Fredhead poll Update: A decision coming Tuesday?
posted at 5:18 pm on January 20, 2008 by Bryan
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Patrick Ruffini is running the poll, which asks two questions.
#1. If Fred drops out of the race, who will you support?
#2. If Fred drops out and endorses McCain, what impact will that have on your vote?
Before you Fredheads yell at me about this poll, consider that Fred declared that South Carolina was his stand state and he finished third there. Also consider that at some point, people have to start dropping out of the GOP race, and Fred and Huckabee are probably the most likely major candidates to drop out at this point. Huckabee because South Carolina gave him a loss on what amounted to home turf, and Fred because the evidence of Fredmentum is, sadly, scant. Reality’s teeth are getting sharper by the day.
If I had my druthers, Fred would stay in, we would go to a brokered convention and Fred would end up on the ticket. But my druthers don’t seem to be accounting for much these days.
Update: Carl Cameron says there may be a decision coming Tuesday.
As we have previously reported Fred Thomspon is in Tennessee visiting his 90 plus year old mother who is recovering from an illness
There will be no decisions today as Thompson mulls whether to carry on his bid for the presidency but he is expected to say something definitive tomorrow, probably first thing in the morning.
While no one in the campaign will be surprised if he withdraws they have no idea which way he will go and they do have some money if he should decide to continue.
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What God lacks is convictions — stability of character. He ought to be a Presbyterian or a Lutheran or a Methodist or a Catholic or a Mormon or an Episcopalian or something — not try to be everything.
- Mark Twain
Tuco on January 20, 2008 at 9:55 PM
heh, point scored!
conservnut on January 20, 2008 at 9:56 PM
And which version of the Christian Church might you be speaking of, smart guy?
Big S on January 20, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Thank you, thank you! (*bows*)
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 9:57 PM
For the record:
Mormons are not Christians. That judgement was made by Joseph Smith himself. In the First Vision, he says God the Father and God the Son physically appeared before him and told him not to join any church, because they were all abominations.
The Mormon faith did not exist before Joseph Smith. The Christian faith did.
The only real relevance to this current discussion is the persistent attempt to label people as bigots because they don’t consider Mormonism to be a branch of Christianity.
News flash: it’s possible to reject a claim without being a bigot.
Mormons have certainly been part of our country and part of our government for many years now, so I’m hardly concerned by Romney’s Mormonism. My concern with Romney is how firm he will stand for conservative principles, having so recently been, well, not.
theregoestheneighborhood on January 20, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Hear, hear. This religious bickering is pointless. With the exception of Islam, I couldn’t care less what religion a man or woman professes. If he or she is qualified for the office of president (i.e., a conservative) I’ll vote for him or her.
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 9:57 PM
RushBaby, I undestand the seriousness of what you write on the issues, and what you believe in. This is why the current state of the conservative electorate is perplexing me.
Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM
You still here? I thought you left for Canada? When is your flight leaving. Come’on dude, get going!
You should be so embarrassed after choosing two (2) loosing candidates in row! What the hell?
Mcguyver on January 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Why do you need to add that? I don’t mean to sound naive, but most Muslims I know are peaceful. The terrorists that use their so-called “relgious beliefs” to justify their evil actions give a bad name to normal, everyday Muslims.
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM
At the count of “three”, everyone just start ignoring haraldo. “One”, “two”, “three.”
This is what we should be having fun with:
fred5678 on January 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Whereupon H-wood seized on the story and a movie was born: “Almighty Dearest.” (Full disclosure: I’m a Christian - with a wicked sense of humor. Forgive me, Jesus. And while you’re at it, see to it that Huckabee eats a rabid squirrel.)
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:02 PM
If Fred drops out……..and I hope and pray he does not do that, but if he does I will have to back Obama. If we are stupid enough to let the only true conservative leave the race than we shall reap what we sow. You see the GOP is no longer if we don’t have true conservative leaders. Think about it.
nursemorgan1 on January 20, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Ahh….welcome to the club, Barack. We meet on Thursdays.
