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Rush Limbaugh: “I can see possibly not supporting a Republican nominee”

posted at 8:13 pm on January 21, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It’s come to this. An idle threat, surely — he won’t kneecap McCain if it means President Hillary — but it’s as close to a Romney endorsement from him as you’re going to get.

Meanwhile, Carl Cameron reported at around 7:15 that Fred’s aides say he won’t be at the Florida debate on Thursday, just in case you’re wondering which way tomorrow’s big announcement is heading.

Exit question: Is Bainbridge right?

Update: More Cameron. I just don’t believe it:

Fred Thompson sources say the actor and former Tenn senator may withdraw from the race. There are no plans to attend Thursday’s Florida debate…

From THE FIRST DAY FoxNews broke the story last March of his candidacy, Thompson has always had a vice presidential bid in mind.


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Why on earth would I vote AGAINST Hillary by voting FOR McCain?

He has abandoned Republican and conservative principles time and time again while flipping off the base of the party. He is no conservative. And he is only technically a Republican, because he filed as such.

If a liberal is going to do damage to this nation, I would prefer that the Dims get the credit so that a real conservative Republican can step forth when everyone comes to their senses.

I will vote for McCain slightly past never.

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Rush is not being coy. He is not being cute. He is not dissembling. He is honestly and seriously dismayed by the prospect of a McCain candidacy as should be any sentient human being. There is greater than a 60% chance that Rush WILL sit out the election. He will not sell the conservative cause down the pike for a seat at the McCain table. McCain would almost certainly be insubstantively different than any of the Dhimmicrats. I don’t trust him on the economy. I don’t trust him on abortion. I don’t trust him on the court. I don’t trust him on terrorism. I don’t trust him on free speech and I sure as hell don’t trust him on immigration.

And to tell you the truth, I’m not sure I agree with our current strategy in Iraq which smacks of Utopian nation building destined to fail in an Islamic society. John McCain is not serious about defending our country when he publicly disavows the use of torture. He seems imbalanced and more than a bubble off to me. Nope, if he’s nominated I for one will sit this one out with Tom Delay.

Charles Martel on January 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Thompson/Limbaugh ’08!

What I meant was:

Vote for the American Conservative Party! Thompson/Limbaugh ’08!

FloatingRock on January 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 9:58 PM

What the white whale was to Ahab, has been hinted; what, at times, he was to me, as yet remains unsaid.

jaime on January 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM

but don’t try to lay a guilt trip on me…it doesn’t work…I’m a hard hearted CONSERVATIVE.

I don’t happen to think McCain will be the nominee, but I don’t have a crystal ball.

That said, the Republicans stuck to their conservative principles in 1932 and FDR laid the foundation for government activism that will not go away in our lifetimes. The economy is in a mess and will get worse. If the Dems come in with a mandate, health care will be just one part their push to have government run our lives.

Feel free to abandon the GOP, but enjoy the higher taxes, Supreme Court appointees, and rationed health care.

dedalus on January 21, 2008 at 10:07 PM

I’m stunned by this, anyone remember how Rush was hammering people for threatening to stay home in 2006? I thought I’d never hear this, I didn’t listen to Rush for long today, but I caught this and was genuinely stunned.

Exactly. I also heard Levin blame the midterm elections on the conservatives who didn’t vote, rather than the Republican party. I wonder if Hannity and the rest will follow Rush’s lead as usual.

And if he does support Romney, I guess flip-flopping is okay if you’re a Republican.

V15J on January 21, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Rush made it clear why he doesn’t hammer Rudy and Mitt. They aren’t trying to pass themselves off as something they are not. They have admitted their past differences and have come to the party. McCain and Huck however, have not, and insist that they are conservatives, attempting to redefine what conservatism is based on where they are. They have not moved, instead they expect the whole party to move to them.

Now they may all be RINO’s but there are big differences.

One way, you have RINO’s who know who brought them to this party, and know to dance with them that brought them.

The other way they tell you to shut up, sit down and say you love it like you mean it.

So pony up people. Do you want your playlist and your band and maybe a few gate crashers? Or do you want to be stuck and McCain’s party with Huck on Bass?

tlclark on January 21, 2008 at 10:10 PM

wccawa on January 21, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Take heart, my friend, and be of good cheer. Stoke the flame of your passion but neglect not your sense of humor – it will abide you through the most abysmal of times and is the one thing that dour liberals cannot abide.

I suspect I need not say this, but I will anyway: teach your child to do good and avoid evil. Teach him (her?) to recognize absurdity and laugh at it, for the recognition of absurdity is the root of the human sense of humor. And it is our sense of humor that has sustained us as a species since we first appeared on this planet, else we would have wiped ourselves out eons ago.

Thus, I can utter the opening line of a joke that has no punch line and yet you will laugh when you read it: “A midget gynegologist walks into a lesbian strip club…”

See what I mean?

Keep the faith.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:11 PM

I hope you principled conservatives can find it in your hearts to at least vote AGAINST Hillary.

I won’t vote for someone who isn’t conservative just to vote against a non-conservative. Maybe the party will keep going to the left anyway… but it will do so without me. Fred has my vote unless he drops out. As much as I’d like to see him as POTUS, I would respect his choice and not write in a man who doesn’t want the job.

Of the others, from what I’ve seen so far I’d have to vote third-party (assuming a conservative was running) or not vote for POTUS. I will go to the polls, sign in, and leave without voting rather than vote for someone who isn’t conservative. Maybe the GOP will get the hint if enough conservatives make a stand.

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Keep the faith.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Agreed.

And sometimes keeping the faith means standing up or sitting out when something is just not right.

A McCain nomination is that something that is not right.

