Fredhead poll Update: A decision coming Tuesday?
posted at 5:18 pm on January 20, 2008 by Bryan
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Patrick Ruffini is running the poll, which asks two questions.
#1. If Fred drops out of the race, who will you support?
#2. If Fred drops out and endorses McCain, what impact will that have on your vote?
Before you Fredheads yell at me about this poll, consider that Fred declared that South Carolina was his stand state and he finished third there. Also consider that at some point, people have to start dropping out of the GOP race, and Fred and Huckabee are probably the most likely major candidates to drop out at this point. Huckabee because South Carolina gave him a loss on what amounted to home turf, and Fred because the evidence of Fredmentum is, sadly, scant. Reality’s teeth are getting sharper by the day.
If I had my druthers, Fred would stay in, we would go to a brokered convention and Fred would end up on the ticket. But my druthers don’t seem to be accounting for much these days.
Update: Carl Cameron says there may be a decision coming Tuesday.
As we have previously reported Fred Thomspon is in Tennessee visiting his 90 plus year old mother who is recovering from an illness
There will be no decisions today as Thompson mulls whether to carry on his bid for the presidency but he is expected to say something definitive tomorrow, probably first thing in the morning.
While no one in the campaign will be surprised if he withdraws they have no idea which way he will go and they do have some money if he should decide to continue.
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Thank you for that link.
Foamy’s philosophy may just save the world!
Fred/Foamy08
TheSitRep on January 21, 2008 at 6:32 AM
No vote for McNumbnuts here. Ever.
dogsoldier on January 21, 2008 at 6:34 AM
If Fred drops and endorses McCain,
I am writing in Foamy
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TheSitRep on January 21, 2008 at 6:36 AM
If Fred endorses McShamnesty,
I am writing in Foamy
TheSitRep on January 21, 2008 at 6:38 AM
Here is a 3rd poll that gives you a more palatable option.
Write in Fred!◄ Vote!
TheSitRep on January 21, 2008 at 6:41 AM
hahaha!!
On Fox they are reporting that Chuck Norris says McGeriatric is too old for to be POTUS because president years are like dog years.
Bwahahahaha!!!
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 6:45 AM
Today is Blue Monday.
Failed New Years resolutions, weather, and Christmas bills are just part of it. We’ll have to add the Fredheads along Packer and Chargers fans to the list of the bummed out.
Fortunately, today is also National Hugging day.
**Hugs to all**
:-)
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 7:15 AM
As a conservative, if McCain or Huckabee are my choices, I have nothing to vote for. I can NEVER vote for them. It’s a lose/lose kind of thing. If any one of them is the nominee, the Republicans can’t win the Presidency. Then we have the Dems to do what they please. And it won’t be good for the constitution or the country. I switched to the Republican party because of Fred’s federalist ideas. No one else is thinking of that. Those ideas are the only ones that can save our country from creeping socialism. The far left and the far right have taken over this country. Not a good thing.
Jimmybob on January 21, 2008 at 7:29 AM
Medved’s an orthodox Jew. I think this may help explain his affinity/respect for an overtly religious candidate, and also his willingness to overlook certain “difficulties” with said candidate.
JiangxiDad on January 21, 2008 at 8:05 AM
If McCain, Rudy, or Mitt end up with the nomination, say goodbye to your guns.
fossten on January 21, 2008 at 8:22 AM
From my cold dead hands!
TheSitRep on January 21, 2008 at 8:25 AM
I’m a Fredhead, I’ve been for Fred long before his official announcement. I had hoped he would do well, 1st or close 2nd in S.C. I think Fred is going nowhere. I hate to admit it. I will have to support another candidate. I liked Duncan Hunter as well, he has already pulled out. The majority of people in this country don’t really want a conservative, not a real conservative as President.
