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Fredhead poll Update: A decision coming Tuesday?

posted at 5:18 pm on January 20, 2008 by Bryan
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Patrick Ruffini is running the poll, which asks two questions.

#1. If Fred drops out of the race, who will you support?

#2. If Fred drops out and endorses McCain, what impact will that have on your vote?

Before you Fredheads yell at me about this poll, consider that Fred declared that South Carolina was his stand state and he finished third there. Also consider that at some point, people have to start dropping out of the GOP race, and Fred and Huckabee are probably the most likely major candidates to drop out at this point. Huckabee because South Carolina gave him a loss on what amounted to home turf, and Fred because the evidence of Fredmentum is, sadly, scant. Reality’s teeth are getting sharper by the day.

If I had my druthers, Fred would stay in, we would go to a brokered convention and Fred would end up on the ticket. But my druthers don’t seem to be accounting for much these days.

Update: Carl Cameron says there may be a decision coming Tuesday.

As we have previously reported Fred Thomspon is in Tennessee visiting his 90 plus year old mother who is recovering from an illness

There will be no decisions today as Thompson mulls whether to carry on his bid for the presidency but he is expected to say something definitive tomorrow, probably first thing in the morning.

While no one in the campaign will be surprised if he withdraws they have no idea which way he will go and they do have some money if he should decide to continue.


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Gold, women and drinking, those are the important things in life.

Tuco on January 20, 2008 at 6:24 PM

But do schoene Frauen like ugly men?

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Go Rudy!

Chakra Hammer on January 20, 2008 at 6:32 PM

He doesn’t have much of a chance in FL either so I don’t know how much longer he will be with us. Maybe through Super Tuesday.

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 6:30 PM

SECOND LOOK AT BNELSON44!!! May you be right!

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 6:33 PM

God I hope Fred doesn’t drop out. We need him. - ilja on January 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM

It is entirely possible that Fred will remain in the race at least through the Florida primary. Unfortunately, politics these days - much like the world of advertising and marketing - is governed by a fickle, feather-brained goddess named “Perception.” And perception, unfortunately, counts for everything these days, as Form routinely tramples Substance underfoot. Even the Republican electorate - by and large intellectually light-years ahead of the morons who call themselves Democrats - are not immune to this poignant flaw in fallen human nature.

I suspect that Mr. Thompson understands this and, perhaps, may even regret overestimating the intelligence and perspicacity of the American electorate. In a sense, he is an admirable, if somewhat sad, anachronism - a throwback to the halcyon days of our Republic when folks paid attention to WHAT a candidate said rather than HOW he said it or what he looked like when he said it.

Those days are gone forever, Ilja. Sorry.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Bailing out the auto industry is being a fiscal conservative? Running the 2nd worse State financially is good credentials? Boy, I’d like what your drinking!

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Romney made his fortune at Bain Capital doing leveraged buyouts of troubled companies. His pander to Michigan worries me, since I’m not sure he wouldn’t try to use some of the same tactics as “CEO” of the federal government.

Big S on January 20, 2008 at 6:35 PM

But do schoene Frauen like ugly men?

They do if you have gold.

Browncoatone on January 20, 2008 at 6:35 PM

In event When Fred drops out

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:18 PM

MB4 on January 20, 2008 at 6:36 PM

MB4 on January 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Hmmm…. very good point actualy.

1. Mitt, as he’s the least objectionable at this point…

2. Huck, McCain, or Rudi will NEVER get my vote… as all three either want to change the Constitution (Huck), ignore it (Rudi and the 2nd), or go around it (McCain Feingold…)… so it really does not matter if, or who, Fred endorses.

Romeo13 on January 20, 2008 at 6:36 PM

1) Prefer Romney, but would choose most electable in general. No way am I do anything to give the Dems the Whitehouse, especially with Congress, 2 Scotus nominees coming down the pipe and Foreign Policy in their hands totally.

jp on January 20, 2008 at 6:37 PM

considering that I already voted for Fred! here in NH, if he endorses McCain after dropping out and McCain becomes the nominee, I will not vote for McCain. I tried to get a friend to not vote for McCain (who was his choice) in NH, and I haven’t heard from his since the primary.

rslancer14 on January 20, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Careful. That British accent is endearing, heh.

