Fredhead poll Update: A decision coming Tuesday?
posted at 5:18 pm on January 20, 2008 by Bryan
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Patrick Ruffini is running the poll, which asks two questions.
#1. If Fred drops out of the race, who will you support?
#2. If Fred drops out and endorses McCain, what impact will that have on your vote?
Before you Fredheads yell at me about this poll, consider that Fred declared that South Carolina was his stand state and he finished third there. Also consider that at some point, people have to start dropping out of the GOP race, and Fred and Huckabee are probably the most likely major candidates to drop out at this point. Huckabee because South Carolina gave him a loss on what amounted to home turf, and Fred because the evidence of Fredmentum is, sadly, scant. Reality’s teeth are getting sharper by the day.
If I had my druthers, Fred would stay in, we would go to a brokered convention and Fred would end up on the ticket. But my druthers don’t seem to be accounting for much these days.
Update: Carl Cameron says there may be a decision coming Tuesday.
As we have previously reported Fred Thomspon is in Tennessee visiting his 90 plus year old mother who is recovering from an illness
There will be no decisions today as Thompson mulls whether to carry on his bid for the presidency but he is expected to say something definitive tomorrow, probably first thing in the morning.
While no one in the campaign will be surprised if he withdraws they have no idea which way he will go and they do have some money if he should decide to continue.
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. . .because the conversation was becoming civil?
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:53 AM
You are. Your actions pick the worse of the two socialists. Yeah, that’s a strong position. This is why I suspect someone suggested you go over to KOS.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM
It sounds to me like you should have been more clear on the time frame your comment was referring to.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Acknowledged. I just didn’t notice an official “Fest” announcement till then.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Probably because they have been so adamant about Fredmania to the exclusion of all else, it will be difficult to “face” their fellow commenters without at least acknowledging they had it wrong.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 11:56 AM
r2b is an unmitigated gibot. She has been since her first comments on Mitt Romney and has done nothing to prove otherwise.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:59 AM
New information on Fred Thompson….Fox News..
Mcguyver on January 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Fred you were a great candidate with a poorly run campaign. Please do not endorse McCain.
CABE on January 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM
I like the guy, but if he does this he will lose ALL of the respect I had for him.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Yeah. Two words: “F*** Fred.” Despite what a lot of people, and my feeling is you are one of them, think of Fredheads, we do not consider Fred flawless. That goes for you too:
We conceded his flaws a while ago, and considered them acceptable compared to the flaws of the other candidates. Typically, that’s how a lot of people choose candidates, in case you hadn’t heard.
If Fred lets his friendship with McCain overcome his belief in what is best for the country, then screw him. However, I don’t think he will.
If you’re going to respond to a rant, respond with an actual argument, and not childish insults. Try that one on for size.
…by electing another socialist?
Let me give you an example: In the midwest, we had a problem with a certain breed of aphid attacking crops. In response, state DNRs imported Asian Lady Beetles to control them. In response? The aphids became controllable, and the Asian lady Beetle population exploded. Now, in the summer, buildings are covered in the little bastards. They’re particularly resistant to pesticides. When you step on them, they smell awful. Imagine what happens when you have hundreds of dead ones in a stairwell. Oh, and they bite. Not bite exactly, but pinch.
We got rid of one problem with another problem, and the latter became an even bigger problem.
That is what will happen if you try to defeat obvious socialism with latent socialism. People will accept the latent socialism, and the next succession of Republican candidates will consider that latent socialism the moderate stance.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM
No, I’m not picking either. I refuse to vote. You’ll vote for the lesser of two socialists, and so will windandsea.
Your vote is your support. I refuse to cast any support to any socialist candidate, period.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Perhaps…McCAin is old….things happen.
I want FRED. Our nation NEEDS teh Fred!!
ihasurnominashun on January 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Sadly, I think you are full of crap and very likely a troll.
