Debate hightlights: Dueling demagogues; Hillary gets booed for challenging Obama’s “present” votes
posted at 9:01 pm on January 21, 2008 by Bryan
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The Hillary campaign has been dishonest on Obama’s Reagan remarks from the beginning (as has Edwards), but that didn’t stop Hillary from mischaracterizing them during tonight’s debate one more time. The exchange gets heated, with Obama eventually slamming Hillary’s career as a corporate lawyer on the Wal-Mart board and Hillary bringing up Obama’s association with Tony Rezko. For those of us who don’t like either one of these people, it’s a chance to see them both lose an exchange since neither one comes off as presidential or even particularly likable.
Update: Highlight #2 features the spectacle of a Clinton hitting someone else for being tough to pin down and get a straight answer from. Hillary earns a boo here and Obama ends up winning the exchange by turning his “present” votes into what sounds like defensible legislative strategy imho.
Update: John Edwards is a silly man. He just said that he thinks he can compete against John McCain anywhere in America. He’s not even competitive in his own party anymore and didn’t even bring either of his home states to the Kerry column in 2004. He’s doing worse in this year’s primaries than he did four years ago. His national competitiveness has not been demonstrated at all.
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Republican Debate: Who loves Ronald Reagan the mostest?
Democrat Debate: Who hates Ronald Reagan the mostest?
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 9:05 PM
I think Hillary looks worse than Obambi.
Michelle on January 21, 2008 at 9:06 PM
As a Fredhead I might vote for Barry.
mred on January 21, 2008 at 9:07 PM
If people listened to the Dem debate with an open mind, not a single vote would be cast for any of these cretins.
Lies. Pandering. Stupidity.
Reagan would say “there you go again.” And he’d be right.
We are in deep doo-doo, folks.
MrScribbler on January 21, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Wolf Blitzer: “There’s been a specific charge leveled at Hillary Clinton, we must let her speak”
Wahwahwah.. let the girl speak!!
Mcguyver on January 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM
So you can blame all the ills of the country on the black guy? Raaaaaacist!
/sarc
SouthernGent on January 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Yes, yes… but how’s Edwards’ hair?
Sugar Land on January 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Hillary is definitely at a disadvantage when fighting Obama. She gets excited and shrill; he gets excited but still seems cool. And that’s true even when what he says is nonsense.
Bryan on January 21, 2008 at 9:10 PM
The bloodletting’s so thick that the floor’s gotten sticky. Let’s pray for a runoff at their convention.
NorthernCross on January 21, 2008 at 9:11 PM
SouthernGent on January 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM
sarc noted.
Barry’s seems like the only sane one.
mred on January 21, 2008 at 9:11 PM
At least Obama can keep his mouth shut as Hillary drones on…Clinton, not so much, and she of either of ‘em should know better.
JetBoy on January 21, 2008 at 9:12 PM
The great divide - Me thinks the Dem party will never be the same after this election. Also, Poor Silky can’t get a word in to save his dead campaign.
Rick on January 21, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Hillary is more comfortable now. She’s definitely had her pump primed.
I think this election is going to be won by the least annoying candidate. No positive criteria are going to be met.
The Race Card on January 21, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Ah the future is bright. One of those, POTUS. Depressing.
ronsfi on January 21, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Did you hear them try to answer the question of Iraq? lolol Their answers didn’t make any sense
froghat on January 21, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I give that round to Hildebeast. By a pretty wide margin.
Typhoon on January 21, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Sad to say, neither will the GOP be the same. Unless there’s some solidifying done by both parties once the nominees are in place, and the two parties can start channeling their differences at one another instead of within themselves.
JetBoy on January 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Pretty sad. Barack sounds more conservative and willing to stick to his principles then anybody on the Republican ticket.
Just A Grunt on January 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Yep !! and very very petty. That was a “I know you are
but what am I ” Debate
Texyank on January 21, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Say what you want about Hillary, but at least she’s not a food-Nazi. One look at her butt tells you that.
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on January 21, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Come on Wolf … give us what we want …
CAGE MATCH ! ! !
Chimp 6 on January 21, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Gawd, this is depressing beyond belief…It’s like America as MTV’s ‘The Real World’…we are screwed if these guys even come close…but I fear they will win. Exit question: What will we all do when one of these unethical idiots wins?
AUINSC on January 21, 2008 at 9:19 PM
If it’s Obama it’ll be solid. Hillary will fracture the party to it’s core.
For the Republicans, who knows?
