What if McCain named Fred as his VP?
posted at 4:03 pm on January 21, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A follow-up to Bryan’s post yesterday. Note well the results of Ruffini’s poll: Fred’s continued presence in the race is killing Romney, especially in Florida where he’s got double digits banked but probably won’t do better than fourth or fifth. If Huckabee was still a threat to win it’d be worth having Thompson around to take votes from him too, but he isn’t so it isn’t. All Huck is now is a stalking horse for McCain, lingering on to bleed social con votes from Mitt; if Fred stays in he’s playing the same part, a ball and chain on Romney’s other ankle in the first primary where Maverick can’t rely on Democrats and independents to push him through. Some Fredheads are fantasizing about him trudging along in hopes of a brokered convention, where he’d end up being the compromise candidate. So a guy who not only couldn’t win a primary but couldn’t do better than third place and the mid-teens even in the south is going to be The Man in November? Sounds like a plan.
The Politico piece linked above speculates that McCain may promise the VP slot to Huckabee to stay in but he’s got enough problems with conservatives that he can’t afford another “centrist” on the ticket. So … how about Fred? I hear that Rich Galen, one of Fred’s advisors, was pitching the idea on Fox News radio this a.m. He’d give McCain instant credibility with the base, especially on immigration, and the Fredheads would thrill to the possibility of McCain retiring after one term, leaving their guy the presumptive nominee in 2012. Problems: (1) Fred said months ago, if I recall correctly, that he didn’t want to be anyone’s VP; (2) McCain may not want a guy on the ticket whose candidacy disappointed so many; (3) given Fred’s reputation as the Republican Mycroft Holmes, you’re guaranteed another eight months of “lazy campaigner” memes from the media.
Let’s see if this is worth Maverick’s while. Vote on it below. Obviously this is based on the assumption that McCain’s going to emerge from Florida as the “moderate” alternative to Mitt. If Rudy beats him there, it’s a three-man race. Interestingly, if Rudy doesn’t beat him there, he’ll probably stagger on to Super Tuesday anyway just because New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut are in play. (Or is it too late?) And if so, to the extent that he’d be pulling moderates from McCain, he’d be a stalking horse himself — for Mitt Romney.
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Duncan Hunter is anti-trade. He’s every bit the protectionist that Dick Gephardt is/was. Not surprising that he wouldn’t endorse Mitt.
Greenhorn on January 21, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Baphomet on January 21, 2008 at 5:17 PM
they dont speak english. they babel in their native tounge. endangering myself and coworkers lives by being unable to shout “heads up ! look out ! incoming! ” and this i say with experience.
and when rumors of immigration enforcement showing up, guess what ? the “migrant” workforce was down to a handful for almost 2 weeks. doesnt sound legal to me.
its not econimical hostility to them , its economic terror on my bank account because our govt. doesnt follow Article IV.
i refuse to vote for anyone not 100% on stopping the wound that bleeds a thousand miles wide. and killing the US with the death of a thousand (or 12 million) cuts.
palefaced on January 21, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Depends on what you mean by culture, and to which group you refer. As a product of Hispanic immigration (or at least, half a product), I have a healthy respect for the Spanish language, the familial sense, the music, the food, the love of God, the love of life that most Hispanic cultures bring with them.
But the gang violence, the reggaeton, the idiocy – those aren’t cultural things. Those are the lack of culture, and I have every right to oppose the immigrants who embrace such stupidity.
Luckily, the vast majority of Hispanic folk aren’t like that. But the ones that are give off a bad image that serves only to hinder their own arguments for approval.
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 5:23 PM
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 5:21 PM
My great great x10 grandpa.
He conquered muslim north africa and muslim jerusalem 60 years before the crusades began
HaraldHardrada on January 21, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Mike Huckabee is a very
inspirationalfull of sh$# character thatboth conservatives andliberals like.There, fixed it.
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Lest I be misunderstood, I’m not for mistreating anyone. I have it out with the employers and the government, more than with those who use all the open gates/loopholes granted them so liberally.
Entelechy on January 21, 2008 at 5:24 PM
You guessed it!
That’s why the American people shut down the capitol switchboard last year in protest. Ande here is the only poll to ever offer all three alternatives. Read and learn,
Again, read and learn. McCain ignores the only sensible and proven solution. Right in his own home state. He is either blind or duplicitous on this issue. I prefer to think of him as blind.
Nothing special – just keep enforcing the law and they will leave by themsleves. Don’t believe me – listen to the illegal alines themsleves telling you why they are leaving – in droves from 4 states that have the correct laws and policies.