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Ultimately, I can’t support Rudy because he would cause a massive rift between social cons and the rest, just as Huck would do by alienating small gov’t, fiscal cons and some hawks. If I can’t support Huck, I can’t support Rudy, because in essence, they’re the same thing, causing the same rift.

doubleplusundead on January 21, 2008 at 9:40 PM

I just hope you realize that by requiring a “full spectrum conservative”, the party will create a rift in just the opposite direction. Sorry to say, people of such ideology are a distinct minority of the electorate, and any party requires a heaping serving of moderates to win 40% of the vote, let alone 50%. Moderate Republicans will not take kindly to being browbeaten into accepting someone like Fred Thompson every time. Unlike the Fredheads, they’re unlikely to throw such a fit; rather, they’ll just stay home or vote Dem.

Big S on January 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Well, he said the possibility exists that he might not come out and actively support the nominee, that doesn’t mean he would support the opposing candidate either.

I think what he is trying to say is that if it were something like Huck, then Rush wouldn’t actively back him. I can see that. I wouldn’t either.

crosspatch on January 21, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Nessuno, the new Hot Air posters think the old Hot Air posters are old farts. How bout dem apples? lol

froghat on January 21, 2008 at 9:07 PM

Speak for yourself. I may not have much to say, and I may not know everything that everyone else does, but I enjoy informative and intelligent commentary. I’ve found, repeatedly, in your posts that you do not offer either, consistently.

LickyLicky on January 21, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Agreed. And sometimes keeping the faith means standing up or sitting out when something is just not right. A McCain nomination is that something that is not right. -SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Then stand by your principles, Kimber, but be mindful that when the consequences – whether intended or unintended – redound against you, it is your duty to stand firm and accept what comes.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:18 PM

…Thus, I can utter the opening line of a joke that has no punch line and yet you will laugh when you read it: “A midget gynegologist walks into a lesbian strip club…”

See what I mean?

Keep the faith.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Well, had I know this was going to be a Ron Paul party, I would have worn something different…

Seriously. Thanks for the healing words. Keep up the fight. When I regain my strength, so shall I.

wccawa on January 21, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Big S on January 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Fred’s federalist approach would have given you RINOs more localized control, so I fail to see the problem here.

doubleplusundead on January 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Feel free to abandon the GOP, but enjoy the higher taxes, Supreme Court appointees, and rationed health care.

And that would be different by voting for a RINO in exactly what fashion? ‘kay, thx4playinbyenow

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM

May be best if he is with his Mom and family now..

He’ll only be 70 in 2012. ;-) Keep in mind, how old McCain is now.

normsrevenge on January 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Moderate Republicans will not take kindly to being browbeaten into accepting someone like Fred Thompson every time. Unlike the Fredheads, they’re unlikely to throw such a fit; rather, they’ll just stay home or vote Dem.

Big S on January 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM

I thought the objections to Fred were that he wasn’t vibrant and youthful, and that he ran a passionless campaign. What were the policy objections to Fred among those you call moderate Republicans?

JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 10:20 PM

I can certainly get behind Guilani/Thompson, I can even get behind Romney/Thompson. I can’t get behind McCain, I’m sorry, I just can’t.

I’ll take Hillary over McCain, because at least with Hillary I know somewhat what to expect. With McCain . . . who knows what when and for how much.

I’d vote for Obama over the Huckster.

Jason Coleman on January 21, 2008 at 10:20 PM

I guess Mitt didnt get his wish the conservatives are not lining up behind him

William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Big Orange on January 21, 2008 at 9:45 PM

roflmao!

jerrytbg on January 21, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Bye bye Fred, sorry you didn’t have what it takes…so we are left with a religious zealot, a rino, and a man person who doesn’t know what he is…great, Mitt-wits will be happy to lose an election with their man person, extreme evangelists will be happy to lose their election with their man, and liberals will be happy to have another choice.

right2bright on January 21, 2008 at 10:24 PM

I just hope you realize that by requiring a “full spectrum conservative”, the party will create a rift in just the opposite direction. Sorry to say, people of such ideology are a distinct minority of the electorate… – Big S on January 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM


Quod erat demonstrandum.
The republic is, indeed, doomed and therefore in need of revolt. If memory serves, Thomas Jefferson once wrote: “A little revolution now and then is a good thing; the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

And what better tyrant than the Lizard Queen?

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Amen Rush. I can’t and won’t support Huckabee or McCain.

CABE on January 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM

Ditto!

Speakup on January 21, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Exactly! Go Mitt!

davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 10:24 PM

How could Rush possibly believably support McCain or Huckabee now? He’s spent years and years bashing McCain, and has strongly stated that Huck is NOT acceptable to him for weeks now. He’d look like a colossal fool to suddenly turn on a dime and carry water for either of these two should they become the nominee.

I don’t think Rush will try to start a third party or anything, though. He’ll just talk about the congressional elections or tear up the Dem without building up the Rep candidate. And if an unacceptable Rep wins the presidency, he’ll criticize him honestly from the point of view of conservatism and rally his audience to be on the lookout for the next great conservative candidate to run the next time around.

aero on January 21, 2008 at 10:25 PM

You people who want to stay away from the polls scare the heck out of me. Why would you willfully stand by and allow a hardcore liberal to be President?

You only get one vote, how hard can it be?

frode on January 21, 2008 at 10:25 PM

You people who want to stay away from the polls scare the heck out of me. Why would you willfully stand by and allow a hardcore liberal to be President?

