Medved: McCain’s and Huckabee’s rise proves the impotence of conservative talk radio
posted at 7:28 pm on January 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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An intriguing point, I think. Huckabee’s insulated in a sense in that most of his supporters answer to an authority higher than Rush, and even so it’s safe to say that the constant attacks from the conservative punditocracy have helped chip away at his early frontrunner status. But how to explain McCain? Rush, Levin, Ingraham et al. have been giving him the kiss of death and he’s still got two primary wins and a lead in Florida under his belt. Is his good fortune a testament to Mitt’s and Fred’s comparative weakness or is this new evidence that talk radio has — horrors — not vastly more influence than the right-wing blogosphere?
The big loser in South Carolina was, in fact, talk radio: a medium that has unmistakably collapsed in terms of impact, influence and credibility because of its hysterical and one-dimensional involvement in the GOP nomination fight…
McCain and Huckabee are both decent and principled conservatives –and so, for that matter, are Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, and Duncan Hunter… Isn’t it about time for the nation’s other high profile talkers to join me in acknowledging that we’ve got a group of outstanding candidates each of whom, in his own way, represents different aspects of the Reagan legacy?
Exit question: Isn’t the real litmus test in Florida, where Dems and independents can’t vote and Maverick has to live or die by the whim of people who actually listen to conservative talk radio?
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True dat!
TheSitRep on January 22, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Precisely. Lets see what happens when dems and independents can’t spoil the outcome.
Romney/Thompson!
ctmom on January 22, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Dude, Medved had a disgusting three-hour love fest for McCain about two weeks ago and now that his callers are taking him to task with a backlash he’s becoming hysterical.
Like one caller said; “Mccain? I thought you were the thoughtful conservative!”
Nice try Medved, but you’ve lost all credibility.
Easy answer to the McCain thing is that most of our troops are supporting him.
NTWR on January 22, 2008 at 7:34 PM
Isn’t the real litmus test in Florida, where Dems and independents can’t vote and Maverick has to live or die by the whim of people who actually listen to conservative talk radio?
Maybe, you have to take McCain’s momentum, the media bonus he scores and the rest of the factors into consideration as well.
doubleplusundead on January 22, 2008 at 7:34 PM
I simply cannot understand McCain’s front-runner status.
John McCain quote of the year.
ColtsFan on January 22, 2008 at 7:34 PM
the problem with talk radio and most pundits, is they talk in theory and view everything that way. When governing is a whole different ballgame.
jp on January 22, 2008 at 7:35 PM
The bigger question is if base republicans are moving away from traditional conservative values in favor a McCain Huckabee redefinition. Can there be such a thing as a liberal conservative?
Kini on January 22, 2008 at 7:36 PM
The death of talk radio’s influence, and the brilliance of Medved are both overstated.
Huck has insular voters who think of themselves as conservative or Republican second. And McCain has won on the strength of independents as the exit polls have shown.
Spirit of 1776 on January 22, 2008 at 7:36 PM
Thanks ColtsFan.
Romney should put this in an add immediately. Was he joking?
NTWR on January 22, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Does anybody know how many super Tuesday states allow non-repubs to vote in the repub primary? I’ve tried to find the info but am not having any luck.
Bad Penny on January 22, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Yep, waiting to see what happens in Florida. I think that the influence of talk radio has diminished a bit, because of the rise of the blogs. But they still carry weight, and they are the reason for Hucks recent fall.
Let’s hope he hits the ground hard!
conservnut on January 22, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Talk radio is like blogs. No one, really, reads or listens to em.
lorien1973 on January 22, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Rush and Laura speak to conservatives, not to milquetoast moderates and democrats in dark suits and understated ties. New Hampshire and South Carolina don’t determine conservative thought. These first few contests were beauty pageants for the trendy picks. Once the Republican Primaries are left to the Republicans, the poseurs will be exposed.
Cold Steel on January 22, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Medved’s becoming the Linda Chavez of talk radio.
doubleplusundead on January 22, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Does Medved listen to Coservative talk radio?
Is that part of his oposition research?