Let them leave on their own – working just fine, thank you. Now that some states are ‘doing the jiob that NcCain (in Congress) and Bush (in the White House) won’t do.
We agree!! It was WORSE! It rewarded the thieves with what they came here to steal – residency.
It was not amnesty, becasue a penalty was involved. Amnesty is no fine, no jail. But is is NOT rewards.
fred5678 on January 21, 2008 at 5:25 PM
I rarely buy the “through no fault of their own” argument for those who have lived in this country for any length of time. I have personal familiarity about how “well” their second generation “takes advantage” of the educational opportunities, so I know what I’m talking about.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:25 PM
No convictions if Thompson runs with McCain.
Starlink on January 21, 2008 at 5:26 PM
I’m not in the military, but if I were I’d be inclined to steer clear of the man who wants to close Gitmo and move it to Kansas, and who complains about techniques like water boarding which were used successfully on one of Gitmo’s most famous occupants, namely Khalid Sheik Mohammed.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 5:26 PM
I will be very disapointed in Fred if that happens.
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 5:27 PM
So your telling me that Duncan Hunter simply dissed Romney for such a trivial matter of his ex company playing footsie with the Chinese ? Please
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Ditto fred5678. Fred just better stay away from McLightweight.
Starlink on January 21, 2008 at 5:28 PM
I will lose all respect for him if that happens. That would mean that he values personal friendship over the future of the country. I’m tired of all the ill will that Spencer Abraham has generated, but endorsing McCain would be a hundred times worse.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Interesting if not strickly true
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 5:29 PM
He said specifically that was the ONE problem he had with Mitt. And Mitt wasn’t even with Bain when any of those transactions took place. You sound like one of those libs who’s pissed at Cheney because he was once involved with Halliburton. LOL
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Oh, so we’re supposed to rely on your anecdotal experience and conflate that to a factual observation?
I don’t know where you live, but in my son’s school that group are hard workers and high achievers, even though many of them have parents who don’t speak any English.
I can’t tell you whether or not they are legal or illegal, just that they are clearly of Mexican descent.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 5:31 PM
I have shown before that Mitt is weak on defense. His position on the WOT reads like a democratic party policy wonk paper
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 5:32 PM
LOL…my grandma X12 was Jane Lane…so does that mean I am a Tory? Will the Queen Mother invite me to tea?
Limerick on January 21, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:29 PM
I will be voting for Fred on super Tuesday but if Fred has to drop out,as bad as I would hate that, he should throw his support to Romney. He is the next, most conservative running.Maybe then Romney would realize Fred could be a big help to him…VP?
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Something tells me HH doesn’t believe the bloodline is all that different, and that times haven’t really changed.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Policy wonk, maybe. Democratic Party, certainly not. Maybe you should go check out his website and learn what he actually stands for.
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Well I’ve had a chance to compare the achievements of second generation Asian and Mexican immigrants, and there is no comparison. I think you can guess who is ahead.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:34 PM
You just DON’T get it- do ya???
Fred is in because FRED wants a TRUE CONSERVATIVE to be our POTUS.
Fred is in because there is NO other CONSERVATIVE CHOICE.
Fred is in because HE FEELS A DUTY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AND AS LONG AS FRED IS IN- HE IS MY CANDIDATE!
NO RINOs. EVER.
Ex-tex on January 21, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Amen to that.
Yes! Take me with, though! I have some words for her.
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 5:36 PM
You mirror my thoughts exactly, and many think the same way and that’s why expect Romney to be the nominee. Fred had indicated before that he didn’t want to be the VP, but perhaps he can change his mind for the good of the country. And maybe Jeri could be President some day???
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Mexico isn’t a country, so to be fair, you should include all of Latin America.
My anecdotal evidence, which could fill a volume, are that Asian immigrants are stupid and cheat on exams.
Doesn’t prove a thing.
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Mexico is a country, not a continent. Typo.
And it should say “could fill volumes.”
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Sticking Fred in the VP spot behind McCain is like trying to enhance the performance of a Ford Pinto by putting a Ferrari engine in the trunk.
ErikTheRed on January 21, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Well I think that Mexico is a country.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:39 PM
McCain-Thompson?
hmmm..
What are the chances the one of them would die in office from natural cause?
Also, Fred could NOT run as Pres after 8 years, he’s already to old and tired, we need someone with energy and vigor.
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Using the word “Conservative” as a slogan doesn’t help anyone.
