Now it can be told: Carl Cameron says he knew all along that Fred was only in it for the VP nomination; Update: Hit piece? Update: What did Fox know and when did they know it?

posted at 5:56 pm on January 22, 2008 by Allahpundit

Too bad to check, although it’d certainly explain his half-hearted campaigning. He wanted to be VP, was surprised to find major buzz behind a presidential run, took a stab at it to see if he could convert the buzz into votes, and then predictably flamed out when he half-assed it.

I don’t quite believe it, but Cameron mentioned something about this yesterday too on FNC. Can it be? Can the whole Fredhead phenomenon be nothing but a lark spun off from a stunt aimed at raising Fred’s profile to the point where he’d be viable as John McCain’s number two?

Update: Excruciating: “I sent off a resume to the campaign in, oh, seems like about May, and never heard from them.”

Update: A reader e-mails to remind us (snidely) that Cameron’s been hammering Fred ever since his pal Jim Mills was hired away from FNC by the campaign and then summarily fired a few weeks later, leaving him high and dry. I’ve noted that intriguing background detail myself in previous posts. I don’t know anything about Cameron to make me think he’d be so vindictive as to invent details to smear a disfavored subject, but there’s your grain of salt.

Update: Jack M. tells Ace that he heard the same rumors about Fred sniffing around for a VP nomination back when Cameron claims to have heard them, from which Ace mines this quandary:

Carl Cameron most likely let his fellow Foxies in on the Big Secret he was keeping confidential. This almost certainly distorted FoxNews’ coverage of Fred Thompson, which was strangely antipathetic towards him. Fred complained that he wasn’t getting much play at Fox, and there does seem to be some evidence for that.

Fred Thompson should have enjoyed a fairly warm reception at conservative-leaning, Reagan-revering Fox — and yet he seems not to. Why? Well, perhaps because Fox was acting as if Cameron’s scoop were true… while not telling their audience the reasons for their behavior.

Which leads to serious questions. If FoxNews was sitting on an undisclosed scoop they could not reveal due to oaths of secrecy, should they then behave according to that knowledge?

Did they behave according to that knowledge? I’m skeptical; the alleged FNC bias against Fred has always seemed dubious to me. Remember too who sponsored the debate at which Fred was given his big chance to hammer Huckabee and which correspondent it was who granted him that time.

Update: Another point and a question. If the rumors even trickled down to congressional staffers like Jack then surely Cameron wasn’t the only member of the media to hear of them. There’s no reason to think they colored FNC’s coverage any more than any other net’s (unless you buy the revenge-for-Mills theory). But in that case, why is today the first we’re hearing of this? Cameron says he was sworn to secrecy but surely not everyone who got wind of it, like Jack, had made promises to his source. And it’s juicy enough — not scandal-juicy but intrigue-juicy — to make it worth the while of some reporter hunting for scoops to have dug around and tossed it out there during the campaign. The fact that no one did makes me think it’s paper-thin.

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So the way I’m seeing it when Fred let Cameron’s buddy go the two of them might have cooked up some kind of story about how Fred wanted the VP spot more then the whole enchilada. Pass that around the Fox news room and apathy towards Fred builds. Once Fred complains a bit they throw him a bone durring a debate.

Good to know wacky conspiracy theories aren’t confined to one end of the political spectrum!

Face facts, people – Fred ran a pretty lackluster campaign. (And I say that as someone who likes him.)The only thing you have to blame, is Fred himself.

Levy on January 23, 2008 at 3:11 AM

Connie on January 23, 2008 at 12:29 AM

So, I’ve never felt that it was a legitimate manner in which to address this and, first of all, it should be left to the states, the 10th Amendment

I’ve never fully understood the 10th amendment argument against abortion. The 10th says something else, too:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Big S on January 23, 2008 at 4:33 AM

You get the Government YOU deserve… Nothing truer said… Follow the Media.. enjoy the Medias watered down choices :)

LibsREvilDoers on January 23, 2008 at 6:16 AM

Where’s the beer!?!?!?

lsutiger on January 23, 2008 at 6:37 AM

In today’s climate there is no amount of money a non liberal contender for the office of the president of the United States can amass to offset the well coordinated, 24 hour a day, seven day a week cabal, which is the liberal mainstream media. Just like in the reality show, Survivor, the strongest opponents are whacked early in the game. Of the two fair-haired children John McCain is probably the most liberal while Mike Huckabee, the snake handler may be a tad more socially conservative. Either one of these patsies will do just fine.

