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Rush Limbaugh: “I can see possibly not supporting a Republican nominee”

posted at 8:13 pm on January 21, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It’s come to this. An idle threat, surely — he won’t kneecap McCain if it means President Hillary — but it’s as close to a Romney endorsement from him as you’re going to get.

Meanwhile, Carl Cameron reported at around 7:15 that Fred’s aides say he won’t be at the Florida debate on Thursday, just in case you’re wondering which way tomorrow’s big announcement is heading.

Exit question: Is Bainbridge right?

Update: More Cameron. I just don’t believe it:

Fred Thompson sources say the actor and former Tenn senator may withdraw from the race. There are no plans to attend Thursday’s Florida debate…

From THE FIRST DAY FoxNews broke the story last March of his candidacy, Thompson has always had a vice presidential bid in mind.


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tocsin and sintax. DAMN! – JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 11:09 PM

If only you knew who I am.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Obama is a class warfare socialist, why would conservatives vote for that?

The alternative is President Hillary Clinton.

I’ll be crossing party lines on the 5th, the republican party has jumped the shark.

Dorvillian on January 21, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Ok, it took me a while to catch on but I think I’ve got it now. Huck’s campaign sent Harald in to shill for him, so McCain’s campaign sent you. ‘Nuff said.

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 11:13 PM

What has me upset about McCain? Hmmm. Let me count just a few of the ways…

1. Gang of 14
2. Shamnesty
3. McCain Feingold
4. bashing evangelicals in 2000
5. lobbying/voting against the Bush tax cuts

And damn straight I am emotional. This is MY country. I believe in the greatness of this nation. And I take electing its leader with all the seriousness that is required.

I am also not someone who can be swayed by campaign rhetoric. I’ve watched John McCain spit on the base of this party for far too long. Well, guess what Mr. Maverick Man? This time you have to listen and the answer is no!

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 11:15 PM

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Please desist. Your enthusiasm has lost its charm and become a droning buzz.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:15 PM

To NemoParticularis re 11:07 PM: I am a lawyer who graduated from Harvard Law School and who practices law in Manhattan. I don’t do what you refer to; I don’t even drink during the weekdays; I am cold sober and serious with what I write here. Your glibness does not hide the fact that you do not respond to my substantive points why consrvatices should vote for McCain.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:17 PM

All the arguments for and against voting for someone I don’t like to potentially keep the party in the White House next year are such a buffet for thought. I am truly torn over which way to go.
On the one hand, I despise walking away from principles. On the other hand, I despise the total annihilation of America as we know it.
I understand the idea of letting a dem in and when everything falls apart, we can all point fingers and be Nelson- HA HA! I do agree with letting someone take full responsibility for their screw ups, but in this case, it’s not just the dems who would have to live with this. We would all reap what they have sown, and that’s a very bitter harvest.
Does the GOP need a rebuild? Yes. Can we equate it to tearing down a decrepit building to rebuild fresh instead of slathering on a fresh coat of paint over a rotten core? Yes. My problem is wondering just how much work would have to be done to redeem the situation afterwards. I don’t see the point of tearing down a decrepit, but well-built building that might take extra time and effort to start fresh building a shanty. I have to wonder how much it would take to get the foundation strong enough to even build that shanty.
Am I willing to let the dems completely tear this country apart for, potentially, eight years, knowing that it could well take the rest of my lifetime and well into my son’s to begin to make things right again? Just so I can Nelson? Just so I can feel justified when I stick a bumper sticker on my car that says, ‘Don’t blame me, I voted _____’?
Yes, I understand the point that a left-leaning repub wouldn’t be much better, but when we’re taking degrees here, how much better is enough to justify voting for anyone but a dem?
I worry that voting for a dem, with a dem congress, makes them virtually invincible. That they know it, and will run with it as fast as they can, as far from sane as possible. That the republican party won’t learn from this. That it will be another 2006 election over, and over and over again.
I know my arguments are simplistic, that just getting interested and involved in politics in the not-so-distant past makes me seem childish compared to some of the views and arguments I’ve read here, but in all honesty, I am most of America. When I do open up and say anything about politics, even simple things, I’m like the political genius in the room. I’m sure there are a lot of people who read HA and other blogs who are just like me, wondering which direction to twist in the wind of this harsh political landscape.

LickyLicky on January 21, 2008 at 11:19 PM

SimplyKim,

I just want to say between you and Phil the issue went from “John McCain” to your “emotional state”. There is a term for this: Ad hominem.

Weebork on January 21, 2008 at 11:19 PM

What has me upset about McCain? Hmmm. Let me count just a few of the ways… – SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 11:15 PM

A defiant conservative bitch to the very last. Good God, woman…I do love you so.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:19 PM

If only you knew who I am.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:12 PM

You are nobody in particular. What you say matters. And I am paying attention, so far.

JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 11:20 PM

I dislike dems more than anyone, especially the ice queen, but I have a gut feeling Hillary is meaner than any terrorist. Seriously, I think even the Dems will do what they can to protect our country (things change when you’re responsible and you take the oath).
jwp1964 on January 21, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Well, I don’t think I’d go that far. But I do agree with you that Hillary is at least as dangerous as an Islamic Terrorist. She would “Fosterize” anyone who interfered with her plans to turn America into ‘a socialist paradise’.

There aren’t more than two or three Dem. Senators and a dozen Dem. Congress Critters that would care about protecting the country for the sake of the Nation…
But most of them would fight back to preserve their power.