I would remind people who think failure is inevitable, GHWB came out of convention with a 13-17 point deficit to Duk. As for Mitt, paleo-con Buchanan thinks he can win, and I think he is right. Moreover, the R candidate should be the banner carrier for ending illegal immigration. Still a topic. Moreover the economy is going to increase in focus. The race isn’t over, though it doesn’t look bright for R’s.

Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 6:38 PM

That is why Huckabee is the most electable! The MSM will villify Huckabee and the ensuing backlash of persecuted Christians and sympathizers will guarantee that Huck defeats the Hildebeast! - HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Put down the moonshine jug, Harry. Good.

Now step away from the banjo. Very good.

Now take ten steps toward the outhouse and go inside. Excellent.

Now remain very still while I padlock the door.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:38 PM

1) turd sandwich
2) no effect

aero on January 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

1) Anybody but Romney. Literally anybody. Paul doesn’t count. The only way I vote Romney in the general is if its Hillary on the other side.

2)The endorsement - or lack thereof - won’t have an impact.

At this point my enthusiasm is gone. We’re going to copy exactly the Democrats’ 2004 play book - and its going to have the same result.

My only remaining hope is that after we make that mistake and have to endure 4-8 years of creeping liberalism, the country remembers what the Carter years were like - and conservatives remember their principles.

Professor Blather on January 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

It is entirely possible that Fred will remain in the race at least through the Florida primary.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM

FL is a winner take all state and Fred has no chance of winning FL. I think if he stays in it will be to try to win one of the Super Tuesday states: AL, AK, AR, CA, CO, CT, DE, GA, IL, MA, MT, MN, MN, MO, NJ, NY-R, ND, OK, TN, UT, AZ, WV

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

#1) Romney
#2) Romney

McLiar choke on his amnesty bile

Mojack420 on January 20, 2008 at 6:40 PM

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:38 PM

lol

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 6:40 PM

In event When Fred drops out - MB4 on January 20, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Apparently you’ve met Schrodinger’s cat.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:40 PM

If not Fred, then probably Romney. McCain ain’t on our side.
But Fred should stay in.

Iblis on January 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Romney claims to be Christian but he is not. He is a mormon…mormons are not Christians!

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM

I am not a Christian? Well thanks for enlightening me. Bigot.

CABE on January 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM

but would choose most electable in general

jp on January 20, 2008 at 6:37 PM

I only had to glance up 4 posts to find somebody copping to the Kerry mistake. It’s funny enough that it’s still worth a chuckle, no matter how sad it is.

We’re going to nominate our Kerry. For the same reasons. And he’ll lose for the same reasons, too.

Principles matter. Core values matter. We know that. But this time around, we’re going to pretend we don’t.

It’s a Greek tragedy in the making.

Professor Blather on January 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM

The above poll assumes you would vote for a rino.

This poll lets you write in Fred;

Write in Fred!◄ Vote!

TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Hmmm…. very good point actualy.

1. Mitt, as he’s the least objectionable at this point…

2. Huck, McCain, or Rudi will NEVER get my vote… as all three either want to change the Constitution (Huck), ignore it (Rudi and the 2nd), or go around it (McCain Feingold…)… so it really does not matter if, or who, Fred endorses.

Romeo13 on January 20, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Mitt’s nearly as bad as Rudy on the 2nd, he’s a fan of Nanny State bans. That’s my biggest hangup with Mitt, until he makes a compromise there and backs off Nanny legislation, I’m not even considering budging, I’ll either be voting Fred or writing in Fred or Zombie Reagan come November.

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM

#1. If Fred drops out of the race, who will you support?

I will vote Libertarian… or write in for Fred. I would consider voting for Rudy or Romney if they could somehow convince me their “gun-grabbin” days were over and they would not support anymore gun bans. Until McCain can admit he was wrong on trying to cram McCain-Kennedy down our throats… I will NEVER, EVER vote for him.