EJDolbow on January 22, 2008 at 7:39 PM
I listen to Medved every day and usually enjoy him, but on this issue is completely and totally wrong. The reason he is taking this angle is because it validates his support of McCain (which I believe is due to the fact that he shares the open-borders viewpoint of McCain–Medved refused to admit that McCain supported amnesty even when I read to him one of the quotes from the 5/29/2003 Tucson Citizen on air and instead tried to start spinning that the 2007 bill wasn’t an amnesty bill. He also views McCain as most electable, so he’s basically choosing electability over compatibility) and these results fit his predetermined notions. Here are the reasons why Medved is wrong
1) McCain won in NH because its much more “liberatarian” state than others and he had a history from 2000.
2) Also, of the 4 states which have held primaries/caucauses, all allow Dems/independents to vote in them. So McCain surely got votes from some of them. I would like to see his results in a closed primary (such as FLA next week where I live).
3) The only reason McCain won SC was because the “real” conservative vote was split between Romney/Huckabee/Thompson. If one or two of those were removed from SC, pretty sure McCain wouldn’t have won.
4) Romney has the most delegates and most states won. All McCain has so far is the NH win (which again, isn’t a surprise) and the SC win (which is somewhat suprising, but not totally). Granted, we now see McCain supposedly leading national polls, etc…but wasn’t Huckabee in that same position 4-6 weeks ago?
truthmattersfa on January 22, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Heh, so my calling him the Linda Chavez of talk radio was spot on.
doubleplusundead on January 22, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Medved is full of himself. His old liberal roots are showing, tainted by a bit of jewishness that he never completely escapes.
Let’s see what happens when only republicans can vote.
Scotsman on January 22, 2008 at 7:41 PM
So are we mind-numbed robots or are we not? I’m confused. Circuits overloading. Must have guidance. Must have more input. Overload. Overload.
SouthernGent on January 22, 2008 at 7:41 PM
And what will they say when both vanish like marsh gas in a few weeks?
profitsbeard on January 22, 2008 at 7:41 PM
I’m sorry, but exactly WHEN does not voting for tax cuts, following the Global Warming theorists, pushing Digital TV because…Oh wait, there was no reason except for lobbyists, Campaign Finance Reform (How come there’s MORE money in politics now)….
I’m sorry but the Conservatives are NOT Huckabee and McCain. Why do I imagine Reagan/Jefferson rolling over in their graves now with that quote above.
HarryStar on January 22, 2008 at 7:42 PM
“Heh, so my calling him the Linda Chavez of talk radio was spot on.”
Yes. And to be honest, its very frustrating because I think he is spot on when dealing with most other issues. The only surprising thing is that he was against the DREAM Act (partially)–he did favor the military service to residency option of it.
truthmattersfa on January 22, 2008 at 7:44 PM
The Conservative Case against John McCain.
Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry has discussed the vice presidency with Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on several occasions, the most recent in the past two weeks, informed sources said yesterday. But the conversations have gone nowhere because McCain believes such a bipartisan ticket would not work and could weaken the presidency, they said.
And it gets even better here:
Yes, we all appreciate McCain’s service in the military.
But how can anybody say that John McCain is a conservative?
ColtsFan on January 22, 2008 at 7:45 PM
The problem with the Republicans today is that they are SO focused on trying to get as many votes as possible, that they abandon everything it means to be a conservative. Take this illegal immigration thing for example. The REASON Bush hasnt done crap on the issue is that he feels it will put the republican party at odds with latinos. WTF. If we run the party and policies not trying to offend anyone or do the tough things that need to be done just because it may hurt someones feelings and they may not vote for us immediately after, how the hell are we supposed to appeal to the vast majority of conservatives? The same thing happens with these talk radio people. They are so afraid to come out and say, I support THIS person, because they dont want to lose a little bit of audience. Does no one have balls anymore? Stand up for what you believe in, speak your mind, and explain your case as to why you support certain people, and your audience won’t shrink at all. I am tired of people being so touchy feely as to not offend anyone or alienate anyone, just do what is right for the country.
muyoso on January 22, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Come on. Admit it. A Rudy win in Florida would be sweet! You know it would. And if it comes to pass, does Rush get to take some credit for it? I’m just sayin’…
Rational Thought on January 22, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Litmus test? Ummm. The test is the primary process. I wouldn’t say any one state is a litmus test, and if I were to advocate a state for that role, I don’t think it would be, of all states, Florida. Anyway, IMHO, we will know shortly after Feb 5th who are likely nominee is.