You only get one vote, how hard can it be?

frode on January 21, 2008 at 10:25 PM

John McCain
Hillary Clinton

Tomato
Tomoto

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 10:27 PM

And that would be different by voting for a RINO in exactly what fashion? ‘kay, thx4playinbyenow

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM

For one, the Bush tax cuts that are set to expire during the next administration.

dedalus on January 21, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Breaking News: Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict. WHo cares what he thinks!!! lololol

froghat on January 21, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Who cares what he thinks? I’d say about 30 million more than those who care what you think.

theregoestheneighborhood on January 21, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Heard Tom Delay say he would not vote for McCain either. I do not think the is a joke. I most likely will abstain myself. Not worth holding my nose any longer – its starting to hurt. The way I see it, the GOP will continue to support less than ideal candidates as long as they know they can produce a Dem bogyman we will vote against. That will become our crack addiction – fear of the Dem.

And the fact of the matter is, who ever is voted in will have a really rough time governing since the base will essentially not support them after they are in office. So, what you will end up getting is more of the same until the parties start to blur together. More big programs we cannot afford and no solutions to the massive problems we have – go figure. But hey, at least we will have a republican in the White House. Yay.

roxer on January 21, 2008 at 10:28 PM

I’m struck by how so many of you talk about your loyalty to the Republican Party, how it has let you down, and you’re nevah going to let it happen again, and so forth.

My loyalty is to this Country, and to conservative principles. That does not mean that I would vote for a Dem, because I wouldn’t, but it never occurs to me to invest so much power in the Party.

When I think of Party loyalty I think of the Dems who make political calculations motivated by a desire for power, or of people whose loyalty to the Communist party was all-consuming.

Anyhoo, Rush is incorrect when he says this:

RUSH: I haven’t. And, in fact, I recoiled when I heard his $20 billion annual subsidy to the auto industry in Detroit and I said, “Jeez, that’s just flat-out pandering.”

Romney never said that he wanted to give Detroit a 20 billion dollar a year subsidy.

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:24 PM

HERE..HERE!!!

jerrytbg on January 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I just hope you realize that by requiring a “full spectrum conservative”, the party will create a rift in just the opposite direction. Sorry to say, people of such ideology are a distinct minority of the electorate, and any party requires a heaping serving of moderates to win 40% of the vote, let alone 50%. Moderate Republicans will not take kindly to being browbeaten into accepting someone like Fred Thompson every time. Unlike the Fredheads, they’re unlikely to throw such a fit; rather, they’ll just stay home or vote Dem.

Big S on January 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Minorty in the party….wrong. And this argument is baseless in its entirety. Conservatism across the board won in landslides in 1980 1984 and 1994. It has proven when we DEVIATE from this principle that we LOSE in landslides. It was with this message based in a philosphy and leadership that we not only solidified the party with moderates brought Reagan Democrats over as well.

How do you think Reagan won a 49 state landslide?

Have we forgotten the 2006 elections?

broker1 on January 21, 2008 at 10:30 PM

I don’t think Rush will try to start a third party or anything, though.

You are right. He won’t. Rush’s show will work better with a solid conservative in the White House or a hard core liberal. Clear cut lines of division make for more exciting radio than moderates compromising.

dedalus on January 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM

I guess Mitt didnt get his wish the conservatives are not lining up behind him

You really are about as clueless as they come. Have you not seen the polls on here lately or looked at the exit poll data from the primary elections. The vast majority or Fredheads WOULD vote for Mitt. Mitt gets the conservative vote in every state he competes in. Rush has said Mitt would be an acceptable candidate. All of the mainstream conservatives support him over McAmnesty and Huckabee. There are some seriously delusional people on here that need to either move on from their denial or wake up for the first time. We have had plently of elections where the choices were just as bad as they are now. Being a whiney bitch doesn’t do anyone any good and there are certainly a LOT of them on here right now.

davenp35 on January 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM

RUSH: I haven’t. And, in fact, I recoiled when I heard his $20 billion annual subsidy to the auto industry in Detroit and I said, “Jeez, that’s just flat-out pandering.”

Romney never said that he wanted to give Detroit a 20 billion dollar a year subsidy.

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I believe he was talking about McCain.

broker1 on January 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM

For With either one, the Bush tax cuts that are set going to expire during the next administration.

dedalus on January 21, 2008 at 10:27 PM

FIFY

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM

You people who want to stay away from the polls scare the heck out of me.
frode on January 21, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Good!

Weight of Glory on January 21, 2008 at 10:32 PM

To Onager re 9:07 PM post: no, Rush is off base in his attacks on John McCain. Rush has analyzed well issues in the past, but he has a personal animus toward John McCain that is resulting in intellectual dishonesty and destructiveness on Rush’s part.

That Rush or you or anyone would call John McCain a phony only reflects the lack of judgment. John McCain is more genuine tham most anyone else in American politics. John McCain is a genuine war hero. During the Vietnam War, he was a combat Naval avaitor; that meant he flew jets on and off carriers to carry out bombing missions over North Vietnam, which had one of the toughest air defense systems in military history. On the day that McCain was shot down, he had bombed a power plant in Hanoi; and thereafter, he endured six years as a P.O.W. during which time he endured real torture at the hands of sadistic North Vietnamenese guards. What defines phony, in contrast, is Rush in one of his newsletters having himself drawn with an infantryman’s helmet on when Rush never served in the military.

If Rush defines conservatism for you, then you do worship him. You are parroting his comments that are off base. Consider the following:

- John McCain has stated for some time now that he would make permanent the Bush tax cuts while working to cut federal spending suggests that you need actually to hear John McCain on the issues. John McCain originally opposed the Bush tax cuts because they did not include spending cuts and spending then got out of control; to McCain, the more Reaganesque position was to call for both tax cuts and spending cuts. More than any other candidate, McCain is a fiscal hawk serious about cutting spending.

- As for respecting the First Amendment, John Mccain has a good record on that. What you presumably are concerned about is campaign finance reform, which was an attempt at regulating the electoral process so as to reduce the influence of money on politics, which on its face is not a violation of the First Amendment. The problems in the law are not its intent but are definitional ones that are in the hands of the U.S. Supreme Court. I doubt that it is an issue in the future; radical jihadism will be.

