.Q. is a good 80 points higher than your mildly retarded 100 I.Q. rating
HaraldHardrada on January 22, 2008 at 6:26 PM
As far as I’m concerned, it’s Cartman time:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1uVA7iEtPss
Sir Andrew on January 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM
I see popping up again the tired old false dichotomy of Bush’s, “We can’t deport 12 million
undocumented workersillegal aliens, therefore (sic) we must give them residency and a pathway to citizenship,” a la McCain, Rudy, and Huck.Even VDH has espoused this crapola. I am embarrassed that my alma mater employs him. He would have flunked my engineering courses, which required facts and logic.
Anyone who only mentions only two choices, and ignores the most popular choice of the American people, the one that is proven to work in four state “laboratories“, is disingenuous at best, and likely just being dishonest in his/her argument.
fred5678 on January 22, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Got it the first time; take it easy, and practice the sword. No one accused you of being him. Believe, I know.
p.s. and you meant “Sharia”.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Nope. I’m a Hunter delegate.
fred5678 on January 22, 2008 at 6:33 PM
I’m in this wake late (spent a long day in Madison, and the highlight was having some Malkin Snow Cream before leaving), but I have to disagree with everybody here. The third alternative, which is somewhat-close to Mickey Kaus’ (without the anti-war rant, because that is the one thing keeping 90% of the Republicans together), is that conservatism itself is dead, a victim of 70 years of almost-unchecked socialistic liberalism from the bipartisan Party-In-Government. I probably shouldn’t do this here, and I won’t do the long-form here (depending on whether a hot meal recharges me, I’ll do that either later tonight or tomorrow back at my blog), but I’ll quickly make my case:
- The last Congress that actually attempted to reduce the size and scope of government was the 104th Congress (1994-1995).
- Both of the Bush tax-rate cuts were pitched as much for not actually reducing the amount of money flowing into government and for taking more and more people off the tax rolls entirely as anything else.
- Every winner of a contested contest so far, save Huckabee, did so not by running to the right, but by running to the left. Even Huckabee distanced himself from the non-religious portion of the conservative movement before his Iowa win.
- Using Flip’s weighted primary vote scorecard, and including Paul among the “conservatives”, the 4 most-conservative candidates (Hunter, Thompson, Romney and Paul) received only 45.7% of the vote.
steveegg on January 22, 2008 at 6:35 PM
100 is quite average, and you’re a 180 like I’m Lance Armstrong. Or did you mean to say “lower”, Harald?
Pablo on January 22, 2008 at 6:35 PM
So how did it come to this,my grand prediction on Fred,
gone,who’s left Mitt,Rudy and Huck!
canopfor on January 22, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Geniuses for Huckabee!
HaraldHardrada on January 22, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Dude, I haven’t owned a bicycle in like 25 years.
Pablo on January 22, 2008 at 6:40 PM
My husband and I are saddened that Fred has dropped out. I have made the decision, made it a long time ago, that whether he made it to November or not, I’d be voting for Fred. I’m not voting for any of the other Republicans nor the almost-impossible-to-tell-apart Democrats because I will not give my one-and-only vote to someone I don’t trust.
I feel that it is time for me to stop trying to be part of the GOP. I have for the past 5-6 years considered myself a conservative, even a federalist, and have thought to align myself with the Republicans. This is because our politcal system does not support more than two ‘real’ parties. But as I slogged through this 7-page post, I’m starting to realize that I might not be alone in feeling that the GOP doesn’t stand for the same conservative principles that it did back in the day. I know and respect the fact that not all Republicans are conservative, and that there are many facets of conservatism that one may or may not adhere to. I’m not really sure where this leaves me, though. I hate to think that at 25 I feel so jaded and without a political voice that I’m about to stop participating in the process.
In conclusion (sorry for being so wordy lately!), sad that my man is gone, can’t get behind anyone else, but I hope for America that Huck gets chucked!
the goddess anna on January 22, 2008 at 6:40 PM
[PUNCH!]