Here’s a Family Research Council straw vote
Romney: 1,595
Huckabee: 1,565
Paul: 865
Thompson: 564
Sam Brownback, who has quit the race: 297
Duncan Hunter: 140
Tom Tancredo: 133
Giuliani: 107
John McCain: 81
hmmm. doesn’t look like it’s Romney that has a problem with eveangelicals now does it? Mitt is currently splitting that vote mainly with the Huckster, once Huck is out they got nowhere else to go. Of course they could follow your lead and vote for Hillary
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM
To me this whole election is about THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE.
If a Dem gets into office, say good-bye to talk radio and internet free speech.
All of you who will NOT vote if YOUR candidate doesn’t win, imagine life without Levin, Rush, Laura, etc, etc. and no Free Republic, Lucianne, Hot Air because they WILL control everything.
Think twice about pouting your way through the election. I’m not happy about any of it either but thank God, we have places to go to vent. … now anyway.
stenwin77 on January 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Nope. I like Fred, but McCain likes being a “maverick” and takes real offense to people opposing his positions. He wouldn’t listen for a damn minute.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
To deny the campaign failing would be grossly wrong. To acknowledge being wrong for supporting his/her candidate would be grossly wrong as well. Unless that candidate does some egregious.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
-teary eyed-
…And I’m proud to be an American!! Where at least I know I’m free!! And I won’t forget those lady bugs that died…
CABE on January 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
That is hyperbolic BS. We do not have a socialist except in HuckaGibot. They all have some weaknesses as conservatives, but they all have a few very strong conservative credentials.
None, I repeat, NONE of the dems have one single shred of conservative principles. So any behavior on your part that helps the dems is a vote for the worst possible move towards socialism.
MC sez: Spite, meet my nose.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Which of the Republican candidates do you see as socialist? To me, its Huckabee and McCain.
Fred Thompson is not in Florida. He is probably going to drop out tommorow morning. Carl Cameron says this is good for McCain, Huckabee, and Guliani. I think he is a little messed up. I couldn’t see the FredHeads going to McCain or Huck, but I could see a few going to Rudy. I still think Mitt would be the big winner if Fred drops out.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM
And you don’t think CFR McCain won’t? As I recall, he was a little pissed that Rush supported Bush over McCain back in 2000. Don’t think he isn’t interested in settling old scores.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Fine. Next time I’ll just emulate you and call him an arrogant, smug prick. I’m leaving out the “elitist” part because it doesn’t fit.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM
And McCain.
Great logic. You either have to vote for a socialist republican, vote for a dem and be labeled a socialist, or not vote at all and be labeled a socialist.
Your attitude is contemptible.
You’ve said that 20 or 30 times and I still don’t know what the hell you’re trying to say.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Hm. Justify your behavior by what someone else did.
Big surprise. Buh bye.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:12 PM
If that is what you saw in those comments, then you are the one who is delusional. That “party” last night was just to clear out the negativity that had been going on up to that point. I’ve not said ANYONE is stupid for who they choose. I frankly don’t give a rat’s a$$ who you vote for. I happen to like Fred, and until he drops out, I will stay with him. I am not a mind-numbed zealot, and it is unbelieveable that you and others like you keep making that assertion.
Stop whining about our “lovefests”, Jealous. And stop trying to forced us to change our minds by being insulting.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM
So do I. I don’t think Rudy or Mitt can take it. If they do, I’ll give more consideration. At this point, I think McCain has a lock.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM
1) Probably Romney
2) Nope.
shooter on January 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM
And you don’t think CFR McCain won’t? As I recall, he was a little pissed that Rush supported Bush over McCain back in 2000. Don’t think he isn’t interested in settling old scores.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM
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Oh, I totally agree. That is one thing we NEED to know about all of the Repub candidates at this point. I’ve heard people who say they will NEVER vote for Romney or Huck-ster… But I don’t think either one of them will support the Fairness crap.
If that is not correct, please let everyone know. Absolutely -McCain would not be on OUR side when the Fairness Doctrine surfaces again.
I’m just saying that this is one of those “silent” issues that we need to be informed about because it WILL be on some candidates’ top agendas if they get to the White House.
stenwin77 on January 21, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Florida is the make or break State. If McCain wins Florida he wins the nomination. If Mitt wins Florida he wins the nomination.