2theright on January 21, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Hey, you know the religion is a little kooky, and it scares me that they follow a man who speaks to God and then tells the people what God told him to do, and their founder of the church was a little rascal that took child brides, multiple marriages (even to members wives that were married already), believes in “tribes” that never existed, and battles never fought, and languages never spoken, but HEY, Mitts a nice guy, strong family and all, great hair,
funny,engaging,down to earth, smart guy (except for that kooky religion stuff) that is well connected, and he is aconservative, kind of conservative…Oh, what the Hell, looks like McCain…right2bright on January 21, 2008 at 8:43 AM
Give it a rest, freaky freak.
If anyone scares me, it’s you and your inane, creepy, and obsessive mutterings.
I don’t know how many times you have to be reminded of this very simple fact, but here goes:
Joseph Smith is not on the ballot.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 8:55 AM
We really don’t know for sure what any of these people will do as president. But I don’t see Rudy as any threat to my 2nd amendment rights. I also know Rudy hates abortion, but these are matters of state law. Rudy is adamant about appointing strict constructionists to the courts, I give him credit for that. I really like Fred, but as far as political strategy, Rudy may look like a genius soon. Some call it sandbagging. The media spotlight is ready for a new target. His campaign is going to be like something “new”. Giuliani/Thompson08?
myamphibian on January 21, 2008 at 8:59 AM
A better question. Would Fredheads support a McCain/Thompson ticket?
Jay on January 21, 2008 at 9:03 AM
1. Mitt
2. No Impact
Re: The SitRep on January 21, 2008 at 8:25 a.m.
I hear you regarding Romney and guns. However, I cannot bring myself to vote “Huck,” in spite of me being a staunch defender of 2A. All the others stink on 2A. Bottom line is truly “cold dead hands” and no one will take my guns. Given that bottom line, I’ll put a clothespin on my nose and pull the lever for Mitt.
second digit on January 21, 2008 at 9:08 AM
To answer your question from the headline that fell off, we use Trimble R8 with VRS. Works great. Is that your company’s website?
txsurveyor on January 21, 2008 at 9:13 AM
Jay, that IS the big question, isn’t it?
I have to admit I would consider it. I would feel even better about it if McCain (which he won’t do, I don’t think) assured voters he would adopt Fred’s immigration plan.
Fred shouldn’t endorse McCain, because McCain is against so many conservative principles. I hope he doesn’t. I hope he goes against what everyone expects him to do and endorses Mitt if/when he drops out.
I just can’t believe that after so much clamoring in the Republican party for a true conservative that goes against the grain, no one is going for such a guy. I can’t believe in a conservative state like SC, the two top vote getters were McCain and the Huckster!
Darksean on January 21, 2008 at 9:14 AM
From Robert Novak’s column:
“That kind of answer by McCain has annoyed Republican grandees for years, but it also is what sets him apart from other politicians. It brought to South Carolina last week such endorsers as Sen. Tom Coburn, who maddens his Republican colleagues with his campaign against pork, and Sen. Joe Lieberman, who defied the Democratic Party’s orthodoxy on Iraq. Even the GOP elders seem ready to grit their teeth and go along with McCain.”
Emphasis mine
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 9:18 AM
Yes it is, pardon the gratuitous plug.
TheSitRep on January 21, 2008 at 9:20 AM
Um, no.
I’ve been too depressed to even look at HotAir since Saturday, so I haven’t taken the opportunity to read the 9+ pages of comments, so if I make no new observations please forgive.
A few random observations.
Did Bush/Cheney destroy the party? Bush lurched ever more to the left the longer he was in office and left no heir apparent to the White House by chosing Cheney, who refuses to run. So, Bush created new entitlements and federal mandates, which aren’t conservative. He signed McCain/Feingold. And due to the fact that he let America take its eye off the ball in the GWOT the country drifted from ‘Let’s Roll’ to ‘Let’s Run’.
McCain is mouthing conservative talking points, doing a complete 180 on many issues. Now he likes/needs conservatives? Gee, the rumblings on the floor of the last CPAC (Conservative Political Action Conference) was that McCain was the only Republican in the race at that time who didn’t bother showing up. He isn’t conservative, doesn’t like conservatives and is contemptuous of conservatives. So who is this guy that’s talking all conservative now? It’s BS, plain and simple, but he’s fooling the ill informed and feeble minded.
