Surprise: Florida papers love Johnny Mac
posted at 4:30 pm on January 21, 2008 by Bryan
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And why they love him probably won’t surprise you.
Two Florida newspapers endorsed John McCain for the Republican presidential nomination Sunday, citing his extensive experience in politics and willingness to take unpopular stances…
The Gainesville paper’s endorsement praised McCain’s advocacy of campaign finance reform, refusal to condone torture, opposition to the Bush administration’s tax and support of a carbon cap-and-trade system. The Sun was most laudatory of McCain’s immigration stance. Although the Post disagreed with McCain’s backing the war in Iraq, it gave him credit that “early and often, he criticized the war’s mismanagement.”
None of those are conservative positions, and the papers do the usual hatchet job regarding torture — it’s not that McCain “refused to condone” torture (implying that other Republicans do condone torture), it’s that he sought to make it illegal in ways that leave field officers in legal jeopardy while shielding politicians from any consequences for using enhanced interrogation. Apparently that’s too much nuance for any MSMers to handle, though. The bottom line is, the newspapers lauded McCain’s liberal stances and disagreed with him on the one conspicuous conservative stance he’s taken in recent years — winning the war in Iraq. Tell me again why any conservative is considering voting for McCain. The whole reason the MSM is building him up is because as the nominee he would tear the Republican party apart. Giuliani and even Huckabee have dissed the base less often than McCain has.
The horserace part of the race thankfully isn’t favoring McCain at the moment. He has the MSM mo but the latest Rasumssen has Romney leading in Florida and McCain in second but just a point ahead of Giuliani. If, as now seems evident, the economy is going to become the dominant issue in the election, trumping the war and trumping “change” whatever that means today, McCain has no answers. If I had my druthers, which I seldom do, none of the candidates would be talking about economic stimulus or dealing with the “excesses of the economy.” They would all let nature take its course and the economy would correct itself over time. Our system is robust enough to deal with mild cyclical corrections. Imperfect intervention is more likely to lead to problems than just letting things shake out imho. But everyone running now remembers the last president who presided over a souring economy in an election year and didn’t do much to get out of the way other than break a pledge not to raise taxes the year prior: He lost to Bill Clinton. That experience has turned all of the candidates in both parties into big government advocates when it comes to dealing with even the mildest of recessions. Well, all but two, and Duncan Hunter is now out and Fred is on the ropes.
Not to be a Hugh Hewitt about all this, but if the economy sours after tomorrow’s expected bloodbath I only see one candidate who can realistically claim to know anything about, and that’s Romney. McCain and Huckabee don’t have a clue, Rudy arguably did well managing New York but it was the beneficiary of the larger US economy during his tenure, and Fred has the right principles but can’t seem to manage his campaign all that well. Neither Hillary nor Obama have the first clue. Last man standing is the ex Mass gov.
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Bryan dont forget Paul. His entire career in politics has been spent talkin about the economy and strengthening the dollar.
offroadaz on January 21, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Ditto. I have mutual funds riding on this election. So don’t eff it up people!
CABE on January 21, 2008 at 4:33 PM
EXACTLY.
benjamin on January 21, 2008 at 4:33 PM
“The Gainesville paper’s endorsement praised McCain’s contempt for the First Amendment, refusal to condone effective means of interrogation that have been proven lifesavers, stabbing the Bush Administration in the back at every opportunity, and support of the carbon trading scheme Al Gore cooked up with Ken Lay in the Oval Office (no lie).”
Akzed on January 21, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Because other than on Immigration are the other Candidates besides Fred any more conservative than McCain ?
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 4:37 PM
This election is all about:
1 – The Fairness Doctrine (or, media control)
2 – Amnesty.
The MSM wants both of the above. If they get Hillary (or Obama) & McCain (OR Huckabee) for the nominees… they win on both counts, either way.
Go vote like the future of this Country depends on it because … IT DOES !
stenwin77 on January 21, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Two more liberal endorsments for McCain, two more reasons not to vote for him. Go Mitt!