Don’t feed the troll!
aero on January 22, 2008 at 6:40 PM
So let’s see now, 100 + 80 plus = 180 plus IQ.
Who could not be impressed?
Albert Einstein had an IQ estimated at 160 plus and was able to develop The Theory of Relativity.
We are all ears.
So when are you publishing your replacement Unified Theory now?
MB4 on January 22, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Et tu, MB4?
[PUNCH!]
Don’t feed the troll!
aero on January 22, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Fred:
Your local jurisdiction “laboratories” are just shuffling illegals from one US community to another. Some may be going home, but that is because of the housing slowdown more than local crackdowns. Now, I will not call you a bigot or claim we cannot deport that many illegals. I will assume a crack down on employers, landlords, benefits and “sanctuaries” that coerces all illegal to “voluntarily” return within a reasonable amount of time — say a year.
Most estimate the illegal population to be 12 to 20 million. Some say as high as 30 million people. If you count dependents that may or may not be American citizens, the number could be higher. That is a massive population wave. Think 2 to 5 times the entire population of AZ. If we were to use deportation and/or economic coercion to force this entire population back on the near failed Mexican state it will fail, resulting in economic chaos, extreme poverty, even mass starvation. Our economy is so strong that we can absorb this wave of humanity without significant negative consequences, but sending them all back over any reasonable time frame would be devastating and destabilizing for Mexico. Millions could die. Not only will we lose our nannies and gardeners, but we will earn a reputation similar to the Turks in the Armenian genocide. Plus, a chaotic economically crushed Mexico will destabilize our Southern border unless we turn that part of our country into a police state.
We could have closed our border and forced Mexico to deal with its population and economic problems as it developed, but we did not. We allowed our porous border to serve as a pressure valve for Mexico’s surging population. The wave of immigrants is so huge, massive beyond comprehension almost, that it is like the genie that cannot be put back into the bottle without unspeakable cruelty.
tommylotto on January 22, 2008 at 6:44 PM
jwp1964 on January 22, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Cry me a river, tommylotto!
Sir Andrew on January 22, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Einstein I.Q. was 204 I believe.
But if it was only 160…that’s going to give me an even bigger ego than I already have. Thank you for creating a monster.
HaraldHardrada on January 22, 2008 at 6:46 PM
OOPs last para was meant to be mine in previous post. Is there a way to edit previous comments?
I like your reasons, but I feel you left off the MAJOR reason conservatism is dead…the NEA has control of your children for 12 years and liberal professors get them for another 4-7 years, Until the schools are taken back and indoctrination by liberals is replaced with actual education conservatism has no chance. Our schools have been indoctrinating for several generations. My 8 year old niece can lecture me on why homosexuality is acceptable, but can’t spell it!!!
jwp1964 on January 22, 2008 at 6:44 PM
jwp1964 on January 22, 2008 at 6:47 PM
IQ, or no IQ, high/low, as you may choose to believe, but Hardrada = Hard-Ruler. Watch what you’re dealing with here – if Huckabee wins, those of you/us picking on HH will be very sorry. Heh, maybe HH is Huckabee. Believe (what you wish), but this is not to be taken lightly.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 6:47 PM
*sob*
AUINSC on January 22, 2008 at 6:47 PM
School choice: another reason to vote for Giuliani.
Big S on January 22, 2008 at 6:48 PM
aero, without trolls this site wouldn’t be what it is.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 6:49 PM
You believe wrong, genius.
Jawohl, mein liebe frau!
Pablo on January 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Not being one to leave a perfectly good dead horse unbeaten.
What would you do if Mitt dropped out?
Check this NEW poll out: http://www.thesitrep.com/pres.htm
TheSitRep on January 22, 2008 at 6:57 PM
I thought we were punching hippies…
sulla on January 22, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Too bad no one framed the debate correctly – McCain, Rudy, et al, do not offer amnesty because they require a minor fine. It is, instead, a reward of residency to the thieves who came here to steal it. Attrition is a winning national issue if framed corectly. Go check that Zogby poll and read it. Republicans AND Democrats want it. Why deny the electorate what they want? Especially because it rewards law abiding immigrants and our own citizens.