♫♥ Romney! ♫♥
CABE on January 21, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Anymore kook fringe theories? If I were Fred Thompson I’d be mortified to know who his supporters are here at H.A.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Had it wrong as in backing the candidate the majority didn’t support.
Instead we get the blame being spread from “Allahpundit bias to idiots who don’t know better to socialists”.
How refreshing it would be to hear “I liked Fred but he did a lousy job campaigning and just didn’t catch on as I hoped. Oh well, as Fred said the country is what is most important so let’s fight the good fight for the party nominee”
But I’m not holding my breath….
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Same thing applies to Huckster. Remember his little tiff with Rush? Plus, considering his penchant for wanting the Constitution amended several times, I think he’s a perfect candidate for “Fairness”.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:17 PM
There are supporters of other candidates that you could say the same thing about,to the exclusion of all else, but just not as many. Fred! represents the views of the majority of Hotair readers which are obviously very conservative. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting a conservative like Fred Thompson to get the nomination. I’m not sure any republican should be bashing other conservatives because they like Fred. I plan to support the Republican nominee in the general election. Who do you support Bradky?
myamphibian on January 21, 2008 at 12:17 PM
The fact that you saw negativity in people talking about things going on at a party, shows just how bitter you are. Get over yourself.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Do I hear buzzing? LMAO
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Lol. I’m pointing out your hypocrisy!
As I already noted, I was responding to r2b’s rant where he had the gall to talk about “scary people”.
I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: You and r2b are two peas in a pod.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Damn - two 1000 comment FRED! pieces???
Thats gotta count for something. What do we know that the country doesn’t? Or is the media really REALLY hiding and squandering FRED!’s chances here.
We can’t be that far off from the rest of the conservatives.
shooter on January 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Ah, so you just dismiss all that you don’t agree with as “kook fringe”?
Wikipedia, admittedly, but not far off the mark.
If all you’re going to do is call people who disagree with you kooks, maybe you should join Kos.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM
there are only a few of the Madcon ilk, they just post a lot as though they speak for the Fredheads. I have seen hundreds of Fredheads post that if Fred drops out, they can support Romney or Rudy
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM
It is no secret that I am pulling for Rudy.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Cameron is a McCain shill. I don’t believe a word he says. Not to mention he doesn’t really say anything definitive. As is his style, Thompson will probably make no promises if and when he makes an announcement.
fourstringfuror on January 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I hear it. Sounds like you posting more non-sequiters as opposed to contributions to the discussion. Try Digg. You’ll fit in more there.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Hm. First you ask why I don’t align with r2b, then you say we’re the same.
Nice.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:21 PM
I think your responses are illustrating far more bitterness on your part than mine.
bzzzzzzzz
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Buddy, you don’t even know what my ilk is if you think I’m not considering Romney.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM
She’s not the one slinging generalizations at a whole group of people.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Fred is still running, foks! All you need to do is his offices and they will let you know that he is still in the race. He just need to go to TN to be with his mother.
ConservativePartyNow on January 21, 2008 at 12:24 PM
misspelled latin phrases are the last gasps of a failing argument.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Could you be upset at the fact that Rudy isnt getting all the buzz here at Hotair? I think many of the adamant Fred supporters used to support Rudy. I know i’m one. I still like Rudy and maybe Fred will pull him a little more to the right. Don’t crap where you eat, Rudy is a good man and so is Fred. The same hype may be coming Rudy’s way next and the same thing could happen.
myamphibian on January 21, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Fred should stay in through Feb 5th, saying he’ll let the judgement of a bigger number of voters, not pundits and polls, tell him when to get off the train. Which probably will be Feb. 6th, but at least then it’s enough GOP voters having a say, rather than just open primary states.
michaelo on January 21, 2008 at 12:25 PM
No . . . You are!! (wow! it’s easy to post like a bradky shrill)
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 12:25 PM
No, attacking someone’s spelling/grammar is the last gasp of a troll way out of his league.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:25 PM
The difference is that I don’t take it personal nor do I demand others bow to my choice.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:26 PM
70% of the comments on this thread are not even Fred-related.