The media politicos must be popping the cork on the bubbly today, as Fred Thompson withdrew. The field has now been shaped so that a Democrat victory is all but a fait accompli. No self respecting conservative would ever support John McCain just as no snake handling, evangelical would ever vote for Mitt Romney. Myself, being a secular hard-core conservative could never vote for a Jimmy Carter light found in Mike Huckabee.
There is only one task at hand now for the Marxist media, and that is to destroy Romney.

TheSitRep on January 23, 2008 at 7:01 AM

snake handling

I feel sorry for TheSitRep. He obviously has never met a normal Christian, so he repeatedly characterizes us by the one-hundredth of one per cent who practice goofy stunts.

jgapinoy on January 23, 2008 at 7:40 AM

HaraldHardrada, apacalyps

Man, it’s disturbing reading the posts of these guys. No wonder the republicans keep giving us candidates that are leading us down the same road as the democrats. The nasty temperment and dishonesty of these guys is exactly what you see at the leftist blogs. There really is a psychosis/sociopathy spreading through our society and those afflicted seem to grasp at any ideology, twisting it angrily to fit their own personal demons.

peacenprosperity on January 23, 2008 at 8:01 AM

peacenprosperity on January 23, 2008 at 8:01 AM

It’s simpler than that. Those two are simply religious bigots.

csdeven on January 23, 2008 at 8:46 AM

IF Fred is who our Fredheads say he is, Fred was in this because he believed he could help his country. Additional, if true, he will wait, access the situation and his next actions will be grounded in doing what is best for this country. I think he should run for a senate or House seat from Tennessee in 08. Unless the deadline has passed then maybe in 2010.

csdeven on January 23, 2008 at 8:50 AM

assess the situation.

csdeven on January 23, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Sadly, this is not the only time that FoxNews has had a vendetta on someone who they believe has dissed them. Fred actually received better coverage from CNN and NBC.

The unwritten rule at Fox News is that anyone who complains about their coverage will be taken to the wood shed.

Unfortunately, Fred’s complaining while on Fox about Fox’s jaded view of him (actually Barnes and Krauthammer were not favorable) only begot more jaded coverage.

Captain America on January 23, 2008 at 9:05 AM

I think — there is no way that Fred wants the VP slot. Nor, logically, would it be offered to him. The VP slot goes to someone who can help prop up a ticket — someone from a big electoral college state (e.g. New York, California, etc.) — or someone from an “identify” demographic (e.g. Latino, Black, Female, etc.)
Going for an old conservative white guy like Fred would add squat to the ticket — conservatives ain’t gonna vote for a ticket with McLame on the top no how.

SunSword on January 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM

I’m starting to think Romney with Fred filling the roll of Dick Cheney!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 23, 2008 at 9:27 AM

SunSword on January 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM

I don’t know if Fred would want the VP slot, but I think he would have to be considered by McCain, Rudy, or Romney. Each would need a trusted conservative to balance the ticket, preferably a southerner. Certainly there are other choices (Barbour or Sanford for example), but he fits the bill.

flyfisher on January 23, 2008 at 9:35 AM

Running for VP, to be among such notables a Spiro Agnew, Al Gore…
Finish the sentence: Running for VP is like………

right2bright on January 23, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Even though I think Fred should be considered for VP, I don’t think he is the best choice for the party. One reason we have the mess (aside from all the ideological issues) we have now is because Cheney isn’t running. We need someone who would be the natural successor in 2012 or 2016. Fred is already 65 and he didn’t exactly impress with his energy and vigor. I don’t know a whole lot about Mark Sanford’s ideology or record, but he is an impressive guy who is 47. Agewise would be just right in 2012 or 2016. Barbour is a great governor, but he is only a few years younger than Fred.

flyfisher on January 23, 2008 at 9:52 AM

I’ve been paying attention to Campaign Carl Cameron since this began. He has always shilled for the current leader and slammed the others when he got the opportunity.

csdeven on January 23, 2008 at 10:01 AM

Sadly, this is not the only time that FoxNews has had a vendetta on someone who they believe has dissed them.