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Am I a bigot if I also state the fact that islam is not considered part of the Christian church?
BTW the Christian church is all protestant denominations and the catholic church.
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 10:02 PM
That should be good for a new rant from Billy Jeff.
conservnut on January 20, 2008 at 10:03 PM
On this blog, MB4 has a monopoly on Mark Twan quotes.
Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 10:03 PM
I’ll drink to that…
JetBoy on January 20, 2008 at 10:03 PM
That is a good point.
I have seen religious bickering turn ugly, esp. when mixed with politics.
Thank god we live in a country where you are free to believe or not believe what ever you want.
Let’s keep this discussion on track and let’s figure out how we can beat that snake handler Huckabee!
TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Consider it a triple. Wish I could enjoy the ball game with you, but February will officially mark my eight year anniversary Television Free.
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Mark Twain, that is - please Mark Twain, forgive one of your admiring subjects such a spelling transgression…especially since you’re the one who said
Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 10:06 PM
May I ask where MB4 keeps this so called blog?
TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 10:06 PM
malan89,
I’ve been wondering….are you a muslim?
The only people I’ve ever heard say that islam is a religion of peace are ignorant liberals who’ve never read the koran or taqiyya practicing muslims.
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 10:07 PM
You are naive. Hopelessly, helplessly naive. Lethally naive. But at least you admit it - that’s the first step to recovery. Google “Bernard Lewis.” Go to Amazon.com and order everything he ever wrote that is still in print and read all of it.
Then come back and we’ll chat about the “religion of peace.”
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:07 PM
As a former Catholic and a former Mormon I still believe both are Christian religions.
infidel on January 20, 2008 at 10:07 PM
id piss on a spark plug right now if it would keep Fred
in teh convention.
Stipatriot on January 20,2008 at 9:00PM
Stipatriot: HEHE,that must be some kinda octain ya got!
canopfor on January 20, 2008 at 10:07 PM
@ TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Easy, hand him a microphone and allow him exposure to the public.
muyoso on January 20, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Seriously?
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:08 PM
…50% chance of giving away family secrets…
Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 10:08 PM
You forgot the Eastern Orthodox in addition to numerous Coptic Churches in the Middle East.
(Sorry for feeding the troll, guys.)
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Don’t forget Goldwater quotes.
I got a tribute for MB4:
“I think every good Christian ought to kick
FalwellHaraldHardrada (updated) right in the ass.” - Barry GoldwaterCABE on January 20, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I don’t know what would be more disappointing: Fred dropping out, or Fred dropping out and endorsing McCain.
ToddonCapeCod on January 20, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Tuco bad.
Tuco will put his head into the fire.
Tuco on January 20, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Well then , just to catch you up, John Boy became a writer and moved to Raleigh and Uncle Joe is shackin’ up with some harlot in Pixly.
TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Fred dropping out and endorsing McCain. Next question?
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I am not very well versed on Islam except for the two Muslims I know here in Bible Belt North Carolina and the extremists we’ve all been exposed to. I’ve never been too interested in reading up on it, so I won’t argue with you. Besides, I don’t think I’ll have to worry about having to vote in an election with a Muslim as a serious candidate anyways.
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Packers just lost the game thanks to Brett throwing an interception, and Fred took third in South Carolina.
Words can’t describe how disappointing this goddamned weekend has been.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Your boy Mubarak Hussein Obama is a muslim and is running for president right now!
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 10:14 PM
malan89, +1. Political Islam is our enemy. Not everyday Muslims.
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Then I suggest you bone up on your history, pilgrim. You have about 1,500 years of catching up to do.
WTF?! Are you for real?
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM
@ malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM
The problem with Islam isnt necessarily Islam, its that the muslims who practice it are by and large, poor as hell. They are poor, they are uneducated, they are centuries behind technologically. Take all that into account, and it really doesnt take a lot to pervert the religion to justify heinous crap. Think of Christianity on the other hand, the vast majority are well educated, not poor, and advanced technologically, so it takes a fair bit to pervert the religion to justify heinous crap.
muyoso on January 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Works for me.