SouthernDem on January 21, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Go Barry
mred on January 21, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Honestly, if I’m gonna end up with someone in the WH with whom I will have an antagonistic relationship, I really think Obama would be my guy.
VolMagic on January 21, 2008 at 9:21 PM
I wish Wolf Blitzer would wear a parka jacket and sunglasses and yell questions at the candidates.
froghat on January 21, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Lord help the US if
either of theseany of the Dems EVER get elected to the White House!MsDollie on January 21, 2008 at 9:21 PM
It’s the race card (Obami) v. the gender card (Billary) v. the class card (Silky)
Captain America on January 21, 2008 at 9:23 PM
They all deserve a royal flush
Captain America on January 21, 2008 at 9:24 PM
He has at least some kind of clue.
mred on January 21, 2008 at 9:24 PM
With the operative word being “sound.” His voice sounds nice. It’s melodious and mellifluous. It’s Frank Sinatra at his best.
But it aint conservative. SNAP OUT OF IT!
JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Since Obama had a white mother and a black father, why is he referred to as black? Back in the days of slavery, anyone with black blood was considered black. These days, couldn’t Obama be considered white? It is 50-50, after all. As for Hillary, if rumors of her sexual preference prove true, I guess we could have the mixed race versus the mixed sexuality contest.
NNtrancer on January 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM
vs. the religion card in the GOP
JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM
That part was good TV.
Wagthatdog on January 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM
I don’t know…Obama talks a lot about “coming toghether” and “unification” but has that ever really worked?
JetBoy on January 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM
How could a one term white senator from Illinois run for President?
JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Barak…channeling Silky may be the best defense….
Barak…people want to move beyond our divisions…btw, did you know I was african-american.
He shoots, he scores! ..women, african-americans, john….
AUINSC on January 21, 2008 at 9:28 PM
What a suck-fest! How do you pick the biggest fool in this bunch?
As if “African-Americans” are the whole country….
Hitlery wants us to go back to the days of Mr Big Cigar, Osama Obama is making excuses, and Edweirds is simply ridiculous.
But it seems clear that the so-called “conservatives” have ceded the White House to Clinton or Obama. At least MM, Rash Limbaugh and all those who slapped down the true patriot/conservative possibilities.
Watch carefully, peeps. Your next president is on the stage tonight.
MrScribbler on January 21, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Did you know that John Edwards love the poor?
AUINSC on January 21, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Silky - If only I didn’t start to sound like a statistic…
AUINSC on January 21, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Silky - Let me tell you a story about a poor woman….
AUINSC on January 21, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Silky - Does she live in one of your 137 rooms in your little shack in NC?
AUINSC on January 21, 2008 at 9:30 PM
You mean Hillary! actually works? I thought being on a board just meant money for doing nothing? In fact, I’m sure of it.
Blake on January 21, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Unfortunately, when Obama lays the Wal*Mart line on her, he shifts his eyes for an instant. Too bad he couldn’t give her the stare down to show he is not intimidated.
The Silky One missed a golden opportunity. When he was saying that there was a third person in the debate, he should have said, “I am enjoying watching this. You two go on, I’ll just stand here looking presidential.” Two for one slam.
Mallard T. Drake on January 21, 2008 at 9:32 PM
A question that should be asked: Considering that trial lawyers have increased the price of virtually everything to cover the cost of defending lawsuits, how does that square with your concern for the poor, Mr. Edwards?
NNtrancer on January 21, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Is that a Hunter Thompson reference?
Mallard T. Drake on January 21, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Hil a collectivist
mred on January 21, 2008 at 9:35 PM
I don’t know why people say Hillary is smart. She isn’t. She’s just loud.
Obama I think came off very well in that clip. She was left stuttering at the end of that exchange, and Obama had landed some solid punches.
Fortunately the Democrat primary voters are off their rockers and still voting for her.
pedestrian on January 21, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Wow. Barack is really good in front of the camera. He needs to teach a class at the Learning Annex.
The Race Card on January 21, 2008 at 9:35 PM
He’s a pretty damn good orator. I don’t think he’ll have a problem.
Besides, nothing brings people together like loathing, and a lot of Democrats loathe Hillary. Pair that with the greater disgust of the Republicans they have and they’ll get behind him no matter what policy disagreements they have.
SouthernDem on January 21, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Who said something about Hillary’s wide margin?
fourstringfuror on January 21, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Mr. Obama “My whole life I fought for…”
Mr. Reagan, from the grave “Kid, when you reach at least 2/3rds of my life, you may consider saying something like that…”.
Entelechy on January 21, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I thought BO did real well in that exchange and Hilda went for the gutter politics.