Captain America on January 23, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Not that I disagree, but who else were you thinking of that had received that treatment?

MadisonConservative on January 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM

…someone from a big electoral college state (e.g. New York, California, etc.) — or someone from an “identify” demographic (e.g. Latino, Black, Female, etc.)

Yeah, like, ummm, Wyoming?

jdawg on January 23, 2008 at 10:26 AM

I’m starting to think Romney with Fred filling the roll of Dick Cheney!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 23, 2008 at 9:27 AM

I think I could actually support that ticket. Mitt would be all smiles, while Fred would punch all the hippies out of ear/camera shot.

jdawg on January 23, 2008 at 10:28 AM

There really is a psychosis/sociopathy spreading through our society and those afflicted seem to grasp at any ideology, twisting it angrily to fit their own personal demons.

peacenprosperity on January 23, 2008 at 8:01 AM

Ouch. I think what’s spreading through our society is called human nature. The personal demon reference seem ironic.

horatio on January 23, 2008 at 12:04 PM

How about Fred for AG?
Is there something that disqualifies him?
>wtbso

jerrytbg on January 23, 2008 at 12:47 PM

“those insiders” that Cameron & Co. fail to name, again Allahpundit, kicking a man when he’s down, promoting a rumor that everyone knows in order to be another vain assassin.

maverick muse on January 23, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Welp, Fred is out. Too bad about that, Fredheads.

btw. in case you were wondering where I was the past 3 days, I went to the Pro-Life March in Washington DC. We left early Sunday morning and didn’t get back until midnight last night.

There were tens of thousands of people, possibly over 100,000. Expect the media to report a smaller number, they always do. I didn’t even see a pro-abortion protester, but we filled the entire width of the street basically from start to finish.

BKennedy on January 23, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Fred is an oaf

Opinionnation on January 22, 2008 at 10:02 PM

And you’re an ass.

Sir Andrew on January 23, 2008 at 1:50 PM

I’m starting to think Romney with Fred filling the roll of Dick Cheney!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 23, 2008 at 9:27 AM

And Mitt Romney can be another George W. Bush!

Won’t that do well for the conservative movement!

Sir Andrew on January 23, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Cameron = Nelson Muntz

maverick muse on January 23, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Good to know wacky conspiracy theories aren’t confined to one end of the political spectrum!

Face facts, people – Fred ran a pretty lackluster campaign. (And I say that as someone who likes him.)The only thing you have to blame, is Fred himself.

Levy on January 23, 2008 at 3:11 AM

I hate to Ombuds an ombudsman but you left out the portion of my post where I tried to get that across.

liquidflorian on January 23, 2008 at 2:22 PM

And Mitt Romney can be another George W. Bush!

Won’t that do well for the conservative movement!

Sir Andrew on January 23, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Better another George W. Bush than another William J. Clinton. McCain isn’t any better in this regard, and Romney is the more conservative of the two. He’s also level-headed and won’t be compelled to snark everyone at any given moment.

George W. Bush certainly hasn’t been a perfect President -they never are, even Ronaldus Maximus – but he has given us serveral good things. Who thinks the Supreme Court improved with Roberts and Alito? Many people do, and the people who don’t all happen to be left wing pro-abortion ACLU loving Democrats.

Bush failed at revamping social security, but at least he was willing to put up a fight over it.

Bush took the War on Terror seriously and continues to steadfastly defend it.

Really, Bush’s weakness is the same as Reagan’s – the amnesty. He’s also an abjectly horrible communicator.

Nonetheless, for a “lame duck president” even Democrat’s admit he’s squishing congress left and right. Bush got in hot water and sub-30 polls because he offended his base, not because he inspires fear and hatred in Democrats.