But I do agree with those who say that the real RINOs (a term coined by blogs and talk radio) are those on talk radio and the blogs who are hinting they won’t vote for the Republican nominee.
bnelson44 on January 22, 2008 at 7:48 PM
I could not have said it better, Medved it looking for ratings
KBird on January 22, 2008 at 7:48 PM
This will pass.
captivated_dem on January 22, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Answer yes,but you mean Fred is still viable!
canopfor on January 22, 2008 at 7:49 PM
If it comes to pass Rush will take credit for it, I guarantee you.
bnelson44 on January 22, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Rush has taught his listeners well and we can tell a conservative from a poser. It will likely be Romney that most of us “dittoheads” end up supporting but we wish there was a better choice. The primary in Florida will be better test of where the conservative right truly stands.
drewas on January 22, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Your quoting rumors from 2004.
bnelson44 on January 22, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Which one went from first to third when he pissed Rush off?
They write what they want to believe not what they actually experience and see.
jukin on January 22, 2008 at 7:54 PM
I agree with both of them.
ninjapirate on January 22, 2008 at 7:54 PM
It’s actually the others in talk radio who are full of themselves in thinking that their listeners will follow them in sheep like mentality.
I would almost like to see MCcain win more just to piss off some of these arrogant losers in Republican Radio.
V15J on January 22, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Good point.
Last spring I had a hospital co-worker who described herself as a liberal, registered Democrat who was considering switching parties, solely due to the illegal immigration issue.
Then Bush pushed Amnesty down the country’s throats, and she now believes every Republican thinks the exact same way as George W.
ColtsFan on January 22, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Now you guys are saying Rush defines what conservatism is and is not? Boy, I wish Goldwater and Reagan were still alive! Don’t you guys think for yourselves anymore?
bnelson44 on January 22, 2008 at 7:55 PM
I think there are a few factors at play here:
First – we we have a lot of candidates in this race. Wasn’t it down to Bush and McCain last time around?
Secondly -the process is all screwed up because of the really stupid calendar horse race that the states conducted, and the subsequent delegate cuts.
Third, I think Rush has been spending a lot more time talking about the Dems than he has spent dissing Huck and McCain (until recently). Equally important, he really hasn’t done much in the way of describing their strengths and weaknesses in any detail, and when he does he doesn’t always get it right.
He was kind of late to the mark talking about our guys, and I recall thinking early on – come on, Rush, let’s talk about our candidates.
Meanwhile we’ve had Medved fawning over Huck and McCain….
Buy Danish on January 22, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Rush made an excellent point yesterday about how high McCain’s winning numbers were in the South Carolina primary back in 2000 by comparison to how much they dwindled this time around; certainly a damper on the McVain popularity bandwagon. Besides, if talk radio ever was some all-powerful force for omnipresent conservatism, Bill Clinton never would have been elected president of the United States.
Conservative talk radio does not exist for the expressed purpose of swaying such vast decisions in its favor; each man has his own mind and will be swayed about as much by a radio host as by his next-door neighbor. Rather, conservative talk radio seeks to inform the hearts and minds of its audience and empower them to do the real, day-to-day ground work for the cause of liberty and freedom. Rush has never told anyone whom they should or should not vote for; he has simply pointed out the facts of each Republican candidate’s record and how they fall in line with tried-and-true, back-to-basics conservatism.
The rise of McCain and Huckabee proves that populism will always exist amongst a crowd that is either ill-informed or stubbornly partisan… neither of these crowds listen to talk radio; if they do, it is only to feel more convicted about their own self-righteous rebellion. These crowds love soaking up talking points and feel-good platitudes. Huckabee wins over many evangelicals… simply because he is one. McCain wins over much of his base for the sake of his on-the-fence populism and Clinton-esque “entitlement.”
Talk radio is as impotent as Michael Moore is anorexic. It has always been more cerebral than any party-pandering politics ever will be and this only serves to prove just how low Medved has sunk in the past decade. A blatant attention-grab and a complete dishonest one at that. I hope Rush digs into this later in the week.
Jockolantern on January 22, 2008 at 7:57 PM
McCain is winning by default.