LegendHasIt on January 21, 2008 at 11:22 PM

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:04 PM

You sound like the right wing version of a nattering nabob of negativity, and as pompous as the day is long. Kinda like what my very wise father used to refer to as a “horse’s ass”.

doubleplusundead on January 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I think he plans on sitting out the election because a conservative savior isn’t among the candidates – in his egocentric opinion. These FredHeads are really quite radical, and I don’t mean that as a compliment.

By the way, I do not confuse Fred supporters with Fred Heads. The former are thoughtful and reasonable while the latter are teetering on the brink.

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:22 PM

To NemoParticularis re 11:07 PM: I am a lawyer who graduated from Harvard Law School… – Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:17 PM

LOL. ‘Nuff said. That alone disqualifies you from any serious political discourse. Sorry Phil…in conservative cricles, Harvard lost its panache several decades ago.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:23 PM

You are nobody in particular. What you say matters. And I am paying attention, so far. – JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 11:20 PM

We know each other. Somehow. Some way…even if we don’t. I don’t think I need to elaborate further.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:26 PM

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:22 PM

*yawn*

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:27 PM

If only you knew who I am.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Adam Gadahn?

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:27 PM

There is some good post on this subject. My vote: NO on McVain, No on Rudy, Hold the nose on Huck, YES on Mitt.
I am a “Bible Thumpin” Evangelical and I will vote for Mitt if he is nominated. However, I will continue to run his people away from my front door!

livermush on January 21, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:22 PM

egocentric opinion = an opinion Buy Danish does not agree with.

Kinda like what my very wise father used to refer to as a “horse’s ass”.

Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle… Pot.

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 11:28 PM

LOL. ‘Nuff said. That alone disqualifies you from any serious political discourse. Sorry Phil…in conservative cricles, Harvard lost its panache several decades ago.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Now now…there’s nothing wrong with Harvard really…the fact that he went out of his way to mention his law school and the place where he practices is what got me…as if there was something more derisive than simply claiming he’s a lawyer. I guess he managed it tho. hmmm…

Pilgrim on January 21, 2008 at 11:32 PM

To SimplyKimberly: lets take your issues.

1. “Gang of 14″

Please recall that there was a Schumer led Democrat filibuster of Bush judicial nominees. While it was said that the fillibuster had not been invoked historically with respect to judicial nominations, that was because judicial nominations were once not political. They are now, because of the Democrats, and Schumer intended to block conservative nominees.

There was under consideration a so-called “constitutional option” of changing the fillibuster rules so that they could not be invoked as to judicial nominees. The problems with that “option” were: (i) that it was not known whether it would have been passed — many Senators were quietly leery of changing fillibuster rules; and (ii) if it did pass, if there were a Democrat Congress with the White House in Democrat hands, the road would be open to appoint left wingers to the U.S. Supreme Court and to the U.S. Courts of Appeals. We of course now have a Democrat Congress as a result of the 2006 election and may have a Hillary Clinton Presidency as a result of the 2008 election. Also, had the constitutional option not been passed, it would have meant a blockage of all or almost all of Bush’s judicial nominees.

What the “Gang of 14″ refers to was a compromise brokered by a group of Republican and Democrat Senators to allow Bush nominees to be voted on and thus approved unless there be extraordinary circumstances. That way, the Bush nominees to the U.S. Supreme Court and most of the Bush nominees to the U.S. Courts of Appeals could be confirmed without changing fillibuster rules or running the risk of having a complete blockage on conservative confirmations. In fact, John Roberts and Sam Alito were confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court and a great number of Bush nominees to the U.S. Courts of Appeals were confirmed. As a result, Chuckie Schumer is complaining that the Democrats were snookered. Yet, McCain is pilloried because of the Senate compromise that can fairly be said to have snookered Chuckie. Wrong.

I realize that there are a number of conservatives who complain that the Senate compromise consisted of shenanigans that were indefensible and that the constitutional option needed to be implemented. All I can say is that I think that view is childishly indefensible. It does not take into account the long term consequences of changing fillibuster rules, the consequences if the constitutional option had been voted on and not passed and what was secured by the Senate compromise. More than indefensible, the Senate compromise was the better way to go. An adult such as John McCain understood that. An uncivil screamer such as Levin — who calls callers “dummies” on the air — apparently cannot.

2. Bush Tax Cuts

John McCain originally opposed the Bush tax cuts because they did not include spending cuts and spending then got out of control, which did cause problems; to McCain, the more Reaganesque position was to call for both tax cuts and spending cuts, which he did. John McCain has stated for some time now, that he would make permanent the Bush tax cuts (otherwise there would be an effective tax increase) while working to cut federal spending. More than any other candidate, McCain is a fiscal hawk serious about cutting spending.

3. Immigration

John McCain has been saying for months that he got the message, that law enforcement in immigration matters comes first. Actually, the current problem stems from the fact that the law enforcement provisions in the 1980s law signed by none other than President Reagan were not enforced. Last summer’s bill had law enforcement provisions that if enforced would mean that there would not be amnnesty, but as McCain acknowledges, the American people did not believe that the law enforcement provisions would be enforced and until they are, no other measures are acceptable. What you should be worried about is if Hillary of Obama is elected President; they fault Bush for not being successful in persuading Congress to pass last summer’s immigration bill and they don’t care about law enforcement. It will be full speed ahead to amnesty.

4. McCain-Feingold

Just what has you upset? As for respecting the First Amendment, John Mccain has a good record on that. What you presumably are concerned about is campaign finance reform, which was an attempt at regulating the electoral process so as to reduce the influence of money on politics, which on its face is not a violation of the First Amendment. The problems in the law are not its intent but are definitional ones that are in the hands of the U.S. Supreme Court. I doubt that it is an issue in the future; radical jihadism will be.