Just listen to the illegal aliens themselves telling the reporter why they are going home. No “genocide”, no fuss, just letting law enforcement take its steady toll in four state-wide jurisdictions, not just local.
And anyone who feels guilty about the poor should start a Marshall Plan for the country of their choice. Anything else is anarchy.
Shamesty ‘09 will be the eighth amnesty since 1986 – no matter how high and wide a fence (and we do need a fence, etc.), you will never stop the future flood if you keep rewarding people with the ill-gotten goods they came here to steal in the first place. We have been proving that over and over again for 30 years. Anyone who doesn’t understand this is doomed to more and more San Diego “It takes a Villages.”
fred5678 on January 22, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Valid IQ tests don’t even go that high you silly turkey. You need to remember Murphy’s First Rule of Holes.
MB4 on January 22, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Don’t feel sorry for me. I’m just pointing out that forcing them to return by either deportation or economic coercion (though attractive) is not realistic, anyone who says so is not telling the truth, or doesn’t know better.
tommylotto on January 22, 2008 at 7:07 PM
Succinct. Nicely done.
Armenia! “GENOCIDE”! Sheeesh. Here is the HOMICIDE I’m concerned about. And the rampant crime stories in the left-hand side at this site.
fred5678 on January 22, 2008 at 7:08 PM
No. But repeating that a guy can’t win several times a day on a public forum is getting closer. Ultimately, if people believe a candidate can’t win, he can’t.
Not that I’ll waste a second blaming you. It’s not like you were under some obligation to be positive to any candidate. And you put up links to his fund-raising campaigns, for those who supported him.
On to the next question: which of the remaining candidates stinks the least, and might actually try to keep conservatives reasonably happy.
tom on January 22, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Would this be the same American voters that elected Clinton? Twice?
tom on January 22, 2008 at 7:18 PM
So, Fred, what’s your prediction if we cause a massive wave of 20 plus million displaced people to flood into Mexico? What do you think it will do to the Mexican economy? Do you care, or is it their problem? Whatever your prediction is, what impact on the US will there be by having that situation just South of our border?
tommylotto on January 22, 2008 at 7:21 PM
“attractive” – yes we agree! A majority of Republicans and Democrats want it, and the states want it. And it’s working. Attractive, indeed!! Realistic, too! We win all around!
Anyone not admitting these facts is simply dishonest. Or an ostrich. Read the stories and weep. Listen to them and weep for them.
Four state legislatures, including Arizona with a Democrat governor, passed these recent laws. I guess they “don’t know better” about the dire conditions in their home states.
I weap instead for the many slain officers trying to arrest illegal aliens.
fred5678 on January 22, 2008 at 7:21 PM
OK, I take it all back..
Tommylotto is not the only obnoxious anal cavity around here. And at least he isn’t a close minded, religious bigot of limited intellectual prowess.
First of all, Jerk, I’m not a mormon, never have been. Second of all, I’m not a Romney supporter, and never have been.
I am to the point that I’ll have to vote for him as the ONLY one that is at least a centrist; The rest are either liberals in disguise, or loons (or both).
Do a little research and find some ACTUAL things I have said or done if you want any credibility at all.
LegendHasIt on January 22, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Well, some troll-baiting is fun, I agree. But this one gets out of hand way too easily and crosses over into genuinely offensive commentary.
But I’ll stop punching troll feeders, just for you. ;-)
aero on January 22, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Fred was pro-choice? When did this happen?
Oh, wait. Only in tommylotto world. Never mind.
tom on January 22, 2008 at 7:29 PM
No flood. No waves. Just a nice steady, humane flow homeward.
So now that you agree that we must employ attrition, your only concern is the consequence of corrupt Mexico not being able to continue to deport their own citizens to America and greedily accept the annual $20 B in remittances?
Why not join this Mexican delegation?
It is not our problem to employ, at serf wages, their citizens. If you genuinely care, start a Marshall plan. Anarchy is not the solution to any economic problem.