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 4:39 PM
The SurveyUSA poll shows McCain and Rudy taking:
The conservative vote
The Hispanic vote
OF THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY VOTED (they have early voting in FL and the survey said 20% have already voted):
31% voted for McCain
25% voted for Rudy
19% voted for Romney
11% voted for Huck
7% voted for Thompson
bnelson44 on January 21, 2008 at 4:39 PM
ALL of the Republican candidates are more conservative than McCain!
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I agree with most of the rant, except this part.
Huckabee and McCain have contributed equally to the splits that are ocurring. Both of them are poison.
a capella on January 21, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Look, McCain has a 82.3 lifetime rating on key issues as determined by the American Conservative Union (http://www.acuratings.org).
Hillary Clinton has a 9 and Barack Obama a 8.
If someone can’t see any difference between McCain and Clinton/Obama, I’m not sure what they’re looking at.
Does McCain tee me off? Sure, I’ve tossed lots of stuff at the TV over some of his baloney.
National security is still, to me, the No. 1 issue we face. Not just the danger from Islamic radical but the awakening and aggressive stances taken by Putin, the Chinese and assorted other regional powers. They are trying to weaken us globally and benefit.
Clinton and Obama have no clue how to counter-act this. None.
Second, as terrible as McCain has been on immigration, we will have at least some influence on his policies. With Clinton or Obama, we’ll have none. McCain will cave in to pressure. I’m sure of it. The others won’t.
He’s a flawed candidate to be sure; but his flaws are nothing compared to the other candidates.
And I’m convinced that only McCain can be the Democrats. I wish it were not so; but wishing is for children.
SteveMG on January 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM
John McCain: the next Bob Dole.
Akzed on January 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM
BTW Duncan Hunter was just on Fox trashing Mitt for being too weak on Defense. I hope that gets played here
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM
In the SurveyUSA poll out today for FL:
Among Moderates, McCain has twice the votes of any other candidate.
Among voters who say the Economy is the issue the next President should focus on ahead of all others, McCain is 1st, 10 atop Romney.
Among voters who say Terrorism is most important, Giuliani is 1st, 8 atop McCain.
bnelson44 on January 21, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Exactly!
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Freudian slip?
Akzed on January 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM
I don’t know who these Republicans are. McCain is polling way ahead in California, where the sheer cumulative weight of illegal aliens threatens to snap the state off from the rest of the continent at the San Andreas Fault.
Nosferightu on January 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Actually he wasn’t trashing Mitt for being weak on defense generally. He was pissed Bain (after Mitt left) had internatinal dealings that might be shady. Nice try to spin the truth though.
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM
They are strong on the issues many of us think are most important, and I think both Mitt and Rudy can be trusted more than McCain.
a capella on January 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM
WAY more than McCain!
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Because McCain is a conservative. He is just more of a moderate on a couple of issues than some people here. But he is still a conservative. As much a conservative at Mitt Romney is. See:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
bnelson44 on January 21, 2008 at 4:47 PM
But he will not endorse Mitt will he ? That is the part you left out.
Hunter knows Mitt is weak on defense.
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 4:47 PM
McCain has taken to rolling a couple ball bearings around in his hand lately. Have you noticed?
Akzed on January 21, 2008 at 4:47 PM
So is Mitt for or against abortion? Gay marriage? Avowed Gays as Scoutmasters…and dozens of other issues that he just happened to change once he decided to run for the White House?
bnelson44 on January 21, 2008 at 4:48 PM
That Survey USA poll is disturbing. If only there were a candidate named “not McCain”, conservatives would have a way to consolidate their votes. That poll, if it holds up, suggests that Fred being in it helped McC win. But kudos for FL if it holds up & huckabee gets slammed there.