I think voting for Thompson at this point, as much as I love the guy, is going to get McCain nominated. So I’ve now migrated to a ‘Mitt’ll do’ mindset. I have as much contempt for McCain as I do Hillary, so whatever it takes to stop both of those jerks I’ll do.
Excuse me. I’ve got to go scrape the Fred! bumpersticker off my car now.
pistolero on January 21, 2008 at 9:24 AM
That my dear, is far from being accurate. Mitt has promised his devotion to his church (which is good for his faith), in marriage he marries the church, then his wife (which is good for his faith), and he has sworn to follow the religious edicts of his church (which is good for his faith). The leader of the church is a living prophet, descended from Smith, that speaks for God on earth. Mitt is devoted to the Mormon faith(like Hucks is devoted to his faith) so it is on the ballot. Mitt’s past votes and leadership is on the ballot, Mitt’s business experience is on the ballot, Mitt’s life history and his beliefs are on the ballot.
You just think a
prettyhandsome, manly, fatherly, face is on the ballot. But in fact his whole life and beliefs are on the ballot, the way he governs. Now listen to this (yoiu won’t but others will), his mentors and leaders and the people he admires and are influenced by, and his beliefs, are on the ballot.This is what scares me, some think only the man who states his campaign speeches the best, or looks the best, is the most qualified.
Thanks for the comments, I see your anger is still heavy on your heart. Let it go, my comments are not directed at you personally (you are way to involved with Mitt), you should drop all that anger, you would lose about 100 pounds, and you would look and feel better.
right2bright on January 21, 2008 at 9:30 AM
right2bright on January 21, 2008 at 9:30 AM
You are off your rocker.
I do not say that in anger, but as a logical conclusion objectively reached after observing the fact that you have more than a few loose screws.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 9:35 AM
I feel your pain, except I may have to choose (gag, cough) McCain over the others.
I know McCain, and his weaknesses, Mitt (the presumably other) is an unknown…in the sense that he to has flipped on most of the major issues.
The difference being, Mitt buckles under attack (Kennedy batted him about in the debates for Senate), runs from being a conservative when cornered. McCain at least has a backbone…and we may need someone who can stand tough, more than an “ideologue”.
But a quandary, none the less…
right2bright on January 21, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Fred’s NOT OUT YET.
Believe, Pray, Hope, (ANNOY ALLAH!)
Contribute, put up signs, DO NOT GIVE UP
DO NOT FORGIVE MCSHAMNESTY EVER!!!
Ex-tex on January 21, 2008 at 9:57 AM
First, I stayed a resident of Mass one extra day in 1994 to vote for Mitt and against Kennedy. Mitt was a political neophyte at that point and I don’t agree that Kennedy batted him around. The people of Mass would vote for Kennedy even if he was a drunken murderer. Oh, wait…
As for running from being a conservative, at least he has to run. McCain never has been a conservative. Loves to tax. Loves to spend. Loves to regulate. And if anyone crosses him, he’s a vindictive bastard who’ll use his power to squash whomever gets in his way. Sounds just like Billy and Hilly to me.
Whatever remains of the conservative base needs to coalesce around the most conservative who still has a chance. Add up Mitt’s, Fred’s and even Hunter’s votes in SC and that puts Hucky waaaay back in third. That’s all I’m saying.
pistolero on January 21, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Are you going to post that in every thread?
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 10:05 AM
I’m noticing a slight trend here on the recent posts. It seems that a good amount of you do want Fred to go to Washington. ‘Cept of course as V.P.
Romney/FRED
McCain/FRED
Rudy/FRED
Huck/Fr . . . we’ll leave that one alone.
I’m not seeing any other ticket as much as the [insert RINO]/FRED combo. (oooo! I’m gonna get it for that!)
Anyone else? It’s a bit interesting that Fred seems to stick in everyone’s mind as the one who would balance out the ticket. (or the one to bring balance to the Force . . .hmmmm)
Could it be because he is . . . THE CONSERVATIVE! I sure as heck know it’s not because you all are into giving away consolation nominations.
