Video: McCain says he hasn’t changed his position on immigration
posted at 11:44 pm on January 19, 2008 by Bryan
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Well here ya go folks, carne rojo, rare as it can be. John McCain sponsored McCain-Kennedy, which would have amnestied millions of illegal immigrants without securing the border first. McCain has shifted his immigration stance recently, while lying that he never supported amnesty at all, to acknowledge that the border ought to be secured first.
But somehow, that’s not a change in his position. Ooooook.
The bottom line is that he still supports what McCain-Kennedy would do even though a majority of Americans don’t and even though the base of the party absolutely hated that bill.
Straight talk or arrogance: You make the call.
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(h/t Gateway Pundit)
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Now there’s a good argument. Thanks, I will not sit home.
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 1:52 PM
BINGO.
Michael in MI on January 20, 2008 at 1:52 PM
An excellent point that needs to be pounded home from now until November.
Michael in MI on January 20, 2008 at 1:53 PM
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 1:50 PM
lol…just trying to add a little levity…gee.and I thought we don’t qerteak for spelean…
jerrytbg on January 20, 2008 at 1:55 PM
McCain is so wrong on so many levels. Please, let’s all make him go away.
bloviator on January 20, 2008 at 1:56 PM
I missed this the first time through the comments this morning, but I agree with this completely.
Michael in MI on January 20, 2008 at 1:56 PM
So are you and your lack of any real ones.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Oh, you mean activist judges?
cjs1943 on January 20, 2008 at 1:59 PM
I like Fred, but he rolled over for McCain. really weak.
All those Fredheads watched their contributions getting flushed down the drain. I hope he apologizes to them, but he may endorse McCain.
Romney is the last hope, to be honest.
Of course, McCain’s been campaigning down there in SC for 8 years. To be honest, against that pathetic field and with a lot of help, 33% was a lot less than he even got in 2000. Some vote getter he is!
Of course, if he gets the nomination, like lots of other conservatives, I say that we will have to burn down the damn village in order to save it. I simply will not vote for that senile raving loony POS.
There are millions of us conservative Republicans who feel this way. The pinheads at the RNC should know this before they send down the pretty balloons.
TexasJew on January 20, 2008 at 1:59 PM
As was I. Was just playin’ with ya!
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 1:59 PM
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 1:59 PM
I thought as much that’s why I continued..
jerrytbg on January 20, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Jerrytbg… :)
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 2:02 PM
I clarified why I thought they were faux. Your comment was just an ad hominem attack. Perhaps it’s fitting your poor judgment in one area has carried over into another.
davenp35 on January 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Can you please chill now on the faux principles thing. It’s dead. Move on.
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 2:05 PM
That’s not what I remember it as… hahaha. Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Exactly!
davenp35 on January 20, 2008 at 2:05 PM
I did stop, but other people keep bringing it up.
davenp35 on January 20, 2008 at 2:06 PM
You clarified nothing. You claimed Fred had several non-conservative issues, without pointing out what they were. Unless they’re the old talking points recited by such as tommylotto, I’d like to know what they are in comparison to the other big four.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 2:09 PM
If I Really Cared
/Couldn’t resist either!
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Wow, I think Bryan has done a great job replicating AP’s style of posting, only without the atheist brouhaha. Heck, AP could fall down a well and I’d never even notice he’s gone.
Darth Executor on January 20, 2008 at 2:10 PM
OUCH!
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I would submit there is no difference between Hillary and McCain.
-Both acquiesced in the 90’s when our military was being gutted.
-Both will stake out positions opposed by their party when necessary.
-Both will change those opinions and claim otherwise when necessary.
-Both are grasping politicians.
-Both are extremely tempermental and default to personal attacks when questioned on issues.
-Both would refuse water torture even if lives were at stake.
-Both would nuance immigration reform and de facto grant amnesty.
-Both are more interested in consolidating small groups of power in congress than building consensus.
-Both are uniformed on economic issues and solutions.
-Both would cut deals to raise taxes in exchange for concessions elsewhere.
-Both condemn others when challenged on the stump.
-Both would weaken the CIA.
-Both would bluster but ultimately appease a military confrontation after the benefit of hindsight surrounding the negative outcome, (see water torture).
-Both always point fingers for blame.
-Both will oppose conservative judges.