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Like Rudy, ha?
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Like McCain is going to pick somebody OTHER than Lindsay Graham.
greenonions on January 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM
I corrected that.
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Good analogy. I had some thoughts about lipstick and pigs, but this is better.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:42 PM
The identity politics, of using the word “Conservative” as a slogan, hasn’t worked and will NOT work.
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 5:42 PM
phewwwwwwwwwwwwwww…..gave me the dizzies for a moment.
Limerick on January 21, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Well, some news for all you Fredheads. Looks like high level Thompson staff is already moving over to the Romney campaign.
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 5:44 PM
I saw it afterwards, but I don’t think this argument is going anywhere. I think what I think. I know some wonderful Mexican people, and I also have some thoughts about the culture and education, but this will not lead to anything productive.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:44 PM
From Mitt’s Website
http://www.mittromney.com/Issues/confronting-radical-jihad
Lets look at Special K’s Policy
http://www.dennis4president.com/go/issues/strength-through-peace/
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 5:44 PM
It has when it’s true.
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Might be a slogan to you. To me it’s an ideology.
Ex-tex on January 21, 2008 at 5:46 PM
There is not doubt that the Asian culture is very high-achieving, but you are out of line when you make, dare I say, ‘bigoted’ statements which slur an entire country’s populace.
Good job of providing grist for the mill of La Raza’s talking points though! For all your educational advantages (whatever they may be) comments like that don’t exactly sound intellectually gifted.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 5:47 PM
You need someone that can advance Conservative policies, while
having the widest outreach and appeal..
Thats what Reagan did..
Expand the Party, Not contract it.
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 5:48 PM
What if Charles Manson is paroled from San Quinton?
Knowing his background would you vote for him?
Huh oh, is that a stupid question out of the blue?
Well, yes it is, but it is as relevant to me as any possible scenario you can come up with pertaining to voting for Juanita McShamnesty.
No I will not vote for McStain. Not now and not tomorrow. I would sooner for that loony ass wRong Paul.
TheSitRep on January 21, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Fred’s the REAL conservative, right fredheads? The truth is, he is another lowlife, egocentric member of the political class who cares nothing for the country, only for hi own self aggrandizement. If any of you mccain hating freheads had ever done a little research you would have seen that fred carried mccains water for years. Now he is going to use you to defeat the losest thing to a true conservative in the race. And don’t you believe that Romney can’t win. If that were true the msm and the rino bloggers wouldn’t hate him so much.
Quite the candidate you’ve got there, fredheads. I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t the plan all along.
peacenprosperity on January 21, 2008 at 5:50 PM
As always, I’m late to the game. For what it’s worth to this discussion, I would NOT vote for McCain if Thompson were to be his VP guy. Sorry my memory is too good to vote for McCain.
Weight of Glory on January 21, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Sorry for that previous garbled post. Preview button too close to Submit button. And BTW, Bryan, why not change that Submit button to Enter?? I WILL NOT SUBMIT!
You guessed it!
That’s why the American people shut down the capitol switchboard last year in protest. And here is the only poll to ever offer all three alternatives. A majority of both Republicans and Democrats rejected McCain’s policies. Read this Zogby poll and learn.
That tired old false dichotomy again: “We can’t deport ..blah blah therefore blah blah have to make them citizens blah.” Ignoring the popular, proven, legal solution of “attrition through enforcement” in this debate is akin to lying to the American public.
Again, read and learn. McCain ignores the only sensible and proven solution. Right in his own home state. He is either blind or duplicitous on this issue. I prefer to think of him as blind.
Nothing special – just keep enforcing the law and they will leave by themselves. Don’t believe me – listen to the illegal aliens themselves telling you why they are leaving in droves from 4 states that have the correct laws and policies.
Let them leave on their own – it’s working just fine, thank you. Now that some states are “doing the job that McCain (in Congress) and Bush (in the White House) won’t do”.
We agree!! But it was WORSE! It rewarded the thieves with what they came here to steal – residency.
It was not amnesty, because a penalty was involved. Amnesty is no fine, no jail. But amnesty is NOT rewards.
…
I refuse to live in the real world of you and McCain. I invite you to spend a week in this lovely village – created by ignoring laws and McCain’s amnesty policies that have been used 7 times since 1986. Working just great, if you want anarchy. A vote for McCain is a vote for more of those villages, because after he “legalizes” the 12 to 30 million already here, there will be another 30 million right behind, no matter how high and wide a fence you build.
fred5678 on January 21, 2008 at 5:50 PM
“Conservative” as used by Rush, Fred, etc. means
-Believes in small government, especially Federal government that only deals with the constitutionally mandated tasks. Very little intervention of the Government in the economy.