- Rick Hunter
Tuco on January 20, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Do you ever stop spouting complete bulls***?
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Come on…seriously? Is this some joke? I’ve always wondered who the people like you are. You are to me like SPs are to Tom Cruise.
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Besides the fact that Christianity doesn’t tell it’s followers to kill all non Christians…unlike islam which very clearly says to kill all non muslims.
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Unless that “everyday muslim” is wolfing down a BLT, swigging Vodka or playing frisbee with a golden retriever, I wouldn’t turn my back to him.
Then again, he could very well be part of a sleeper cell. I hear the 9-11 Nineteen were quite the party cossacks.
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I will become angry with you Tuco if you don’t stop infringing on my territory.
MB4 on January 20, 2008 at 10:19 PM
This might not be very consoling, but you are still one of my favorite gentlemen at HA :)
Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Big Damn Ditto!
SimplyKimberly on January 20, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I don’t care WHY people want to kill us, just that they want to kill us. The Muslims I know don’t want to kill me, but the ones a couple thousand miles away do.
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Don’t make me have to use atheist talking points to show you what a blithering idiot you are:
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Poll results currently are:
1. Mitt at 76%
2. No Impact at 88%
I concur………….time for a cold one to deal with the rough, possible Fred!less week ahead…………sigh…….
omnipotent on January 20, 2008 at 10:21 PM
I think I have figured out how AP and BP take time off.
They just post some Fred thread where there is potential doom then they know we’ll be busy for 400 –1000 post.
TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Keep that up so the ban hammer comes out.
Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 10:21 PM
The problem with Islam has ALWAYS been Islam. Crack open a history book. Read. Learn.
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:21 PM
And you are one of my favorites ladies. Trust me, your compliment does soften the blow. Well, not blow. More like knife in the gut.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Shooting match? Prize = Gold
Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM
madcon,
Obviously you don’t know anything about the Bible otherwise you wouldn’t have used that quote to try to prove that Christianity like islam wants to kill all non Christians.
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Well I’m off to shovel the stinkin driveway,everbody
have a good night,eh.
canopfor on January 20, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Nice try bigot. You already said a persons status as a Christian is between him and God. So, neither you nor any of the rest of you bigoted disgusting scumbag bigots get to decide who is or is not a Christian.
csdeven on January 20, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Write in Fred ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||84% 42
Huckster 0% 0
Juanita Mac 0% 0
Mitt the Rino ||||||||16% 8
Rudolfo G. 0% 0
Write in Fred!◄ Vote!
TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 10:23 PM
I hear you loud and clear. I’m just not convinced I need to paint with a brush that smothers.
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 10:24 PM
I hope not. His ignorance is pretty funny. I still think some guy is sitting behind his keyboard laughing his ass off trying to figure out what ridiculous thing to say next.
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Yes, he is. And this thread is a microcosm of the reasons that either he or Hillary will win.
Some say; the devil that you do know is better than the devil that you don’t know.
I disagree. A democrat will be in the White House in 2009 and I would prefer it be Obama.
Hope. Change. Total Destruction. Obama ‘08
Dorvillian on January 20, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Ha!
csdeven on January 20, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Wow. Turn off Fox and read a book. Maybe two. I’m sorry, but that’s an EXTREMELY ignorant thing to say, Hillary has gotten in some trouble for her staffers supposedly circulating that Obama is Muslim.
Also, I thought your response about Islam was funny.
Sooo you’re ignorant AND lazy? Awesome.
FLcapitalistthug on January 20, 2008 at 10:25 PM
@ NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:21 PM
You should do the same. Look back to when Christians were poor and uneducated. Just as brutal as Islam is today.
muyoso on January 20, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Agreed.
NOBODY is that stupid and bigoted.
SimplyKimberly on January 20, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Go ahead, write in Fred. And watch Huckasocialism take the nomination.