#2. If Fred drops out and endorses McCain, what impact will that have on your vote?

Yes, I sure as hell won’t write in for Fred. (see above vis a vis McCain)

BadBrad on January 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Romney claims to be Christian but he is not. He is a mormon…mormons are not Christians!

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM

The quality of your commenters has declined dramatically, don’t you think?

Professor Blather on January 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

I think if Fred stays in it will be to blunt the conservative vote to effectively allow Mac to secure the nomination.

Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

They do if you have gold.

Browncoatone on January 20, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Some don’t care that you do, yes, Believe it! And some have plenty themselves. They are rare, but do exist.

On the serious topic of economy, value of gold being part of the topic - it’s bitter/sweet - the value of gold is up, while that of the dollar is down.

Indeed, the economy will be a big topic, and if it tanks, the ones who can least fix it, get to ‘lead’.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

It’s 100% for “write in Fred” wohoo!

Write in Fred!◄ Vote!

TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 6:44 PM

I think if Fred stays in it will be to blunt the conservative vote to effectively allow Mac to secure the nomination.

Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

I don’t see that happening with him.

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 6:46 PM

I am not a Christian? Well thanks for enlightening me. Bigot.

CABE on January 20, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Ignore the little prick.

At this point my enthusiasm is gone. We’re going to copy exactly the Democrats’ 2004 play book - and its going to have the same result.

My only remaining hope is that after we make that mistake and have to endure 4-8 years of creeping liberalism, the country remembers what the Carter years were like - and conservatives remember their principles.

Professor Blather on January 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

This is what my gut is telling me, we’re in for a few years of pain.

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 6:46 PM

The quality of your commenters has declined dramatically, don’t you think?

Professor Blather on January 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Professor, you dropping out has brought the ratio into more of an imbalance too :)

Seriously, the registration brought a few good ones, and a few riffraff. Also a few very clever ones.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM

I don’t see that happening with him.

We’ll find out. He is a seasoned politician, he knows his staying in splits both the conservative vote and the evangelical vote. He’s no fool.

Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Apparently you’ve met Schrodinger’s cat.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Schrodinger’s cat thinks that Fred is dead too.

Perceptive cat.

MB4 on January 20, 2008 at 6:49 PM

The quality of your commenters has declined dramatically, don’t you think?

Professor Blather on January 20, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Heh, there will be plenty of time for a cull. Anyway, where’ve you been?

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Careful. That British accent is endearing, heh.

Saw that last night - hence the note (in absence of TD :)

Moreover the economy is going to increase in focus. The race isn’t over, though it doesn’t look bright for R’s.

Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 6:38 PM

As already noted, a bit above. Carville will repeat the “It’s the economy, stupid” a billion times.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 6:49 PM

I see the economy continuing its turn for the worse, and therefore I’d endorse Romney when Fred drops out. I’m as dedicated a Fredhead as anyone, but let’s face reality.

I personally think McCain doesn’t stand a chance against the Dem hit machine if he wins the nomination, and of course Huckabee has no chance. I don’t think Giuliani is Presidential material yet…maybe in 4 years. He needs to spend time in someone else’s administration IMO.

frode on January 20, 2008 at 6:49 PM

I would remind people who think failure is inevitable, GHWB came out of convention with a 13-17 point deficit to Duk.

GHWB wasn’t a Mormon. Wake up, dummy. The year is 2008, not 1988.

As for Mitt, paleo-con Buchanan thinks he can win, and I think he is right.

Buchanan is either insane or senile. Possibly both. I’d take anything he says with a pillar of salt.

The race isn’t over, though it doesn’t look bright for R’s.

Heh. Looks like the schadenfreude is on the other foot now (whatever the hell that means). If (and when - pace, MB4) Fred cries ‘no mas,’ the race is, for all practical purposes, over. You can prattle, whine, moo, whinny and bleat till the whole flock comes home and it won’t chance the course of future events, ghost.

This coming election day you will have two choices for president: Hillary Clinton or the candidate who will lose to her.