Hmmmm. . . /awaits thoughtful considerations
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 10:13 AM
My prejudicial opinion, You all love Fred! but fear your own conservatism and thus the democrats still win.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Vote for Druthers! Da Fred kine, that is.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Pray for Fred and his Mom.
Fred has been at the hospital for over 24 hours at his mother’s side.
AZCON on January 21, 2008 at 10:33 AM
The majority of the people of this country are not far right conservatives. They are mostly moderates. Plus we are very polarized. RE: The last two presidential elections were evenly split.
This is a result of the baby boomer’s 30 plan to take over this country. They have entrenched themselves into our education system and have pushed their liberal agenda on our youth. Also, lots of younger folks don’t have the experience of living under the influence of leftist rule.
Hillary is their last hurrah. She embodies all their socialist hopes and dreams to live under a Marxist rule of government.
This is why even voting for a so called RINO is better than allowing the dems the presidency. A RINO is not the beginning of the end for conservatism, but rather is the beginning of the end for the socialist insanity of the 60’s whackadoodles.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Second look at Rudy.
myamphibian on January 21, 2008 at 10:39 AM
If McCain, Rudy, Mitt, Obama, or Clinton go for my guns there is going to be a Second American Revolution (or a third if you count the War of Northern Aggression) because if the Feds go for the guns I’m bloody well going to start one!
Browncoatone on January 21, 2008 at 10:39 AM
FLASH: RASMUSSEN Florida poll to be released: Romney 25, McCain 20, Giuliani 19… Developing…
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Agreed. The reason he’ll make such a good VP is because he’d be a great president. Once more people get to know him I think we’ll have a Reagan ‘76 convention moment. Everybody thought after Reagan’s speech that Ford was suddenly the wrong guy.
I agree with CS that Hillary is the last of a dying breed. She’ll either lose the primary or the general and then we’ll be through with the Clinton crime family for good, except New Yorkers who brought it on themselves.
Mojave Mark on January 21, 2008 at 10:47 AM
And you are a seriously vindictive person who insults others when they haven’t addressed you whatsoever. What’s your excuse?
Practice what you preach.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Ummmmmmm….the Fredheads here on HA are in rabid denial? Or perhaps stage three of kubler-ross?
Look, Fred has failed to get support in every state primary. MOST people don’t like him and the Fredheads are PROJECTING their feelings onto the entire country. They need to face up to the fact they they are in the minority. Fred is not viable and putting him on the ticket is a bad idea. The ticket needs someone who can bring in more than the paltry amout of votes that Fred has. AND, as we have seen this week with the attacks on Mitt for having lobbyists on his campaign, and as I have been telling the Fredheads for months, his lobbying activities as a lobbyist will be a subject of ads in a general election. Also his involvement with terrorists will be an issue. With the VP slot being basically a nothing to do position, the appearance that Fred is on the ticket to be a lobbyist for the president will also be a consideration.
Fred needs to drop out, endorse no one, and give us the best chance possible to stave off the final attempt by the leftist whackjobs to turn this country into a socialist nightmare.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 10:52 AM
See, this is where I tend to disagree. I think four years under socialist rule, along with a recession, will make those moderates hungry for Reagan style economic policies.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 10:52 AM
I’d be surprised to see Fred as the VP for a couple of reasons:
(1) His enthusiasm for his own campaign has been in question. Why would he suddenly go all out for someone else?
(2) Electorally he doesn’t bring much. Putting Hunter or Rudy (assuming he doesn’t get the nom) on the ticket for example forces the dems to spend money in big states they can’t afford to lose.
(3) Conservatives want to see a conservative on the ticket at least as VP. My guess is that they will settle for Hunter.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 10:52 AM
You are drawing a parallel to Carter. Had the Iran hostage crisis not occurred he would have been more competitive. He may not have won but that was because the economy was in a shambles. This is not the likely scenario in 2012. So think 2016 before you get another chance for the GOP AND keep in mind that in eight years 3-5 SC justices will probably be selected.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 10:55 AM
ok great, time for you to start posting at KOS
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 10:55 AM
If you’ll remember, the nomination was Fred’s to lose and that’s what he did.