1. Mitt’s Religion
2. Mitt does look and sound like the typical CEO
3. Rudy’s been a one trick pony and often times sounds like a typical East Coast Liberal
4. Huck is huck
TheBigOldDog on January 22, 2008 at 7:58 PM
5. The independents and moderates gave McCain momentum
6. People think McCain can win
TheBigOldDog on January 22, 2008 at 7:59 PM
@ Buy Danish on January 22, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Also, maybe part of the reason he hasnt discussed it in depth is that there just isnt a conservative running for president?
muyoso on January 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Medved is a liberal Republican shill, we all need to chip in get that corn cob removed from his proctology report.
Speakup on January 22, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Those rumors seem to have been caused by McCain himself.
ColtsFan on January 22, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Immigration. The leading lights of talk radio and the blogosphere overreacted to McCain-Kennedy, and acted like they were in the majority when they embraced the hardest of hardline immigration policies. The issue has dropped off the radar a bit, and people are getting sick of hearing the likes of Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson trying to outdo each other on not caring about the welfare of undocumented immigrants. What was once a net positive issue for the GOP has been beaten down so much that it’s verging on a liability.
Big S on January 22, 2008 at 8:04 PM
McCain only won 30+ percent of the vote – 60+ percent voted against him. Same for Huckabee.
mcra99 on January 22, 2008 at 8:06 PM
I would NEVER vote for Huckabee or McCain and I know I’m not alone on this. Go Mitt!
davenp35 on January 22, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Talk radio has not and never will influence the outcome of an election.
The MSM on the other hand will continue to play a dominating role in influencing elections, in concert with the brain-dead electorate that is their viewing audience on a nightly basis.
We live in a country where dumb triumphs over intellect, bringing to fruition the grand scheme dreamed up by the Democrats decades ago.
fogw on January 22, 2008 at 8:06 PM
The problem or lack of influence isn’t talk radio it’s the candidates. This is a weak group.
roux on January 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM
I admit that I wasn’t present so I can’t confirm whether this story is fact or fiction. But one thing is for sure:
it does make me feel very nervous about where McCain’s allegiance truly lies.
ColtsFan on January 22, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Here. You’ll have to click on each one individually and read a little, but all of the info is there.
Big S on January 22, 2008 at 8:09 PM
True. Talk radio is dead(and been dead awhile)!
It died when it became a substitute for real action and voting traitors out of office.
Now all of us just call talk radio hosts and complain…that is the substitute for action.
HaraldHardrada on January 22, 2008 at 8:12 PM
SNARK ALERT! SNARK ALERT!
The operative word there, deity, is I think. We all know you think, but always in terms of what brings “refresh” traffic hits.
Poppy cock! You know good and well that Huckabee’s insulated by the MSM, for now anyway, and later they would trash him!
Which is it, Jack? Do they have influence or not? Make up your damn mind!
EASY! Insulated by the MSM and non-republican primaries!
Sorry to rock the boat here, deity, but my analysis explains Huckabee better than any of the above.
Here’s just a sample:
Mcguyver on January 22, 2008 at 8:13 PM
This speaks to the presence of a deep, DEEP change in republican party culture.
From 1992 to 1994, conservative talk radio, unquestionably led by Rush as its spearhead, managed to rally conservatives AND republicans around common cause. We responded to the radio’s call. We surged. And we broke a liberal democratic congressional dynasty that many said could not be broken.
It would seem our hard-earned gains have been squandered over time. And while we might well argue why from various fractious, potentially even shrill perspectives…the fact remains, that if folks like Rush and Hannity and Levin and a whole army of local hosts can’t stop a McCain or Huckabee surge, it indicates something DEEP has changed within our culture, and that the once great movement in the tradition of Reagan has collapsed within itself. Whatever Rush and others reached out to, whatever those listening to them latched onto from within them….clearly, it’s gone. Or at least, if not dead, it’s a mere shadow of its former unifying great self.
And as Taps plays in the background, I stand up straight, lift my right hand, and salute its passing, externally stony-faced, yet silently, internally, crying inside for a thing of pride that is no more.
Having saluted, I turn tail, grit my teeth, bend over and wait for the liberals to have their way.
We appear utterly too fractured to stop them.
Sorry to sound so sad and dark. It’s hard to find a silver lining these days.
Shirotayama on January 22, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Rush and Laura have been jumping ugly about this piece on their shows.
Medved had already been discredited in the movement because he wanted shamnesty.
This just drives a stake through his heart.