- John McCain has been saying for months that he got the message, that law enforcement in immigration matters comes first. Actually, the current problem stems from the fact that the law enforcement provisions in the 1980s law signed by none other than President Reagan were not enforced. Last summer’s bill had law enforcement provisions that if enforced would mean that there would not be amnnesty, but as McCain acknowledges, the American people did not believe that the law enforcement provisions would be enforced and until they are, no other measures are acceptable.

Now, how about what Rush does not talk about? John McCain is a pro-life fiscal conservative who, at this time of struggle with the radical jihadists, is the best candidate to be the next Commander in Chief. That McCain knows his stuff on military matters is reflected in the fact that he has been right for years on the Iraq War, first in criticizing the Rumsfeld light footprint strategy and then in vocally supporting the surge when Democrats were declaring defeat and most Republicans seemed to be looking for a way out (e.g., Senator Lugar) or looking at their feet (e.g., Romney). That McCain knows his stuff in foreign affairs is reflected in the fact that McCain is endorsed by former Secretaries of State George Schultz, Alexander Haig, Henry Kissinger and Lawrence Eagleburger and former Navy Secretaries John Lehman and William Ball. That McCain is far more conservative than what you lead people to believe is reflected in the endorsements of Senators and former Senators including Coburn, Gramm, Coats, Brownback, Burr, Thune, Domenici, Kyl, Lott and Warner; that’s pretty conservative group but what you would expect for a man (McCain) who has an 83% approval rating in his voting record from the American Conservative Union.

Also consider this: John McCain’s sons are in the military serving the country consistent with his family’s tradition of military service, and John McCain frequently calls for service to the nation. That is appealing to me. My older son is a U.S. Army First Lieutenant with Ranger tab who until last October served 15 months in Iraq as a platoon leader and who earned a Bronze Star and an Army Commendation Medal for actions under fire; and my younger son will be commissioned a U.S. Marines Second Lieutenant in May having already passed officer training at Quantico. In contrast to McCain’s sons and my sons, Romney’s sons work in Romney’s campaign, and Romney says that they are serving America by doing so. I am sorry, but that is phony to me, consistent with Romney having been a pro-choice and pro-gay rights candidate for Governor for Massachusetts when it was convenient. That Rush would go for Romney and be so personally opposed to McCain indicates that Rush’s judgment is way off.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

With the jihad problem growing daily. With European nations allies that have significant muslim populations that are affecting governments, and their political directions, we are in the midst of the 3rd world war, and with precious few allies. Yet, some citizens of our great nation not liking the choices they have for their leaders for the next 4-8 years are seriously considering staying home to teach their party a lesson. Not only irresponsible is this, it is negilgent and dangerous.
Voting and participation in your government is a responsibilty, when you choose not to participate you collectively do us all harm.

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

You people who want to stay away from the polls scare the heck out of me. Why would you willfully stand by and allow a hardcore liberal to be President?

You only get one vote, how hard can it be?

frode on January 21, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Have you ever heard of principle? Sometimes one must make a stand knowing they are likely to suffer a little. I’ll be able to sleep at night and that is what matters to me. I don’t care how you sleep at night.

jwp1964 on January 21, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Voting and participation in your government is a responsibilty, when you choose not to participate you collectively do us all harm.

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

I never said I wasn’t going to vote. I passionately believe in voting. There are people in other countries that lay down their lives in order that they might acquire the privilege.

But I don’t have to vote for someone just because they are on the ballot.

If McCain is the nominee, I am writing in the conservative of my choice.

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 10:36 PM

I’ll vote for McCain if he’s the nominee. I won’t like it at all, but I’ll do it because I consider a non-vote to be tacit support for the Dem candidate.

I’m still trying to figure out if I can bring myself to vote for Huckabee if it comes down to it. Probably not, but I’m pretty sure it’s a moot point because I don’t see how he could get the nomination since he can’t attract many outside the evangelical vote. I suppose if Fred and Mitt both drop out before Huck runs out of money, he could sew up enough Not-McCain votes to do it. [shudder] But Romney’s money should far outlast Huck’s, so I’m not terribly worried.

But I no longer think the Republican candidate can win in the general regardless, so I’m not really engaged anymore. One or more large Republican factions has threatened quite believably to stay home, and we just can’t win without the full coalition on board and at the polls. None of the remaining candidates can bring them all to the polls. Period. Finito.

My current apathetic plan is to wait to see which sloppy seconds the other states pass on to us when the Texas primary finally arrives. I’ll vote for whichever one is least bad. Then I’ll dutifully go vote against the Dem in the general. But I fully expect a Dem president when all is said and done. A Republican win would be a mildly pleasant surprise, but I’m under no illusions about the possibility of any form of a conservative agenda being moved forward over the next four years.

I’m already doing research on possible candidates to draft for 2012. Sanford, anyone? How ’bout Pawlenty?

Go, Realism!

aero on January 21, 2008 at 10:37 PM

You people who want to stay away from the polls scare the heck out of me. – frode on January 21, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Then I suggest you continue to cower under mother’s skirt.

These are quickly becoming the times that try mens’ souls. When you are man enough face the heat, join the fray.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

McCain is a war hero. Yes, move on. No reason to denigrate Romneys kids because they didnt.

McCain wanted Amnesty and he says he doesnt now. Thats ok.

Romney is Pro Life now. That makes him a flip flopper.

Is this your standard?

broker1 on January 21, 2008 at 10:38 PM

You people who want to stay away from the polls scare the heck out of me. Why would you willfully stand by and allow a hardcore liberal to be President?

You only get one vote, how hard can it be?

frode on January 21, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Like the way some willfully stand by and let RINOs become nominated?