5. Bashing Evangelicals in 2000

McCain did not bash and never has bashed evangelical Christians as a group. He did lash out against some evangelical leaders who were engaged in hard ball politics in the 2000 South Carolina primary. This year in the South Carolina primary, McCain did fairly well with evangelicals as a group; only Huckabee got more of the evangelical vote. You should not doubt that McCain is a believing Christian; he is. You must have missed what was the best Christmas ad when he describes being a P.O.W. and one of the North Vietnamese guards who showed him kindness made a sign of the cross.

Now, SimplyKimberly, will you deal with the points that I was obviously making in my 11:09 PM post? Among other things, John McCain really is the most qualified of the candidates to be thenext Commander in Chief, which is no small matter in this time of war with the radical jihadists.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:33 PM

Rush Limbaugh: “I can see possibly not supporting a Republican nominee”

Awe is Rushies feelings hurt that he isn’t the king maker he thought he was?

bnelson44 on January 21, 2008 at 11:35 PM

I am a “Bible Thumpin” Evangelical and I will vote for Mitt if he is nominated. However, I will continue to run his people away from my front door! – livermush on January 21, 2008 at 11:27 PM

LOL. I like you, livermush! I respect the Mormons. They are clean lining folk: don’t drink, don’t smoke, etc. Plus, Marie Osmond is still a hottie – even if she pulled that absurd fainting stunt on that idiotic reality dancing show.

Nevertheless, I, like you, take great pains to shoo them away when they appear on my porch. My favorite gambit is to open the door while stark naked with a dead chicken in my left hand and a butcher knife in my right hand and ask them if they would like to join me in a sacrifice to Jo-bu-bu.

The ones that don’t faint outright sure as hell hightail it to the road, PDQ.

Heh.heh.heh…it’s ALL good, livermush. It’s all good.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1957367/posts

VERY on-topic post. Can’t miss it.

LickyLicky on January 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM

To NemoParticularis and Pilgrim: I will remind you that U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Roberts is a graduate of the Harvard Law School. I think that conservatives were quite happy with his nomination and confirmation, as they should have.

Your clever but empty reporte still does not hide the fact that you can’t deal with my substantive points.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM

To bnelson re 11:35 PM post: that is definitely part of the problem. I am gald to see someone else around here seeing it for what it is.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:37 PM

Seriously Phil, have I NOT made myself patently clear in that there is no way in hell I will vote for Juan McLiar?

Do I seem torn somehow?

Are talking points really going to make me change my mind? Do I strike you as being at all unsure in my decision?

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 11:39 PM

South Carolina’s Big Loser: Talk Radio – Michael Medved, Townhall

bnelson44 on January 21, 2008 at 11:40 PM

To Stashiu3 re 11:13 PM post: no, the John McCain campaign did not send me to post comments here. I am posting because I am concerned who will be the next Commander in Chief. My older son is a U.S. Army First Lieutenant with Ranger tab who until last October served 15 months in Iraq as a platoon leader and who earned a Bronze Star and an Army Commendation Medal for actions under fire; and my younger son will be commissioned a U.S. Marines Second Lieutenant in May having already passed officer training at Quantico. When you have flesh and blood on the front lines, it matters who is and will be the Commander in Chief; and John McCain is by far heads above all other candidates in terms of who is qualified to be the next Commander in Chief.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:43 PM

I was talking with a lady tonight from NC. Well, actually, she was talking to my mother in law and I was listening. The subject got to politics and she volunteered that there are a lot of people in the South who are veterans and related to military folks and they like McCain. It is heresay and definately not scientific, but I found it interesting. Maybe McCain has a strength in the South I didn’t know about.

bnelson44 on January 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Medved is a joke.

The big loser was America.

Dorvillian on January 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Your clever but empty reporte still does not hide the fact that you can’t deal with my substantive points. – Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Um…Phil…the word is “repartee,” not “reporte.” And I’m pretty sure the word you meant to use was “persiflage.” Moreover, your so-called points were anything but substantive.

So much for a Harvard education. By any chance, were you a legacy? That would explain much…

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM

zzz medved is a pro amnesty shill nuff said.

Tacitus on January 21, 2008 at 11:46 PM

What has me upset about McCain? Hmmm. Let me count just a few of the ways…

1. Gang of 14
2. Shamnesty
3. McCain Feingold
4. bashing evangelicals in 2000
5. lobbying/voting against the Bush tax cuts

And damn straight I am emotional. This is MY country. I believe in the greatness of this nation. And I take electing its leader with all the seriousness that is required.

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 11:15 PM

Of all of my McCainism’s that I truly hate the most (THIS is what government’s for, right??? was his pushing the TV industries move towards digital TV signal. And he decided this because???? Oh, that’s right…Umm..sorry, I can’t really come up with an answer!!!

HarryStar on January 21, 2008 at 11:47 PM

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 11:28 PM

There are plenty of people I don’t agree with, like Phil Byler, but I still respect them.

No sooner had I said he was ‘egocentric’ he made his “if only you knew who I am” comment. I was thinking Adam Gadahn since he seems to delight at the thought of our mutually assured destruction. In any case, I would not be surprised to learn that he is typing from a cave somewhere.

Update! He’s imitating Paris Hilton now by describing Marie Osmond as a “hottie”.

