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Predictions and polls: South Carolina and Nevada; Update: Fox News calls Nevada for Mitt; Update: Fox calls Nevada for Hillary; Update: Wow — Hillary carries disputed culinary union sites? Update: Hillary wins Latinos, 64-24

posted at 1:01 pm on January 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The polls are open; last chance for Fred. Our tipsters rage against the dying of the light by pointing to the new ARG showing him jumping eight points in two days. Significant? ARG is traditionally an outlier — but they also tend to understate, not overstate, Fred’s numbers, so there may be something to this. His problem is he’s still likely to finish third behind Huck and Mac. Is a strong third enough to continue? I don’t think so but I look forward to the rationalizations tonight.

The surge to watch is towards Huckabee. Most of the polls earlier this week had him 5-7 points behind McCain and holding steady, but of the last six taken, two show them tied, one shows him just a point behind, and that same ARG poll that’s brought hope to Fredville has him exploding to 33%, seven points ahead of Mac. InTrade actually has Huck favored slightly to win at the moment. McCain’s always struck me as too squishy to win a state like SC whereas the “Christian leader” is conservative enough about the right things. I say Huck in an upset, which means a four-man death match in Florida with no clear favorite and an ever-increasing chance of the confederate flag and the difference between gay marriage and bestiality becoming issues in the general election. Super.

Nevada looks like a walkover for Mitt but one poll last week actually showed Maverick ahead. If he wins there today and holds on in SC, oh lord. The Dem race is actually more interesting than the GOP’s given the electoral shenanigans and the fact that Hillary needs it badly to cut into Obama’s lead in SC (where the Dems don’t vote until next week) by re-convincing black voters that he can’t really win. Too close to call right now; I’m going to say Hillary wins, with every pundit and his mama talking about the Latino vote afterwards.

Sound off in the comments. While we wait for results, Byron York imagines the Thompson campaign that might have been…

Update: I wrote the above half an hour ago but it’s 1 p.m. right now and Fox is calling it for Mitt. What does this do to South Carolina now, where the polls are still open? Do undecideds break for Romney?

Political Wire said results weren’t expected until 3:30 ET; it must be a blowout. The Dem results are due at five and those will certainly be closer.

Update: Here’s a little Saturday morning nuance re: Mitt’s claim that he’s the candidate of change. And here’s yet another issue you can expect to hear about for months on end if Huckabee’s the nominee.

Update: You can follow the Nevada results for both parties here. Meanwhile, morning turnout in SC is low. Hmmm.

Update: Actually, the Dem results might be faster at the state party website.

Update: The AP says Nevada’s Mormons turned out big for their guy:

About a quarter of Nevada GOP voters were Mormon, and virtually all of them preferred Mitt Romney. Overall, about half of Romney’s Nevada votes came from Mormons. Among non-Mormons, he had a slight lead over Ron Paul…

People calling themselves Republicans dominated the Nevada GOP caucuses, and they overwhelmingly preferred Romney. Independents just as heavily picked Ron Paul. Conservatives also were in the majority, and they picked Romney.

Update: I don’t know where Geraghty’s getting his info but very early exit polls in Carolina apparently have McCain and Huck close and Mitt and Fred back a ways. Plus, early signs of a “Diebold effect”!

Update: It’s 2:50 and the very first results in Nevada are coming in for the Democrats. Keep your eyes on that state party page.

Update: She did it. With 78% reporting and a six-point lead, Fox calls it for Hillary. The effect of this on the SC race next week will be interesting. Expect the Messiah to appeal to black voters there to be his firewall. ABC asks a good question, too: With Silky tanking completely, even in a big union state, does he pull out now ahead of SC and free up his supporters to break for Obama?

Update: Remember that guy at Luntz’s focus group who warned people not to count on Obama winning the culinary workers despite the union endorsement because of the large Latino demographic? He might have been right. The Las Vegas Sun says Hillary carried six of the nine at-large sites on the strip and may end up with seven.

Update: A forty-point margin for the Glacier among Latinos. Amazing.