Not voting is a noble and loyal message. If the GOP wants to keep pandering just to keep the Republican name and not the core, then so be it. Why should I be a part of something that I have no connection to?

geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM

John McCain has been saying for months that he got the message, that law enforcement in immigration matters comes first.

This clearly demonstrates that John does not understand the message the American people delivered him and his associate Senator Kennedy. That message is clear:a path to citizenship for illegals is amnesty, which John claims he has never supported, even though he co-authored two bills in the senate on this very subject. Senator mcAmnesty can dance around the subject all he wants, but he is never going to make this turd smell like a rose to the American people.

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Blah, blah blah. Shill to your heart’s content. Next January the Lizard Queen will reign. Then – and only then – will those who have been asleep finally awaken.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

I believe he was talking about McCain.

broker1 on January 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM

No, he was talking about Romney. Mitt said that he wants to allocate $20 billion in R&D money to go toward the development of fuel technology, energy efficiency, and other scientific endeavors so we can rely less on foreign oil and better compete with China and India, where we are falling behind.

He never said he wanted to bail out Detroit or send them yearly subsidies, or anything of the sort, but people have misconstrued what he said when he was campaigning in Michigan.

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Can you walk through the argument step-wise?

JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

My older son is a U.S. Army First Lieutenant with Ranger tab who until last October served 15 months in Iraq as a platoon leader and who earned a Bronze Star and an Army Commendation Medal for actions under fire; and my younger son will be commissioned a U.S. Marines Second Lieutenant in May having already passed officer training at Quantico.
Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Congrats on raising two fine sons and I thank them for their service. I don’t trust John McCain and don’t believe he represents conservatives. You believe differently so we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

Have you ever heard of principle? Sometimes one must make a stand knowing they are likely to suffer a little. I’ll be able to sleep at night and that is what matters to me. I don’t care how you sleep at night.

In the midst of a global war is not the time to make this stand.

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

How do you think Reagan won a 49 state landslide?

He was an incumbent with a strong economy. Nixon in 1972 also won in a landslide. In 1988 Bush 41 won by a margin of 426-111 electoral votes.

dedalus on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

- John McCain has stated for some time now that he would make permanent the Bush tax cuts while working to cut federal spending suggests that you need actually to hear John McCain on the issues. John McCain originally opposed the Bush tax cuts because they did not include spending cuts and spending then got out of control; to McCain, the more Reaganesque position was to call for both tax cuts and spending cuts. More than any other candidate, McCain is a fiscal hawk serious about cutting spending.

Then why did he use the same class warfare rhetoric that the Democrats were using? Your bullsh*t, I calls it.

doubleplusundead on January 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM

McCain wanted Amnesty and he says he doesnt now. Thats ok.

No true, mcAmnesty still says he supports a path to citizenship for illegals. He just thinks he can buy you off with a little fence building.

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:43 PM

Look, McCain connot get enogh votes to get elected nationally. Get used to the idea of Barracko or THE CLINTONS — AGAIN!

countywolf on January 21, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Yet, some citizens of our great nation not liking the choices they have for their leaders for the next 4-8 years are seriously considering staying home to teach their party a lesson. Not only irresponsible is this, it is negilgent and dangerous.
Voting and participation in your government is a responsibilty, when you choose not to participate you collectively do us all harm.

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

It’s like stabbing me then blaming me for bleeding all over your shoes.
Why is it that your inaction is admirable, but mine isn’t? The party is not being “taught” a lesson. It may be far from that. The party is being told that if you don’t reflect the core, the core deflects. I would have thought that 2006 was a stellar year for that example.

geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Your bullsh*t, I calls it.

doubleplusundead on January 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM

This is why I knew you were Bad Candy the other day, without having to click your link and look at your blog. Distinctive style you got there. ;-)

aero on January 21, 2008 at 10:44 PM

If the country is going to be ruined, some us would at least like the Dumocrats to get the credit. If there is a RINO president, then the Republican party will be blamed by the MSM and the Dumocrats and it will stick because way too many Americans are dumber than dirt about political issues and what is important in this campaign. Everyone, it seems, has their hand out for a handout and want to vote for the politician who promises a “chicken in every pot” or who will throw money at any and all problems to make the problems go away. It’s taxpayer money so it doesn’t cost the politician anything, because they exempt themselves from all the laws that they don’t like. That’s one of the main reasons they become career politicians; so that they don’t have to live under the stupid and unfair laws that they in their “brilliant” and “we know best” thoughts have conjured up and passed in the dead of the night without debate because if they actually looked at the provisions, the American people who still are able to think for themselves would cover them up with faxes, e-mails and phone calls a la the “Shamnesty”.

TruthToBeTold on January 21, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

You are obviously a McCain tool.
You don’t have a successful radio show with millions of listeners who aren’t mind numb robots, unlike you.

Don’t expect your posting here to help your cause of working for the McCain campaign.

You are obviously not interested in having a real honest debate of the issues McCain stands for, that are against true conservative values.

Obviously you have a dog in this fight for McCain.

But don’t be surprised if you are left the lone ranger in here, spewing your dogmatic worship of McCain.
Because frankly you have no voice to the millions as Rush does, so why should we care?

Mcguyver on January 21, 2008 at 10:45 PM

What were the policy objections to Fred among those you call moderate Republicans?

JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 10:20 PM

What he liked to call “federalism” was actually a pretty radical states’ rights agenda when you scratched the surface of it. The 10th Amendment is all well and good, but there are two parts to it; in many cases, he seemed to ignore the second half. Particularly galling was his proposal for a Constitutional amendment to remove a specific issue (marriage) from judicial review. He ended up twisting himself up into a ball in order to respect “states’ rights”. If you think about it, it’s much better to do the amendment on a specific issue (simply banning gay marriage) than trying to allow it to be banned while upsetting our system of checks and balances. Such an amendment is unprecedented, and rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

Big S on January 21, 2008 at 10:46 PM

In the midst of a global war is not the time to make this stand.