Starlink on January 20, 2008 at 2:12 PM
lol
Vets here will tell you that you can tell the difference between the two in style and substance. Few of us need the byline to know who wrote what. Regardless, that’s a pretty cold and unnecessary statement, don’t you think?
Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Darth Executor on January 20, 2008 at 2:10 PM
OUCH!
tickleddragon on January 20, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I’m not going to touch this one.lol
jerrytbg on January 20, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Absolutely. We are the party of Lincoln, and more contemporarily, the party of Reagan. The country club set at the RNC needs to have this pounded into their heads, if that’s what it takes.
bloviator on January 20, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Starlink on January 20, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Keep that post for posting in future McCain smackdowns…with one change, please. A case can be made that waterboarding is NOT torture, starting with the fact that our own countrymen go through it in SERE training.
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Ditto.
Starlink on January 20, 2008 at 2:19 PM
And SERE-X’s afterward as I did in my unit.
davenp35 on January 20, 2008 at 2:23 PM
I’m not angry at anyone, I just refuse to vote for someone who goes against my views on the majority of issues. If there is a candidate that comes close enough for me to consider it I will vote for them, otherwise I have no reason to do so. If the party decides it doesn’t want me in the party by nominating someone who is unacceptable to me then I will not be voting for their nominee. I am beholden to no party, my loyalty lies with myself. Besides blind loyalty to the party strikes me as a socialist position.
Gianni on January 20, 2008 at 2:23 PM
I’ve been here long enough to consider myself a “vet” although I lurk more often than I post. And it was a joke, not meant to be taken literally.
I don’t think it’s cold, and it certainly wasn’t meant to be cold. I like Allah, I’m just having a bit of fun with the fact that Bryan has been trying to be more like him lately (and doing it well).
Darth Executor on January 20, 2008 at 2:24 PM
By the way, side by side comparisons like the one you submitted are quite effective. Nice work.
RushBaby on January 20, 2008 at 2:24 PM
My caucus has already passed, I am just waiting for the rest of the party to decide who they are going to nominate and whether that person will be acceptable to me. If that person is acceptable I will be behind them.
Gianni on January 20, 2008 at 2:27 PM
And that’s all you can do. Sounds good.
davenp35 on January 20, 2008 at 2:28 PM
McCain’s stand on shamnesty, his swapping spit with libs in the Senate, his comments regarding “conservative values” that he does not honestly vote or live up to make him clearly unacceptable for conservatives.
Waterboarding is a necessary tool when dealing with those who view beheading, kidnapping, and mass murder by suicide bombing as fair tactics. McCain is out of touch with every reality that faces America today. His opposition to extending the Bush Tax Cuts speaks poorly for his understanding of the economy as well.
He is clearly unacceptable, unless you are a Democrat!
old trooper on January 20, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Ah. Okay, I misunderstood the ‘down the well’ comment then. I like ‘em both too.
Spirit of 1776 on January 20, 2008 at 2:33 PM
McCain: The Non-Vehicular HYBRID
Pick him as the Nominee……….and it’s Bob Dole ALL OVER AGAIN….
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21615320@N06/2207225406/
awesum on January 20, 2008 at 2:47 PM
fred5678, please post this on every OT thread. I live about 15-20 min. from where this is located. Immediately adjacent to it are homes in the multi-million dollars range. Yes, many, many of them are owned by elitist liberals and callous exploitative Capitalists. It is not unusual for ‘perfect’ spoiled ladies, in their super expensive toy cars, to pick up serfs from these camps for labor.
Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Indeed. Every populace deserves its leaders.
Entelechy on January 20, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Who’s asking you to abandon your principles? I think the argument is that voting for an imperfect, even deeply flawed candidate is a better decision than leaving the fate of the presidency in the hands of the left wing party by default.
And, as far as the candidate being “picked by others”? You got me there, buddy – I don’t know how to answer that one.
Priscilla on January 20, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Sorry Thacker, I had to step away for a while. You may just get that chance. (but for a differant reason) I am in Texas and currently our polls show Huck in the lead. And yes, I consider that also a case of massive stupidity. We have McCain in second, again, massive stupidity. Unfortunatly very few people base their decision on whom to vote for on anything more than the nightly news. My own Father among them. When he expressed support for McCain the other day and I ask him why, he said “because the dems are afraid of him”. After I reminded him of McCains stance on ammnesty, tax cuts, the gang of 14 and the fact that he said in 2004 that he more closly identified with the Democrats and John Kerry, he changed his mind. And then asked, why don’t I hear about this stuff on the news?