Security Mom on January 21, 2008 at 4:51 PM
While I agree that the less government has to do with the economy the better, the fact of the matter is TAXES are way to high, especially corporates tax rates. The Romney pro-growth policies are what this country needs in order to remain robust and be able to compete with China and India. Also, a strong economy is going to be essential for fighting the war on terror.
It was the economy that enabled us to win WWII, and the Cold War, we need a strong economy to defeat the Jihadists.
LINK
joncoltonis on January 21, 2008 at 4:52 PM
The mainstream media has a Trojan horse and are going to ride him until they damage the Republican Party beyond repair. Conservatives are in the fight for their existence. The brainwashing of the American public is almost complete.
“A great civilization cannot be conquered from without until it destroys itself from within.” Ariel Durant
volsense on January 21, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Newspapers cited, “his willingness to take unpopular (liberal) stances” for their reason to support McCan’t. No difference between McCan’t and the dimocrats so it is win-win for the libs.
volsense on January 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM
I know what you meant here, but it’s irony was too delicious to leave unmentioned.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I agree, McCain could be a democrat, he acts just like one.
Go Romney!
paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Puleaze. Your tenacity is admirable but Paul is beyond not credible.
Bryan on January 21, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Bryan, conservatives should vote for McCain because he is a pro-life fiscal conservative who, at this time of struggle with the radical jihadists, is the best candidate to be the next Commander in Chief. That McCain knows his stuff on military matters is reflected in the fact that he has been right for years on the Iraq War, first in criticizing the Rumsfeld light footprint strategy and then in vocally supporting the surge when Democrats were declaring defeat and most Republicans seemed to be looking for a way out (e.g., Senator Lugar) or looking at their feet (e.g., Romney). That McCain knows his stuff in foreign affairs is reflected in the fact that McCain is endorsed by former Secretaries of State George Schultz, Alexander Haig, Henry Kissinger and Lawrence Eagleburger and former Navy Secretaries John Lehman and William Ball. That McCain is far more conservative than what you lead people to believe is reflected in the endorsements of Senators and former Senators including Coburn, Gramm, Coats, Brownback, Burr, Thune, Domenici, Kyl, Lott and Warner; that’s pretty conservative group but what you would expect for a man (McCain) who has an 83% approval rating in his voting record from the American Conservative Union.
Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Sorry, the facts say they have almost identical possitions on the issues. And Romney changed his to meet the requirements of the campaign.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
bnelson44 on January 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Reading minds now are we? Look, there will be a VERY large number of conservatives (the Republican base) who would NEVER vote for McCain. Most conservatives either like or could hold their nose for Romney. Rush said he could sympathize with people who would be staying home if Huckabee or McCain were the nominee. How do you get elected if your base abandons you? You don’t! A candidate could theoretically get the nomination with the support of peple who have basically ambivalent attitudes about the candidate. Will those people get out and forcefully campaign for their candidate? No way! There is one viable candidate who the base can get behind with some degree of energy…Mitt Romney. The longer it takes people to realize this the more likely it will be we get a Huckabee or McCain nomination and a Clinton or Obama Presidency who WILL affect our country in general and court system specifically for many, many years to come.
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Question: Does anyone think that a President Romney would have stuck with the surge last year?
SteveMG on January 21, 2008 at 5:11 PM
I grew up in Gainesville (home of the University of Florida). The Gainesville Sun is a liberal paper. In the fall, I bet they endorse the Dem nominee as the one to vote for.
The Sun and The Orlando Sentinel endorsed Kerry in 2004.
Pay no attention to what they think.
INC on January 21, 2008 at 5:12 PM
The first time McCain has an anger-induced rage episode in the general election, his campaign will be done. You know it’s just a matter of time.
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Yes!
Has
Teddy Swimmer KennedyJuan Plantation McVano ever even held a job outside of a government job?Ever?
MB4 on January 21, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Related.