-Generally strict interpretation of the Constitution. No activist judges.
-Strong military. Aggressive posture towards the enemies of the United States.
-Strong respect of laws, especially gun and immigration laws.
-Respect for gun ownership.
It also includes topics like abortion and gay marriages, about which I don’t care much so I won’t repeat them.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Newt!
BallisticBob on January 21, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Thats NOT where MOST of the voter are..
This is a Recent study from the Pew Research center..
Look at the Picture..
http://i32.tinypic.com/2w2ng52.gif
Like I said, Advance Conservative Policies, we can get a whole new generation..
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Young people won’t vote for a couple of old geezers with cancer issues. The media would label Republicans “The Cancer Party” and even the other Republican politicians on the ballots, state and federal, will be toast.
So, it would be a good idea if McCain wanted to put a bullet through the elephant’s head and bury it once and for all but I think McCain and the liberals prefer to keep the Republicans lingering about in a crippled and terminally ill state so as to ward off a new conservative political party from challenging them in the near future.
Buddahpundit on January 21, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Oh, the irony. I remember defending Fred and being accused of using class struggle rhetoric.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 5:53 PM
I don’t care what La Raza thinks of my comments. I also don’t care that it has become more or less unacceptable to criticize entire cultures. I think it’s possible to rank cultures and dislike certain things about cultures. Reminds me of a line below a cartoon I recently saw: “Encourage diversity! Now fall in line and praise multiculturism!”
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:53 PM
This is what I wish Fred would do!
Ex-tex on January 21, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Rudy, Closest to ALL Voters..
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:50 PM
“Conservative” as used by Rush, Fred, etc. means
How does Mike Huckabee stack up?
-Ban abortion. Check.
-Ban gay marriage. Check
-Believes in small government, especially Federal government that only deals with the constitutionally mandated tasks. Very little intervention of the Government in the economy. Check
-Generally strict interpretation of the Constitution. No activist judges. Check
-Strong military. Aggressive posture towards the enemies of the United States. Check
-Strong respect of laws, especially gun and immigration laws. Check
-Respect for gun ownership. Check
Mike Huckabee is the only conservative left in the race!
HaraldHardrada on January 21, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Coca-Cola. Bringing the world together.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Two years ago you people were probably barely aware of thompsons existance and probably only as an actor. He got out there and started the greatest acting job of his career and all the fredheads fell for it.
By the way, fredheads, how do you like mccain/feingold? Your hero helped get it through. how do you like watching billy bob act like he has something important to say. Good ol fred helped defeat the impeachment also.
peacenprosperity on January 21, 2008 at 5:56 PM
My good friend Farald, I think his new-found respect for immigration laws and non-intervention into the economy is just a tad suspect.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Conservatism in 3 Easy Steps:
1)Small Government (low taxes, cut spending, etc).
2)Strong Defense.
3)Protect Life.
You have to have all three. Huckabee does not. You lose.
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 5:58 PM
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/01/giuliani_mccain_closest_to_voters/
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Ban abortion. Check.
-Ban gay marriage. Check
-Believes in small government, especially Federal government that only deals with the constitutionally
Do some research, pal. This is not how he governed when he had the chance.
peacenprosperity on January 21, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Of course, the uninformed such as yourself, didn’t know about Thompson. Others of us have followed Thompson since he was a senator. I disagree with his support of MF, but he now admits his support was misplaced.
I’ll stick with Fred.
ihasurnominashun on January 21, 2008 at 5:59 PM
At a conference for young Republicans (not YRs, but just young folks who were Republicans), I remember backers for Thompson. It’s been a long time coming.
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM
ANYONE who sees GWB as conservative is not playing with a full deck!
ihasurnominashun on January 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Only in the sense that he’ll soon just be another voter instead of a candidate.
Hollowpoint on January 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Hopefully not in the same sense that Bill was close to some women voters.
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 6:02 PM
.
Then it looks like you will get mccain. Nice job.
peacenprosperity on January 21, 2008 at 6:02 PM
As I keep saying, the Super Tuesday will be known as “Good Bye Rudy Tuesday”.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 6:02 PM
So while you yourself admit that culture makes a difference, Buy Danish, you’ve decided to go ahead and call Igor a bigot anyway for making the same observation?