Valiant on January 22, 2008 at 8:14 PM
I think Medved has a severe case of audience envy.
Both McCain and the Huckster are losers. I wish they would switch parties. Oh, and take Arlen Specter with them.
Zorro on January 22, 2008 at 8:15 PM
They can still rally the troops. Just ask McCain what happened to his shamnesty bill.
The problem here is the viability of the alternative candidates.
TheBigOldDog on January 22, 2008 at 8:17 PM
muyoso on January 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Not now…
jerrytbg on January 22, 2008 at 8:17 PM
How about this theory – conservative talk radio (as well as the conservative blogosphere) still have plenty of influence. But their listeners/readers aren’t the sheep that libs like to daydream. I know that Rush (and Allah, and Ace) are RIGHT when they talk about McCain’s aposty, on immigration and other topics. But when push comes to shove, I want to win the war. And to do that I think we need to win the election. So we listen to talk radio, but ultimately make up our own minds.
BuzzCrutcher on January 22, 2008 at 8:17 PM
This reminds me of when I worked in NYC on a Democratic campaign in my youth. They had party bosses, and those party bosses guaranteed the vote from one of their precincts to a candidate. The boss shouted and the flock of sheep dutifully went to the polls and cast their ballots the way the boss told them.
That is not democracy.
bnelson44 on January 22, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Arlen “Marble-mouth” Spectacle DEFINES the word “RINO”.
Shirotayama on January 22, 2008 at 8:18 PM
What I’m saying is last time when polics became so unbearable and corrupt we elected Reagan despite the republican establishment and MSM’s attempts to stop him.
Now, we call talk radio hosts and complain and they tell us to support the republican candidates… despite the fact that they are traitors and liberal/RINO’s.
This time around we are not listening to talk radio and we will elect Mike Huckabee despite the republican establishment and MSM’s attempts to stop him!
As for Mccain..he is just a creation of the left wing media and democrats voting in republican primaries.
HaraldHardrada on January 22, 2008 at 8:18 PM
BINGO!
McCain in my mind is the anti-ruDy. Personally I could support any but him. I know guys who ‘lead’ like he does. It isn’t professional, it is petty, and it is unproductive causing everyone around to suffer with the talents that they have.
If it’s McCain or Romney I’d be fine. I don’t think Romney can overcome a McCain win in Fl, Ca, NY (which is more likely than not). So sorry guys, McCain is in the driver’s seat even with and especially with the delegate count. Count California and NY as ‘not conservative’ just like the primaries in the early states that allowed independents and moderates to vote and you are looking at a McCain presidency.
This time in 2000, it was over for Bush by now.
ThackerAgency on January 22, 2008 at 8:21 PM
There will always be people out there who will tell you how to vote. When they leave there will always be people happy to back fill them. When you resist and vote your conscious, they will always call you names. That is the way it has been since the beginning of American Politics.
bnelson44 on January 22, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Dukakis Huckster and Open Borders McCain-Feingold are two of the most destructive forces in the Republican Party right now. Talk radio is to blame for pointing out the abysmal records of these two candidates? Talk radio jihad? Has Medved lost his marbles or does he have an axe to grind against talk radio?
Maybe Rush sacrificed some long-term credibility for refusing to criticize Bush.
Feedie on January 22, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Man some of us have really short memories. Talk radio and conservative blogs shut down Washington just a few months ago and stopped what the majority of the Legislative branch and the Executive branch claimed to be unstoppable. Remember, “I’ll see you at the signing?” If that’s not action what is? If that didn’t demonstrate the true power of talk radio, what will?
TheBigOldDog on January 22, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Mark Levin was ripping Medved tonight on his show, and Medved deserved it.
Medved has had a hardon for Huck and McCain for weeks now. He repeatedly mocked Thompson, and made it obvious he did not like Romney either. Of course, he tried to play the non-partisan role but sounded foolish doing so.
Medved has also tried to dismiss the Reagan ideal that Conservatism wins in elections. Medved is not a Conservative, he is a typical snobby intellectual wannabe.
Gatordoug on January 22, 2008 at 8:21 PM
The leftard intelligentsia ideologues are just the enablers of such idiotic and anti-human nature Utopia. Yet, if the sheeple vote for it in droves, they deserve it.