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:48 PM

SimplyKimberly re 11:39 PM post: I spent the time that I did, particularly in my 11:33 PM post, in discussing the issues in response to your comments because your positon, I believe, is unsupportable. To me, one defining characteristic of a true conservative is the willingness to reason matters out and THINK, not letting emotions rule. All I see from you in the end, however, is an emotionally stated position and a refusal to deal with the issues rationally. Indeed, you say not one word concerning the points in my 11:33 PM post.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM

Well kiddies, it’s close to the Witching Hour and Captain Nemo has to submerge for the night.

Sweet dreams to my friends…horrid nightmares to the others.

God bless America.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:43 PM

And I just retired not long ago as an Army Major. So again, I appreciate that your son’s are serving (although I have to wonder how many times you’ve cut&pasted that comment) and doing so well.

I do not want John McCain as Commander in Chief because I don’t trust him. Your talking points above (again, cut&pasted from previous comments you’ve made… tacky) are directly from his campaign spin. They do not, IMO, reflect reality. He should have gone ahead and switched parties, it would have been more honest.

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM

To Harry Star re 11:47 PM post: see my 11:33 PM post for detailed responses as to the list you put up. As for pushing TV to digital, the one new issue you raise, your post is not clear why there is a problem (and I have not seen this raised before). What I can say is that the move to digital is toward a better TV future. It would happen with or without John McCain.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM

Phil. Dude!

I am a conservative and what I THINK about McCain’s record, and not some election season lobbying, is that he is just not the man for the job. Sorry, but the record trumps the rhetoric. I have seen all that I need to see.

Take your spin somewhere else. I’m not buying. And since you seek to cast me in an “emotional” light, instead of one steeped in known facts that have been cast out there for all the world to see, this is the end. You have no game.

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 11:57 PM

Here’s the horse’s asses’ blog. You can email him if you want to be his friend!

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:57 PM

The subject got to politics and she volunteered that there are a lot of people in the South who are veterans and related to military folks and they like McCain. It is heresay and definately not scientific, but I found it interesting. Maybe McCain has a strength in the South I didn’t know about.

bnelson44 on January 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM

That is definitely a MSM talking point, but I’m in the South and haven’t seen that at all. I don’t hear anyone in the military or retired talking up McCain… more the opposite. But I don’t know everyone… maybe I missed it.

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 11:57 PM

Sweet dreams to my friends…horrid nightmares to the others.

God bless America.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM

You’re a riot :) Sleep well and refresh those creative muses.

Entelechy on January 21, 2008 at 11:57 PM

New found respect for Rush. I’m sticking to my conservative principles…nice to see Rush doing the same!

ihasurnominashun on January 22, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Stashiu3 re 11:53 PM post: you attacked me for being planted by the McCain campaign, which is not true. So I explained why I care, and you attack me for cutting and pasting comments. What you don’t do is to deal with the substantive points I am making. What is tacky is the kind of attack you make coupled with the failure to address substance.

You say you don’t trust McCain but don’t say why. You can go to the McCain web site and see how many military people who do trust McCain. And speaking of trust, I don’t see in any of the other candidates someone who is as nearly trustworthy as McCain when it comes to military matters.

Phil Byler on January 22, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Anything can happen. It could be a brokered convention. So Fred should stay in. He might even be the compromise nominee. It’s not as if McCain is knocking them out of the park — he got less in SC than he did eight years ago, against three instead of two opponents.

I despise McAmnesty and Huckabee. It seems neither have a lot of strength there either. Who knows how Rudy will do? It could come down to a brokered convention.

So getting out now seems dumb. Maybe just dialing it down.

whiskey_199 on January 22, 2008 at 12:01 AM

I’ll be crossing party lines on the 5th, the republican party has jumped the shark.
++++++++++++

You know what? This really does say it. If Fred isn’t the nominee, I’ll vote for the Dim. Not kidding.

fabrexe on January 22, 2008 at 12:03 AM

As of 9PM tonite, Fred is not dropping out, and it is business as usual as of tomorrow

ConservativePartyNow on January 22, 2008 at 12:06 AM

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 11:39 PM

As with the Huck supporters, these McCain people still don’t get it. We are thinking generational, much like our enemys but with a higher purpose. They… just to beat the dems…and we wind up with the same thing…What’s that called in essence…an oligarchy? We are so close to that now I can’t tell the diffference.

jerrytbg on January 22, 2008 at 12:06 AM

SimplyKimberly re 11:57 PM post: you may think you are conservative, but what I am basically telling you is that you are not truly acting like one. I address issues; my 11:33 PM post, for example, is a discussion of the items you merely listed to show that opposition to McCain based on that list is not remotely justified and that you are not considering the important aspects to McCain’s candidacy that should be attractive to conservatives. That is not spinning; that is called engaging in a political dialogue. Your response, however, is a non-reasoned refusal to consider the points that I am making.

Phil Byler on January 22, 2008 at 12:08 AM

Good News!

According to Freerepublic.com Fred may appear at the Florida debate, his mother’s health has improved.

I know Fred! is a long shot…but he is our only hope.

I sincerely hope his name is on the ballot on the 5th, otherwise there will be no republican to vote for.

Dorvillian on January 22, 2008 at 12:13 AM

To jerrytbg re 12:06 PM post: one thing that would help is if you would write something that makes sense. “McCain people still don’t get it”? Not get what? “[T]hinking generational but with a higher purpose”? Say what? “What’s that called in essence . . . an oligarchy?” Huh?

If you are saying that there is no real difference between the Democrats and the Republicans, then you are sorely mistaken.

Phil Byler on January 22, 2008 at 12:13 AM

McCain is nowhere near the top of my list but if he becomes the nominee, I will support him.