FloatingRock on January 21, 2008 at 6:03 PM
I think that’s a reference to the cartoons, and the Hot Air campaign…
emailnuevo on January 21, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Anyone for Sharia Law?
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 6:05 PM
It’s funny that anyone who goes by “Buy Danish”, which if I understand it correctly is based on a certain culture clash would find negative observations about cultures detestable.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 6:05 PM
How does Mitt Romney stack up?
-Ban abortion. Nope.Romney allowed $50 co pay for abortion in his socialist medicine plan
-Ban gay marriage. Nope. Willard said he would tooth and nail to promote the right to gay marriage.
-Believes in small government, especially Federal government that only deals with the constitutionally mandated tasks. Very little intervention of the Government in the economy. Nope. wants to intervene in michigham for votes.
-Generally strict interpretation of the Constitution. No activist judges. maybe
-Strong military. Aggressive posture towards the enemies of the United States. Nope. He’ll confer with his attorneys
-Strong respect of laws, especially gun and immigration laws. ??
-Respect for gun ownership. Nope.Romney is pro gun grabbing
Willard Romney is no conservative!
HaraldHardrada on January 21, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Harald, what Romney says is to be completely discounted. What Romney did in MA is to be completely discounted. That’s the sad state we are in. He is a successful businessman, a good family man, and someone who oriented his entire business to help a friend find his missing daughter when it counted. His very nature is better than Huck’s nature. Since both of them will say anything, you have to go by their actions.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Wow! I honestly don’t think you got ANY of those points correct. Not one! LOL You might want to go over to his website and find out what he actually believes.
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 6:08 PM
As his position changes every other day. ;)
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 6:09 PM
How does Juan Mccain stack up?
-Ban abortion. Nope.Juan said he would not sign a abortion ban
-Ban gay marriage. Nope. Juan said he won’t sign a gay marriage ban.
-Believes in small government, especially Federal government that only deals with the constitutionally mandated tasks. Very little intervention of the Government in the economy. Nope. Juan is big gov’t lib
-Generally strict interpretation of the Constitution. No activist judges. maybe maybe not he’s the maverick.
-Strong military. Aggressive posture towards the enemies of the United States. Nope. He voted with Clinton to dismantle the military.
-Strong respect of laws, especially gun and immigration laws. Nope. He is the source and founder of the amnesty movement
-Respect for gun ownership. ?? who knows he’s the maverick.
Juan Mccain is no conservative!
HaraldHardrada on January 21, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Sorry for the previous garbled post; it was also missing the links. BTW Bryan, make that ‘Submit’ button larger and change it to ‘Enter’. I WILL NOT SUBMIT!
You guessed it!
That’s why the American people shut down the capitol switchboard last year in protest. remember?? And here is the only poll to ever offer all three alternatives. Read and learn.
Anyone who refuses to offer the most popular option, attrition through enforcement, is either blind or disingenuous (I can’t believe McCain would lie.)
Again, read and learn. McCain ignores the only sensible and proven solution. Right in his own home state. He is either blind or duplicitous on this issue. I prefer to think of him as blind.
Nothing special – just keep enforcing the law and they will leave by themsleves. Don’t believe me – listen to the illegal aliens themsleves telling you why they are leaving – in droves from 4 states that have the correct laws and policies.
Let them leave on their own – it’s working just fine, thank you. Now that some states are “doing the job that McCain (in Congress) and Bush (in the White House) won’t do”.
We agree!! But it was WORSE! It rewarded the thieves with what they came here to steal – residency.
It was not amnesty, because a penalty was involved. Amnesty is no fine, no jail. But amnesty is NOT rewards.
Come join you? In this lovely village, created by the misguided policy of ignoring our laws and having SEVEN previous “amnesties”?? I think not. Enjoy the brothels in your “real world” village.
fred5678 on January 21, 2008 at 6:11 PM
If Rudy were to say the right thing about Shamnesty, I would believe him. Unfortunately he refuses to say the right thing.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 6:12 PM
I don’t think it would ever happen.
McCain is a amnesty-loving, Algorian democrat-appeasing liberal Republican. He is completely incompatible with Fred on the issues.
Sir Andrew on January 21, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Huh? There’s absolutely NOTHING that could give McCain credibility on immigration. As bold a red-faced liar as he’s shown himself to be, I’m not sure he’s credible on ANYTHING.
Gregor on January 21, 2008 at 6:14 PM
McCain is credibly insane. In fact, he is certifiable.