I still hold out an ounce of hope that the vast middle class in this country will know better (if they stop shopping for a bit to internalize what will hit them).
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Levin is another one who wants you to vote the way he tells you to, and someone who calls people who don’t agree with him RINOs.
bnelson44 on January 22, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Dude. Ross Perot was the spoiler there. Bill Clinton did not get a majority vote. Never forget that.
WHY IN THE HELL, should Rush even do such a thing!?! Then Medved would get the attention that he is seeking for his little radio show that doesn’t even show up on the radar screen.
Rush does mention him, not by name, but, “those with a little radio program that doesn’t even show up on radar screen” trying to tell Rush what to do.
You have to understand that there is a bit of history there. Medved used to sub for Rush. I’m sure there’s no love there anymore.
Mcguyver on January 22, 2008 at 8:24 PM
The clear majority, both parties, wanted attrition, seldom offered in polls. If a poll only offers mass deportation or path to citizenship, it ignores the majority choice – attrition through enforcement, which 4 states have adopted and which is working just fine, thank you.
Too bad no candidate has yet correctly framed this debate in terms of rewards of residency to law-breakers (instead of calling it amnesty – it’s not amnesty if a small fine is required after-the-fact of illegal entry). Really sad. And even sadder if Shamnesty ‘09 is passed.
fred5678 on January 22, 2008 at 8:27 PM
BNelson,
You absolutely MUST be a liberal. Vast right-wing conspiracy full of mind-numbed robots, would appear to be your (clintonian) argument.
Except you’re 1,000,000%, absolutely, utterly, totally, indubitably WRONG.
Because the way you describe it is not how I perceived it then, when I was still in my very early 30’s, nor now, as I’m entering my late 40’s. NOT AT ALL how I perceived it.
Instead of feeling like I was following a leader who “told me how and what to think” (a popular liberal belief that is actually a fallacy), INSTEAD I actually felt like I was finally hearing people on the radio who were ECHOING how I MYSELF thought and felt, hearing them for the very first time.
That unity that arose was NOT because a bunch of us drank the kool-aid and followed the Guru’s orders.
Instead, concrete voice was given to those who previously felt totally, utterly VOICELESS before the advent of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.
Please…go back to your liberal burrow and your tomes by Marx and Lenin and Mao and Alinsky and Clinton and Clinton.
What you were reminded of from work on a Democratic campaign of your youth has NOTHING to do with what we conservative republicans ACTUALLY THOUGHT AND FELT hearing conservative talk radio. NOTHING. Neither does your experience in The Democratic People’s Republic of The Five Boroughs. As a former New Yorker of my childhood, born to parents from the Bronx, but fortunate enough to escape at a tender age to the Southland, I can tell you from personal experience: New Yorkers think New York is the entire world.
Here’s a Post newsflash for ya: It AIN’T.
I don’t usually get this nasty on this blog, but today, you’ve inspired me, BNelson: Take your comparisons and SHOVE ‘EM.
Shirotayama on January 22, 2008 at 8:27 PM
McCain isn’t a ‘front runner’, ffs. Count up the delegates.
And when he gets into primaries where only republicans can vote, as suggested, I think McCain starts to wither.
I certainly hope so, at any rate.
Midas on January 22, 2008 at 8:29 PM
And while I’m at it, let’s not forget that McCain has at least twice entertained bolting from the Republican party. Taken with his decidedly liberal positions on numerous issues, I will NOT vote for him if he’s the nominee. Period.
Midas on January 22, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Quoted for truth!
Medved is a tool.
liquidflorian on January 22, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Isn’t NYC also the center of world capitalism? Odd for it to be home of the biggest financial markets in the United States and a poster child for socialism.
dedalus on January 22, 2008 at 8:34 PM
It’s very easy to explain McCain. Liberals are voting for the candidate who represents them best.
Griz on January 22, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Great post. You nailed it. Talk radio, and now the Net, gave conservatives who were shut of the media a voice. That is its power in a nutshell. It’s not the personalities involve per se.
We’ve had talk radio in Boston long before the days of Rush and it quickly became the only outlet for conservatives and we used it thwart the likes of Michael Dukakis, pass initiative positions,and eventually capture the corner office for 16 straight years.
TheBigOldDog on January 22, 2008 at 8:36 PM
[Big S on January 22, 2008 at 8:09 PM]
Here. Scroll down to Super Tuesday. It’s the second column.
