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Predictions and polls: South Carolina and Nevada; Update: Fox News calls Nevada for Mitt; Update: Fox calls Nevada for Hillary; Update: Wow — Hillary carries disputed culinary union sites? Update: Hillary wins Latinos, 64-24

posted at 1:01 pm on January 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The polls are open; last chance for Fred. Our tipsters rage against the dying of the light by pointing to the new ARG showing him jumping eight points in two days. Significant? ARG is traditionally an outlier — but they also tend to understate, not overstate, Fred’s numbers, so there may be something to this. His problem is he’s still likely to finish third behind Huck and Mac. Is a strong third enough to continue? I don’t think so but I look forward to the rationalizations tonight.

The surge to watch is towards Huckabee. Most of the polls earlier this week had him 5-7 points behind McCain and holding steady, but of the last six taken, two show them tied, one shows him just a point behind, and that same ARG poll that’s brought hope to Fredville has him exploding to 33%, seven points ahead of Mac. InTrade actually has Huck favored slightly to win at the moment. McCain’s always struck me as too squishy to win a state like SC whereas the “Christian leader” is conservative enough about the right things. I say Huck in an upset, which means a four-man death match in Florida with no clear favorite and an ever-increasing chance of the confederate flag and the difference between gay marriage and bestiality becoming issues in the general election. Super.

Nevada looks like a walkover for Mitt but one poll last week actually showed Maverick ahead. If he wins there today and holds on in SC, oh lord. The Dem race is actually more interesting than the GOP’s given the electoral shenanigans and the fact that Hillary needs it badly to cut into Obama’s lead in SC (where the Dems don’t vote until next week) by re-convincing black voters that he can’t really win. Too close to call right now; I’m going to say Hillary wins, with every pundit and his mama talking about the Latino vote afterwards.

Sound off in the comments. While we wait for results, Byron York imagines the Thompson campaign that might have been…

Update: I wrote the above half an hour ago but it’s 1 p.m. right now and Fox is calling it for Mitt. What does this do to South Carolina now, where the polls are still open? Do undecideds break for Romney?

Political Wire said results weren’t expected until 3:30 ET; it must be a blowout. The Dem results are due at five and those will certainly be closer.

Update: Here’s a little Saturday morning nuance re: Mitt’s claim that he’s the candidate of change. And here’s yet another issue you can expect to hear about for months on end if Huckabee’s the nominee.

Update: You can follow the Nevada results for both parties here. Meanwhile, morning turnout in SC is low. Hmmm.

Update: Actually, the Dem results might be faster at the state party website.

Update: The AP says Nevada’s Mormons turned out big for their guy:

About a quarter of Nevada GOP voters were Mormon, and virtually all of them preferred Mitt Romney. Overall, about half of Romney’s Nevada votes came from Mormons. Among non-Mormons, he had a slight lead over Ron Paul…

People calling themselves Republicans dominated the Nevada GOP caucuses, and they overwhelmingly preferred Romney. Independents just as heavily picked Ron Paul. Conservatives also were in the majority, and they picked Romney.

Update: I don’t know where Geraghty’s getting his info but very early exit polls in Carolina apparently have McCain and Huck close and Mitt and Fred back a ways. Plus, early signs of a “Diebold effect”!

Update: It’s 2:50 and the very first results in Nevada are coming in for the Democrats. Keep your eyes on that state party page.

Update: She did it. With 78% reporting and a six-point lead, Fox calls it for Hillary. The effect of this on the SC race next week will be interesting. Expect the Messiah to appeal to black voters there to be his firewall. ABC asks a good question, too: With Silky tanking completely, even in a big union state, does he pull out now ahead of SC and free up his supporters to break for Obama?

Update: Remember that guy at Luntz’s focus group who warned people not to count on Obama winning the culinary workers despite the union endorsement because of the large Latino demographic? He might have been right. The Las Vegas Sun says Hillary carried six of the nine at-large sites on the strip and may end up with seven.

Update: A forty-point margin for the Glacier among Latinos. Amazing.