Big S on January 21, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Yes. All of the Republican nominees (Paul excluded) would be tough in the GWOT. I’d rather have someone as President who is mentally stable as opposed to McCain.
davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Here’s the Sun’s editorial. They’re endorsing Obama as their Dem endorsement. Read it to see their mindset. They won’t be going with the Republican nominee in the fall.
INC on January 21, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Why insult Bob Dole? Besides, it’s not a fair comparison as Dole was trying to unseat a hugely popular, albeit famously scandal ridden, president where McCain gets to try to fill a vacancy. Nonetheless, it’s still not worth insulting Dole.
Brass Pair on January 21, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Looks good for Juanita McShamnesty, but I would also like to see another polling firms already voted numbers.
MB4 on January 21, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Agreed 100%. Here I am, a total FredHead conservative…but if what seems inevitable happens, I’ll most likely back the Maverick. Out of the rest of the GOP field, he’s got the best shot at beating Obama or Clinton.
And again, the Dem’s would have the toughest time bashing a guy they like to work with…and have been able to work with.
Can a true conservative back McCain? Yes.
JetBoy on January 21, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Would a President McCain support the successful Bush tax cuts? Stop amnesty? Oppose treading on the First Amendment under the guise of “Campaign Finance Reform”? Support enhanced interrogations to protect America from terrorists, when the technique has been proven to work and save lives?
amerpundit on January 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM
I would submit there is no difference between Hillary and McCain.
-Both acquiesced in the 90’s when our military was being gutted.
-Both will stake out positions opposed by their party when necessary.
-Both will change those opinions and claim otherwise when necessary.
-Both are grasping politicians.
-Both are extremely temperamental and default to personal attacks when questioned on issues.
-Both would refuse water treatment, (torture for the pansy crowd), even if lives were at stake.
-Both would nuance immigration reform and de facto grant amnesty.
-Both are more interested in consolidating small groups of power in congress than building consensus.
-Both are uniformed on economic issues and solutions.
-Both would opposed tax cuts and would cut deals to raise taxes in exchange for concessions elsewhere.
-Both condemn others when challenged on the stump.
-Both would weaken the CIA.
-Both would bluster but ultimately appease a military confrontation after the benefit of hindsight surrounding the negative outcome, (see water treatment).
-Both always point fingers for blame.
-Both will oppose conservative judges.
-Both support Global Warming
Starlink on January 21, 2008 at 5:22 PM
If McCain wins Florida then we are officially McFu***d as a party. The time to panic is now.
CABE on January 21, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Juan Plantation McVano ever even held a job outside of a government job?
Ever?
MB4 on January 21, 2008 at 5:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Return_to_United_States
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 5:24 PM
BTW somen trivia what 3 Candidates have traveled to Iraq to visit the troops ?
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 5:25 PM
For all the Romney fans on here, please watch this video and tell me Romney is as sincere as McCain is here. He has his eyes on the prize.
FLcapitalistthug on January 21, 2008 at 5:27 PM
He was governing as a Republican in a liberal state. Just like Rudy was a Republican mayor in a liberal city. Besides, those aren’t deal breakers for many of us, anyway. I don’t care if someone doesn’t fit neatly into the mold of a perfect conservative, whatever that is. Sam Brownback seemed to fit. Did that make him trustworthy? I might even suggest Newt may not now be quite what we thought.
a capella on January 21, 2008 at 5:51 PM
McCain isx not a fiscal conservative, he opposed the Bush tax cuts. He also thinks that jihadism is 5000 miles away, saying nothing to address the jihad in our schools, neighborhoods, and local governments. I do not want this amnest loving liberal who is left of George Bush in the Whitehouse.
paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 5:51 PM
John McCain is a poohead
froghat on January 21, 2008 at 5:53 PM
I will take a candidate who has moved right in his political views just as I have as I have gotten older over a liberal candidate any day of the week
Rush says McCain is Liberal,
Mark Levin says McCain is liberal,
and McCain’s own record shows how liberal he is, and he has never waivered from his liberal positions.