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

If not now, when?

If not us, who?

This is exactly the time for conservatives to stand fast, make no mistake about it.

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Have you ever heard of principle? Sometimes one must make a stand knowing they are likely to suffer a little. I’ll be able to sleep at night and that is what matters to me. I don’t care how you sleep at night.

In the midst of a global war is not the time to make this stand.

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

I dislike dems more than anyone, especially the ice queen, but I have a gut feeling Hillary is meaner than any terrorist. Seriously, I think even the Dems will do what they can to protect our country (things change when you’re responsible and you take the oath).

jwp1964 on January 21, 2008 at 10:47 PM

That McCain is far more conservative than what you lead people to believe is reflected in the endorsements of Senators and former Senators including Coburn, Gramm, Coats, Brownback*, Burr*, Thune, Domenici*, Kyl*, Lott* and Warner; that’s pretty conservative group but what you would expect for a man (McCain) who has an 83% approval rating in his voting record from the American Conservative Union.

All squishes on amnesty, and I wouldn’t be suprised if Warner and a few others were too. Once we pass amnesty, the Dems get a pool of 20-30 million people inclined to vote for socialists to draw from, can we say, permanent GOP minority? I knew you could.

aero on January 21, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Heh

doubleplusundead on January 21, 2008 at 10:48 PM

I think they key is to vote for the candidate of the party which is opposite to the majority in Congress. God save us from a government run by one party or, even, worse, from bipartisanship.

Even if McCain wins, the Dems will ankle bit him just like they do Bush for political points while they stack up their earmarks.

PattyJ on January 21, 2008 at 10:48 PM

The Republican party has been summarily dismissing me for decades. For all the the sweat, time, stress and treasure I have given them over thirty-plus years, I owe them nothing.

But it took the last few days to make me realize I never really did.

You can only give in so many times before you’ve sold yourself to the point of no return. Is this that what I want my daughter to learn? Are these the values I want her to know me by? Is it OK to say; “baby, you need to do this, you need to learn this, you need to live by this, but pay no attention to what daddy does?”

I can’t recall a time that (politically), I’ve drawn such a deep, heavy line in the sand. I just can’t.

wccawa on January 21, 2008 at 10:49 PM

The GOP thinks it can take staunch all-around conservatives for granted because we have nowhere else to go and will keep voting for Republican candidates since they are still closer to us than Dems (socialists) are

The GOP is right.

We can beat our chests all we want, but we’re the GOP’s 8itches and they know it. Conservatives simply have nowhere else to go.

Fight for the heart of the party. That’s all we can do going forward. It’s too late for this presidential election, but fight the good fight for Congress in 2008 and 2010 and maybe our time in the wilderness won’t be as bad.

aero on January 21, 2008 at 10:49 PM

FIFY

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Not really. Obama’s position on the capital gains tax rate couldn’t be more different than Rudy’s.

dedalus on January 21, 2008 at 10:51 PM

A look into my crystal ball:

2008 – A new political wing erupts on the scene, the Obama conservatives.

A huge sea change in American politics has caused the Republican party to rally behind a man who’s ideas they do not agree with, much like the Reagan Democrat revolution of 1980. This movement helped to elect the first black president of the United States.

Go Barry!

Dorvillian on January 21, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Mr Byler,
I understand that you have based your decision on what John McCain has said in the last few months. I’m basing mine on what he had done in the past few years. On your points.

1) Oh he’s said that, has he? I suppose that makes up for his attempts to scuttle making them permanent in Congress.
2) I think you have a different edition of the First Amendment than I. Does yours begin with “Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech…”? I’m afraid you may have the McCain Revised Edition of the Constitution. As for your “on its face” assertion, I’m afraid that the founders, who said flat-out that they wrote the First Amendment primarily to protect political speech, disagree.
3) He said that, too, huh? Again, forgive me for paying more attention to his dismissive and insulting accusations that those folks who opposed his amnesty bill were racists and wanted to hurt innocent poor people. Forgive me also for noting that his newfound agreement was more along the lines of – how did he put it? – “I’ll build their damned fence”. You understand why I don’t believe his conversion to what the people overwhelmingly say they want was not genuine.

Hew can quite easily prove his good faith on these issues. He’s still a Senator. Let him introduce the legislation. Let him put forth the bill to make the tax cuts permanent. Let him push an “enforcement only” bill through Congress for a couple months. Let’s see him defend his newfound views on these issues as fervently as he opposed them before. If he can do those things, then perhaps we’ll talk. Until then, I’ll take my chances with Hillary Clinton. At least I know the Republicans will fight her.

BY the way? That 83 percent was just this past year. You know…after he decided to run for President. Before that, he was the eighth or so from the bottom according to the ACU.

Let him demonstrate his change of heart. Until then, don’t bother me with his bloviations.

Jimmie on January 21, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Rush is not joking…. he like many of us really don’t like McCain. Wow, I never thought that I’d end up supporting Romney.

roux on January 21, 2008 at 10:54 PM

broker1 re 10:38 PM post: I referred to McCain’s war record and his family history of military service to the nation as reflecting courage and character. No, I won’t move on from that because Rush and a poster here call McCain a phony when that is as wrong as wrong can be. My sons and I value McCain’s dedication to country. Perhaps, broker1, to you, it is all about yourself.

Also, last summer, McCain did not say he wanted amnesty but rather pointed to the law’s law enforcement provisions as negating amnesty. McCain says now that given the majority of American people’s reaction to last summer’s bill that they did not believe that the law enforcement provisions would be enforced, just as such provisions in the 1980s law were not enforced, law enforcement comes first. That is not flip flopping like Romney being pro-choice and pro-gay rights and now the opposite. Again, I point it out because apparently Romney’s flip flopping is O.K. with Rush but McCain is attacked.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:54 PM

The GOP thinks it can take staunch all-around conservatives for granted because we have nowhere else to go and will keep voting for Republican candidates since they are still closer to us than Dems (socialists) are

The GOP is right.