Those few of you who say you’ll either abstain from voting in the General or worse, will vote Dem, please think of the impact that will have on the men and women fighting Islamofacsism overseas.

CliffHanger on January 22, 2008 at 12:17 AM

You thought I was attacking you? Ok fine. It might be best if you don’t find out what an attack really is then. When you make some substantive points, I may address them. Vomiting up campaign spin that doesn’t reflect reality doesn’t count.

I’ve said why I don’t trust him. He claims to be Republican and always acts like a Democrat. He won’t admit that McCain-Feingold attacks free speech, he won’t admit his immigration plan for illegals was amnesty… or even that he doesn’t still want it implemented, and he won’t admit that the Gang of 14 was wrong. When a coalition of politicians agree to scratch each other’s backs on a particular issue instead of representing their constituents, it’s wrong. There are procedural rules in place to address deadlocks, just as there are immigration rules in place that allow a path to citizenship.

He should have switched parties… It would have been more honest and I could have respected that. Now, please save the rest of your cut&paste of the McCain website… use a link instead.

Stashiu3 on January 22, 2008 at 12:17 AM

Update: More Cameron. I just don’t believe it:

His campaign makes sense if he was shooting for a VP spot.

bnelson44 on January 22, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Mark Levin also caves in! He now surrenders to and endorses McCaine, Well… Sort of.

Egfrow on January 22, 2008 at 12:20 AM

If you are saying that there is no real difference between the Democrats and the Republicans McCain, then you are sorely mistaken absolutely right.

Phil Byler on January 22, 2008 at 12:13 AM

FIFY

Stashiu3 on January 22, 2008 at 12:20 AM

I’ll be crossing party lines on the 5th, the republican party has jumped the shark.
++++++++++++

You know what? This really does say it. If Fred isn’t the nominee, I’ll vote for the Dim. Not kidding.

fabrexe on January 22, 2008 at 12:03 AM

Same here. It might take another Jimmy Carter liberal to convince the electorate that we need another Reagan conservative.

/Fred, or I stay home and hang out with Bainbridge.

TCJ on January 22, 2008 at 12:21 AM

I do not understand the notion that, as conservatives, we have to decide between taking the cyanide pill and die outright (vote for Sen Clinton), or take a big swig of chlorine and hope that it doesn’t kill us (vote for either Sen McCain or Gov Huckabee). Such “less of two evils” arguments is just utter rubbish.

This is where I think the sentiment of conservatives sitting out the next election if its between the above choices stems from. Picking either McCain or Huckabee is, in a sense, violating some of the conservative principles that we adhere to. By voting for them, we are acknowledging their non-conservative credentials.

So do we pick our poison, or just refuse to take either (by sitting out)?

Weebork on January 22, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Phil Byler on January 22, 2008 at 12:13 AM

To quote a fellow traveler, “yawn”.
You know exactly what i was saying. Good night.

jerrytbg on January 22, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Ok, the ruse is over. I am NemoParticularis.

Shocked?! I know you were thinking I was some hotshot somewhere, but it’s just me, p0s3r.

p0s3r on January 22, 2008 at 12:30 AM

Medved is a joke.
The big loser was America.

Dorvillian on January 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM

For many years I thought Medved was supposed to be a Democrat commentator.

FloatingRock on January 22, 2008 at 12:35 AM

He might even be the compromise nominee.
whiskey_199 on January 22, 2008 at 12:01 AM

That seems so outrageous to me, I can’t believe you even said it.

Fred isn’t in the position to compromise for anything. The guy is a total failure as a candidate and NO ONE WILL EVER support him beyond those that continue to do so now.

Give it up. The guy is toast.

csdeven on January 22, 2008 at 12:39 AM

Obama is a class warfare socialist, why would conservatives vote for that?

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:57 PM

So’s Huckabee (almost, anyway–a class warfare fiscal liberal), and an uncomfortably large number of Republicans support him fervently. I can see lots of fiscally liberal Republicans crossing party lines for Obama.

aero on January 22, 2008 at 12:40 AM

I’ll fight a McCain nomination tooth and nail till the moment he gets an official nod, should that nightmare come to pass, but this is how I answer Bainbridge:

Just be advised that should the GOP actually reinvent itself after a decisive loss, you may like the new invention even less than the machine you’ve forced it to replace. And you won’t be in any position to do a thing about it. You certainly don’t think anybody’s going to be soliciting your advice on retrenchment, do you? As opposed to, say, wishing you luck out there in the wilderness of your own creation.

Seems to me the folks spouting this sort of nonsense lack a certain obvious historical perspective. The religious right was quick to claim Bush I lost his bid for re-election because he just didn’t energize ‘em back in 1992, and that’s precisely how we got the Clinton’s the first time around. If you’re prepared to repeat that experience all over again, don’t look for anybody to come a courtin’ when they’ve been twice burned. Maybe Bill can manage to screw up Hillary’s 2nd term as badly as he screwed up his own, but I wouldn’t count on it. By then the country you fancifully think you’ll be taking back may not look much like the one you’re letting go.

JM Hanes on January 22, 2008 at 12:41 AM

So do we pick our poison, or just refuse to take either (by sitting out)?

Weebork on January 22, 2008 at 12:26 AM

It depends on why you vote. If you vote to make a difference then you vote the lesser of two evils. If you vote only when your agenda is followed in lockstep by the candidate, then you sit out.