CABE on January 21, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Could have fooled me.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:27 PM
You are very poor at taking evidence and reaching conclusions. I do not call reasonable people I disagree with members of the “Kook Fringe”. I do call kooks who say kooky things about McCain wanting to get rid of the Fairness Doctrine members of the kook fringe.
And to think that you took offense awhile back because I said that many Fred Heads were loons.
As for you Wiki quote - what is your point, if you have one?
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Thanks, Mad. Nope..just the same a$$holes who seem to think a group of people having a nice time is a reason to comdemn them as Moonies.
I bet Bradky waited all night to get me with that “buzz” remark. Too bad he can’t be original in his insults.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Sadly, the post count is due largely to Fredhead-hating trolls, and our ignorance in choosing to indulge them.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I invite you to show where I have demanded people accept Rudy.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Here’s a Fred-related comment.
He’s still in it.
So can we stop with the histrionics?
Tennman on January 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Was that a typo, or do you not read? I was saying that McCain WOULD sign the Fairness Doctrine, due to his animosity with Rush over the 2000 election. Christ, at least pay attention if you’re going to call me a kook over something I say.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
(watch this get some more Fredhate frothing)
Don’t forget the FredFest!
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 12:32 PM
You’ve sure as hell demanded people not vote for other candidates.
Don’t I wish. However, it seems like there’s a 527 set up just to make sure an hour doesn’t go by without a “Fred’s dead!” post.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Give it up TD. Took less than five minutes to see you resort to cursing and name calling. Color me unimpressed….
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Let me make myself clear ONCE again. I will support the man that is closest to my principles until that man is no longer an option. I will give a second look at Mitt or Rudy if it is necessary. I will not vote for McCain or Huckabee…EVEN if McCain gets Fred as VP. That move will mean nothing to me, except Fred has sold out to his friendship with McCain. I will be disappointed, but not fooled.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM
LOL now THAT is an example of projection!
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I was hoping that as well but either SC has gone way left, or there aren’t as many conservatives as we thought. I cannot believe McAmnesty won in SC! Obviously they don’t really have an illegal problem…
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Not at all. One of us has slandered an entire group of supporters of a candidate. Hint: Not me.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:34 PM
News flash! News Flash!
Fred Thompson declares “Chuck Norris is too old to be Chuck Norris.”
Tennman on January 21, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Just you, jerk. Everyone gets treated with respect, because they earn it.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Says the guy who equates Fredheads with moonies…
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM
I think everyone is forgetting something kind of important…
We have not seen a Republican primary yet,
so far everything that has happened has pretty much followed the MSMs narrative. Starting with Florida (not the best test for conservatives), we will begin to see what Republicans are thinking, and I don’t believe Mullahbee and McVain will be doing very well from here on out.
ChrisM on January 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM
I tend to agree with you.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Wow. just WOW! If that’s not rich . . .
are you serious?
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
I hope your right.
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Not in New Hampshire for the Dems. Ultimately, though, the MSM is so entrenched in the public consciousness that you can’t discount them.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
How about standing up for your choice instead of trying to break others? It really isnt our fault that the media has to have 10 second soundbytes. Break it down for us Rudy style.
myamphibian on January 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Also the cursing and the name-calling were one single word. Big powerful word…wasn’t it. LOL.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Heh, the number of posters that typically applies to…
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM
this is good, I get confused when you start advocating for a dem win and socialism
and you are wrong about the evangelicals, If Huck drops out Romney will have the lion’s share of the Christian vote. If you want to talk about someone with an evangelical problem, that would be Rudy.
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Do not vote for a gun grabbing, sanctuary city mayor!
Super Thompson Tuesday!
Fred!
infidel on January 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Exactly. Not that something climatic may happen, but it seems that we put our ducks in states that have diminished delegate representation.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 12:40 PM
You are beginning to sound kind of
shrillary, er bitter.Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Ultimately, though, the MSM is so entrenched in the public consciousness that you can’t discount them.