Time to start drinking, dude. Heavily.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Professor, you dropping out has brought the ratio into more of an imbalance too :)

Seriously, the registration brought a few good ones, and a few riffraff. Also a few very clever ones.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 6:47 PM

And some of us just changed names.

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

I’m not a Fredhead, but I’ll put in a plug for Rudy based on two points.

1.) If everything goes to Hell with the economy and/or the war between now and November, he’s the best positioned to make the case to the electorate to vote Republican.

2.) If everything goes to Hell with the economy and/or the war after November, he has as much experience and more success dealing with such problems than any of the others.

Rudy: He Probably Won’t F**K Up.

Big S on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Unless the Paultard is the candidate, I am voting GOP, regardless.

William Teach on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Romney made his fortune at Bain Capital doing leveraged buyouts of troubled companies. His pander to Michigan worries me, since I’m not sure he wouldn’t try to use some of the same tactics as “CEO” of the federal government.

Big S on January 20, 2008 at 6:35 PM

I’ve worked in private equity for years and I’ll you….Leveraged buyouts are one of the easiest ways of making money that there is.

You’d have to be about retarded not to be able to make money in leveraged buyouts!

Basically all you do is use levereage to buy a company….fire a whole bunch of people..(which automatically increases your earnings and the value of the company) and eventually take the company public again or sell the company at a higher multiple.

While I don’t see anything wrong with this I am surprised the MSM hasn’t villified him about this(yet).

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

As already noted, a bit above. Carville will repeat the “It’s the economy, stupid” a billion times.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 6:49 PM

He’ll then unhinge his jaw and swallow a nutria whole.

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 6:51 PM

If Fred is not nominated then it is a lock for a dem to take the Whitehouse.

That may actually cure our immigration problems, here is how;

when the interst rate is 23% and
the unemployment rate is 25% and
gas is $8.50 per gallon

The Dem president will start a WPA/ccc work project and we will be clammering to get a job as a posthole diggers down where the fence is being built.

People that once looked the other way will be turning in any illegal they see.

So it may have a bright side.

TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 6:52 PM

That is why Huckabee is the most electable! The MSM will villify Huckabee and the ensuing backlash of persecuted Christians and sympathizers will guarantee that Huck defeats the Hildebeast! - HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Interesting what google will turn up on your name.

http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com/2006/02/bush-nga-bust-causes-bds-epidemic.html

it’s designed to be 2001 alone because that’s when he duped americans by staging the attacks if you disagree, then why can’t he find osama when the nsa knows what each of us is doing all day long?
osama, osama, osama — where are you?
Posted by: haraldhardrada

Great, now Truther’s are fluffing for Huckabee.

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM

If Fred drops out I won’t vote for president. Voting for Mitt eh leftist liar, McCain the “maverick” nut case, or Huckabee the stealth socialist is not much different at all than a vote for Hillary.

In fact, Hillary might face more resistance to her leftist policies than the above mentioned. So, I will not vote for president.

If Hillary wins whatever, if McRomney the Baptist preacher wins…. at least it wasn’t MY fault!

Warner Todd Huston on January 20, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 6:49 PM

I figured:) Yes, I understand that, and it might help Clinton, but I think it hurts Obama.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

I don’t care if you take it with salt of not. He has more experience and more insight then you and has shown himself to be quite perceptive in this particular election.

As far as the other, spare me the ‘dummy’ ritual. I understand that you may think it is necessary for you to try to create credibility by insulting other commenters (anyone who has read a DS comment here is familiar with the style), proverbially peeing on the fire hydrant, but I assure you it fails to impress me. The facts of the matter are all that matter.

Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Romney in all force. If Romney can edge a win in Florida he would finally get some respect from the media and would go on to do well in the remaining states.
He needs more endorsements not for the trail of followers, but for the legitimacy it serves the campaign and the media’s view thereof.
Fred would do well to support Romney, and I hope he takes the crown.
Blessings

byvirtue on January 20, 2008 at 6:57 PM

And some of us just changed names.