Enough troll feeding. Back to work. See you tomorrow after you have finished your reading assignments.
fred5678 on January 22, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Do not lump Rudy in with McCain. Rudy never supported McCain’s proposed legislation with its absurd Z-Visa. Rudy has committed to closing the border and identifying every non-citizen in the US, but has been silent on what to do with the wave of immigrants already here. He most likely will offer those without criminal records and with a steady work history some path to citizenship if they pay a fine and learn English, how high a fine and other details have not been fleshed out because the public is too emotional about the topic right now. People like you are unwittingly proposing impossible and unspeakable cruelty. Chances are that once the border is secure and the wave of illegal immigrants has been stopped, the criminals have all been deported and some attrition has taken place, then emotions will not be so raw and a reasonable deal can be reached allowing the good ones to become citizens.
tommylotto on January 22, 2008 at 7:33 PM
You’re obviously one of those damn (supposedly) smart lawyers that either is as dumb as rock or you just don’t care to educate yourself or you are profiting from the trade of illegal aliens.
I figure it’s a bit of all the above, judging by every other commenter’s view of you in here.
Mcguyver on January 22, 2008 at 7:35 PM
Yep.
When you look at the field, it was like each faction of the Reagan coalition had someone appealing to it: Rudy for the national defense conservatives, Romney for the fiscal conservatives, Huckabee for the social conservatives, Paul for the 1914-era conservatives, McCain for the pseudo-conservatives*. But only Fred had a shot at the full Reagan coalition.
I think what we’ve seen here (very oversimplified) is each type of conservative picking their candidate and counting on the other types of conservatives to have to vote for their guy just to keep Hillary from winning. And now here we are without a clear front-runner. Ironic, since that was the whole point of the front-loaded primaries this time. Looks like the primary system is badly broken.
* I would class McCain as a national defense conservative, but you can’t undercut the real president in time of war and still be a national defense conservative. You can’t oppose tax cuts and still be a fiscal conservative. You can’t unite with Teddy to push amnesty and still be a social conservative.
tom on January 22, 2008 at 7:40 PM
I could have mentioned that control of education by liberals as well, but I didn’t want to do an epic comment.
steveegg on January 22, 2008 at 7:40 PM
A steady flow over a year would be at the rate of 54,795 people per day (the equivalent of a moderate sized city per day) for 365 straight days. Over 5 years it would still be over 10,958 people per day (the equivalent of a small sized city per day) over 1,825 straight days. There are not that many villages in Mexico. There is not that much food. There will be death and destruction. It will not be humane.
tommylotto on January 22, 2008 at 7:43 PM
He is. That’s not to say that he likes abortion, but he explicitly says that choice is necessary. His “pro-life” record is based around the fact that he agrees with many of the steps that the pro-life lobby would like to take in order to minimize the number of abortions. However, he won’t go over the line and say that he would work to prohibit abortion. He’s functionally pro-choice.
Big S on January 22, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Whether or not attrition by enforcement is humane, the real point is that it just won’t work. As you said earlier, the immigrants are not so much going home to Mexico (or wherever), but to the easiest place for them to live. For some, it is going back home, but for others, they just go to different states. If all states were to do the same thing, many of them would just be pushed underground, as Fred said in that video you linked. In fact, they would probably end up living in shantytowns like the one being discussed on this board, since life there is probably better than where a lot of these people came from. At that point, forcible deportation would be the only other thing the government could do.
Big S on January 22, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Yet here we are, exactly as I said we would. AND I’ve been saying it since LAST SUMMER. Me thinks thoust doest protesteth too much.
csdeven on January 22, 2008 at 7:51 PM
Good. Then we wont have to hear that vile gibotry spewed from your pie hole any longer.
csdeven on January 22, 2008 at 7:54 PM
You completely left out that he wants to make the decision to outlaw abortion a state-level decision. In other words, he would be in favor of states being allowed to make abortion illegal. Net, that is pro-life.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Don’t get your hopes up.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2008 at 7:57 PM
TSR, with those choices, poison me (btw, thanks for the succintly written up stock tip :)
This is where your logic fails you my dear csdeven. HH is really on your side, and is doing all in his power to get your man, Mitt, elected.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Ah HA. OK RushBaby, permission granted. Swipe away!