Sitting out helps the dems and the GOP wont learn a thing. They didn’t after Perot and we begged for Bush in 2000 because he was the lesser of the evils. Manbearpig or Bush. And again in 04. Kerry or Bush. It has taken 8 years of Bush to get our intel and military communities back to a semblance of effectiveness.

Now some of you are ready to turn it over to Hillary for another 8 years. She will do more damage than the Clenis did and we will be begging for ANY conservative to save us from more dem rule. And we wont be able to fix all the damage she will do for 20 years.

So, again I say to thee….

Spite, meet your nose.

csdeven on January 22, 2008 at 12:52 AM

Just be advised that should the GOP actually reinvent itself after a decisive loss, you may like the new invention even less than the machine you’ve forced it to replace.

So basically, if I vote republican, I take the chance of trading XP for Vista? Scary, indeed.

LickyLicky on January 22, 2008 at 12:57 AM

LickyLicky on January 22, 2008 at 12:57 AM

Please be careful, my laptop monitor is no longer under warranty. ;c)

Stashiu3 on January 22, 2008 at 1:00 AM

cdseven,

Interesting.

Manbearpig —funny!

Weebork on January 22, 2008 at 1:02 AM

But recently Rush’s ego and a certain unjustified personal animus have gotten way out of hand and have skewed his commentary in ways that do not reflect well considered thought.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Actually, Rush sounds a little depressed, I think.

I can’t exactly say that I blame him, either.

Dave R. on January 22, 2008 at 1:15 AM

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:43 PM

With Respect… to you and your sons…

McCains only military credentials are being stoic as a Prisoner…

And loosing FIVE AMERICAN AIRCRAFT!

Take out his stoicism… and you have a falure as a military member.

I would willingly put him in charge of Civilian Prisons… but don’t want him a Commander in Chief… I want a winner…

I want someone who is willing to do to our enemys, what we do to our OWN PEOPLE in training (waterboarding)…

But more importantly, I want someone who will defend our borders, and not sell them south…

Or sell the normal mans freedom of speech, and give it to rich politicians (why can a candidate spend millions of their own money… or Hillary spend Bill’s money (which is coming from Saudi Arabia, when I can’t spend MY money?).

sorry… too flawed IMO…

As an Independent Conservative… Fred? yes, Mitt I’ll hold my nose… McCain and Rudi? No… and with Huck I will actively support the opposition.

Romeo13 on January 22, 2008 at 1:27 AM

John McCain is a hero. He bravely served our country in a time of war. For that, we owe him our gratitude. What we do not owe, for that, is our obligation. There’s a big difference that I think people fail to see. If your best friend gets you out of the biggest pinch in your life- I mean really saves your butt- do you thank him every, every, every day for the rest of his life? More to the point, does he expect you to?

LickyLicky on January 22, 2008 at 1:35 AM

When you have flesh and blood on the front lines, it matters who is and will be the Commander in Chief; and John McCain is by far heads above all other candidates in terms of who is qualified to be the next Commander in Chief.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:43 PM

The most interesting exchange came at the very end, and it was about Iraq. The money quote—the bit that could come back to haunt McCain—went like this:

Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years.

McCain: Make it a hundred.

Just how in the hell many Iraqi tours do you want your sons to do anyway?

MB4 on January 22, 2008 at 1:53 AM

To NemoParticularis re 11:07 PM: I am a lawyer who graduated from Harvard Law School and who practices law in Manhattan. I don’t do what you refer to; I don’t even drink during the weekdays; I am cold sober and serious with what I write here. Your glibness does not hide the fact that you do not respond to my substantive points why consrvatices should vote for McCain.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Well I never even went to school and I am a thief by vocation, but an honest thief not a dishonest one like a lawyer, and I am drunk half the time and even I know that McCain is a back stabbing son of a thousand Bastardos!

Why can’t you figure it out?

Tuco on January 22, 2008 at 2:07 AM

Now some of you are ready to turn it over to Hillary for another 8 years. She will do more damage than the Clenis did and we will be begging for ANY conservative to save us from more dem rule. And we wont be able to fix all the damage she will do for 20 years.

So, again I say to thee….

Spite, meet your nose.

csdeven on January 22, 2008 at 12:52 AM

Don’t let the ramblings akin of an irrelevant old man force your hand. Too many elections we have been forced to “do the right thing” while the core of our party was deteriorating for the sake of a win.

Don’t blame the Dems for the outcome we didn’t get. Blame ourselves for being cowards. Blame ourselves for not having the courage to really vote our voice.

If you choose to stay out when the primaries are over, that is a noble choice. If you choose to keep lockstep with those who would rather compromise and pander, so be it. Either way, you are free to choose in whichever way you desire.

In no way is sitting out a spiteful motive. In no way writing in a non-published candidate a spiteful motive.
Someone does not lightly decide to sit out. It is a very difficult decision. The decision is not set in stone for others as well. There is still much time between now and the general election. Heck, we still have super Tuesday to look forward to. There is still plenty of opportunity for this issue to be discussed.

CSDeven likes to use bulling phrases and words when he see that you don’t agree with his message.
All the name calling, hyperbole and “BWWaahhaaahhahas” are tiresome and simply stale.
He can’t help himself. So much so you can already predict a reply to this comment.

On an optimistic side, there is talk and buzz about the frustration of the core conservatives in blogs and the media. Before I came to this site, I thought I was the only one. To see that the frustration with the GOP is similar (and not just based on issue to issue but on a idea of the GOP) along with knowing others are also willing to step up is encouraging. It’s like Rush commented, it’s not about how you would vote on an issue but by what value and mindset led you to make your decision. What was the core that guided you to lead us? Where are your roots?