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Hey dipstick, my K-8 years were spent in Catholic school, being the only non-baptized kid and the only kid without a trust fund, because my parents wanted me to have better than public school. What I learned about was the hypocrisy of many teachers their attitudes about Christianity. I was one of the only kids in my class who ever actually took a Bible and read it.
Deuteronomy is a violent chapter. It is a chapter of the book you claim to follow. If you don’t like it, stop following it. However, don’t sit there and pretend that it means nothing. The suras that you skim to prove your point about Islam have no more legitimacy than what I posted. Get over yourself. You are not God, so quit talking like him.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Hierarchy:
GOD
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Huckabee
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HaraldHardrada
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Everyone else
CABE on January 20, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Um…BAD move quoting Deuteronomy, Madison. Christians follow Jesus Christ, who, according to the Gospels, made lame beggars walk and blind men see. Who healed the sick and raised the dead. Who never once commanded any of those who followed Him to kill another.
The Christian reads the Old Testament not for instructions from God on what to eat or whom to stone but rather to see for himself the signs of mankind’s salvation.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. In this case, the Troll smoked you. Sorry.
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:28 PM
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Harry Reid…is that you?
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 10:28 PM
$10 to Fred, scoffer.
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 10:29 PM
I’m not all that interested in what Muslims believe. I think each person decides what they personally believe. You can be a peaceful Muslim just as easily as you can be a kill-everybody Muslim. Its all how you interpret it. The earlier wouldn’t consider the latter to be a Muslim and vise versa.
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:29 PM
That is so right.
A religion is like pronouncing a proper name, the person that owns the name gets to decide on how it is pronounced.
A religion or sect gets to decide what it is called and what dogma it follows.
If Tom Cruise wants to call himself a Christian , hey , that is between him Xenu and like 100 million souls burning atop volcanoes.
TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 10:30 PM
I’m talking about once Fred is out of the race. I’d like to see that 10 bucks go to Romney but I wouldn’t mind if it goes to Fred. He might be able to pull off a miracle, which would be awesome.
malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Oh this should get good now. Jack Daniels and seatbelts all around.
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 10:31 PM
I wasn’t making an argument about whether modern day Christians kill each other or not. However, the average Christian doesn’t carry around the New Testament on its own. They carry around both books. Therefore, it’s more than reasonable to call them on the Old one. Particularly when they keep referring to a singular Christian church. Apparently, he’s as behind the times as to the Reformation as your average Wahhabist is.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Great point! All in favor of this person making a logical cogent point, based on reasoning, say Jesus H. Huckachrist!
Ad hominems get old after
a whilequickly, and are usually used by the person losing the argument.FLcapitalistthug on January 20, 2008 at 10:32 PM
heh…
JetBoy on January 20, 2008 at 10:32 PM
You can be a
peacefulMuslim just as easily as you can be a kill-everybody Muslim. Its all how you interpretitkilling all non muslims and establishing a worldwide islamic caliphate.malan89 on January 20, 2008 at 10:29 PM
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 10:32 PM
“Disagree with me, and you’re a jerk.”
Very Christian.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 10:33 PM
ATTENTION HOT AIR: GREAT JOB BASHING MCCAIN! YOUR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB, THAT A NOBODY AND A DRIFTER CAN WIN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. THEN, WE HAVE EVEN LESS LEVERAGE IN D.C. WHILE YOU DESTROY MCCAIN YOU LEAVE US WITH NO ALTERNATIVE, YOU ARE SO SMART. MAYBE DELAY, COULTERE, AND JESSE HELMS CAN HAVE A VOTER DRIVE. BRILLIANT. CONGRATS DEMS, YOU SHOULD BE SMUG WHILE YOU LAUGH AS MCCAIN IS DESTROYED BY HIS OWN PARTY OF LOSERS. NEOCONS GO AND DIE, SO ANOTHER GENERATION CAN CONTROL A DESTINY THAT DOESN’T CONTAIN ZEALOUTS.