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Are you Bad Candy?

aero on January 20, 2008 at 6:57 PM

That is why Huckabee is the most electable! The MSM will villify Huckabee and the ensuing backlash of persecuted Christians and sympathizers will guarantee that Huck defeats the Hildebeast! - HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Interesting what google will turn up on your name.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/2006/09/sbf_wltm_foreig.html

Condi deserves such attention because, like her boss, she’s shown herself to be colossally incompetent. Considering how little productivity American taxpayers get out of her, it’s only natural for any thinking person to wonder where her energies go.
Her boss gets attention too, but he seems sexless, excepting the preference he has for roly-poly males like Dead-eye Dick Cheney and porcine Karl Rove, so the speculation about George W concerns why he hit his head on that coffee table or why he can’t ride a bicycle unless it has training wheels

haraldhardrada

Comment No. 251271
September 13 22:40

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM

aero on January 20, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Was…

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM

I won’t vote if Fred drops out…

if you don’t support the only true conservative in the running.
then you people deserve Hillary…

Kaptain Amerika on January 20, 2008 at 5:38 PM

I am right there with you.

ihasurnominashun on January 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM

Write in Fred 86%
Huckster 0% 0
Juanita Mac 0% 0
Mitt the Rino 14%
Rudolfo G. 0%

Write in Fred!◄ Vote!

TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Why is that not surprising.

Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM

A possible Huckabee FL Strategy

Remember, FL is a winner take all state. Huck may be figuring that the social moderates: Romney/McCain/Rudy will split the social moderate vote. He, with no one like Fred to counter him, will take the social conservative vote and take the state. Not a totally impossible scenario.

A possible Fred Strategy

Stop Huck from taking FL, Huck drops out of the race, and Fred takes the South on Super Tuesday.

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM

And some of us just changed names.

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Yes, but you will always remain a “bad candy” for me :)

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 7:04 PM

If I’m going to get screwed by the POTUS, it shouldn’t be one with my vote.

Lord Nazh on January 20, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Great, now Truther’s are fluffing for Huckabee.

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM

You have the wrong Harald Hardrada

I never spell my name with lower case H’s

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 7:05 PM

More great hits by HaraldHardrada

http://911citizenswatch.org/?p=754

http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict/qaida_horizon_4504.jsp

haraldhardrada | Thu, 2007-04-12 00:00
the united states government is bent on driving the country into the ditch — the official reaction to the events of 11 september 2001 was aimed at the lowest common denominator, which happens to be the largest component of the populace, considering that george w bush’s approval rating was never higher than when he sent american girls & boys into iraq even though anybody with half a brain could tell that hans blix was telling the truth & bush was lying through his teeth — the only reason why many americans have turned against bush is that they’re front-runners who drop out as soon as they think their side is losing — the pentagon has just lengthened the amount of time troops must spend in iraq because nobody dares bring back the draft: as long as americans think it’s other folks’ offspring who will do the fighting, they’re delighted to sit watching the war in their dens, stuffing their faces as they grow fatter & fatter

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Heh. Looks like the schadenfreude realpolitik is on the other correct foot now (whatever the hell that means). If (and when - pace, MB4) Fred cries ‘no mas,’ ‘why the hell did I let you talk me into this Jeri’ the race is, for all practical purposes, over. You can prattle, whine, moo, whinny and bleat wake up and smell the coffee till the whole flock comes home and it won’t chance the course of future events, ghost.

This coming election day you will have two choices for president: Hillary Clinton or the candidate who will lose to her.
Ah, but there are so many things betwixt heaven and earth of which only the poets have dreamed.

Time to start drinking, dude. Heavily.
Wouldn’t be prudent.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

MB4 on January 20, 2008 at 7:07 PM

If I had my druthers, Fred would stay in, we would go to a brokered convention and Fred would end up on the ticket. But my druthers don’t seem to be accounting for much these days.

If Fred isn’t willing to work his a$$ off or able to organize well enough to become the nominee, I’m not so sure I want him to be Pres.

Speakup on January 20, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Also I don’t have a huffington post account.