We can beat our chests all we want, but we’re the GOP’s 8itches and they know it. Conservatives simply have nowhere else to go.

I can’t speak for anyone else here declaring their choice to not vote for a McCain ticket, but I do have a choice.

And you can rest assured that come November, I will not be anyone’s biatch because I will walk into that polling place and cast my vote for support that I CAN support for POTUS.

Juan may want us to forget his record, but since I have been paying attention to his actions that have stepped on the Republican party he will not have my vote.

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Can you walk through the argument step-wise? – JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

Sure. The nomination of Romney, McCain, Guiliani or Huckabee will fracture the Republican electorate and guarantee the presidency of Hillary Clinton. You don’t seriously believe the Democrat party leadership would allow a black man to become president, do you?

If Huckabee is nominated, the MSM will turn on him immediately as the Christian answer to Ayatollah Khomeini while gleefully pointing out that this guitar-plucking fraud is, in fact, an aw-shucks bull-flopper who knows dick about the role of the U.S. in the world today.

If McCain is nominated there is a good chance that a sizable number of true conservative Republicans will not even bother to vote on election day, reasoning that, at the conclusion of the scorched-earth presidency of the Lizard Queen, the Reagan Coalition will arise as a phoenix from the ashes and retake the Republic. (Heh…good luck with all of that.)

If Rudy is nominated you can kiss the Evangelical vote goodbye – ditto for most of the South, since he is an Italian from New YAWK – with an annoying lisp, no less.

If Mitt is nominated, most of the Republican electorate will hold their noses (yet again) and vote for him – except for the Bible-thumpers, on whom you can count to pretty much boycott the election, which will be rather a shame, seeing as how it will be about as close as the election was in 2000. Their bigoted refusal to vote for Romney will effectively roll out the red carpet for Her Thighness.

Odds are that McCain will get the nod. If he does, then I default to the Bainbridge Scenario. I fear that we have reached a tipping point in the history of our republic and that the time has come to let it tip.

Does that answer your question?

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:55 PM

to roux re 10:54 PM post: I suggest to you that you should not support Romney, but consider whether the personal animus toward John McCain is justified. I suggest also that the personla animus is not at all justified.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:56 PM

And you can rest assured that come November, I will not be anyone’s biatch because I will walk into that polling place and cast my vote for support that I CAN support for POTUS. -SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 10:55 PM

For what it is worth, Kimber, you are MY biatch…and I don’t mean that in a degrading or prison-movie kinda thing.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:57 PM

A new political wing erupts on the scene, the Obama conservatives

Obama is a class warfare socialist, why would conservatives vote for that?

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 10:57 PM

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:41 PM

I’m can’t go along with your scenario that we’ll be so fed up with 4 years of Hillary that we will repent and finally get Reagan reincarnated into the White House.

Do you have any idea how much irreparable damage can be done in 4 years? We could face Nuclear war or 9/11 terrorist attacks; we could have a number of vacancies on the Supreme Court; We could face economic collapse thanks to leftist tax and spend policies; any number of scenarios could arise, and who is in the White House (and Congress)is crucial as to how these things are handled.

This is not a PTA election. We are still trying to undue the damage that Roe V. Wade did for x sakes. These things take decades to fix. Just imagine what happens if we have more Hamdan v. Rumsfelds, or they decide to throw out the Patriot Act.

I’m a parent, and I cannot and will not risk my child’s future out of a stubborn desire to make a point about ‘the party’ straying from a strict adherence to principles.

With Rudy and Romney we have two fine conservative candidates, and to reject them out of hand because they aren’t Fred or Ron is self-destructive.

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Jimmie on January 21, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Hear, hear! Well said, sir. Well said.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM

For those looking to ditch the Republican Party, I’ve got a simple exercise. Take a look at the Republican Senate contingent, and make a list of names of those who you would like to have in your new, more conservative version of the party. I think it would be instructive to see exactly where this dividing line is drawn based on the current state of government. That is, how big a chunk could you take with you?

Big S on January 21, 2008 at 11:01 PM

To NemoParticularis re 10:55 PM post: I think that if McCain is nominated, that if conservatives are true conservatives and THINK, they will realize that they should gladly vote for McCain, who is already endorsed by many Reagan era conservatives, who has an 83% lifetime approval rating from the American Conservative Union and who is heads above anyone else as being qualified to be the next Commander in Chief.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:01 PM

I agree with ++undead, Sen McCain’s Gang of 14 was a slap in the face to more than just the RP, it was a slap to the entire US because it rewarded the behavior of Senate Democrats, when they were behaving beyond the scope of the Constitution.

For being some man of honesty, why did Sen McCain work behind closed doors, with La Raza, to broker an amnesty deal and attempt to ram it through without debate?

In regards to the tax issue, which Sen McCain magically supports since he’s now needs the conservatives who he has thus far prior to the election season ignored, which is more likely to believe, what a man is campaigning on or which way has a man voted? If the former, then believe what Sen McCain spins as being for the tax cuts before he was against it (to steal Sen Kerry). If the latter, then you cannot believe Sen McCain is in favor of tax cuts.

More about Sen McCain’s honesty, if he is honest about his stance on why a vast majority of the country rejected his co-sponsored amnesty bill being this tripe about “washington failed”, then he is dillusional. If he won’t be honest about why his bill was rejected outright, why would we believe him to be a straight shooter on anything else?

Bottomline, McCain is a liberal Republican just like Sen Arlen Spector.