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Dems are too close to call, but can we at least call John Edwards a loser…I mean the loser?

tommuck on January 19, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Wheres John !

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 3:56 PM

bnelson, how many Mormons are in Florida? lol

froghat on January 19, 2008 at 3:57 PM

When are pundits going to remind everyone that McCain got handled near his back yard? Everyone was all over Romney for “losing” NH with McCain cackling like a school girl. McCain better shore up his home turf, or he’s going to continue bleeding on the home front.

Cold Steel on January 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Other than fighting over Colorado River water, there really is no relationship between NV and AZ to speak of. To call NV McCain’s back yard is foolish. Los Vegas has more in common with Los Angeles than Phoenix.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Carl Cameron just said that any voter can choose to vote for either party in this SC primary, but that, they then have to vote for the same party in the general election.

I know this was posted much earlier in this thread but I wanted to clear up this misinformation.

A person voting in the SC presidential primary can vote in one party’s primary but not the other. In the subsequent state and local primaries, to be held in June, they again vote in one party’s primary but not the other. It does not have be the same party as the one they voted in during the presidential primary.

Neither of these has any bearing on how a person votes in the general elections. A person walking into the booth in November has all the candidates for both parties on the ballot. They may vote a straight ticket for either party or a split ticket.

I don’t know if Carl Cameron actually said what he is alleged to have said, but as someone who has been voting in SC for 30 years, I know better.

backwoods conservative on January 19, 2008 at 3:58 PM

How funny is it that dems are accusing dems of intimidating voters! I thought only republicans did that! LOL

And those awful unions using strong arm tactics to influence their members! Ban all unions!! LOL

ctmom on January 19, 2008 at 3:58 PM

bnelson, how many Mormons are in Florida? lol

froghat on January 19, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Why?

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Team Romney is predicting a McCain win in South Carolina?

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:00 PM

This is a test posting. Ignore.

There is nothing significant in this box.

In fact, don’t read this. No Original Theory, nothing. You’re wasting a lot of time. I can’t imagine why people just like you would read this but they do. By the way, you’re halfway through already so stop right there. Read an interesting article like Diet of worms, or, dispute whatever. If you are not going to stop reading this, well I will. Look, I have a lot of things to do, so I’ll just stop writing right now. Bam! Vamoose! Sayonara. Good bye. Areverderci. Au’revoire. Salut. Sai tien. Paalam.??. I really have to go bye. out.

apacalyps on January 19, 2008 at 4:00 PM

There is nothing significant in this box.

In fact, don’t read this. No Original Theory, nothing.
apacalyps on January 19, 2008 at 4:00 PM

OK

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:01 PM

Team Romney is predicting a McCain win in South Carolina?

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Heh

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Team Romney is predicting a McCain win in South Carolina?

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:00 PM

To downplay a McCain win and play up a Mitt win. Its SOP

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:03 PM

You Fredheads are cute. Really. .

FRED-ALANCHE ‘08!!

CliffHanger on January 19, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Thanks- we try.

Ex-tex on January 19, 2008 at 4:03 PM

With 65% in…

Clinton – 50.25%
Obama – 45.06%
Edwards – 4.43%
Uncommitted – 0.22%
Kucinich – 0.04%
Gravel – oh who cares, you know he’s not getting a damn thing

Wineaholic on January 19, 2008 at 4:03 PM

It depends on FL. If Rudy wins big in FL he may be able to bounce back. After all, that was his strategy from the beginning.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 3:49 PM

But everybody said Mitt cannot win Florida, with Rudy the well known “front runner”.
My analysis is simply to point out, how, especially primary polls change, as a candidate gains momentum.

Because it’s ultimately about winning the general. Notice also how the “general election” polls changed dramatically over time with Rudy and Fred and then Huckabee “dropping off”.

This just shows that the general election polls are virtually worthless in the primaries.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 4:03 PM

According to http://www.lds.org, there are 127,319 Mormons in Florida.

EyeSurgeon on January 19, 2008 at 4:05 PM

This is a test posting. Ignore.