If you listened to anything I’ve ever said you would know I am not a 9/11 troofer.

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 7:08 PM

1) Romney

2) No. If Romney is good enough for Buchanan, Coulter and Rush, who Fred Thompson endorses isn’t going to mean much especially if he betrays his own principles and pushes for his friend John McCain.

joncoltonis on January 20, 2008 at 7:08 PM

If you listened to anything I’ve ever said you would know I am not a 9/11 troofer.

Truthers, the hallmark of high moral standards.

Were watching you buddy.

Fred!

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 7:09 PM

McCain Looks Strong in Fractured Field - Rich Lowry, New York Post

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 7:09 PM

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 6:55 PM

Oh snap!

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Romney claims to be Christian but he is not. He is a mormon…mormons are not Christians!

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Harald, did you ever get back to me in that other thread about whether or not Huckabee’s sudden and unnatural rise in the polls was the result of a deal he made with the Devil?

FloatingRock on January 20, 2008 at 7:11 PM

And some of us just changed names.

doubleplusundead on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

For about the hundreth time.

mesablue on January 20, 2008 at 7:11 PM

I only had to glance up 4 posts to find somebody copping to the Kerry mistake. It’s funny enough that it’s still worth a chuckle, no matter how sad it is.

We’re going to nominate our Kerry. For the same reasons. And he’ll lose for the same reasons, too.

Principles matter. Core values matter. We know that. But this time around, we’re going to pretend we don’t.

It’s a Greek tragedy in the making.

Professor Blather on January 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM

not the same as Kerry, he was far-left his whole career. the only reason they picked him over Dean was because of his Vietnam status.

Had they chose a moderate candidate, like Gephardt or Lieberman, it would be more like us choosing a McCain.

jp on January 20, 2008 at 7:13 PM

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Ha ha you busted a demacrat mole posing as a republican trying desperatly to alter the hearts and minds of real Conservatives,

Awesome RobertInAustin !!!!!!!!!!!

TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 7:16 PM

The first problem with both polls is the inherent presumption that Fred will drop out and endorse McCain, neither of which there is any evidence for yet. That said:

1) If Fred drops out completely, it gets tough. Romney talks like a conservative, but I don’t know if I believe him. Rudy is conservative on few issues, but I at least think I could believe he would do them. Specifically, judges: I’d believe Rudy can be counted on to nominate good judges before I would believe Romney could be counted on.
2) McCain is not acceptable no matter who endorses him

theregoestheneighborhood on January 20, 2008 at 7:17 PM

That is how I saw it. We need a Rudy/Mitt showdown.

csdeven on January 20, 2008 at 5:31 PM

I’ve been a Rudy supporter all along. Just haven’t had much to crow about lately..lol.

SouthernGent on January 20, 2008 at 7:18 PM

MB4 on January 20, 2008 at 7:07 PM

LOL! Nicely done. Prudent or not, I’ll drink to that!

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Ha ha you busted a demacrat mole posing as a republican trying desperatly to alter the hearts and minds of real Conservatives,

Awesome RobertInAustin !!!!!!!!!!!

TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 7:16 PM

I am not even sure this clown lives in the US.

Hopefully this will be at least a little bit of an atonement for my “First Post” stuff.

Fred!

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Time to start drinking, dude. Heavily.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Be careful what you drink.

Which of us poets hath not adulterated his wine? Many a poisonous hotchpotch hath evolved in our cellars: many an indescribable thing hath there been done.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM

LOL! Nicely done. Prudent or not, I’ll drink to that!

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Heh, Nemo, see my comment of January 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM, above.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM

A little digging on Robertinaustin reveals a little bit about his political views and sexuality

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

RobertInAustin | Tue, 2007-02-18 01:04

“I have been a long time Hillary Clinton supporter. With every day that passes I am leaning more and more towards Obama. I still believe in the Clinton method (bring back some taxes on the rich, bring back international consensus building, bring back full health care), but we need to do it with someone that is an expert at avoiding internal conflict - and Obama seems to be the guy. Obama is also very strong on gay rights(and he’s much more sexy than Bill). Texas Gays for Obama 08′!” RobertInAustin.