Dusty on January 22, 2008 at 8:36 PM
John McCain is a media attention whore–a media attention whore who will be stunned beyond unholy belief when Big Media throws him under the bus for whomever the Dems nominate.
eLarson on January 22, 2008 at 8:41 PM
I’ve listened to Medved over the years. Mostly for the movie reviews…which he is usually off on as well.
In other words, he’s a legend in his own mind.
mksmithwriter on January 22, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Didn’t Reagan sign the first amnesty bill, never seriously address abortion, raise gasoline taxes, and cut & run from Lebanon?
I liked Reagan but I’m not sure he’d meet the criteria some have for true conservatives.
dedalus on January 22, 2008 at 8:48 PM
How are the Cheeze Its?
Think of it like Hong Kong; you’ve got everything, but freedom.
liquidflorian on January 22, 2008 at 8:52 PM
(which I believe is due to the fact that he shares the open-borders viewpoint of McCain–Medved refused to admit that McCain supported amnesty even when I read to him one of the quotes from the 5/29/2003 Tucson Citizen on air and instead tried to start spinning that the 2007 bill wasn’t an amnesty bill. He also views McCain as most electable, so he’s basically choosing electability over compatibility)
I heard you! Medved was saying something from so far back doesn’t matter, also. I like Medved a lot, but he is freaky on the border and immigration.
gmoonster on January 22, 2008 at 8:57 PM
Reagan united so many sub-cultures under one banner. This appears to be torn asunder. The first Bush back-stabbed politely, and it got him tossed. This one back-stabs with some ornery glee, making odd remarks or jokes before signing McCain-Feingold and the Harriet Miers debacle. I fear for my country when several Republican candidates are such obvious nutjobs and the Dems are clearly Marxist. The rest I do not trust.
Feedie on January 22, 2008 at 8:58 PM
“Where else can you do a half a million things, all at a quarter to three?” It’s nice to be in a town that doesn’t shut down at 10PM. Feels pretty free–unless you are stuck in traffic on 6th Ave.
dedalus on January 22, 2008 at 8:59 PM
It’s not over until the fat lady sings. We’ll see how well McCain and Huckabee do along the rest of the primaries. I think they will disappear.
katieanne on January 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Illegal immigration has been a problem for several decades but really became the flashpoint it has become only within the past few years. For Reagan to pass the amnesty bill back then pretty much, if I’m remembering it correctly, got a reaction that pretty much was equivalent to “Meh”.
Can’t speak to the issue of him raising the gas tax. Don’t recall the issues. However, it probably didn’t faze me personally at the time since gas was, what…around $1.50 a gallon (or less!) back then. The few cents the gas tax probably added was barely noticed at the time.
As for cutting and running from Lebanon, I actually agree w/you there. I don’t know why he didn’t turn Lebanon AND Syria AND Iran into flat, glowing, radioactive wastelands when he had the chance. I’ve never figured that part out. But must say I myself was disappointed in that. One of the few things about Reagan that did disappoint me.
Shirotayama on January 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM
I’ll take Medved over Rush any day. And I do think McCain is the best candidate left with Fred gone. The guy’s got an 82% lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union. I don’t agree with him on everything, but how liberal can he be?
packsoldier on January 22, 2008 at 9:04 PM
I have a very hard time reconciling myself with Michael Medved.
Why, you ask?
Glenn Beck pointed out in An Inconvenient Book that Mr. Medved used the following insults, all in ONE column, to attack people like Glenn who think the U.S. government may be backing a North American Union.
Bastards
Brain-dead fantasies
Charlatans
Childish
Cranks
Creeps
Crooks
Demagogues
Drunks
Exploiters
Fringies
Groundless frenzy
Hysterics
Ill-Informed
Jerks
Jug-Heads
Losers
Ludicrous
Lunatics
Manipulative
Miserable cretins
Opportunists
Paranoid
Psychotics
Reprobates
It’s on Page 291.
I too have a hard time figuring out McCain’s popularity.
But it’s going to take more than Michael Medved to convince me that talk radio is dead.
I need someone who actually cares about professionalism and civility to talk to me about it.