There is nothing significant in this box.

Typical post from alpacalips.

Deety on January 19, 2008 at 4:05 PM

To downplay a McCain win and play up a Mitt win. Its SOP

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Indeed. I had heard they were predicting, but I hadn’t seen any confirmation. Just got it from Geraghty, so I could update my site.

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Breaking News: John McCain calls Mitt Romney “a little jerk”… developing….

froghat on January 19, 2008 at 4:07 PM

CNN calls it for Clinton in NV!

CliffHanger on January 19, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Fox just called Nevada caucus for Hillary.

Bugler on January 19, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Fox calls it for HRC.

fourstringfuror on January 19, 2008 at 4:08 PM

CNN calls NV for CLinton.

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:08 PM

But everybody said Mitt cannot win Florida, with Rudy the well known “front runner”.
My analysis is simply to point out, how, especially primary polls change, as a candidate gains momentum.

Because it’s ultimately about winning the general. Notice also how the “general election” polls changed dramatically over time with Rudy and Fred and then Huckabee “dropping off”.

This just shows that the general election polls are virtually worthless in the primaries.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Modern primaries tend to be about momentum. The candidate that gains momentum early and holds onto it through the early states normally takes the nomination. That is not necessarily the same with the general election.

People examine both candidates and both parties during the general. They then, usually, vote for the candidate/party they most identify with or, quite frequently, think will cause the least amout of harm.

There is a different dynamic in primaries than in the general. I suspect Mitt knows this. He appears to be quite an astute politician.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:09 PM

South Carolina is bigger for the Dems. That is the race to watch

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:09 PM

CBS predicts Clinton, too.

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Breaking news: John McCain is a jerk.. developing

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 4:10 PM

CNN calls NV for CLinton.

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:08 PM

I know intellectually I should be rooting for her, but I was rooting for Obama. Too bad.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Don’t look know but Kucinich is making a late surge….

Limerick on January 19, 2008 at 4:10 PM

With 71% in…

Clinton – 50.35%
Obama – 45.02%
Edwards – 4.36%

Yeah, just saw the calls for Clinton. She is winning Clark County 54-43 (by about 600 votes), which is big considering that the state totals only have her and Obama off by 400.

Wineaholic on January 19, 2008 at 4:10 PM

From Politico:

Asked what his plans were for Monday, Thompson repeated the question: “Plans for Monday currently?”

“It depends on the outcome,” Thompson admitted. “We’ll see.”

Big S on January 19, 2008 at 4:11 PM

b44,
Ditto on all your points.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 4:12 PM

AP calls it for Hillary in NV.

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Don’t look know but Kucinich is making a late surge….

Limerick on January 19, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Yeah with 75% of the Pricincts reporting he is up to 5 votes.

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:13 PM

I read that the casino caucuses results are not in yet, they should favor Obama

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 4:13 PM

MSNBC calls it for Hill, too.

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:14 PM

From the corner:

What about Tuesday’s caucus in Louisiana, to which no one has paid much attention? I’m told that Thompson is the only one who has been playing the caucus seriously, but that there is also a movement by conservatives there to send uncommitted delegates to the state convention who can have an effect in shaping the state party platform. Either way, with only eleven caucus sites throughout the state, no one is going to take that contest as seriously as the others.

If McCain pulls it out today in South Carolina — I’m told this hour by another campaign that this appears likely — then Florida becomes the last stand for “Everyone vs. McCain.” (I’m also told that the weather is not as bad in South Carolina as some had feared, but I am not there myself so I can hardly say.)

No one has managed to win two major primaries in a row, and if McCain becomes the first to do so on Jan. 29, then the move toward him in the national polls could be all he needs for a strong Super Tuesday. Otherwise, it becomes a bloody delegate-hunt that could be good and bad for the GOP in different ways.

froghat on January 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Yeah with 75% of the Pricincts reporting he is up to 5 votes.

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:13 PM

5? I only see 4, with 74.93% reporting. Missing votes! RECOUNT!