McAmensty is staunchly, solidly liberal!
paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Um. . . . No. No. No, and No. What is my prize?
Troy Rasmussen on January 21, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Would a President McCain support the successful Bush tax cuts?
He was against them originally – he now supports extending them – because he thought they were skewed too heavily to the top income (a fair point, IMO) and because he believed that we needed to have spending cuts as well to offset any lost revenues.
What happened to the spending restraints? It’s only been McCain who’s had the guts in the Senate along with Coburn to rein in earmarks and pork spending.
If I had known that the Republicans would have spent like liberals, I would have favored reducing the cuts.
Stop amnesty?
I agree that he was terrible on this issue. I’ve got no defense for him. He says he’ll change; I know for damned sure Clinton and Obama won’t.
Oppose treading on the First Amendment under the guise of “Campaign Finance Reform”?
Signed by Bush and upheld by SCOTUS. The law is essentially meaningless; there are dozens of ways around it.
It’s a dumb law.
Support enhanced interrogations to protect America from terrorists, when the technique has been proven to work and save lives?
He thinks it’s torture. I think it’s pretty damned close to torture and from everything I’ve read, if it’s not done correctly, it is torture.
Torture is against the law. If the President believes that a technique is torture, he is sworn to uphold the laws and forbid it.
Okay, answer my question about Romney: Would he have stuck with the surge in Iraq? Or cut and run?
I say cut and run. Covince me otherwise.
The single most important issue facing us right now is national security. McCain is far above everyone else on this issue that all of his other problems – and I admit he has them – are overcome.
SteveMG on January 21, 2008 at 6:03 PM
And you know that anger-induced rage will come as a result of some lefty accusing McAmnesty of acting too conservative. Nothing pisses John McCain off more then someone referring to him as a Conservative Republican. To him that is the most heinous of smears.
Zetterson on January 21, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Correction, the Geneva conventions provide protections for civilians and legal combattants only. There are no protections provided to illegal combattants in war time.
Govenor Romeny supports expanding Guantanamo, while Senator McAmensty is ashamed of it.
paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 6:11 PM
The reason they love McCain in Florida is because he’s among peers… The place is crawling with retirees. The only reason McCain should be headed to Florida is to settle down at The Villages.
(Come on, I can’t be the only one who’s seen the commercials about a million too many times?)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TdlW6ckdXFw
RightWinged on January 21, 2008 at 6:15 PM
It amazes me that liberal newspapers have the nerve to issue endorsements in GOP primaries. I’d like to believe that GOP voters merely roll their eyes at this MSM conceit. Unfortunately, too many are swayed by it.
infidel65 on January 21, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Wide stances? (ducking, running).
Feedie on January 21, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Correction, the Geneva conventions provide protections for civilians and legal combattants only. There are no protections provided to illegal combattants in war time.
The UN Convention Against Torture (http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html), which the US is a signatory to, forbids torture against anyone – legal or illegal combatants.
There are other international treaties other than Geneva Conventions that the US has signed on to that forbid torture.
The issue is whether waterboarding is torture. If it is, it’s against the law and the President cannot allow it.
SteveMG on January 21, 2008 at 6:23 PM
In McCain’s defense-
-McCain supported tax cuts, although less extensive than the Bush plan, that included controls on government spending. Since when is fiscal restraint – which effectively limits government – not a conservative value?
-Obviously he hasn’t supported the Republican Party on immigration reform, but it’s worth noting that the Republican Party’s position on immigration reform is to sit back and watch our borders be overrun.
-He’s also against waterboarding, on the basis that he doesn’t want to encourage foreign armies to treat our troops the way the Vietnamese treated him. Right or wrong – and I think he’s giving our enemies far too much credit as rational actors – it’s hardly the most important issue in the ongoing war on jihad. He’s the most credible commander-in-chief, and one of the most willing to recognize our real enemies and take the fight to them. Hopefully that’s worth more to conservatives than his lack of support for a seldom-used interrogation tactic of dubious intelligence value.