For my two cents worth, its time for all of us to get behind Mitt and push because the alternatives are very bad and even pulling together its going to be an uphill battle.
Speakup on January 21, 2008 at 10:55 AM
It is sad that you seem to relish economic hard times to avoid being a team player in regards to party politics and choices not completely in line with your wishes.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 10:57 AM
That is what people thought in 92 with their votes for Perot. And what did it get us? 8 years of the clenis, a rise in terrorism, and the threat of at least 4 years of Hillary’s socialism. Throw in there 8 years of Bush and you can see that the conservatives protest vote in 1992 did nothing to bring about another Reagan. The same is true now. Sitting home or wasting a vote on a third party candidate will give us 4 years of socialism, at least 2 more liberal activist supreme court justices, and the threat of another four years of Hillary or whoever.
It’s time to crush the head of the 60’s whacko’s experiment in Marxism with a vote against them even if it means voting for a so called RINO.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:03 AM
I see you, like buydanish, are incapapble of conversation. You like to piss on anyone that disagrees with you and fabricate gross behavior of anyone that exhibits an opinion differing from yours.
I think both you and your disdain for Fred is rather rabid, extreme, shows bouts of whining, nutty and every post you submit hints of frothing at the mouth.
Howz that for hyperbole and mis-characterization? It was easy. I didn’t have to put much thought into it. Something you already figured out.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Fredheads say: Spite, meet the nose on my face.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:05 AM
I call r2b freaky freak because of his creepy soft porn writing.
But hey, if you want to stand by his side, and rant about Mormons and prophets, go right ahead. I’ll even buy you a sandwich board and a one way ticket to Times Square if you’d like.
Good analogy.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:06 AM
After watching the Fred lovefest that took up several pages of comments in this thread I came to the conclusion that there is one theme “We don’t hear you, Fred is great, everyone else is stooopid”….. Sure signs of maturity in political discourse /sarc off
It reminds me of going through LAX in 1981 and being accosted by the Moonies all the way to the gate.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I say cliched and unoriginal. But I’m just being spiteful. Right?
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:09 AM
I see you. I can understand where you are coming from (sans the krishna refrence).
It’s a late night thing though. Time to unwind. That’s all.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:11 AM
The sad thing for you is that your statement I was responding to, well, you were SERIOUS.
Fred sticks in EVERYONE’S mind? No, Fred sticks in the Fredhead’s minds. But as I pointed out, you are projecting onto EVERYONE.
You’re either in denial or stage 3. Period. And I did respond to your claims anyway and explained to you WHY you are completely wrong about Fred’s influence in this election.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Who woulda thunk that CS and Bradky would have agreed on something? LOL
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 11:12 AM
The “FredFest” was born out of an alternative to all the negativity coming from those who just wanted to insult and bash anyone who supported Thompson. I thought it was genius. Nobody was harmed. Nothing was compromised. And you all watched liked voyeurs. Admit it.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I think it will be too late for our country once those four years are up. The threat of terrorism is too great to turn over our country to a Hillary or Obama for four years “just to make a point”.
But that’s the thing. We don’t have to vote for a RINO…yet. The current leader in the Republican race, Mitt Romney, is no RINO. If we get to the point where we need to vote for a Huckabee or McCain to stop the pinko commie Hillary…then we are in trouble.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 11:13 AM
most of the Fredheads here are rational people, but when they openly hope for a dem victory & recession they deserve
ridicule
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 11:14 AM
I do not have disdain for Fred. I have disdain for Fred Heads.
As for “fabricating gross behavior”, I have done nothing of the sort. The creepy, pornographic, kooky rants of R2B are in the vault.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:14 AM
I’m clinging to hope that Fred! will stay, but realize the end is approaching. I think he made an important impact on the republican primary by enumerating the conservative positions and trying to weed out the wanna-bes. Once it is official, I will be a Mitt-head and hope that Fred can land the VP nomination. That would be a very good ticket.
P.S. I am doing my part to get the number of posts over 1000. let’s go people.