I’ll even add a few for good measure:
Hucka-BEE-nejad
Huckabee-nejad
Huckabi-nejad
HUCK-a-BEE-ne-JAD
Ahhh, that felt GOOOD.
Shirotayama on January 22, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Bwahahahaha!!!
You aren’t worthy of their angst. What you are experiencing is what we call around here “disgust”.
disgust: to offend the good taste, moral sense, etc., of; cause extreme dislike or revulsion in: Your vulgar remarks disgust me
You sir are a vile gibot.
csdeven on January 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Tough! They should learn to take care of themselves it is not MY responsibility to pick up their tab. If they don’t want to starve they need to work on building get a better economy and/or quit breeding faster than they can support themselves.
jwp1964 on January 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM
How about this one RB
Huck-a-BEENS-full?
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM
That’s partially true…I did flirt with the idea of endorsing Romney for a while, early on…that is until I discovered he is completely unelectable.
HaraldHardrada on January 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM
If you keep doing the (good) job you are, he will be. Believe, I know this to be so.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Lump. Lump.
and reward them with what they came here to steal – residency. Real smart.
No. He vociferously defended the three categories of illegal aliens he did not deport/report from NYC.
Every illegal alien has committed a misdemeanor by entering the first time without permission. In Mexico this is a felony, as you know. Or should know.
after-the-fact bribe. No different that paying a BP agent before-the-fact.
Only the ‘public’ who keeps mentioning Armenian GENOCIDE. Sob. Sob.
Sob. No, they are just pissed that they have to go home.
It will NEVER stop if people like you and Rudy, et al, keep rewarding them with what they came here to steal. Duh.
You mean every illegal alien who has: 1) stolen an ID (felony), 2) made one up ($250,000 fine), 3) got paid in cash (ask IRS if YOU can do this and avoid taxes)
GENOCIDE!!!
See above for which crime was committed to work. Which crime was ‘good’?
Now as “citizens” we will need 30 million more to replace them as low paid serfs. Smart. Real smart.
Now that was fun, Tommy. More tomorrow.
Your assignment for tonight: Ask Rudy what he would do with this.
fred5678 on January 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Turns out Fred only had heartburn, not a fire in the belly.
A shame Chuck Norris secretly slipped him some TUMS.
Romney-Rudy 2008.
Somebody give tommylotto a sombrero to cry in.
The synthetic tears of the p.c. are so sad.
Muy loco en La Cabeza..
profitsbeard on January 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM
If you keep doing the (good) job you are, he will be.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 8:02 PM
, he will be electable (Romney).
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Do you really think Jeri should abdicate her responsibilities as a mother of young children to satisfy your need to get ANY Thompson in office?
csdeven on January 22, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Chauvanist.
MadisonConservative on January 22, 2008 at 8:09 PM
HUH? You are going to have to explain that one to me.
Well, if it makes you feel better; you called the outcome of Fred’s candidacy pretty darn accurately. I’m pretty sure that you were wrong-headed about some of the ‘Fred Facts’ but that is an entirely moot point anymore. No matter the reasons, the outcome is pretty much as you predicted.
On the moderation of your manner, I’ve already congratulated you on a few times. The only real problem I have ever had with you is your early TONE on the Fred Threads.
Now that Fred is ‘Dead’, and you are acting like a grown-up I doubt that there will be much real acrimony between you and I.
LegendHasIt on January 22, 2008 at 8:13 PM
There is a certain logic there, just as tommylotto is doing all he can to defeat Rudy.
The $64,000 is, do either of them realize this.
MB4 on January 22, 2008 at 8:14 PM
It’s considered pro-life now, but that’s just because many pro-lifers view that as their first step towards outlawing abortion. However, Fred never said that he was against others making the decision to allow abortion, or even to have an abortion. By definition, that is pro-choice.