Wineaholic on January 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Breaking news: John McCain is a jerk.. developing

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Straight talk!!

I swear, all the news outlets, FNC included, pimp for this guy. Yep I feel bad that he was a POW, nope I don’t want him in the driver seat.

Onager on January 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM

To round off the networks, ABC News calls it for Hill, too.

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:16 PM

I feel like an expectant father or something today…nerves are a wreck…

C’mon FRED!

JetBoy on January 19, 2008 at 4:16 PM

5? I only see 4, with 74.93% reporting. Missing votes! RECOUNT!

Wineaholic on January 19, 2008 at 4:15 PM

I think Harry Reid changed his vote at the last minute

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Let the infighting among the democrats continue! The latino vote would never vote for Obama. I wonder if any democrats will call for an investigation into seeing if illegals voted.

SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Asked what his plans were for Monday, Thompson repeated the question: “Plans for Monday currently?”

“It depends on the outcome,” Thompson admitted. “We’ll see.”
Big S on January 19, 2008 at 4:11 PM

figures.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Edwards coming in with about 5%. Wonder when he is going to drop out of the race?

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Why is it taking so long for the republican precincts to come in for Nevada. The Dems. started reporting in when the repubs. were at thirty-eight%. An hour later, the Dems. have reported 70% and the Repubs. are still at thirty-eight%. What’s the dilly-yo?

Weight of Glory on January 19, 2008 at 4:20 PM

See ya in Florida:

Fred is staying in even if he ends up in third in SC:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/thompson_plans.html

Fred!

http://www.fred.08

redneck hippie on January 19, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Ohh man

“When are you and Huckabee going to team up?” one well-wisher asked as Thompson gripped his hand.

“We are teamed up,” Thompson quipped. “We’re teamed up beating on each other.”

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Let the infighting among the democrats continue! The latino vote would never vote for Obama. I wonder if any democrats will call for an investigation into seeing if illegals voted.

SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 4:17 PM

According to the CNN entrance polls, Obama received 79% of the African American vote and Clinton received 64% of the Latino vote (Obama got 24% of it). However, and what I thought was interesting, 16% of the voters were African American and only 14% were Latino. There is, surely, a larger Latino population in NV than that.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:21 PM

I see Ron Paul is still carrying the prositute vote.

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM

There is, surely, a larger Latino population in NV than that.

you bet, they just don’t have papers

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM

See ya in Florida:

Fred is staying in even if he ends up in third in SC:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/thompson_plans.html

Fred!

http://www.fred.08

redneck hippie on January 19, 2008 at 4:20 PM

So why isn’t he on a plane now? Mitt is.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Huh. Yeah, I thought there’d be a higher Latino turnout.

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Fred has to travel to Florida in a used bus. hahah no money left.

froghat on January 19, 2008 at 4:24 PM

I’m going to say Hillary wins, with every pundit and his mama talking about the Latino vote afterwards.

You mean the “Mexican” vote. Let’s call it what it is.

repvoter on January 19, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Fred is staying in even if he ends up in third in SC:

Which won’t matter when he takes 4th today.

davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 4:24 PM

The NV Latinos have lots of papers. They’re just fraudulent papers.

AZCoyote on January 19, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Edwards – 4.36%

Heh. Couldn’t have happened to a bigger douche.

Jaibones on January 19, 2008 at 4:25 PM

I see Ron Paul is still carrying the prositute vote.

Were they also able to vote at their work-places?

Whoo-Hoo!

Who says die-hard Trekkies can never get laid?

Deety on January 19, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Heh. Couldn’t have happened to a bigger douche.

Jaibones on January 19, 2008 at 4:25 PM

I wonder how well he faired amongst union voters.

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM

So why isn’t he on a plane now? Mitt is.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Rumor has it that he’s going to Nashville, not Florida. I don’t remember where I read that, but I’m pretty sure I’m not making it up.

Big S on January 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM

bnelson, how many Mormons are in Florida? lol

froghat on January 19, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Well let’s see, 2,,,4,,,6,,,8,,10

10, there are 10 Mormans in FL.

TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Edwards – 4.36%

Heh. Couldn’t have happened to a bigger douche.

Jaibones on January 19, 2008 at 4:25 PM

There are two Americas. John Edwards and the rest of America.

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Rumor has it that he’s going to Nashville, not Florida. I don’t remember where I read that, but I’m pretty sure I’m not making it up.

Big S on January 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Fox just reported that he is going to TN to visit his mother. Then he will more than likely skip FL and focus on GA. That’s what Fox is reporting anyway.

Weight of Glory on January 19, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!

I almost forgot. I get complacent now that I am so sure of his success.

TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 4:29 PM

According to the CNN entrance polls, Obama received 79% of the African American vote and Clinton received 64% of the Latino vote (Obama got 24% of it). However, and what I thought was interesting, 16% of the voters were African American and only 14% were Latino. There is, surely, a larger Latino population in NV than that.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:21 PM

How many of them are legal, though? Although I’d suspect the democrats, especially the Clintons, would let them vote.

SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Weight of Glory on January 19, 2008 at 4:29 PM

I can be 100% certain that I did not hear it in Fox. I read it online a few hours ago, but don’t remember the source. It’s probably true.

Big S on January 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Paul’s hometown paper is reporting he’s considering an Independent Run, notes the Democrats that support his Foreign Policy.

http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=0d3130e3a25f177d

jp on January 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM

I was disappointed that Uncommitted didn’t generate any bigger momentum coming out of that 2nd place finish in Michigan

Dudley Smith on January 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM

I see Ron Paul is still carrying the prositute vote.
Were they also able to vote at their work-places?

Whoo-Hoo!

Who says die-hard Trekkies can never get laid?

Deety on January 19, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Maybe they were playing World of Wh0recraft ?

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:35 PM

How many of them are legal, though?

SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Duh! At least 51% of em! Remember “no woman is illegal”.

Deety on January 19, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Remember that guy at Luntz’s focus group who warned people not to count on Obama winning the culinary workers despite the union endorsement because of the large Latino demographic? He might have been right.

I thought he was right when he said it. Someone show me where Obama was supposed to come up with Hispanic support?

Jaibones on January 19, 2008 at 4:38 PM

I think the number of reporting republican precincts will be at thirty-eight percent until tomorrow.

Weight of Glory on January 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM

amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM

I don’t know if Nevada is a big union state, outside of the casinos, but I think it’s safe to say “not real well”.

Where are the SC updates? I can’t find anything, anywhere.

Jaibones on January 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM

I’ve long had Mitt as my first choice and Fred as my second. It’s pretty messed up that liberals like Huckabee and McAmnesty would get more votes than Fred. I, like many on here, would love to see Mitt pick Fred as a running mate, but I doubt he’d accept and we’ll probably never know as this would only be discussed behind the scenes. That being said, I will lose a LOT of respect for Fred if he endorses McAmnesty, who I consider to be the least conservative of all the Republicans running.

davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Paul’s hometown paper is reporting he’s considering an Independent Run, notes the Democrats that support his Foreign Policy.

http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=0d3130e3a25f177d

jp on January 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM

That would be good news for the Republicans

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I hope Huckabee wins SC to blunt McCain. Since Huck is trailing in FL already, it’s better for us if he wins SC than if McCain did.

HYTEAndy on January 19, 2008 at 4:42 PM

It would be great if Paul ran third party. I can see it now as the dems and Republicans keep the 3rd party candidates out of debates they would get together to hold their own debate.

With Cynthia McKinney running as a Green and Ron Paul running and maybe the communist party candidate that would be a lot of crazy in a little bitty stage.

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM

I thought he was right when he said it. Someone show me where Obama was supposed to come up with Hispanic support?

Jaibones on January 19, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Well I think he got the Union Endorsement, but as I said in the thread that talked about the guy in the Luntz group, I too am Spanish, and since their boy Richardson got knocked off they fear they will be forgotten if another minority is elected. Its not racism, its culture.