You see, this is where the bulk of our seniors still turn for information about candidates. That is our problem, the MSM want McCain to win the nomination because they can slaughter him after that. So they say nothing but great things about him now. He is well known for his foul temper and profane outbursts. Just Goggle “McCain, Temper” and see all the examples you get. He blows all the time and yet it is left out of the news. They know they can torpedo him after the nomination and he will melt down. All it will take is one time and you will see that on the nightly news every night between then and November. Along with a heap of stories about his stablity and ability to lead this nation.
But for now we will continue to get from the news that McCain is a maverick, the dems are scared to death of him, he is really tough on immigration, and……Oh yeah, he is a war hero!!!!!!
conservnut on January 20, 2008 at 3:33 PM
I don’t know if these have been mentioned earlier in the thread, but the greatest antidote to amnesia on McCain are these two articles.
First, from December 30, 2007:
Patrick Ruffini: Flashback: The Real John McCain in which he comments on and reprints an old The New Republic column by Jonathan Chait titled, Why John McCain is the Democrats’ best hope. What’s in a Name?.
Ruffini makes some comments on various aspects of the column and then says:
He then posts the entire TNR article. Since it is dated from 2002, it doesn’t even include the amnesty fights.
INC on January 20, 2008 at 3:34 PM
The second, from January 11, 2008:
Mark Levin: The Real McCain Record
Levin doesn’t mince words with the facts, the links and his opinion of McCain.
INC on January 20, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Which party is the left wing party? I’m having trouble telling them apart at this point.
Gianni on January 20, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Both parties can go to hell. One supports Marxists the other one pro-Amnesty morons and pandering Jesus freaks.
Igor R. on January 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Before you convince yourself that Hillary and McCain are the same, ask somebody on active duty who has been in the sandbox. Ask lots of them to get a statistically significant result. I doubt the results would surprise you.
funky chicken on January 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM
It’s not over yet…
There’s still time to defeat Mccain!
We can’t let Mccain turn the republican party into the amnesty party!
Hildebeast is grinning from ear to ear today!
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Yeah, we can instead let Huck turn it into the amnesty party. Yay.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Yeah, we can instead let Huck turn it into the amnesty party. Yay.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Considering that Huck has THE strongest plan to end illegal immigration and is the only one opposed to amnesty…your statement is pretty ridiculous.
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=26
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM
I’m with you man.
Gianni on January 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM
I’m with you man.
Gianni on January 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM
I think a lot of us are with you. Is it too late for a third party?
SimplyKimberly on January 20, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Plans are jack compared to what he actually did as governor.
MadisonConservative on January 20, 2008 at 4:42 PM
It’s better than a man who is THE one responsible for the shamnesty bill and whose plans and record both call for shamnesty.
HaraldHardrada on January 20, 2008 at 4:58 PM
WARNING! Rambling rant below!
I think the emphasis on winning the presidency is important. However, the real threat of shamnesty, and the dream act originated in congress. Bush was COMPLETELY behind it, (remember his “see you at the signing” comment just before it was defeated?) and still it failed. The house members must face re-election every 2 years, so are a perfect target for grass roots action. Defeating senators running for re-election who supported amnesty THIS year will send a stronger message than any other vote. Lindsay Graham should be #1 on the defeat list. He was a STOOGE for McCain-Kennedy and amnesty. He has changed his “tune” lately, but when I see that silly grin beaming behind McCain speeches, I know he’s a liar. Don’t forget his award from La Raza, and his now almost forgotten line….Graham to La Raza…“We’re gonna tell the bigots to shut up”… Don’t forget, the bigots he speaks of are US!
Contribute to, or otherwise support his primary opponent if possible. Defeating him in the PRIMARY would be the ultimate insult, and maybe it would change some future votes re: amnesty in the senate. Also, for me it would remove the angst I would feel if I had to cheer his DEM opponent in the fall.
Re: “Dingy” Harry:
Nevada party registration:
Dem=40.2%
Rep=39.3%
Other=20.5%
2004 election
Reid 61% spent > 7 million
Ziser 35% spent647k
Other 4%
1998 election
Reid 48% * spent 4.9 million
Ensign 48% spent 3.4 ”
Other 4%
*Reid won by 428 votes, Ensign won the next senate seat.
