Fredhead poll Update: A decision coming Tuesday?
posted at 5:18 pm on January 20, 2008 by Bryan
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Patrick Ruffini is running the poll, which asks two questions.
#1. If Fred drops out of the race, who will you support?
#2. If Fred drops out and endorses McCain, what impact will that have on your vote?
Before you Fredheads yell at me about this poll, consider that Fred declared that South Carolina was his stand state and he finished third there. Also consider that at some point, people have to start dropping out of the GOP race, and Fred and Huckabee are probably the most likely major candidates to drop out at this point. Huckabee because South Carolina gave him a loss on what amounted to home turf, and Fred because the evidence of Fredmentum is, sadly, scant. Reality’s teeth are getting sharper by the day.
If I had my druthers, Fred would stay in, we would go to a brokered convention and Fred would end up on the ticket. But my druthers don’t seem to be accounting for much these days.
Update: Carl Cameron says there may be a decision coming Tuesday.
As we have previously reported Fred Thomspon is in Tennessee visiting his 90 plus year old mother who is recovering from an illness
There will be no decisions today as Thompson mulls whether to carry on his bid for the presidency but he is expected to say something definitive tomorrow, probably first thing in the morning.
While no one in the campaign will be surprised if he withdraws they have no idea which way he will go and they do have some money if he should decide to continue.
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Indeed. Let’s talk Jeri and see where it goes.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Let’s not…Please.
ChrisM on January 21, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Having read the entire thread last night, and looking at the new posts today, is like… night and day, actually!
Last night was calm and reasonable — except for Harald Hardrada, who kept trying to start something. Then this morning, the vicious commenters come in.
I’m wondering how Fredheads get a bad name, when the snide, insulting ones almost all seem to support Romney.
In fact, the bulk of negative comments I see don’t come from Fredheads, but they do seem to be aimed at Fredheads.
Is Romney such a sucky candidate that he can only get supporters by tearing down all others? I can’t say I’ve seen Romney go on the attack against anyone, but I sure have seen some Romney trolls attack.
tom on January 21, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Meant merely as example. Don’t worry.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Yes tom, that’s the way I read it too. McCain was stratagizing for his pending campaign. He had to know that Petraeus was writing the COIN strategy. It’s not like Petraesu just pulled it out a a magic hat when Gates took over for Rumsfeld. What’s the point of writing one if it’s not going to be implemented.
But forcing Bush’s hand on a military spending bill during time of war was the nail in the McCain coffin for me.
Texas Gal on January 21, 2008 at 2:36 PM
I think he will pick up voters who are concerned about Health Insurance. I don’t like the fact of gov’t health insurance but I sure think it’s coming our way. At least his plan is utilizing the free market.
A lot I don’t like about Mitt but if he isn’t lying on most issues (who can tell anymore), I could hold my nose a vote for him… It’s all about the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE AND AMNESTY!
stenwin77 on January 21, 2008 at 2:38 PM
What’s the Hotair record for number of posts in one thread? We’ve got to be getting close, right?
Vanceone on January 21, 2008 at 2:38 PM
That is silly on a levels. Why is it you get to dictate what MC desires in a candidate’s values? His choice of not to vote in the general election is not a spiteful action, it’s a protest action.
Spiteful means he has to do something directly to hurt the GOP despite what he believes. If MC no longer feels that the GOP represents the core values that he believes should be followed, it is an honorable thing and legitimate action to stay out of the general election. It says he will not be compromised.
He is not voting based on issue to issue. He would be staying out based on core principle. Why would he want the GOP in if the GOP does not represent him?
Dude, stop spinning this spite rhetoric. It is nothing but dishonest and inflammatory.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Ask a bird to stop flying…
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 2:45 PM
I just wish Fred engendered as many votes as he does postings on Hot Air. What will AP do for traffic if Fred does drop out?
Still think he’ll wait until Feb 5th; too little real stuff has been decided to date.
michaelo on January 21, 2008 at 2:46 PM
If Fred is not the nominee, I will write him in. He will get my vote, period.
fabrexe on January 21, 2008 at 2:50 PM
And you joined Hot Air when? I was complaining about you copying me! I do agree it is confusing, but I believe I was here long before you. Simple solution is to have Bryan or AP see who was first and if that is you I will gladly change.
lan astaslem on January 21, 2008 at 2:52 PM
What makes you think he’ll stop his condescension toward Fred-heads at that point?
Darksean on January 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM
DOPPELGANGER!!!
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 3:01 PM
I have a feeling both of you will neither surrender nor submit.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM
chicken little points to europe
unseen on January 21, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Yes Romney is that sucky. If Huck is the repub Jimmy Carter than Mitt is the repub John Kerry. If Fred drops out to push McVain I am leaving the Party.