Again, there is plenty of time to make that final decision. Plenty of time to be heard. And in the end, whatever choice you make, let it be of your own volition.

geckomon on January 22, 2008 at 2:16 AM

even I know that McCain is a back stabbing son of a thousand Bastardos!
Why can’t you figure it out?

Tuco on January 22, 2008 at 2:07 AM

There are two kinds of Presidential candidates in this world, my friend: those that win in November and those that are backstabbing sons of a thousand Bastardos.

FloatingRock on January 22, 2008 at 2:23 AM

There are two kinds of Presidential candidates in this world, my friend: those that win in November and those that are backstabbing sons of a thousand Bastardos.

FloatingRock on January 22, 2008 at 2:23 AM

Heh!

geckomon on January 22, 2008 at 2:29 AM

Good article.

The Coming Conservative Platform Fight

Connie on January 22, 2008 at 2:51 AM

If it’s between McVain and Shillary… I’m tempted to pick Hillary. :P I really can’t stand McCain; what he would do to destroy the name and substance of conservatism is far more damaging in the long run than having to endure four malaise-filled years with another Clinton.

Jockolantern on January 22, 2008 at 3:19 AM

Connie on January 22, 2008 at 2:51 AM

Thanks. Awesome. I almost suspect this will be posted in the am. Well, after 6am at least!

geckomon on January 22, 2008 at 3:24 AM

Well, supposedly Huck is out of cash. This bodes well no matter what.

I will be caucusing tonight in New Orleans for FRED. He’s in, I’m in.

LickyLicky on January 22, 2008 at 3:30 AM

Well said Romeo. I’ve never mentioned the five lost aircraft or my opinion of his leadership skills, I’m glad you have laid those on the table.

Zorro on January 22, 2008 at 6:55 AM

McCain is loyal to….McCain; and his ridiculous positions on taxes, McCain-Feingold limitations on free speech, pure amnesty crapola, his love of Ted Kennedy, etc. He has been good on Iraq, but not so much on the war with the Islamists because his position is that if on 9/10/2001 we had Khalid Sheik Muhammend in custody we could not do what is necessary to get the information to stop 9/11.

Romney is a shameless flip flopper and he is another big business guy that will suck up to the Saudi’s et al., if he was elected which he would not be he is a loser as a national candidate. Romney is basically a Zelig and if by some small chance he did win would get all the bad attributes of Pres Bush without getting any of the good ones

Huckabee….will push even some of the Hillary haters to vote for Hillary..just a few points on the margin but that will be enough.

Rudy..well much of the conservative base has staked out ground saying they will not vote for candidate that does not march in exact step with the establishment pro-life movement.

But Rudy is a problem solver and he has proposed the kind of tax cut that is needed, he will not suck up to the Saudi’s and their terroist buddies like Pres Bush has, he will appoint strict constructionist judge, he will stop the illegal immigration into this country and maybe best of all, anyone that watched him as mayor or US Attorney knows that he will not do the cowering compromises the the left wing Democrats that McCain and Romney have made a career of.

Rudy is not perfect but he is best chance we have for conservative policies here and a strong national defense

georgealbert on January 22, 2008 at 7:31 AM

Phil Byler: content (your kilographic monologue) does not equate to substance. Philosophy matters. We operate under a philosophy, not under a thinly veiled popularity contest. Your candidate in his 20+ year career has failed to operate in a philosophically adequate manner.

As for Rush’s point, this admitted dittohead agrees. As much as I hate seeing our political system jolted into a four-year bog if a left-of-center or liberal is elected, philosophy matters. Having a 2008 republican in the White House next year does render the horizon clear because the party as it stands has revealed its milquetoast moderacy.

Philosophy matters, phil. Ironically, your name doesn’t resonate that fact. :-) (that’s a joke, by the way…)

rightg33k on January 22, 2008 at 7:51 AM

Here’s the horse’s asses’ blog. You can email him if you want to be his friend! – Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:57 PM

I’m flattered. Seriously. I guess i really got under your skin. By the way, Danish, what’s your filling? Is it cheese, prune or bull-flop?

Sorry guys, I couldn’t resist a snark at Mr. Pastry’s expense.

NemoParticularis on January 22, 2008 at 7:51 AM

Ok, the ruse is over. I am NemoParticularis.

Shocked?! I know you were thinking I was some hotshot somewhere, but it’s just me, p0s3r.

p0s3r on January 22, 2008 at 12:30 AM

Hilarious.

Didn’t that pompous blowhard John Kerry pull the “Do you know who I am” stunt?

I wasn’t far off when I said he was in a cave – he’s twenty thousand leagues under the sea in a submarine.

Buy Danish on January 22, 2008 at 8:09 AM

What Rush said…just lovely. I kept myself away from conservative talk and blogs after the 2006 election debacle thinking some of them saying “I may not vote” ruined everything. After 3 months away, I came back, but I must say the names that I used to respect, I don’t anymore. I used to come to them for just the facts to arm myself for real life argument, but what they are doing to those they disagree with is not using the facts…it is personal, ugly, immature and just like what the left does, sorry to say. I’m really disappointed in what some conservatives have come stooped to. I will vote for any Republican against a Hillary or Obama and I will urge everyone in my circle to do the same. I don’t think having 4 years of Hillary will change any minds for 2012…this time we may not be able to crawl out of that hole…there might not be a Newt to bring in a Republican congress then a Senate to balance her Nanny state. No true Conservative stepped up to the plate this time, but I’m not walking away from my team…I’m a Philly fan and I stay loyal no matter how bad the team may be performing.