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In my opinion, those Republicans/conservatives who choose to sit out this election because
“their man” isn’t the nominee are making a grave mistake. Those who do vote but abstain or do a write-in for POTUS may not understand how their “protest” affects their greater goals.
Most political blogs and news programming on politics are focused on the presidential race to the exclusion of what will happen in congressional races.
My concerns:
Sitting it out will produce a greater popular vote victory for the DEMS. No, that’s not going to determine the outcome, but it WILL be used to strengthen the “mandate” claims of Hillary or Obama and their supporters.
Casting a “protest” vote will be just as damaging. Many MSM talking heads will use the protest votes to cheer the last vestiges of the Reagan revolution/coalition, etc. The protest votes will all be “credited” to the fractured REP party. If anyone thinks there will be a significant protest vote on the DEM side, I think you don’t appreciate the philosophy in the party that a win for ANY woman or ANY black will be the sweetest victory ever.
I’m a NV resident and am misrepresented by “dingy harry” Reid. No, I’m not a “ditto head”, but the irony of this wimp being tagged with this particular title still makes me laugh. (And I don’t get many laughs in this election cycle). Reid still can’t shake a fist without trembling.
John Ensign, our other senator, lost to Reid in 1998 by 428 votes out of 435,790. Reid won reelection (2004) over a near unknown Richard Ziser, an evangelical Christian who got almost no financial support from NV or national REP party. Reid was able to outspend Ziser $7 million to $647,000, and won 61% to 36% with 4% voting “other”. Maybe Ziser was set up, being given enough support to be the weakest REP nominee after Reid’s close call in 1998?
*Reid won by 428 votes,
No matter what the rhetoric on either side:
The abortion debate won’t be settled by this election. The war on terrorism, and the US battle against it won’t turn on a dime as the result of this election. Our role in the war in
Iraq will not stop or even change in a dramatic way immediately, whichever way the presidential election goes. Economic stimulus will be applied to reduce the possibility of a recession no matter which party wins the WH. No health care system reform will be perfect, and it’s doubtful a comprehensive solution will implemented in the upcoming 4 year term.
*Reid won by 428 votes,
BUT only grass roots outrage STOPPED a pro illegal alien president, teamed with liberal cohorts McCain/Kennedy/Reid/Graham, etc. from SNEAKING the CIR legislation to passage in near secrecy, in the darkness, with NO debate. NEVER TO BE UNDONE!
Had it passed both the senate and house, no doubt GWB already had a copy of the signature page (editable) on his desk with his pen in hand, and it would be law today.
The argument over whether the law was “amnesty” or not is immaterial. It would have granted immediate LEGAL status to all illegals here and hordes more who could come and represent to the government’s satisfaction that they qualified by stating they were here before the “deadline”. Criminals? YES, in most instances. Known gang members? Well, they would have had to RENOUNCE their gang affiliations first! McCain was co-author and THE republican force behind this in the senate. Proponents of the law insist to this day it is not amnesty, because it included a “penalty” to be imposed on all IA’s. So, by that reasoning, how low could the “penalty” have gone and still not technically be amnesty? $100? $20? $5? Would it not be amnesty if it was amended later to have a waiver for those who couldn’t afford it?
Are you willing to sacrifice your vote for house or senate seats when the “I am woman, hear me roar” crowd votes in record numbers? Or when Sharpton, Jackson, Bubba, Carter, Villarigosa,and others of their ilk motivate liberal-minded voters like never before. (Don’t look for anything anti-fem or racist here, folks, nothing to see, move along.)
How about those state or local races? Or those spending measures? Think the newly motivated on the other side won’t vote a straight ticket of DEMS and lavish spending measures and bond issues for anything containing trigger words like “children”, “education”,”families”, “the poor”, “failing bridges”, mortgage relief,”environmental (insert favorite)here”, etc?
Please reconsider not voting and/or protest votes. When the nominees are determined, reach deep, hold your nose, gag, or puke, if you must, but vote for the candidate CLOSEST to your principals, please.
PS. For those who bash RR for his stance on immigration in 1986, give him a break?
Look at the increase in the problem since he left office 20 years ago. Should he have seen the full extent of the islamo-facism threat we live with today, too?
loaner on January 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM
The need for an independent conservative party has never been greater. It would have to be a centrist party in the fashion of the true blue-dog democrats for the truly dis-infranchised majority in this country could easily justify getting on the bandwagon. That said, we could elect conservatives and appoint conservative judges and let the chips fall where they may.