Big S on January 22, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Hey, tell that to Fred. He’s the one who said his family was more important than the office.
csdeven on January 22, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Well, it makes me sick he quit but, at least I got a nice coffee cup outta the deal. I suppose I’ll put my check next to Romney now.
boomer on January 22, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Glad you saw that! I was going to make sure, if it had to be done in another thread.
RushBaby on January 22, 2008 at 8:26 PM
It’s official then: Fred’s out. So I’m sitting this one out.
With any luck the Democrats will follow their regular form and squander the 2 years of complete Federal control we just handed them like they did the last time. I don’t want to consider the alternative.
If we still have a free country in two years maybe I’ll drop by to discuss the 2010 Congressionals. Until then, many blessings upon you and your families.
Browncoatone on January 22, 2008 at 8:50 PM
HH does – do I get the $32,000?
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 8:52 PM
I saw the 666 comments and figured I should add one so that HA doesn’t get possessed. 667.
malan89 on January 22, 2008 at 8:59 PM
I’ve done that once before. Good on ya.
RushBaby on January 22, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Well, some troll-baiting is fun, I agree. But this one gets out of hand way too easily and crosses over into genuinely offensive commentary.
aero on January 22, 2008 at 7:27 PM
asc85 on January 22, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Unfortunately, you’re very, very right. Unfortunately, I’d say in the past six months that the civility on this site has drastically gone down.
I still enjoy this site, and especially find the video links to be really, really good. But compared to a year ago, when things were more civil, and when MM used to do more Vents, HotAir just ain’t as good as it used to be.
asc85 on January 22, 2008 at 9:06 PM
asc85 on January 22, 2008 at 9:07 PM
I have to agree.
fourstringfuror on January 22, 2008 at 9:13 PM
No.
Being right is it’s own reward.
MB4 on January 22, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Yeah. But back then we had nothing to argue about, everyone here thought the View was crazy. It’s probably naive, but I hope that it returns to it’s previous level after the primaries.
Spirit of 1776 on January 22, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Indeed.
Besides, I forgot the /kidding.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 9:29 PM
You have no idea whether I personally have the moral strength and or immoral strength to coercively move 20 million people from a country of unlimited hope into a third world crap hole of despair. I just might have that strength if it means a better life for my children (and it would, I live in LA). That is not the point. The point is that, and I am sure everyone reading this will agree, we, as at nation, simply do not have the will to act with such unspeakable cruelty. We can hardly fund our troops in time of war and you guys think we can coerce a population the size of the entire state of Texas into a nightmare migration back to a dysfunctional and soon to be failed state.
So there is no point in even discussing it. We need to come to grips with reality and cut the best deal for our children, just like Fred suggested in that video I linked to earlier.
tommylotto on January 22, 2008 at 9:30 PM
I’m guessing it will. Right now it’s kinda like the gym right after New Years–all the annoying resolutioners show up for a couple of months determined to take off the holiday pounds, then they gradually disappear again, leaving the die-hards alone with the weight machines again.
aero on January 22, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Aero, good analogy. I expect it’s true.
Spirit of 1776 on January 22, 2008 at 9:31 PM
That’s right, so we should just let them stay here and flood our emergency rooms, rape our women, form gangs, smuggle drugs, steal education and welfare, and not speak our language!
Because the destruction of America is ‘realistic’! We should embrace our defeat! It is an inevitability!
But no no no no, we don’t have to deport them or be defeated…we can compromise! We’ll let them stay, they can pay a fine, and they can continue on deflating wages, raping, murdering, and stealing! Then we can put them on the path to citizenship! Won’t they just make fine citizens!
/sarcasm.
Sir Andrew on January 22, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Popped in for a minute…. oy! What’s all this talk about voting for McCain, Romney and Giuliani!? Don’t any of you realize the danger you’re placing your country in? None of them can beat Hillary Clinton, and if she get’s into power it’s the END of America! Do you people take stupid pills?
apacalyps on January 22, 2008 at 10:28 PM
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