Mallard T. Drake on January 21, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Frankly, it was like watching a bunch of tenth graders gathering behind the bleachers to gripe about Mrs. Jones habit of not grading on a curve for geometry.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 11:15 AM
I wish there were more people like you.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Spiteful? No.
Joining Madison C in a cliche’ about Socialism? Priceless.
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!
You are soooooo full of crap! The snark at the Fredheads was a response to the hair-renting hysteria coming from the Fredheads. It started last spring when I and others started calling them “groupies” etc.
Yeah dude, you’re in denial or stage three. Seriously, you are.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Out of a whole post you are stuck on my using the word everyone. Okay, some. A few. A gather. small consensus.
Are they unbunched now?
There is no denial here. Fred did not win in South Carolina. Where is the thought process that concludes I’m in denial in my post? I offered an observation, with some clearly interesting viewpoint and you just want to knock me because I included Fred in it.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Dude, seriously. Where am I in denial? What Am I in denial about?
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Aww, leave them alone. Their party is almost over, so let them be. We all know they will end up voting for Mitt once Fred gets out. I don’t want Fred to get out any more than the FredHeads, but you can’t stop the inevitable.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Cross post much? Get your comments in alignment before you leak any more pithy untruths.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Shhhhhhhhh. The rabid Fredheads have to be pandered to. They have to THINK they are settling for a RINO for the good of the country. If you try to convince them Mitt is a conservative, it will be like pulling a dog down the street on a leash. They will be stubborn for the sake of it and nothing else.
Hence my use of the term “so called RINO”.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM
You really should stay away from those high school bleachers. You’re gonna get caught one day.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:22 AM
These people who claim they are Fredheads but will vote for someone else because they believe that other person can win… either you’re lying plants, or you never had any principles to begin with.
You vote for a candidate because you support his principles and policies; if you change your vote for any other reason, you’re a political whore and you deserve what you get. This race won’t be *close* to being decided until after Super Tuesday – all the shilly-shallying before that is high school cheerleader stuff.
fabrexe on January 21, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Hmmm, let’s look at Fred’s numbers in Super Tuesday states, shall we? He barely beats RuPaul is most places. A vote for Fred at this point is basically a vote for the Maverick RINO.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Dude! I don’t even have to give examples of how you just spin. You crap em out like diarrhea.
Spew all you want, it’s your mess.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Cool. Apology accepted. But words do mean things and everyone means me too and that isn’t even near accurate AND when you see the poor support Fred got in the primaries, the word you shoulds\ have used was “extreme minority”.
You are in denial when you say that the Fredfests are a result of the snark you guys got from AP et al. You guys started the Fredfests way before Fred was even a candidate. It was after weeks of the Fredfests when the snarking started.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Fred’s mother is in the hospital, Fred is with her. We haven’t heard anything from the campaign yet.
Far be it from me to interrupt the fun everyone either gleefully doing I-told-you-sos or feeling the pain of immanent demise, but I propose the following:
How about we wait and see how it all shakes out before making WAGs? But how fun would that be, eh?
Tennman on January 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Oh lordy! I’m not towing the party line! GOP OR DEATH!
Choices not completely in line with my wishes? McCain? Let’s see…amnesty, refusal to use torture on terrorists, assault weapons ban resurrection, twice voted against Bush’s tax cuts, and CFR?
Wow, I need to learn to not be so picky and love my new liberal Republican party.
Troll.
Except what you’re proposing is a short-term solution. You prefer to “crush” the socialist sentiment in this country by keeping Hillary out of office. However, your alternative is a semi-socialist Republican. I think we would be better off letting the country have a taste of Carter and remember how much it sucks with high taxes and economic slowdown. You’ll find a lot of moderates getting more and more opinionated in such circumstances, and then we won’t have to worry about promising everything to everyone. Enough people on both sides will want supply-side that they’ll vote regardless of party affiliation.
Your first point is an insane non-sequiter that you spout off to both insult that poster again and a senseless attempt to justify you being a flaming troll.
Your second point is worthless because I just was in another thread defending the Mormon faith against a couple of evangelical bigots who claim Mormonism, despite being a faith that recognizes Christ as divine, is not a Christian faith.