Hawkins1701 on January 22, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Medved is right. People who believe that “North American Union ” conspiracy garbage should be voting for Ron Paul.
packsoldier on January 22, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Let your imagination roam. :-)
Feedie on January 22, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Woops, that will teach me to cook and post at the same time.
In this comment, by “their” I meant Fred, Rudy or Mitt, not the infidels, McCain and Huck. Rush has not been providing much information about the candidates:
Refresh my memory – other than your being a Second Amendment nut, what is it exactly that is conservative about your positions on the issues?
You are clearly on the clueless side when it comes to talk radio (unless you’re an expert on Air America).
Rush has defined Reagan Conservatism better than anyone, but if you think you can do better, go right ahead and try. You have a few decades of catch-up to do, but it’s a free country and all that.
P.S. Since I have supported Mitt or Rudy all along, and Rush hasn’t, I think it’s fair to say that this Rush listener thinks for
himselfherself.Buy Danish on January 22, 2008 at 9:16 PM
We obviously have a bunch of liberal socialist trolls on this site, and it is so boring and sad to see them promote Huck/McCain while lying and putting-down conservative talk radio.
“…Mr. Medved graduated with honors from Yale and then attended Yale Law School-where his classmates included Bill and Hillary Clinton. After working as a screenwriter in Hollywood, he reviewed movies for CNN, and later as chief film critic for the New York Post.”
I think this moron is going back to his roots. Somewhere in there he switched from a big Lib to a Rep to now a McCain shill that abhors conservative talk radio (his competition obviously). Levin has simply been talking about the stinky record of Libs like McCain/Huck/Obama/Hillary/Edwards/etc AND discussing/educating on conservative principles, constitution, Goldwater, Reagan, Burke, etc…… What else are conservatives supposed to talk about?
nottakingsides on January 22, 2008 at 9:16 PM
@ Buy Danish on January 22, 2008 at 9:16 PM
What conservative positions do I have??
Smaller government
Less government spending
Non-intervention overseas (close down unneeded bases and set a goal for Iraq, meet it, and get home)
Reduced taxes
No gun control
No universal health care
Follow the constitution
What conservative positions do YOU have? Of course, your definition of conservative is probably different than mine, you probably think conservatism revolves around abortion, campaigning against gays, and teaching creationism in schools. MY form of conservatism is getting the government the hell out of my life, including abortion, marriage, taxes, drugs, etc.
muyoso on January 22, 2008 at 9:25 PM
WTF is that supposed to mean?
melchitt on January 22, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Ron, is that you?
baldilocks on January 22, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Buy Danish on January 22, 2008 at 9:16 PM
ahhh!! you sly…
jerrytbg on January 22, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Micheal Medved, the “RINO OF THE RADIO” has had his panties in a big freaking knot since it was true conservatives and talk radio that helped kill that treasonous immigration bill last year. He gets phone calls all day calling him a loser and a liar and those people are right. He still refuses to admit that bill was amnesty when if it was passed, any illegal could have stayed here on a permanently renewable Z-visa and never pay any fine at all. That fine was only for people who wanted to apply for citizenship. When callers tried to bring up specific points about the immigration bill, Medved would dodge, deny, defend and dismiss everything as long as the bill would get through. The ROTR is simply doing the same thing McCain did to the conservatives many times, he’s trying to tell us to just shut up because we are wrong. SCREW HIM!!!! Medved is a destructive RINO just like John McCain.
I predict that if John McCain does not get the nomination, he will then realize that he will never be president due to his age. At that point, he will piss on the GOP one more time and SWITCH PARTIES! See if I’m wrong.
Bikerken on January 22, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Thank you for clarifying your positions. I know that labels are a drag, but you are not a conservative, you are a libertarian.
What conservative positions do YOU have? Of course, your definition of conservative is probably different than mine, you probably think conservatism revolves around abortion, campaigning against gays, and teaching creationism in schools.
Yep, that’s why Rudy and Mitt are my candidates.
/sarc.
It’s wise not to make presumptions like that, particularly if you can’t think of a single thing someone has said that backs up your assertion.
On the other hand, I do have quite vivid recollections about some of your comments, and it appears that I was spot on when I indicated that I didn’t believe that you’re a conservative.
Why are you so angry that I got it right? It’s kinda like a liberal who won’t admit they’re a liberal.
Buy Danish on January 22, 2008 at 9:42 PM
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