-Campaign finance reform may not be a conservative issue, but I’d think Republicans might want to make it one after the Abramoff debacle.
-This is just for the commenters who’ve pledged to stay home if McCain goes up against Hillary: McCain has a lifetime rating of 83 out of 100 from the American Conservative Union. Clinton has a lifetime rating of… 9. Mr. Conservative himself, Fred:( , scored an 86. In fairness, it would have been 100, but for Thompson’s ardent support of McCain’s campaign finance reform.
RightOFLeft on January 21, 2008 at 6:30 PM
“Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said that if she became president, the federal government would take a more active role in the economy to address what she called the excesses of the market and of the Bush administration.” NY Times, 1/21/08.
Great, let’s let her run things because McCain isn’t a real true blue conservative (despite an 82 ACU rating).
Yes, he drives me crazy; but the alternative would be a complete, total disaster.
And I’m convinced, unfortunately, that McCain is the only person who can gain enough moderate votes to defeat Clinton or Obama. If someone can persuade me otherwise, I’d be glad to switch.
The Reagan Coalition is gone. We need to assemble a new group. As Lincoln said, our problems are anew; we must think anew.
SteveMG on January 21, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Yeah, well his solution wasn’t to just cut loose the confederate states in order to assemble a new Union Coalition.
Deety on January 21, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Yeah, well his solution wasn’t to just cut loose the confederate states in order to assemble a new Union Coalition.
“Ladie and gentleman, please rise for the 44th President of the United States, the Commander in Chief of all US armed forces, the chief law enforcement officer of the US, the CEO of America, Inc. and the head of state, Czarina, er, President Hillary Rodham (or whatever she’s using) Clinton.”
No thanks.
SteveMG on January 21, 2008 at 6:46 PM
SteveMG on January 21, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Ack!
and sadly, THE only reason to vote for some of these cats on the Repub side, if they take the nomination~
Who would be McCain’s Vice, though????
bridgetown on January 21, 2008 at 7:00 PM
You admit this:
and can still say this:
with a straight face?
Gianni on January 21, 2008 at 7:28 PM
If McCain wins the nomination, there isn’t a chance in hell I’d vote for him. Failing the nomination of someone more conservative, let’s hope we get a decent 3rd party candidate…
Livefreeordie on January 21, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Succinct. Concise. Eloquent. True
tom on January 21, 2008 at 7:40 PM
“I agree that he was terrible on this issue. I’ve got no defense for him. ”
Was. Past tense.
I believe that he will be swayed by people like us to focus on enforcement first.
Others can obviously disagree; and I can understand why.
Sorry, the prettiest girl in the room isn’t going out with us. We can sit home and mope about it; or check out the rest of the bar.
SteveMG on January 21, 2008 at 7:40 PM
McCain: Tough in Iraq
yet
Surrenders to Mexico
Bicyea on January 21, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Didn’t Hamdan v Rumsfeld change that?
The conservative jurists – Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas dissented on this idiotic and very dangerous decision.
This is one more example of why we have to keep Dems out of the White House, and can’t stay home in protest just because our favorite candidate didn’t make the cut with voters.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM
I am sceptical of that poll, Rasmussen, who I consider more accurate based on track records says the opposite.
In Florida, Romney leads among conservative voters, attracting 28% of them. Giuliani is second with 18%.
Huckabee leads among the state’s Evangelical Christian voters, but his lead is not as substantial as in earlier states. Huckabee currently attracts 25% of the Evangelical vote, Romney 20%, and Thompson 17%.
Giuliani is viewed favorably by 74% of Likely Primary Voters. Romney’s favorables are at 70%, Thompson at 66%, McCain at 64%, Huckabee at 54% and Paul at 28%.