Just because a union endorsea a candidate doesnt mean they will get the pluraility. Didnt they founder of the Minutemen endorse Huckafool but the rank and file say “hes not OUR guy”

broker1 on January 19, 2008 at 4:44 PM

That would be good news for the Republicans

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:40 PM

yeah, I figure if he hurts the dems more than the repubs then the media will be forced to actually report on the newsletters and conspiracy past/present. If I was Paul I would take my money and retire, retain cult hero status.

jp on January 19, 2008 at 4:46 PM

I just think this is another example of how Union Leadership is and has been out of touch with its membership. Obviously the two have different priorities.

broker1 on January 19, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Hillary wins Latinos, 64-24

There goes Bill Richardson’s VP Chances if Hillary doesnt need him

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:49 PM

broker1,

I think that for quite some time Union support has been more important to Democrats in terms of $$$ than an ability to garner coherent support at the polls.

Deety on January 19, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Anyone know what the historical average turnout for Nevada democrats might be?

Doesn’t it seem that the dem numbers are minuscule?

Ron Paul had almost as many votes as Hillary?

rockhauler on January 19, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Anyone know what the historical average turnout for Nevada democrats might be?

Doesn’t it seem that the dem numbers are minuscule?

Ron Paul had almost as many votes as Hillary?

rockhauler on January 19, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Are you looking at the number of voters or the number of delegates? The 2 parties have different total possible state delegates to their local conventions.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Hillary wins Latinos, 64-24
There goes Bill Richardson’s VP Chances if Hillary doesnt need him

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Gee, after all that sucking up Richardson did, too.
Shame.

AZCoyote on January 19, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Aw crap, Fox just reported an expect 107k turnout. The numbers they are posting are no where near that with 85/51 percent reporting in.

rockhauler on January 19, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Update: A forty-point margin for the Glacier among Latinos. Amazing.

Actually no. I don’t know what the politics in NYC are like but hispanics and blacks have been clashing in Chicago over schools for quite awhile.

Bill C on January 19, 2008 at 4:55 PM

I worry about paul becoming a ‘protest vote’ for some of the sane conservatives, since so many are looking for ideological purity and they all have some liberal mark on themselves.

jp on January 19, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Fred just passed Huckster in NV.

wccawa on January 19, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Just looking at the raw numbers on Fox’s ticker and there was roughly 50K people who voted. I thought Nevada had more people then that.

Just A Grunt on January 19, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Its not racism, its culture.

Just because a union endorses a candidate doesn’t mean they will get the plurality. Didn’t the founder of the Minutemen endorse Huckafool but the rank and file say “hes not OUR guy”

broker1 on January 19, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Agree completely. I didn’t think it was racism, either. Hillary worked that community hard, and pandered her little pantsuit off. She lied for that vote fair and square!

Jaibones on January 19, 2008 at 5:03 PM

If You’re Looking for Democratic Exits from Nevada

Here.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Hillary wins Latinos, 64-24

No surprise.

There is a lot of racism towards Blacks among “Latinos”.

MB4 on January 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM

If You’re Looking for Republican Exits from Nevada

Here.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM

MB4 on January 19, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Ah, the view from the idiotarian right has arrived. G’day.

Jaibones on January 19, 2008 at 5:33 PM

There is a different dynamic in primaries than in the general. I suspect Mitt knows this. He appears to be quite an astute politician.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 4:09 PM

One of the reasons the dynamic is off this year is because of states like Michigan and SC screwing around with their primary dates. They lost delegates and the screwy schedule left candidates less time to campaign in between primaries.

Buy Danish on January 19, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Either there’s alot of people lying in the culinary union or there might be some real questions about whose counting the votes

Defector01 on January 19, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Romney is gonna get the nomination that is clear now. With the Economy and immigration moving to the front of voters minds he is the only choice. I hope CNN MSNBC FOX and the usual suspects pound home the point that TEAM Clinton got such a high latino vote %. The spin of health care and presents under the tree are not going to play when it counts.

TroubledMonkey on January 19, 2008 at 5:47 PM

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