I’m out of popcorn…
swami on January 21, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Is that like a wide stance ?
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Hillary, “Politics is not a game.”
No, it’s a merely a means to make millions from writing books and giving speeches.
To the Clintons, it’s a lifestyle.
fogw on January 21, 2008 at 9:46 PM
That whole thing was stupid.
I liked the “Bill has a Dream” clip better.
Domino on January 21, 2008 at 9:52 PM
WWJD?
mythicknight on January 21, 2008 at 9:54 PM
I find it illuminating that the audience immediately boos when Hillary starts mentioning her opponent’s RECORD. Didn’t even wait for her to finish her list.
Facts?? Quoting a voting record (even if wrong or misleading) in a debate? Shame on her.
Only civil kumbayas here, please. It’s a Democratic debate.
fred5678 on January 21, 2008 at 9:57 PM
The real fractured party is the democrat party.
SouthernGent on January 21, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Featherweights playacting at being tough and experienced.
If somebody turned an oscillating fan on, they’d all blow right off the stage.
Only their overload of cliches gives them any ballast.
A pox on these chickens.
profitsbeard on January 21, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Hillary is against lobbyists, unless their name is Marc Rich or fat cats from China.
What a Joke.
fogw on January 21, 2008 at 10:00 PM
What a load of petty, juvenile, he-said-she-said BS…
DaveS on January 21, 2008 at 10:01 PM
WWMLKD?
mythicknight on January 21, 2008 at 10:02 PM
John Edwards is channeling his own dead campaign now
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:03 PM
To you I say — you’ll get the governance you deserve.
And to you I say — Bing! I think we have a winner.
I won’t even click the image; I hate watching people argue, especially when I know both are lying. And it reminds me why people will vote for the candidate who rises above this garbage. No positive criteria are going to be met.
Perfect.
Jaibones on January 21, 2008 at 10:03 PM
No question about it. Her facial expressions, that hateful look, was not presidential at all. She showed a mean streak and a temper that would rival John McCain’s.
Zorro on January 21, 2008 at 10:04 PM
That’s what ya’ll get for watching that crap. I find it very hard to even hear their names much less get interested anymore in those two. THE CLINTONS - AGAIN! And a racist who went to a madrasa in Indonesia and attends a ‘hate all whites’ church, c’mon! But the trouble is, one of ‘em might be the next Pres.
countywolf on January 21, 2008 at 10:05 PM
And Republicans are worried about this crop of candidates?
Yes - because of the electorate.
fred5678 on January 21, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Not surprising.
peacenprosperity on January 21, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I can say “change”, I’ll run for president too.
V15J on January 21, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Did anybody else laugh out loud when Hillary referred to her spouse as “passionate and committed”? It’s undisputable that he’s passionated, but committed - not so much. (Yes, obviously that’s out of context but it’s still the first thing I thought of.)
On the up side, I just got word through the family grapevine that my Kos Kid brother is completely disgusted with ALL the Dems. If we have to have a GOP meltdown, it’s nice to see the other side melting down too.
Laura on January 21, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I need someone to tell me how Obama is worse than McCain or Huckabee?
I’m sorry, but screw party lines. I’m voting for whoever lies to us the least.
unamused on January 21, 2008 at 10:13 PM
MLK “I have a dream”
Bill Clinton “I had a wet dream !”
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Obama doesnt lie he just doesnt say anything to avoid lying
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Cut to the chase:Hillary called Obama a liar!
canopfor on January 21, 2008 at 10:15 PM
@ unamused on January 21, 2008 at 10:13 PM
He is worse when you look at his policies. But if you are voting for character, he has all of the republicans beat by a LONG shot.
muyoso on January 21, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Character ? Obama is still an empty suit. He just states change over and over again and hopes that is enough
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Did he vote one way and then pander another?
Look, at least the man is a registered member of the party he votes with. McCain and Huck can’t say the same.
If it weren’t for the impending SCOTUS vacancies, I’d say a liberal in the White House may teach this electorate a good lesson. But I don’t want to see the courts gain any ground on it’s 30-year trend of activism.