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 8:44 PM
when’s the debate anyway? It’s gonna be nasty I expect
hoping for a code red moment for McCain
I expect this will come from Rudy
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 8:48 PM
ameripundit re your 5:20 PM post, that you don’t know that John McCain has stated for some time now that he would make permanant the Bush tax cuts while working to cut federal spending suggests that you need actually to hear John McCain on the issues. John McCain originally opposed the Bush tax cuts because they did not include spending cuts and spending then got out of control; to McCain, the more Reaganesque position was to call for both tax cuts and spending cuts. More than any other candidate, McCain is a fiscal hawk serious about cutting spending.
As for use of interrogation techniques, it depends whether torture is used. McCain has strongly opposed the use of torture for four reasons: (i) the struggle with the radical jihadists is in good part an ideological struggle and the use of torture undercuts our ideological position as the beacon of civilized, democratic behavior; (ii) use of torture is banned by an international convention (”UNCAT”) to which the U.S. has been a signatory for years and the U.S. shoudl uphold its international obligations particularly during the struggle with the terrorists; (iii) the American military tradition is the humane treatment of prisoners and departing from that tradition is unwise; and (iv) use of torture is morally wrong — remember McCain spent six years as a P.O.W. during which time he was subjected to real torture by sadistic North Vietnamese guards and thus has knowledge of what torure means in reality. In short, as to torture, McCain has taken the larger perspective so that we achieve victory against the radical jihadist terrorists.
As for respecting the First Amendment, John Mccain has a good record on that. What you presumably are concerned about is campaign finance reform, which was an attempt at regulating the electoral process so as to reduce the influence of money on politics, which on its face is not a violation fo the First Amendment. The problems in the law are not its intent but are definitional ones that are in the hands of the U.S. Supreme Court. I doubt that it is an issue in the future; radical jihadism will be.
Finally, John McCain has been saying for months that he got the message, that law enforcement in immigration matters comes first. Actually, the current problem stems from the fact that the law enforcement provisions in the 1980s law signed by none other than President Reagan were not enforced. Last summer’s bill had law enforcement provisions that if enforced would mean that there would not be amnnesty, but as McCain acknowledges, the American people did not believe that the law enforcement provisions woudl be enforced and until they are, no other measures are acceptable.
The foregoing should fully answer your quesitions. Now how about SteveMG’s point that Romney would not have stuck wth the surge? My answer is that Romney would not have instituted the surge, much less stuck with it and that as to military matters, national security and foreign affaairs, Romney simply does not have ther experience and knowledge that a Republican candidate needs to have. McCain does.
Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Phil
strong arguments but my question is
what about McCain’s Gang of 14 shenanengans?
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 8:59 PM
livefreeordie re your 7:39 PM post: your position means that you must be looking forward to a Hillary Clinton Presidency. Hillary is an anti-military, pro-choice socialist who will increase federal spending and be an appeaser in foreign policy. McCain, on the other hand, is a pro-life fiscal conservative who will cut federal spending and who will be a hawk in foreign policy. Th eonly conclusion that I can draw is that the left wing Kos would be a better place for you to post.
Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Excuse me paulsure re your 5:51 PM post; John McCain is a fiscal conservative. Like ameripundit, you seem not to know that John McCain has stated for some time now that he would make permanant the Bush tax cuts while working to cut federal spending suggests that you need actually to hear John McCain on the issues; that John McCain originally opposed the Bush tax cuts because they did not include spending cuts and spending then got out of control — to McCain, the more Reaganesque position was to call for both tax cuts and spending cuts; and that more than any other candidate, McCain is a fiscal hawk serious about cutting spending. That’s why John McCain is a fiscal conservative. And how do you think he got his 83% lifetime rating from the American COnservative Union?
Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 9:36 PM
To windansea re 8:59 PM post: you ask about the “Gang of 14.” Glad you raised it. Because something that makes Democrat Chuckie Schumer as unhappy as did the “Gang of 14″ should suggest that you have it wrong.