HotAirExpert on January 21, 2008 at 3:14 PM
A lot I don’t like about Mitt but if he isn’t lying on most issues (who can tell anymore), I could hold my nose a vote for him… It’s all about the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE AND AMNESTY!
stenwin77 on January 21, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Mitt vs Hillary. Mitt. At least we can stem the damage. Plus I am so tired of the Bush/Clinton machine. 20 years of is enough for them.
unseen on January 21, 2008 at 3:14 PM
geckomon sez: Spite, meet my nose.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 3:17 PM
I said it before, and I’ll say it again:
Don’t be a smartass if it doesn’t make any goddamn sense.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Hang in there Fred!
sleepy-beans on January 21, 2008 at 3:21 PM
CSDEVEN TOUR ‘08: The Road To Irrelevancy!
or how I turned into a repetative old man.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 3:21 PM
very funny!
lan astaslem on January 21, 2008 at 3:25 PM
I’m not dropping out until I see what happens on Super Tuesday.
- The Cat
1122 comments? Now this has to be a record.
MirCat on January 21, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Blog post link #1 has Democrat Gary Cobb’s advertisement, running to replace his boss Ronnie Earle for Travis County DA, as Ronnie leaves DeLay’s case unprosecuted, Tom indicted on charges not based on law, not based upon the evidence according to law, either.
maverick muse on January 21, 2008 at 3:37 PM
MC sez: Spite, meet my nose.
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM
.
I think this means:
You say or do something out of spite even if it does not serve you. In other words: “Cut off your nose, to spite your face”.
Mystery solved..?
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 3:39 PM
On Super Tuesday I think we’re inching toward…
LEAST HATED CANDIDATE…
Mitt Romney.
It’s sad when it comes to this. Maybe by a miracle we can get to convention without a nominee. Now THAT would be fun.
Mojave Mark on January 21, 2008 at 3:40 PM
If only csdeven was interested in solution.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Bryan, it is a disservice to provide the venue of angery vehemence towards candidate Fred Thompson based upon projections of speculations today.
maverick muse on January 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM
There is another one I like as well.
“He will lie, when the truth would serve him better”.
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Ah yes, Democratic Party Politics in Texas. They succeeded in smearing DeLay and handed the seat to Lampson, somewhat of a bluedog who will probably be able to hold it for a while. Next up will be to take Ron Paul’s seat and his racists supporters are going to help the Ds successfully move that one to their side too.
Sad and infuriating.
Texas Gal on January 21, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Naw. This one comes to mind
And another FredThread!
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 3:47 PM
If the republican base would stand up for conservative values like they stood up against amnesty, we would already have a clear conservative front-runner!
kcd on January 21, 2008 at 3:50 PM
;-)
csdeven on January 21, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Quit trying to hijack threads. No one cares about your personal attacks on me. You are angry when I finally called you on your incessant personal attacks, I attacked you, made a sarcastic post of your affection for Mitt, and you suddenly become indignant that I lashed back at you. You don’t like being attacked personally, and I don’t. Well if you continue to personally attack me, then I will just have to dig into the archives and bring out your fantasy night with Mitt again, it must have been quite a night.
So if you don’t like to be subjected to attacks, then lay off…otherwise you will get what you deserve.
And csdeven, you little hater of all things Christian. You are angry at my Mormon rants, how about you calling all Christian ministers the equivalent of whores, just in it for the money…then when someone attacks back, you whine like a little baby girl, if you dish it out, then take it.
Now, what about Fred and his red truck?…that disqualified him at one time, does the RV disqualify Mitt?
Or csdeven, do you want me to bring up your famous defense of, if someone in the blog states something, and you defend one part, you take ownership of everything that person says. Do you remember your embarrassing argument? You shut up for about two days after making yourself a fool on that one.
So have at it you two, enjoy…but no one else cares that you two have a personal distaste for me…you should try attacking ideas and not people…or maybe the ideas are right and that is what bothers you.
right2bright on January 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM
The RNC just telephoned asking for my financial support. When I interjected that my financial donations would be made when Fred Thompson’s name was on the ticket, the caller started over with her message that any Republican would be better than a Democrat, and started with a litany against Hillary Clinton. I agreed, but told her that Fred Thompson is the only Republican who can beat Hillary Clinton, and that I would write in his name if it were not on the ballot. She paused and said that she supposed that would be ok, to which I reiterated that OF COURSE it would be OK TO WRITE IN FRED THOMPSON.
I provide my financial support to the conservative Republican platform, not to any RINO.
As a Reagan Democrat, I have already seen what happens to a party that panders to the liberals for more power. Some are disillusioned and say they’ll not even vote. I will vote for the conservative platform on the Republican ticket. I will write in Fred Thompson’s name making my point on record. Texas hasn’t voted yet, and we matter as much as any other state in this Union of Fifty.