BKennedy on January 23, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Fred has Gravitas!
(I felt like someone had to say that)

sleepy-beans on January 23, 2008 at 3:36 PM

He is out & they still go after his integrity.
Tells you alot about Fred Thompson..

lobosan5 on January 23, 2008 at 4:06 PM

lobosan5 on January 23, 2008 at 4:06 PM

So very true and a good reason to put his name here everytime you can.

jerrytbg on January 23, 2008 at 4:47 PM

BKennedy on January 23, 2008 at 3:03 PM

I knew you’d say something I agreed with sooner or later…

You may not agree with this, but Bush seems better to me than all the candidates vying to take his place.

tom on January 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I have a stack of Fred08 stickers if anyone is interested.

Buttercup on January 23, 2008 at 5:36 PM

People got scammed into donating then, Fox should get sued.

Chakra Hammer on January 23, 2008 at 5:45 PM

This is the tripe that the MSM moderates are using to cover up for taking down the only candidate who has enumerated conservative principals and all but assured the GOP that they’ll have a moderate candidate that no one will be able to get behind. Listen to Rush break down Fred Barnes’ analysis of McCain and McCain needing to go to Rush to get anointed. Laughable.

It’s a kiss ass attempt to get back favor with conservatives by saying, “See we were right! He really duped you and we just protected your naive backside from his manipulation.” Who cares how or why he got into the race to begin with? What the hell does it really matter at all? Did he put up a good agenda? How does it compare now with the choices you’re left with? They got some great policies you can rally behind, or are you saying… ‘Well.. it’s not too bad… at least it’s not as bad as what Obama and Hillary would do.’ I can’t believe this mentality. That’s like the NY Giants coming out and saying, “Well maybe we’ll win because we’re the underdog. I mean, even though the Patriot’s never lost a Super Bowl, they haven’t been playing their last games that intensely. If we stay focused they’ll tire out and we can sneak in a win.”

You hope it’s Mitt but in the end, can you see him go up against Hillary and Bill? He’s mince meat. Very easy to take down and his support is wafer thin and soft. The left will wake up and vote in a land slide and conservatives will vote if they get off work early enough.

Sultry Beauty on January 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM

While I liked Fred positions, he could not communicate them to save his campaign.

I absolutely detest Huckabee, and will be voting for Mitt.

My hatred aside, I really think the Huckster would be the perfect choice as Mitt’s VP. It might solve the irrational evangelical problem.

Haldol on January 23, 2008 at 5:58 PM

This is the tripe that the MSM moderates are using to cover up for taking down the only candidate who has enumerated conservative principals and all but assured the GOP that they’ll have a moderate candidate that no one will be able to get behind.

Sultry Beauty on January 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM

I think Republicans and conservatives are probably going to have at least four years to analyze what went wrong, and the influence the MSM, (including Fox News), had over the race is going to be scrutinized. Maybe this is just a preemptive attempt by Fox News to CYA.

Let’s all hope that the MSM learns a lesson from this! Bwaaa ha ha ha! Yeah, right…. Next time they’ll flex their muscle even more, but maybe at some point the people will decide to strip that muscle from the bone and have it for lunch.

FloatingRock on January 23, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Let’s all hope that the MSM learns a lesson from this! Bwaaa ha ha ha! Yeah, right…. Next time they’ll flex their muscle even more, but maybe at some point the people will decide to strip that muscle from the bone and have it for lunch.

FloatingRock on January 23, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Actually, in all honesty, the lesson to learn is for the next Fred-in-waiting: if you want to behave as if the world is different than what it actually is, you’re going to lose. It doesn’t matter how noble you are and what great ideas you represent, pretending that you set all the rules is a recipe for failure.

When your opponents start earlier than your you can say “I started at the right time, and they were way early.” Not going to help you.

When you dis an early primary state you can say all you want “it doesn’t matter” or “they should only consider my ideas”. Not going to help you.

When you hire a guy from the only conservative cable news organization and fire him quickly causing him personal hardship, you can say “that news organization should only care about substance.” Let me abbreviate: Ngthy.

When Dr. Dobson says you’re not a Christian, you can tell him to go to hell because that the fair response. Ngthy.

When you make unexpectedly short speeches to ardent supporters and leave them disappointed, and never bother to explain your behavior, you could say…hm…I don’t know what you can say, but Ngthy.