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Boy, I must be over the target I am sure am catching flack.

Fred!

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 7:24 PM

LOL! Nicely done.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 7:19 PM

And thus spake MB4, and grew like a fungus on Nemo.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 7:24 PM

I don’t care if you take it with salt of not. He (Buchanan)has more experience and more insight then you and has shown himself to be quite perceptive in this particular election.

He’s hardly infallible and dead wrong on a great many other issues. Buchanan is damaged goods.

As far as the other, spare me the ‘dummy’ ritual. I understand that you may think it is necessary for you to try to create credibility by insulting other commenters (anyone who has read a DS comment here is familiar with the style), proverbially peeing on the fire hydrant, but I assure you it fails to impress me. The facts of the matter are all that matter.

Actually, it was written in a fit of pique, ghost, and for that I offer my sincere apology for violating Reagan’s Eleventh.

Having said so, I must point out that Romney has an uphill battle after the nomination (hell, even BEFORE the nomination). It wouldn’t surprise me if Huck does everything he can to derail Mitt even after Chef Squirrel-ar-dee has left the building.

Can we agree upon that?

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 7:27 PM

If you are going to link to me, at LEAST link to this one, I don’t like guy’s.

http://profile.passion.com/p/member.cgi?dcb=passion&mid=5583475_18218

Fred!

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 7:28 PM

1). Romney
2). No way in hell will I vote for McPain.

Mooseman on January 20, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Which of us poets hath not adulterated his wine? Many a poisonous hotchpotch hath evolved in our cellars: many an indescribable thing hath there been done. - Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 7:21 PM

This poet’s wine comes straight out of the gallon jug, as pure as the day Carlo Rossi mass-produced it.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 7:32 PM

A possible Fred Strategy
Stop Huck from taking FL, Huck drops out of the race, and Fred takes the South on Super Tuesday.

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 7:03 PM

I was hoping for something similar, only in my dream scenario the various evangelical leaders that have been supporting Huckabee collectively come to their senses and realize that Huckabee can’t possibly win the nomination, much less the general, and ask Huckabee to drop out in the interest of improving the chances of their second choice.

Otherwise they’ll end up with nothing.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2008 at 7:32 PM

Oh for heaven sake.

I hearby announce my personal commitment to Fred Dalton Thompson; it’s called

DEFY THE SCOFFERS

Here’s how it going to work. For every time I’m on some thread here at Hot Air and I see somebody post some ridiculous, mocking comment about Fred!, I’m sending $10 to his campaign in your honor. I’m putting my money where my mouth is. FredSkeptics and FredHead Bashers, bring it on. Until Fred tells me it’s over, I have a country to look out for and a President to elect.

RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM

And thus spake MB4, and grew like a fungus on Nemo. - Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Ummmmm…not quite, enchilada. I do have a sense of humor, after all, and can appreciate a snarky bon mot when I see one. The only fungus that grows on me is the kind cured by a healthy dose of Desenex.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Romney claims to be Christian but he is not. He is a mormon…mormons are not Christians!

HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Are you aware of the name of the church your so ill informed about? Let me help you out with that, it is:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Sints

oldernslower on January 20, 2008 at 7:36 PM

RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Amen

Fred!

RobertInAustin on January 20, 2008 at 7:37 PM

I was hoping for something similar, only in my dream scenario the various evangelical leaders that have been supporting Huckabee collectively come to their senses and realize that Huckabee can’t possibly win the nomination, much less the general, and ask Huckabee to drop out in the interest of improving the chances of their second choice.

Otherwise they’ll end up with nothing.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2008 at 7:32 PM

Actually, I think that a substantial Huck loss, say Fred in 2nd place and Fred in 3rd was Fred’s strategy in SC. That would have made Fred the Sounthern savior. But that didn’t happen. I think what is going on now is a long hard look at what it would take to get Huck to drop out of the race and if Fred can afford to wait until that happens. The fact that they took down the fundraising truck at http://www.fred08.com is not a good sign.