“In a divided field [Fred's] delegates may make a difference; that’s why I’m voting for him in the Tennessee primary in two weeks.” –Bob Krumm
maverick muse on January 21, 2008 at 3:57 PM
per csdeven you are just being spiteful. I agree with you. That makes me spiteful as well. I’m in great company.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 4:00 PM
right2bright on January 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Amen.
maverick muse on January 21, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Fred needs to stay in the race. McCain was dead in December and look at him now. This campaign seems to turn on nothing. I still think that there will be no winner before the convention and that Fred will be the compromise candidate if he stays in. Otherwise, it will probably be Romney who is the most acceptable candidate after Fred.
duff65 on January 21, 2008 at 4:03 PM
There are many benefits to writing in Fred even if he doesn’t make it to your State Primary including not only carrying his delegates into a Convention that might not be decided but also it carries the message to the designated nominee and the GOP when selecting the VP that those values carry a lot of voters. It also carries the weight when selecting the President’s Cabinet. And that’s one thing I’ll say about the current field of candidates, they sure would make one he11 of a Cabinet!
Texas Gal on January 21, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Time to call the principal. The kids on the playground aren’t getting along!
fourstringfuror on January 21, 2008 at 4:29 PM
If we conservatives are dumb enough to let Fred out of the race.. Then we might as well vote for Obama and reap what we sow.
nursemorgan1 on January 21, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Hmmmmm. So if a commenter goes on and on ad nauseum about how “scary” Mormons are you have no problem with that, but when we point this out it reflects poorly on Romney?
How about you stop ranting about how scary Mormons are? Okey dokey?
My opinions are formed by weighing the evidence. I call you a Moonbat because you have loony conspiracy theories like Rosie O’Donnell . Raving moonbattery is not “classical conservatism”, and classical conservatives would not rant on and on about Mormons.
Like you did here
And here, where you used the CAPS LOCK technique to rant on.
Oh, and before you accuse me of keeping a “dossier” on you, there is something called “Google” and typing in “maverick muse+conspiracy theories” got me to what I was looking for in very short order.
Indeed, I discovered that your anti-Mormon mutterings are not limited to this blog. Isn’t the blogosphere lucky to have you!
Buy Danish on January 21, 2008 at 4:36 PM
See? Believing that McCain would sign the Fairness Doctrine, considering his history with CFR and his snub by Rush Limbaugh in 2000, whom the Fairness Doctrine would affect most, is as completely and utterly bonkers as, say, claiming that fire can’t melt steel!
It’s all clear now! No hyperbole whatsoever!
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I too, prefer to be spiteful rather than lose my honor as a true conservative by voting for anyone with an (R) next to his name.
ihasurnominashun on January 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 4:00 PM
I’m not certain about this “spite”, geckomon.
There is a point to make on record for the sake of supporting consistent conservative GOP principles, and standing against the liberal tide.
Though what will be, will be, now matters as much as ever.
As per your mentioning csdeven: his, vanceone, somebody#, buy danish & co. projections of “hate” onto others who criticize speaks OF THEMSELVES. They are best left to themselves as they will never see beyond their nose.
Historically, though, leaving them to their own devices didn’t work very well when the US President chose to allow Brigham Young the governorship of the Utah territory prior to the Civil War. That allowed Utah’s leaders and residents to commit murder of federal judges and the Mountain Meadows Massacre. That place has a monument and webpage, though Google has many sites for reference. Those commentors boast of bloodlines to Parley P. Pratt, defending Pratt’s “honor” and circumstances surrounding murders–projecting their bloody hate on anyone who weeps for lost innocense. That was then; this is now. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were fond of cursing adversaries through 7 generations. The wierd thing about a curse, is that whatever curse they project returns at them with more potency than imaginable. Watch your backside around that sort who would avenge a wrong with a wrong with a wrong.
I believe that faith in Christ can deflect a curse from ugly people. To those claiming to be Christian, IMO, today no Christian desecrates the unity of faith in the Holy Spirit expressed by all believers throughout all time. These days, Christians have reached the level of spirituality to be honest with their historical differences. So far as I’m concerned, trust in God.
maverick muse on January 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Which canidate do you thing is better able to respond to Tues market crash?
McCain in Michgian debate said we didn’t even have a recession going on. Mitt wants to put a chicken in every pot. Hillary wants to buy the pot and stove to cook the chicken in. Obmas seems to want to buy the house to place the stove and pot in to cook the chicken. Huck things we should storm the CEO’s offices and lynch them all. Rudy wants to cut taxes so that the recession won’t become a depression.
Pocketbook issues favors Mitt IMO.
I hope everyone got out of the market. Tues looks ugly.
unseen on January 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM
I was using sarcasm. In no way is how you vote a spiteful action. In csdeven’s eyes, if we don’t vote the way he see it, it’s spite.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Ding ding ding ding ding Johnny tell him what he’s won!