That’s sooo scary! I wish the stupid MSM would just REPOT the news, not try to influence it. I think they just sit around trying to think up ways they can influnce public opinion! Unfortunately, the people fall for this BS! People don’t think for themselves anymore…
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Nose getting long much?
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Me? Bitter? That’s a laugh. 98% of my posts are positive and friendly. You’re delusional AND unpleasant.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM
REPOT (oops…REPORT)
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Aha. If you make a mistake it’s someone else’s fault! You are so entertaining, particularly when you obsess over the difference based on a delusion about whether McCain “wants” to do something versus whether he “would” do something.
It’s just a supposition which is not based on reality, MadisonC, so you are all the more kooky if you think you can predict the future with that much certainty.
By the way, what league do trolls belong to anyway? I thought they sat alone under bridges waiting for fat little Billy Goats to come along.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Hey now, let’s relax. Here, have another drink. I’ve still got some of the Bald Tennessean sitting around, somewhere. :)
fourstringfuror on January 21, 2008 at 12:44 PM
See, you’re confused on my stance. My stance is that if it comes down to McCain, a socialist, on the republican ticket, I won’t vote. Why? Because I’m not voting for a socialist, regardless of his party affiliation. And in such a matchup, I think the Dems would be a shoo-in. Therefore, I see it as four years of inevitable socialism. I’m not wanting it, I’m seeing it as unavoidable. However, I would rather see socialism remain the winning staple of the Dhimmicrats, and not the Republicans. Then, next time around, we won’t have to worry about a socialist like McCain being considered. The American populace will be tired of no personal responsibility, and will call for a leader who advocates such.
Again, I’m not wanting socialism. I’m seeing it as an inevitable. And when the case comes to it, I’d rather see the Dems get it. However, no force in hell could make me vote for a Democrat unless the ticket read Zell Miller.
Didn’t they just take a poll which said that 57% of Christians wouldn’t vote for a Mormon? Other posters who have been evangelicals echoed that sentiment. I like Mitt, but I think his faith would hurt him too much.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Not to be rude, BD, but you can tell with some amount of certainty what a person will do, based on his/her past actions. You can’t deny that McCain has done many things against his party. So, to say that you have no idea what he will do, is a little naive. No offense.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM
These days they wait for Fredheads to come along, but then the trolls just pass gas and go back under.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Are you serious? If you want to get technical, I never blamed him for my mistake, I indicated it was entirely irrelevant to to the conversation. Much like 99% of what you post.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Thanks, fsf. I forgot to follow my own teaching there for a sec.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:46 PM
The kind of unhealthy arguments that are going on in this thread are what will lose the Republican nomination to Huck or McCain. I have no problem with healthy debate, but this has gone too far. We shouldn’t be throwing around the word “troll”. This is only to be applied to PaulNut spammers.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Oh, and good job not acknowledging your own error in completely misstating what I said, you hypocrite. I think I’ll start calling you Captain Irony.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM
No, malan89, it refers to folks that “troll” a site looking to start fights. Fredfolk trolls, look for a certain set of commenters, and begin snarking/insulting those people to get them riled.
tickleddragon on January 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM
John LeBoutillier writes in NewsMax today:
Kinda makes me sad if true.
It would explain Fred not going whole hog for the top nomination while keeping his campaign active to get face-time to establish himself as the non-McCain style conservative needed to make McCain palatable to conservatives in a brokered convention
Fred is attractive but not married to McCain
entagor on January 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM
When we’re compared to PaulNuts just because we support Fred Thompson, it’s a little hard to avoid.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Looks like the devotees are back in force “Captain Irony”. guess I’ll see you in another thread sometime.
Best regards from “Captain Troll”
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 12:49 PM
“The student must shall all good things with the master.”
fourstringfuror on January 21, 2008 at 12:50 PM
I don’t think you’re right in this case. I only think a small, small percentage of uneducated evangelicals wouldn’t vote for somebody because he is a Mormon. If an institution like Bob Jones University would endorse the guy, I don’t see this being a problem.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 12:50 PM
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