God, why do I even bother? Trolls never change their crap.
The thing about this is, draw a parallel to the attacks in 98 and 2000. The USS Cole was an act of war, and we pretty much ignored it. The first WTC bombing should have been a clue. The threat of terrorism was pretty great then, except we just paid very little attention to it.
And again, it’s not about making a point. When the United States citizenry elects a leader, they learn about that leader over time. If we elect a leader from the right that implements numerous policies Obama or Hillary would have, what hope do they have left? They need to know that they can pick political opposites, and have a real choice in what kind of policies they can have. Bush has shown them that republicans can be wishy-washy, and that outlook needs something to counter it. Unfortunately, someone who is just as bad or worse from the GOP isn’t going to do it.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM
there are only a few Fredheads who want to take their ball home and pout in their room, and a couple that are now rooting for socialism cuz they are so pure
these few post a lot so it skews your perception, 99% of Fredheads are rational Republicans
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM
My observation was from a couple of weeks ago when a thread went far into the night. I think it was a night or two after the Bryan admonishment.
All in all. I didn’t think Fred until just recently. Recently I mean about Iowa time.
I just find it odd of all the resentment you have towards a FredHead. It is just superficial. Am I incorrect?
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:34 AM
He’s not normally quite as bad as Buy Danish, but he has his periods.
I continuously make the mistake of bothering to respond to certain posters, in the vain hope that they can go three posts without:
1. insulting someone
2. denying that they insulted someone
3. justifying their insult of someone by insulting them again
4. justifying all insults by declaring themselves infallible
So far, I’ve been foolish to think such posters were capable of that kind of civil conduct. Silly me, an idealist.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Details? Link?
fourstringfuror on January 21, 2008 at 11:35 AM
News flash, spanky: McCain has numerous socialist stances. Hillary has more. Either way is a vote for socialism. I refuse to take part. You’re talking about voting for the lesser socialist to keep out the bigger one. Who’s the one really rooting?
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Stop regurgitating anti-fredhead rhetoric you have read here. You are unoriginal and repetitive.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM
moi?
I’m pretty sure MM, Allah and Bryan are Republicans
You’re hoping for a democrat win, recession, and socialism and I’m the troll? freaky….
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Wrong. Fred is never going to get the nomination and for you to suggest that every person in the rep primaries are really truly Fredheads that are settling for someone else because they can win, is the type of attitude that is the mother of the ridiculing snark the Fredheads are getting.
What you need to understand that once a candidate has proven himself inviable, a rational person has to retreat to the next best position. In this case it is any candidate other than the dems, RP, and HuckaBigot. We will have at least 2 supreme court justices to be nominated. And if the dems get their way, they will put two socialist activist justices on the court. Heck, if I thought they would nominate moderates I’d be less concerned.
So, as long as you guys keep doggedly holding onto a miserable failure of a candidate like Fred, I say unto you….
fabrexe says: Spite, meet my nose.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Yet the Fredheads! expectation seems to be Fred before dishonor…
It works both ways – if the majority of the party choose someone else you are expected to support the wish of the majority, just as they would be expected to support it if your first choice got the majority.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Voyeurs? That’s weird, dude.
And for you to use the word “negativity” to describe those of us who are optimistic about our future and believe that there is more than one candidate out there who is capable of leading this nation is hilarious.
One caveat: If Fred endorses McCain, I’ll be depressed for a moment, but will also be cheered at the thought that every single speech you Fred Heads have given about him being the only true conservative will be destroyed by that single gesture.
It’s not a non sequitur when someone is ranting about Mormons, for the 764732747th time. R2b is the flaming troll not me.
Good for you. Why do you align yourself with a r2b then?