deedledee on January 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM

Face it, the Conservative movement in this country is in serious need of an infusion of new young blood. As of right now, the current crop of Republicans we have running around the landscape are either made up of moderate left-leaning fence sitters who don’t want to upset the apple cart, overly ambitious double-talking multimillionaire politicos who cater to both sides of the aisle and whose only desire seems to be to see their names and pictures in the news, or Renaissance Dinosaurs who have been on the scene since the Eisenhower years and who can only look back at “the good old days of the Grand Old Party” and who have a hard time looking ahead to the future. Contrary to what some may blather, McCain The Pain and Huck The Schmuck included, the Reagan Revolution is not dead. It is just hibernating right now, waiting for the right spark to come by and relight its flame. It is just a matter of who that spark will be and when they will be coming around. Hopefully they will show up within what is left of my own lifetime.

pilamaye on January 22, 2008 at 8:24 AM

Rumors from unnamed sources again brew Allahpundit’s assassin tea.

maverick muse on January 22, 2008 at 8:50 AM

Allah- Has it occured to you that maybe Fred’s mom is sicker than anyone knows. Maybe THAT’S why he is staying with her and NOT going to the debate???

By God, sometimes you ‘process’ folks just make me sick. Let it rest until Fred SAYS it’s over.

Ex-tex on January 22, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Sorry guys, I couldn’t resist a snark at Mr. Pastry’s expense.

NemoParticularis on January 22, 2008 at 7:51 AM

Funny you should say that- I always took danish as a woman.

Ex-tex on January 22, 2008 at 8:54 AM

Funny you should say that- I always took danish as a woman.

Ex-tex on January 22, 2008 at 8:54 AM

She is. It’s Helen Thomas undercover.

MadisonConservative on January 22, 2008 at 9:02 AM

deedledee on January 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM

However good your overall intentions are, you’re still missing the point. Simply put, the fans are on the field and the team hasn’t even gotten to the stadium.
If we, as conservatives , continue to compromise our core beliefs the GOP and the nation will be regulated to the dustbin of history….over taxation….out of control spending…
the slow and methodical erosion of our rights … the dumbing down and drugging of our children..
All of these are happening under BOTH parties, as of late anyway and we say NO MORE!

jerrytbg on January 22, 2008 at 9:13 AM

From THE FIRST DAY FoxNews broke the story last March of his candidacy, Thompson has always had a vice presidential bid in mind.

Fine. I can live with a Rom/Thom ticket. Or a Rudy/Fred ticket…

Spanglemaker on January 22, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Didn’t that pompous blowhard John Kerry pull the “Do you know who I am” stunt?

He did. But I’m not John Kerry.

I wasn’t far off when I said he was in a cave – he’s twenty thousand leagues under the sea in a submarine.

The Nautilus is one sweet unterseeboot. Our well-equipped galley whips up a fresh batch of cheese danish every morning. The crew scarfs ‘em down along with piping hot cup o’ joe.

NemoParticularis on January 22, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Don’t let the ramblings akin of an irrelevant old man force your hand. Too many elections we have been forced to “do the right thing” while the core of our party was deteriorating for the sake of a win.

Don’t blame the Dems for the outcome we didn’t get. Blame ourselves for being cowards. Blame ourselves for not having the courage to really vote our voice.

If you choose to stay out when the primaries are over, that is a noble choice. If you choose to keep lockstep with those who would rather compromise and pander, so be it. Either way, you are free to choose in whichever way you desire.

In no way is sitting out a spiteful motive. In no way writing in a non-published candidate a spiteful motive.
Someone does not lightly decide to sit out. It is a very difficult decision. The decision is not set in stone for others as well. There is still much time between now and the general election. Heck, we still have super Tuesday to look forward to. There is still plenty of opportunity for this issue to be discussed.

CSDeven likes to use bulling phrases and words when he see that you don’t agree with his message.
All the name calling, hyperbole and “BWWaahhaaahhahas” are tiresome and simply stale.
He can’t help himself. So much so you can already predict a reply to this comment.

On an optimistic side, there is talk and buzz about the frustration of the core conservatives in blogs and the media. Before I came to this site, I thought I was the only one. To see that the frustration with the GOP is similar (and not just based on issue to issue but on a idea of the GOP) along with knowing others are also willing to step up is encouraging. It’s like Rush commented, it’s not about how you would vote on an issue but by what value and mindset led you to make your decision. What was the core that guided you to lead us? Where are your roots?

Again, there is plenty of time to make that final decision. Plenty of time to be heard. And in the end, whatever choice you make, let it be of your own volition.

geckomon on January 22, 2008 at 2:16 AM

THIS.

fossten on January 22, 2008 at 9:37 AM

After Benedict Arnold’s treason, one officer reminded those who wanted to hang him of his bravery and service, especially at the Battle of Saratoga where he was severely wounded in the leg. Another officer said, “Then we shall cut off his leg and bury it with full military honors…the rest of him we’ll hang.” McCain is certanly no Arnold, but I cannot put so much stock in his war record and then ignore everything else he’s said or done that either subverted or damaged the conservative agenda. If McCain is the nominee, I will for the first time in nine elections, sit this one out.

sdd on January 22, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Next January the Lizard Queen will reign. Then – and only then – will those who have been asleep finally awaken.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

and then Aragorn will return, wedding Arwen, begetting Eldarion, who ruled wisely.

windansea on January 22, 2008 at 10:13 AM

fossten on January 22, 2008 at 9:37 AM

“Respect!”

geckomon on January 22, 2008 at 10:17 AM

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