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Thank you kindly.
maverick muse on January 21, 2008 at 4:50 PM
A Fred nomination?
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Happy to assist those from what’s left of the right. Puns intended.
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 5:01 PM
*sigh*
Let’s wait and see what happens in the next couple days, bro.
MadisonConservative on January 21, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Get ready for a Giuliani tsunami! I’m just saying.
myamphibian on January 21, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I just saw this comment over at the DailyKos:
Even THEY know that all the candidates are democrats in RINO clothing….everyone BUT Fred!
ihasurnominashun on January 21, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Careful you’re not too liberal with the lauding for Kos Kids! lol
geckomon on January 21, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Actually, I was shocked they had the insight to see it. You gotta see what the opposition is up to know and again.
ihasurnominashun on January 21, 2008 at 7:26 PM
I think “point this out” is understating it a tad…
But no, the observation has nothing to do with defending Romney or Mormonism. It has to do with attacking Fred and Fred supporters over and over again, which has to do with politics, not with a defense of Mormonism.
But it’s interesting that you think it has to do with Mormonism? Are they linked in your mind? Is there something about Fred or Fredheads that is distinctively anti-Mormon?
We say that people should not reject Mitt Romney because he’s Mormon, and I agree with that. But it’s just as true that no one should vote for him just because he’s Mormon. I’m beginning to wonder if the zeal for Mitt among certain Mormon posters is exactly the same thing as Huckabee’s appeal to some evangelicals. Maybe there’s more identity politics going on than I realized at first.
Is the bile directed against Fred Thompson because he’s competing for the same pool of voters that Mitt is? It might explain a few things. We certainly saw that dynamic amongst the Huckabee supporters.
tom on January 21, 2008 at 7:31 PM
If The Fred drops out I’ll write his name in. If The Fred goes completely off his rocker in the next few days and endorses Juan McCain well I can’t very well take the endorsement of someone completely off their rocker seriously. To settle for any of the other candidates is sending a message that it’s ok to practice blatant left wing politics your entire career and we’ll vote for you anyway. Fred should just run in the General under a different party.
Buttercup on January 21, 2008 at 7:37 PM
“If Fred is not the nominee, I will write him in. He will get my vote, period.”
I suppose that is one way to vote Democrat. A write in for Fred would pretty much guarantee a Democrat in the white house if enough knuckle-headed Republicans pull that stunt.
crosspatch on January 21, 2008 at 7:59 PM
You could just as easily say:
Just as true. It just depends on how many.
Any candidate who actually wants to be elected, it’s on him to give people a reason to vote for him.
tom on January 21, 2008 at 8:07 PM
If not Fred then there will be a Liberal in the WH no matter what. Just because they put an “R” after their name does not make them Republicans.
Buttercup on January 21, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Off topic, but tangentially relevant:
When the Mormons come knocking on my door, and I politely but firmly turn them away (for the tenth time in a year), why don’t they stay away? I don’t want to be rude or off-putting, but good grief! No means no!
fourstringfuror on January 21, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Don’t quit, Fred.
At least wait ’til after Super Tuesday.
Dave R. on January 22, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Well let’s wait and see what happens
tomorrower today. Personally I am praying that his mother(may she recover) tells him “Son I always taught you to never quit what you started, you might get beat, but never quit!” As a tribute to FredHeads and Fredhead despisers a few more Little Known Facts About Fred Thompson (LKFAFT)1. Fred Thompson flosses his teeth with a straight razor.
2. Fred Thompson reheas leftovers by staring at them.
3. Fred Thompson has on Multiple occasions solved problems like Maria.
4. One lazy afternoon, Fred Thompson felt like whittling..The result: Mount Rushmore.
5. Fred Thompson is immune to fire, bullets and YOUR sarcasm!
6. In case it one day needs a backup, Fred Thompson has memorized the internet.
7. Once Fred Thompson played such a great game of Monopoly that the Federal Trade Commision was forced to get involved.
8. Fred Thompson…the real reason Iran wants nukes…fear is a terrible thing to waste!
9. Every night, Osama checks under his bed for Fred ThompsonThe myth about the twelve labors of Hercules is loosely based on Fred Thompson life as a youngster in the boyscouts.
10. Fred Thompson vows not only to win in Iraq, but also to forcefully free Vietnam for Communism, thus giving America a perfect win/loss record for wars again.
RedLizard64 on January 22, 2008 at 3:19 AM
In my current state of mind, having read just this last page of comments (I’ll read the other 12 after I finish War and Peace, I plan to do just that. I’ll write in Fred come March, then vote Obama in the general election. If the repubs want a liberal, then I will do my part to see they get one.
Texas Nick 77 on January 22, 2008 at 8:53 AM
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