I refuse to vote for a democrat in republican clothing. If Romney or Fred don’t make it, I’m voting Obama.
unamused on January 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM
No he just votes “Present”
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Obama continues to impress me when I see him on video. He may very well be the next president. There is one upside. He may be our messiah from white guilt. A black president would make a mockery of racism being the cornerstone of our society. I almost think it would be worth it.
thuja on January 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM
@ William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Maybe to you, because that is all you want to hear.
muyoso on January 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM
@ William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM
You sound like Hillary.
muyoso on January 21, 2008 at 10:24 PM
And don’t just react to my political blasphemy. Yeah, I know, how dare I suggest I’d vote for that lib…
Consider that this country appears to be pining for a lib as POTUS. This year we have had ring-side seats to the state-by-state rejection of conservatism. Apparently our government isn’t the only group of Americans who have forgotten how we got to 9/11. When 9/11 happened, I said to my wife, “They’ll do their tribute news magazine shows, have rallies, draft some legislation, and eventually forget it happened. This won’t be the last tragic terror attack on our soil.”
I think we need to face the fact that our countrymen still don’t realize the nature or the seriousness of the fight we’re in. We have terrorism and failing social entitlements. This isn’t a race for President, it’s a race to the next tragedy.
But that’s not the end of the story. As always, we conservatives will be there to pick up the pieces, put up our sleeves, and help America carry on. It’s just sad to see it coming and be able to do nothing to stop it.
unamused on January 21, 2008 at 10:27 PM
yes, he’s quite the character, guess he even beats Ron Paul in your opinion.
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on January 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM
You do realise there are American Troops in harms way don’t you? I hate Huck and MCain dearly but are you really willing to trust their lifes with Barry as CIC?
Big Orange on January 21, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Hillary: Obama looked at me!!
Obama: Did not!
Hillary: DID SO!!
Obama: You’re STUPID!
Edwards: I found a penny…
Hillary: You’re stupid!
Obama: Fatty!
Edwards: I’m what? Huh?
Ugh.
Ugly on January 21, 2008 at 10:35 PM
I’m not going to campaign for Obama, so don’t ask me to.
I will tell you this: I would trust anyone with the lives of our troops over McCain and Huckabee.
Look at the way they have voted with respect to the lives of people under their charge in the past. Do you really think their dishonest and selfish natures won’t make it into the oval office with them?
And what happens if McCain gets a bug up his arse about the military? Will he do to them what he did to free speech in McCain/Feingold?
McCain and Huck would kill their mother for a penny and you want to trust our troops with their lives. Sorry, but having an R next to your name doesn’t absolve you of past behaviors.
unamused on January 21, 2008 at 10:36 PM
As Rush has said many times before…“You can’t beat somebody with nobody”.
We have nobody running, and we all just sit around arguing about how we’re going to stay home if this person or that gets the nomination.
It is already over for the republican party this time around.
Obama is the lesser of the two evils here.
Go Barry!
Dorvillian on January 21, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Let me qualify my previous statement. I would trust almost anyone with the lives of our troops. But certainly not anyone with the last name Clinton.
At least with a dem in office, the GOP won’t feel obliged to try to get along. If a RINO is in office, we’ll lose our shirt just because the jerk is a member of the party.
So which would you prefer? An openly liberal President whose policies we can choke out in congress or a closet liberal who will tack our party leftward for at least 4 years?
unamused on January 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Barry “I dont know nothing because I did nothing” Obama ?
The guy is utterly clueless to even be a US senator much less the President
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Show of hands, in the first clip, did she remind you of at least one ex?
- The Cat
MirCat on January 21, 2008 at 10:45 PM
woah, I raise my hand for the first line out of her mouth on the next clip too.
- The Cat
MirCat on January 21, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Look our views on McCain and Hucky are pretty much in line and them having an R by their name is an embarassment to me but Barry has NO CLUE on Iraq and Afghanistan. He keeps saying it but he will not withdraw asap. He is not gonna hang a loss around the Dems neck. I would hate like crazy to vote for John McCain and I still don’t think I can do it, but I think that moron would do what was right in those theatres. It really sucks that this is where we are at doesn’t it?
Big Orange on January 21, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Add to the fact that Barak wants all of us to pay for other peoples houses because they took out loans on them that went bad and that we should also give them health care Id say we have problems with him
William Amos on January 21, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I have really been thinking about this today also and you make a very good point. I just wonder if the weak kneed republicans in congress would actually fight. I like to think they woul but sometimes I wonder.
Big Orange on January 21, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Yes and that just makes me cringe.
Big Orange on January 21, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I get a real “Ray Nagin” vibe from Obama. He’s utterly incomprehensible at times. Truly, you have a dizzying intellect!
Mojave Mark on January 21, 2008 at 11:00 PM
# Big Orange on January 21, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Oh THATS rich, if anything THEIR lives are a hell of a lot safer with Obama in charge, he will bring them out of the hellhole that is Iraq.
muyoso on January 21, 2008 at 11:05 PM
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