This can go on for a long time, but the moral of the story is this: this world has rules. Almost nobody can change the rules, and those who can have to be in an incredibly strong position. For the rest, those who can figure the rules out the best win.

Igor R. on January 23, 2008 at 8:26 PM

You hope it’s Mitt but in the end, can you see him go up against Hillary and Bill? He’s mince meat. Very easy to take down and his support is wafer thin and soft. The left will wake up and vote in a land slide and conservatives will vote if they get off work early enough.

Sultry Beauty on January 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Mitt beat the libs who run Massachusetts in his election bid. He’s gone toe-to-toe with libs before and won.

McCain? He gives them a great big bear hug, which is why all the MSM attacks are aimed at Mitt and not McCain.

BKennedy on January 23, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Rudy won in NY City and got attacked by the NY Times all time.

Rudy knows how to handle and beat liberals.

Chakra Hammer on January 23, 2008 at 9:18 PM

I don’t think the VP position would be a good fit for Thompson. Given his background and experience I think he would make an outstanding Attorney General.

Not only has he been a prosecutor but he has played one on TV.

I especially like him for that position given his ideas about Federalism and the proper role of the Federal government.

schmuck281 on January 23, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Rudy won in NY City and got attacked by the NY Times all time.

Rudy knows how to handle and beat liberals.

Chakra Hammer on January 23, 2008 at 9:18 PM

That’s good, but Rudy really needs to make his stand in Florida if he wants a chance to win it all. Personally I think he’s great on everything except social issues and private morality. Then again it seems it takes a crook to beat crooks. I’d definitely put him in as AG or SecDef, but keep him away from the Top Executive.

Rudy is a smart, competent guy, but he brushes away skeletons to get to his clothes in the morning.

BKennedy on January 23, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Rudy is a smart, competent guy, but he brushes away skeletons to get to his clothes in the morning.

BKennedy on January 23, 2008 at 11:22 PM

And Mitt changes is positions faster than his Magic underpants.

Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 3:45 AM

And Mitt changes is positions faster than his Magic underpants.

Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 3:45 AM

Once (and only once) 6 years or so ago hardly competes with, among other things: crossdressing videos on Youtube, three divorces, various immigration foibles, and various acts of insentivive boorishness on the “wow this guy has problems” scale.

BKennedy on January 24, 2008 at 4:16 AM

Immigration..

Mitt Romney..

I actually thought that John McCain’s Immigration plan was reasonable and quite different from Amnesty before I saw a public opinion poll and decided to call it Amnesty..
—————————–
Sanctuary Mansion
—————-
I “saw” my Father marching with Martin Luther King jr. lie
(Then on MLK day, he starts singing “who let the dogs out”)
—————————————————-

I’m a lifelong hunter
————
Mitt “I got the endorsement from the NRA”

——————

Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 4:37 AM

Not to mention that 16-18% of the poopulation WILL NOT VOTE FOR A MORMON..

Period..

Gallup:Percentage Unwilling to Vote for a Mormon Holds Steady

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/mormoncandidate121107graph5.gif

People would vote for a Catholic, Black, Jewish, Woman or Hispanic before they would vote for a Mormon

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/mormoncandidate121107graph6.gif

Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 4:40 AM

BKennedy, sounds more like Ted Kennedy.. sheesh.. homer

Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 4:42 AM

*Preparing poll-guided missiles. Ready… Ignition!*

ABORT ABORT, DEEP DIVE IN RUDY NUMBERS, UP TAX RHETORIC 50%

GOOD GRACIOUS MAN! IT KEEPS PLUMMETTING… I… THIS IS MY LAST BROADCAST…

Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 4:40 AM

Hmmm.

Well, that was interesting.

BKennedy on January 24, 2008 at 5:57 AM

Mitt Romney = John Kerry carrying Bill Clinton’s Dictionary.

Chakra Hammer on January 24, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Mitt Romney John McCain

And that is good enough for me to get my vote.

Go Mitt!

SimplyKimberly on January 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM

whoops Mitt Romney != John McCain

SimplyKimberly on January 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Comrade Carl, well he should know

oldernslower on January 25, 2008 at 2:08 PM

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