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM
I don’t see the point in even voting if we have a choice between McCain and Hillary in the general if we weren’t in a time of war. Unfortunately, in the world we live in we may be faced with that choice and have to pick the lesser of two very big evils for the sake of our country. But I’m convinced that the conservatives still out number the moderates and we will be able to choose a Republican for the Republican nomination. If it can’t be Fred Thompson (and its looking like it probably won’t), then why not Mitt Romney? Sure, he has some positions that you may not 100% agree with, but I’m sure Fred does too (see CFR). Overall both men have pretty conservative overall ideologies and will keep our country safe. That is what I care about. If I was looking for a candidate that held 100% of my views on every single issue, I would have to run for President myself.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Actually, it was Fred…or Hunter…or Tancredo…and yet all you rabid anti-Fredheads seem to leave out those two. Probably because it takes the wind out of your vitriolic sails.
If the party chooses someone not in line with my views, I’m expected to support them? How far does that go? One issue? Five? How about if they are a total social liberal? How about a fiscal liberal?
You keep making allowances and accept that the GOP only wants to help the country. I’ll stick by the philosophy that the GOP and DNC want one thing and one thing only: To stay in office, no matter what.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM
newsflash spanky, find a single post on the innertubes where I advocate for McCain… Just because the MSM has annoited him the nominee doesn’t mean crap. Rasmussen has a new Florida poll with Romney leading.
windansea on January 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM
I did that dance with buydanish yesterday in a headline post.
Really, I do have respect for csdeven and even defended him a few time the past few weeks. I felt the pre-admonish cs was slowly rearing it’s head.
Yeah, those insult comments are like fools gold. You go after it cuz it’s all shiny and in the end, you end up just disappointed.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Ah, yes Tancredo. I love the guy and some of the things he does on the House floor are very honorable, but come on. The guy wants to stop LEGAL immigration. I consider myself a hardliner on illegal immigration, but that is where I draw the line.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 11:45 AM
I don’t align myself with anyone. I do oppose baseless insults and ridiculous grudges like you appear to keep, as I’m aware of your past scuffles with him.
Sadly, I think the Mormonism will lose Mitt the election. Apparently a lot of evangelicals bristle mindlessly at the thought of voting for one, and I think that same hatred will put support into 527s out to snipe Mitt at every turn. Against Hillary? Tough call. Against Obama? Forget it, even though Obama’s own church is just as controversial(unapologetically black? Beg pardon?).
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 11:46 AM
And would he have gotten it? Think about it, man. He would have gotten proper initiatives through to secure the border, but they wouldn’t have let him go further. Sometimes you need an extremist on issues just to get as far as is necessary for basic legislation.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 11:47 AM
I loathe r2b’s vile and bizarre commentary and I make no secret of my opinions about that.
By the way, have you got a speech prepared in the event that Fred endorses his friend, the “Socialist” McCain?
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:47 AM
If r2b stops ranting about Mormons and stops producing soft porn I can ignore him.
How’s that?
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 11:49 AM
I am at a loss as to why this is not apparently clear. This is what being a FredHead is about to me. Not about Fred the candidate, but the notion that a conservative who doesn’t compromise is what I want.
They are so stuck on snarking FredHeads. It’s mind boggling.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 11:49 AM
For now. In the short term a so-called RINO is way better than a dem socialist. If the liberals get a majority on the court, they will subvert the balance of power through judicial activism and change our lives for the next 20 to 30 years. See RvW.
After we kill the socialist beast, the so-called RINO’s become the bad guy and we can then run a so-called real conservative against him.
This is exactly what the dems are trying to do. They elected a moderate Bill Clinton trying to set the stage for the socialist Hillery Clinton. We elected Bush as the stop gap and now we have to do it again. This is the socialists last hurrah and we need to kill it once and for all.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:49 AM
LOL – I’m waiting to see that one but it sounds as if the Fredheads have formed a support group elsewhere in the event that occurs.
Bradky on January 21, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Even Hitler would have a shot against Hillary in the general.
Unfortunately, it looks like the only “Republican” (and notice that is in quotes) that can beat Obama in the general is McCain. But I don’t think we need to worry about that because Hillary already has the nomination in the bag….
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 11:51 AM
It sounds to me like you should have been more clear on the time frame your comment was referring to.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 11:52 AM
You’re probably right. The legislature would have had to meet him somewhere in the middle.
malan89 on January 21, 2008 at 11:52 AM
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