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Fred Huck in 3rd

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 7:37 PM

My only remaining hope is that after we make that mistake and have to endure 4-8 years of creeping liberalism, the country remembers what the Carter years were like - and conservatives remember their principles.

Professor Blather on January 20, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Jaibones on January 20, 2008 at 7:38 PM

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 7:27 PM

I’m not clear how you would refer to it as a fit when that has been your course in every communication we’ve had so far. But perhaps it was just fits.

Buchanan is damaged goods because he left the party, so he will always be persona non grata, but that doesn’t affect the value of his insights. His track record makes his opinion of worth consideration. In reference to Romney, he said that Romney was improving as a campaigner and at the rate of his improvement, he said he would be a strong general candidate. That seems very consistent with what has been seen, and I believe him to be correct.

Sure Mitt has an uphill battle. So does everyone else. I wasn’t even referring to him specifically in the statement which you quoted. McCain polls as well as any of them now, but again the polls will not hold over the course of the year, especially without an incumbent in the race that can affect the daily conversation.

Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 7:39 PM

RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Oh dear. I haven’t been a resident of these parts for long, RB, and yet I can confidently assure you that before midnite tonight you will be broke and Jeri will have a new bracelet.

Or maybe not. Chances are The Fred will be mighty PO’ed with her for having Lady Macbethed him into this mess.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Fred was never really in, so when he is escorted back to Lackluster-campaignville, I’ll work for whoever can defeat the scoialistic sludge of the current Dems.

Huckster and McVain will implode, so the choice will be Romney or Rudy.

Either would be better than the Defeatocrats.

Who Fred then endorses is mostly irrelevant, because he hasn’t energized enough people to matter.

His wife is gorgeous.

He can take new movie roles and enjoy his homelife.

And consider himself a lucky, lucky man.

The Global Jihad will have to be defeated without him.

I see no sign that he particularly cares.

Not even about the threat to his children.

Otherwise he would have been breathing fire and defending the endangered Civilization of the West with ever fibre of his being since last April.

profitsbeard on January 20, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Huh — where’d my comment go?

Jaibones on January 20, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Rudy: He Probably Won’t F**K Up.

Big S on January 20, 2008 at 6:50 PM

I won’t vote for him, but I think that is a scarily accurate slogan.

SimplyKimberly on January 20, 2008 at 7:40 PM

FloatingRock on January 20, 2008 at 7:32 PM

As long as Huck is substantially winning Evangelicals, he will probably stay in the race, at least through Super Tuesday in the hope of getting some Bible Belt states. McCain is not good for Huck since he takes some of his voters from him. Huck voters will tend not to vote for Mitt because he is LDS and in their eyes, pro-choice. Rudy is, in their eyes, pro-choice too. So the only people who whould draw social conservative votes from Huck voters are McCain and Fred. With Fred gone, the only place they will go is McCain.

bnelson44 on January 20, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Oh for heaven sake.

I hearby announce my personal commitment to Fred Dalton Thompson; it’s called

DEFY THE SCOFFERS

Here’s how it going to work. For every time I’m on some thread here at Hot Air and I see somebody post some ridiculous, mocking comment about Fred!, I’m sending $10 to his campaign in your honor. I’m putting my money where my mouth is. FredSkeptics and FredHead Bashers, bring it on. Until Fred tells me it’s over, I have a country to look out for and a President to elect.

RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Right on Brother!

We just started.

TheSitRep on January 20, 2008 at 7:42 PM

I do have a sense of humor, after all, and can appreciate a snarky bon mot when I see one. The only fungus that grows on me is the kind cured by a healthy dose of Desenex.

NemoParticularis on January 20, 2008 at 7:35 PM

It wouldn’t be fair to not let you in on this. The one “growing on someone like a fungus” is MB4. Now you’re initiated into a special group. You may choose to exit at your free choice.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 7:44 PM

RushBaby and TheSitRep, your loyalty is admireable, but don’t get hurt.

Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 7:48 PM

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