Igor R. on January 21, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani asked about Gay Marriage 10-21-07 Debate
Notice Rudy does believe that WE should have a Constitutional Amendment, IF Several States 3-5 States Start Screwing up, then, an Amendment would be needed at that time.
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 6:16 PM
41.6% currently saying they will not vote for McCain under any circumstance.
For all you “vote for who can win” conservatives …
Good luck in November.
Gregor on January 21, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Option #4; the winning one at present.
baldilocks on January 21, 2008 at 6:25 PM
OMG.. Watch Mitt!!! Who let the Dogs out? omg..
Uhh Mitt.. thats NOT cool..
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 6:30 PM
[Edited for clarity]
You don’t expand the Republican base by manipulating the core values. You expand the base by adhering and courageously defending them. What you describe is why we are in this mess today.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 6:33 PM
I will not play into the establishment machine of voting for the “lesser of two evils”.
Sir Andrew on January 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM
If Fred drops I won’t vote period. I am tired of compromising. I was asked to compromise on Bush last time, even though I thought he was the best man for the job, but alas i think it became too big for even him. And for the last 4 years the liberals haven’t compromised have they? They have gotten more shriller, more in your face and more anti American then ever before.
I will not be swayed by the vote for anybody with a (R) argument either. That is what has given us the likes of Specter, Graham, McCain, and the long list of RINOs that inhabit the halls of congress.
And finally since it appears that the majority of people living in this country want to go in the direction of the liberal movement why should I stand in their way. The America my children will inherit will be far different then the America I knew but so be it, it seems to be the will of the people.
Just A Grunt on January 21, 2008 at 6:34 PM
You are ignorant of the facts. Most people are. I was, too, until I learned about the sad history of the VAT in GATT and WTO trade agreements as pointed out by Hunter.
You also haven’t listened to his explanations of how countries that now have a VAT (137!!) have an exemption from equalization of this tax in current trade agreemments. If you disagree or don’t understand Hunter’s words and the above linked document, you must be in favor of a VAT for America or in favor of unfair advantages for 137 countries.
Note that when we agreed to the exemption for VAT (and only a VAT) only France had a VAT. Why do you think that 136 countries have added a VAT since the 1950’s? Maybe because it is exempted by WTO??
In case you don’t know how VAT works, it is a domestic sales tax that foreign companies get to DEDUCT from their exports, while our imports to their countries have it ADDED. Tails we lose, heads they win. Duh.
The VAT is the ONLY exemption to the WTO agreements. All other taxes are subject to equalization. You do want an equal playing field, don’t you??
fred5678 on January 21, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Look at Rudy’s 12 Commitments
1. I will keep America on offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us.
2. I will end illegal immigration, secure our borders, and identify every non-citizen in our nation.
3. I will restore fiscal discipline and cut wasteful Washington spending.
4. I will cut taxes and reform the tax code.
5. I will impose accountability on Washington.
6. I will lead America towards energy independence.
7. I will give Americans more control over and access to health care with affordable and portable free-market solutions.
8. I will increase adoptions, decrease abortions, and protect the quality of life for our children.
9. I will reform the legal system and appoint strict constructionist judges.
10. I will ensure that every community in America is prepared for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.
11. I will provide access to a quality education to every child in America by giving real school choice to parents.
12. I will expand America’s involvement in the global economy and strengthen our reputation around the world.
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Looks like a Conservative Agenda to me.
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 6:37 PM
You are not alone. Not the majority, but not alone. Why is it that we are continualy told to compromise for the sake of having an “In Name Only” in office?
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Hell, I don’t even care anymore. In looking at the candidates to choose from, I’ll be thinking about much more important things.
Gregor on January 21, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Who’s that? Didn’t he go retire down south?
All kidding aside, I’m not unfamiliar with Rudy, having lived in CT for the past 14 years (I’m not there anymore). Those “pledges” you point out are most recent and very curiously not Rudy.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Rudy’s 12 Commitments
Rudy is the Man.
Chakra Hammer on January 21, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Ditto. Double ditto. I was a Republican from 1964 until 2004, when Bush ‘encouraged’ me to register Independent. And I wrote him a letter in October, 2004, telling him why: his terrible policies on illegal immigration. I held my nose and voted for him anyway.
I won’t have to hold my nose this year. I will not vote for anyone who would not veto an “amnesty” bill.
Fred, then Mitt, then vacation day. It will be much easier to galvanize against Shamnesty if a Dem. is in office. Amnesty for up to 30 million law breakers is permanent. Tax policy can be changed.
fred5678 on January 21, 2008 at 6:45 PM
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