Please recall that there was a Schumer led Democrat filibuster of Bush judicial nominees. While it was said that the fillibuster had not been invoked historically with respect to judicial nominations, that was because judicial nominations were once not political. They are now, because of the Democrats, and Schumer intended to block conservative nominees.
There was under consideration a so-called “constitutional option” of changing the fillibuster rules so that they could not be invoked as to judicial nominees. The problems with that “option” were: (i) that it was not known whether it would have been passed — many Senators were quietly leery of changing fillibuster rules; and (ii) if it did pass, if there were a Democrat Congress with the White House in Democrat hands, the road would be open to appoint left wingers to the U.S. Supreme Court and to the U.S. Courts of Appeals. We of course now have a Democrat Congress as a result of the 2006 election and may have a Hillary Clinton Presidency as a result of the 2008 election. Also, had the constitutional option not been passed, it would have meant a blockage of all or almost all of Bush’s judicial nominees.
What the “Gang of 14″ refers to was a compromise brokered by a group of Republican and Democrat Senators to allow Bush nominees to be voted on and thus approved unless there be extraordinary circumstances. That way, the Bush nominees to the U.S. Supreme Court and most of the Bush nominees to the U.S. Courts of Appeals could be confirmed without changing fillibuster rules or running the risk of having a complete blockage on conservative confirmations. In fact, John Roberts and Sam Alito were confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court and a great number of Bush nominees to the U.S. Courts of Appeals were confirmed. As a result, Chuckie Schumer is complaining that the Democrats were snookered. Yet, McCain is pilloried because of the Senate compromise that can fairly be said to have snookered Chuckie. Wrong.
I realize that there are a number of conservatives who complain that the Senate compromise consisted of shenanigans that were indefensible and that the constitutional option needed to be implemented. All I can say is that I think that view is childishly indefensible. It does not take into account the long term consequences of changing fillibuster rules, the consequences if the constitutional option had been voted on and not passed and what was secured by the Senate compromise. More than indefensible, the Senate compromise was the better way to go. An adult such as John McCain understood that. An uncivil screamer such as Levin — who calls callers “dummies” on the air — apparently cannot.
Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:00 PM
McCain will be out by mid-February.
As will the Huckster.
Romney-Rudy looks like the hand being dealt.
And they’ll beat Hillary-Edwards by sheer gravitas.
It’ll then be up to the conservative voters to press R&R hard, once they get into in office, to reverse the Big Government trend of GWB and his limp-spined RINOs …who couldn’t keep the spending restrained [SEE: Prescription Drug Boodoggle], even with control of both the Congress and White House.
And our nation then needs to take the fight to the Jihadis, globally, with more resolve than shown so far. Beginning in Waziristan, to extinguish OBL, Zawahiri and the rest of that nest of psychopaths, while we have the decisive military advantage. (Such Balances of Power are always shifting, and it will only tilt against us, the longer we wait.)
Them, technologically, we need to economically-geld the Saudis with a Manhattan Program for Energy Independence.
The Dems will never go that route.
R&R could be spurred there with a true conservative movement rising up and rallying them.
profitsbeard on January 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM
profitsbeard re 10:29 PM post: while I share your appreciation for R&R (and so does McCain) and your call for aggressive struggle with the radical jihadists (and McCain is the one who will wage that fight), I think that your predictions in favor of Romney-Rudy are way, way off. Also, Rudy would join with McCain because they are friends, but not Romney.
Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM
windansea: I take it that my 10:00 PM post has left you without reply. Think about what I have written. It seems that too many conservative pundits are not thinking clearly right now. If, however, you are a true conservative, then you think for yourself.
Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM
OK, J-Mac is not the ideal candidate, but he can win in Nov (unlike Huck & Mitt), & he’s less liberal & more clean than Rudy. We ought not to tear him up too badly.
jgapinoy on January 22, 2008 at 12:15 AM
He said that he has not changed his position. If he didn’t change his position after last summer, why should I believe he will in the future?
Gianni on January 22, 2008 at 12:46 AM
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