If a party like this could get off the ground the Democrat party would eat itself and the RINOs would wilt like a springflower at tonight’s Lambeau game.
Griz on January 20, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Sorry, if the party tells me they don’t want me then I will not vote for them.
Gianni on January 20, 2008 at 8:30 PM
So how else to we tell the Republican Party to get their
S$!t together? Aparently they aren’t getting the message. The primaries are where WE get to choose. That way we don’t have to choose between a far left Dem and a leftist RINO. Aparently “Uber Conservative” South Carolina isn’t so “conservative” after all… or they have short, short memories. The same people who flipflopped on Shamnesty (Hello “Amnesty-Mel” Martinez) are the same people running the RNC. No, I think a message is in order. Just like when I sent in Michelle’s “Bush” Pesos in my donation envelope. I wasn’t kidding. This is not about throwing a “temper tantrum” because my candidate didn’t catch on. It’s about supporting a pary that claims to support my values and outlook… but after elected, does the opposite. Then proceeds to call me (US) names when there is protest. This is a battle for the heart and soul of the republican party. We have noone to blame but ourselves for not picking a better candidate in the primaries. There should be NO POLITICAL AMNESTY FOR JOHN MCCAIN!
Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself this:
question: Does John McCain represent conservative values? (ex: limited government, power down to states/local gov’t; individual responsibility; 2nd Amendment Rights; Lower Taxes; Lower Spending; Strong National Defense; Peace through strength; free markets; energy independence)
How many said “No”?
How many said “Yes” with a straight face?
How many said “Yes”, but chuckled, cracked a smile, or felt guilty for lying to yourself?
BadBrad on January 20, 2008 at 8:42 PM
I’d settle for a Libertarian Candidate that wasn’t a wackjob… I’m tellin’ ya… if Ron Paul wasn’t so damn
B-A-F (”Blame America First”) I’d vote for him. If you acutally let the guy explain some of his wacked out positions on the constitution… he has valid, reasonable, and constitutional points of view. And just about the time you start recognizing that fact… he starts on about 9-11 and how we bring terrorism on ourselves… that is when I tend to ask “Who is this guy and what planet did he come from?”
BadBrad on January 20, 2008 at 8:50 PM
ARROGANCE!
No, Conservatives will NOT vote for McCain in the fall and will NOT be cheering for the New Direction Democrats either. Conservatives will simply stay home…
DfDeportation on January 20, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Unfortunately DfD you are correct sir! They will honorably stay home instead of voting for non-conservatives. We’ll just have to wait 4 years to do a Ronny landslide thing all over again after the democ-rats foul everything up for 4 years.
countywolf on January 20, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Loser.
Tzetzes on January 21, 2008 at 12:55 AM
Or, rather, Perdedor.
Tzetzes on January 21, 2008 at 12:57 AM
I DON’T trust this man on the illegal immigration issues. I DON’T see this man as a conservative. I get the impression that he’s got it figured out what to say about the border fence that would dovetail with his shamnesty plan after the fact.
McCain SUCKS.
Ernest on January 21, 2008 at 9:44 AM
MB, this is ot, and the markets discussion is already ot on the Saudi Arabian women, but I always wanted to ask what kind of animals, wild, and domesticated, you have on the property.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Of all God’s creatures, the only one that cannot be made slave of the leash.
MB4 on January 22, 2008 at 2:32 AM
Women and cats?
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 2:35 AM
Btw, that link with the xxx vs. cnn, if clicked goes to site other than investments…just so you know.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 2:42 AM
I noticed that.
Sometimes trouble just seems to seek me out.
MB4 on January 22, 2008 at 2:48 AM
That’s because you are trouble, but don’t go changing :)
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 2:53 AM
Sie kämmt ihr goldenes Haar,
Sie kämmt es mit goldenem Kamme,
Und singt ein Lied dabei;
Das hat eine wundersame,
Gewalt’ge Melodei.
Den Schiffer im kleinen Schiffe,
Ergreift es mit wildem Weh;
Er schaut nicht die Felsenriffe,
Er schaut nur hinauf in die Höh’.
Entelechy on January 22, 2008 at 3:01 AM
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