Weebork on January 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM

to roux re 10:54 PM post: I suggest to you that you should not support Romney, but consider whether the personal animus toward John McCain is justified. I suggest also that the personla animus is not at all justified.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:56 PM

I’ve considered my pesonal animus towards McCain and I find it very justified. McCain. Never. Under no circumstances!

Get over it. Many of us despise the man.

jwp1964 on January 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM

With Rudy and Romney we have two fine conservative candidates, and to reject them out of hand because they aren’t Fred or Ron is self-destructive.

Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM

I don’t think he’s saying he would reject them, he’s saying that others will, and I think he’s correct.

doubleplusundead on January 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I’m a parent, and I cannot and will not risk my child’s future out of a stubborn desire to make a point about ‘the party’ straying from a strict adherence to principles.
With Rudy and Romney we have two fine conservative candidates, and to reject them out of hand because they aren’t Fred or Ron is self-destructive.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM

I agree, and I dont want to see my child fighting in a war that we should have finished.

paulsur on January 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I have always voted. I have never ever “sat out” an election. I will not vote for McCain. That man has been nothing but trouble for conservatives, the party and for this nation! He sickens me. I am a Christan conservative and would rather vote for Rudy even if I knew ahead of time he would appoint libs on the court. McCain is one step above Kennedy, and that is saying almost nothing.

JellyToast on January 21, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Do you have any idea how much irreparable damage can be done in 4 years? We could face Nuclear war or 9/11 terrorist attacks; we could have a number of vacancies on the Supreme Court; We could face economic collapse thanks to leftist tax and spend policies; any number of scenarios could arise… – Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM

My dear Danish…I’m positively counting on ALL of it. Some folks can be awakened with just a gentle touch. Others, by poking and prodding. It would appear that the present electorate requires a somewhat more assertive tocsin.

Cry ‘havoc’ and let slip the dogs of war.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:04 PM

I fear that we have reached a tipping point in the history of our republic and that the time has come to let it tip.

Does that answer your question?

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 10:55 PM

I wanted you to describe your vision of what it looks like during and after the tip. I can’t see it.

JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 11:05 PM

I suggest to you that you should not support Romney, but consider whether the personal animus toward John McCain is justified. I suggest also that the personla animus is not at all justified.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 10:56 PM

I know Phil but I really really really don’t like the guy. I know they’re all arrogant but he wears his on his sleeve.

Huckabee is a joke and I just don’t think Rudy can overcome some of his negatives. Of course I’ll vote against ObamaHillary no matter what. I really wish Thompson was a stronger candidate.

roux on January 21, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Quote all the McCain talking points you want, but his record speaks volumes about the man.

I don’t want that man to occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Fred! could endorse him and he still wouldn’t get my vote.

I have a long memory and no amount of talking points is going to cause me to forget what I know to be true. John McCain is not a conservative. And since he was mulling switching parties 4 years ago, exactly how much of a Republican is he?

SimplyKimberly on January 21, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Ego

jp on January 21, 2008 at 11:06 PM

To NemoParticularis re 10:55 PM post: I think that if McCain is nominated, that if conservatives are true conservatives and THINK, they will realize that they should gladly vote for McCain, who is already endorsed by many Reagan era conservatives, who has an 83% lifetime approval rating from the American Conservative Union and who is heads above anyone else as being qualified to be the next Commander in Chief. – Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:01 PM

To Phil Byler: Put down the crack pipe and move away from the keyboard.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Only 83% approve of him being alive? That last 17% is too hardcore for me. Seriously, the ACU doesn’t speak for me.

If McCain is nominated, I will think very seriously about who to vote for. Then, when I go to the polls it will be the third-party conservative (if there is one) or I’ll leave without voting for POTUS. McCain is not an acceptable option.

Stashiu3 on January 21, 2008 at 11:08 PM

To SimplyKimberly: you seem quite emotional in your feelings that seem to be against John McCain. Is it the 83% approval in voting record from the American Conservative Union that has you upset? Or is it John McCain being right for years on Iraq, first in criticizing the light footprint strategy and then in supporting the surge when Democrats were declaring defeat and most Republicans were either looking for a way out (e.g., Senator Lugar) or looking at their feet (Romney)? Or is it that John McCain is pro-life and, unlike Romney, never campaigned as a pro-choice candidate? Does the fact that former Secretaries of State George Schultz, Henry Kissinger, Lawrence Eagleburger and Alexander Haig all have endorsed John McCain have you unnerved? Is John McCain’s lifetime of being a fiscal hawk against increased federal spending have you down?

SimplyKimberly, being a conservative means thinking for yourself clearly. I owuld kindly suggest that you have feelings that are not justifiable. you are not alone. there are other conservatives like you. But my advice is the same as to them.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:09 PM

To Phil Byler: Put down the crack pipe and move away from the keyboard.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Amen brother. ROFLMAO,

jwp1964 on January 21, 2008 at 11:09 PM

tocsin.

Cry ‘havoc’ and let slip the dogs of war.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:04 PM

tocsin and sintax. DAMN!

JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 11:09 PM

I wanted you to describe your vision of what it looks like during and after the tip. I can’t see it. – JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 11:05 PM

That is because you are very likely a decent and kind person who has not read Hobbes’ ‘Leviathan’ or dwelled at any length on Santayana’s Curse.

The vision is one of societal, political; and economic hell.

You are Dante. I am Virgil. Welcome to the First Circle.

NemoParticularis on January 21, 2008 at 11:11 PM

To roux re 10:56 PM post; what can I say to convince you that your impressions about John McCain are way off? He really is not arrogant but one of the more down to earth politicians around. Why do you think he has been successful in New Hampshire? New Hampshire voters would not stand for the kind of arrogance you describe.

Phil Byler on January 21, 2008 at 11:12 PM

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