THE CHOSEN ONE on January 20, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Is that you Angel Eyes?
Tuco on January 20, 2008 at 10:35 PM
I’m going to end this pointless game of badminton with you with a simple fact:
You are the kind of person that gives religion a bad name.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 10:35 PM
If Fred drops out and I hope and pray he does not do that, but if he does…….I’ll back Obama. If we as conservatives are stupid enough not to back the only true conservative in the race then we shall reap what we sow. You see there is no GOP if we do not have good conservative leaders.
nursemorgan1 on January 20, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Really? Care to cite some examples? And please don’t waste keystrokes bringing up the Crusades. By that time Islam had already invaded and conquered all of the Christian Middle East, Christian North Africa and Christian Iberia. The Crusades were invoked as a defensive war.
NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Yes, that would be awesome. But it just doesn’t look possible anymore. For the first time in my life, I’m a bit miffed with Rush Limbaugh. He could have been talking up Fred!, but instead he spent a lot of time talking up that shape shifter Romney.
What would be the point in voting for Romney, anyways? The guy is a total phony.
As a talk radio fan, I hope Obama pulls it out…just based on his voice alone. If Hillary takes it, I’ll have to switch to FM.
She’s like finger nails on a chalkboard.
Dorvillian on January 20, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Ditto
CABE on January 20, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Wow…I came in and found what I thought….open registration re-education.
I’m with ya Mad……One hand on the Bible, one hand on the wallet, one eye on the preacher.
Sorry about the Pac…..looks like Farve (and my Romo)overlooked the brother.
Limerick on January 20, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Mitt/Fred 08′ is my choice
Othrwise Mitt and whomever he choses..
Pam on January 20, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Like the normal muslims dancing in the streets when the towers came down? All talk of the peaceful and tolerant religion called Islam is politically correct BS that puts the safety and security of our nation and its people at risk. Want test their tolerance? Try taking a bible to Saudi Arabia. try having a religious service that is not Islam..oh yeah…ITS ILLEGAL. Tolerance my a$$!
jwp1964 on January 20, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Somebody showed up On Topic. By her a drink, somebody, Pronto!
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Our strongest candidates are Mike Huckabee and Rudy Giuliani!
McShame and Willard Romney are non starters.
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Completely wrong. You’re imposing class-warfare ideas of a hundred years ago and classic multicultural thinking to presume that the only possible reason for the difference is economic.
The terrorists are fairly prosperous. The truly poor Muslims don’t have the time to waste on terrorism. Jihad is a central tenet of Islam. The corresponding central tenet of Christianity is the Great Commission. Islam divides the world into the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity simply says to obey “the powers that be.” Mohammed set himself up at the head of an army, and advanced his cause by conquest. Jesus refused to let even his apostles take up swords to deliver him, and told the one who did to put up his sword.
Jesus stood before Pilate, and told him, “If my kingdom were of this world, then would my followers fight: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” So Christianity absolutely recognizes the right of governments to take up arms and fight, but Christianity itself does not take up arms.
Yes, you can go back to the Catholic church that contradicted all this and allied itself with kings. But this did not spring up for 300-400 years after the beginning of the churches, and was a large part of the cause for the Protestant Reformation.
These differences have nothing to do with who is poor or uneducated.
theregoestheneighborhood on January 20, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Please read the blogging the Koran thread. Robert does a great job teaching people who haven’t a clue why Muslims act like they do. Bin Laden was rich as were many other Muslim terrorist. The vast majority of Christians worldwide are poor. It’s like Jesus said, a servant is not above his master but in the end he will become like his master.
The terrorist are quite well educated… in all the wrong ways.
Mojave Mark on January 20, 2008 at 10:45 PM
I thought we were talking about Fred.
nursemorgan1 on January 20, 2008 at 10:46 PM
LOL…wow…Palestine is better off then I thought then.
Limerick on January 20, 2008 at 10:47 PM
What you meant to say, I’m sure.
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Hey RB, mine is malibu and limonade. :)
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 10:48 PM
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