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✤Go Fred!✤ ❤Go Fred!❤ ✩Go Fred!✩ ★Go Fred!★ ✶Go Fred!✶

RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Go Mitt Go
Go Mitt Go

Defector01 on January 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Fred!

infidel on January 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM

✤Go Fred!✤ ❤Go Fred!❤ ✩Go Fred!✩ ★Go Fred!★ ✶Go Fred!✶

I live in hope too, but have a main residence in reality.

ThePrez on January 19, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Fred!

RobertInAustin on January 19, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Is a strong third enough to continue? I don’t think so but I look forward to the rationalizations spinning tonight.

Me too.

SECOND LOOK AT FRED BLOGS/THREADS TO DRUM UP HOTAIR TRAFFIC!

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 1:06 PM

Well, if Fred can win South Carolina, I’m all for it, but I don’t see it happening at all.

Personally, I think Mitt is the only one who can actually get the nomination who won’t destroy the party, so I’m glad to see the Nevada win AND Fred possibly doing well in S.C. If Fred wins, that will keep McCain and Huckster at bay while Mitt can say he has one 3 states while everyone has only won one.

At some point, the press will have to pay attention to his Wyoming and Nevada wins…right?

Nessuno on January 19, 2008 at 1:09 PM

I predict the sun will rise tomorrow.

Fred!

TexasDan on January 19, 2008 at 1:12 PM

EENTERESTING….!!

Carl Cameron just said that any voter can choose to vote for either party in this SC primary, but that, they then have to vote for the same party in the general election.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 1:13 PM

What does this do to South Carolina now, where the polls are still open? Do undecideds break for Romney?

Why would they break for Romney if it looks like he has won? I would think it would energise Thompson voters instead.

Go Fred Go!

DannoJyd on January 19, 2008 at 1:16 PM

GO FRED !

GO MITT !!

GO Anyone-but-McAmnesty-or-Huckleberry !!!

(and on the 29th I will be firmly in the GO RUDY !!!! camp)

Always Right on January 19, 2008 at 1:16 PM

What in the world has Huck done recently to justify a surge? Was it the flagpole remark? The living, breathing Constitution? The meaningless tax pledge? Color me confused about South Carolinians.

a capella on January 19, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Go Mitt!

davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Mitt!

TexasBella on January 19, 2008 at 1:18 PM

I think the lobbyist claim is overstated. IE one normally would refer to Talent as Senator, Wraith as AG, or Lazio as Representative. He could have made his point a better way, and this way is a self-inflicted wound, but is it going to have any affect? I doubt it.

If Fred gets 3rd, he’s staying in. I’d be surprised if he dropped out unless he intends to endorse Mac.

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM

And now for a little religion-baiting based on the NV exit polls:

22% of voters in NV were Mormon.
95% voted Romney, 5% for Paul.

“None” (athiests?) were 9% of the vote.
54% voted for Ron Paul.

Hollowpoint on January 19, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Is a strong third enough to continue? I don’t think so but I look forward to the rationalizations tonight.

Something to take into consideration, AP, is that on Fred’s site, he is asking to raise $1.5 mil. by the 21st. That tells me that they are expecting to do well enough to continue through Feb 5th. Otherwise, why set a goal date two days past the defeat that is supposed to terminate his candidacy?

Weight of Glory on January 19, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Carl Cameron just said that any voter can choose to vote for either party in this SC primary, but that, they then have to vote for the same party in the general election.

That doesn’t sound right.

Gerard on January 19, 2008 at 1:23 PM

If Fred gets 3rd, he’s staying in. I’d be surprised if he dropped out unless he intends to endorse Mac.

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM

I would tend to agree. Beating Romney would show some serious potential if Romney gets Nevada after getting Michigan.

MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Update: Here’s a little Saturday morning nuance re: Mitt’s claim that he’s the candidate of change

Oh NO! People who work as lobbyists are raising money for the Mitt Romney campaign! THE HORROR!

Fred Thompson was a lobbyist.

Erego, Fred Thompson cannot be considered a viable candidate because he doesn’t just have lobbyists raising money for him, a lobbyist IS the candidate.

BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 1:25 PM

the Paul people are already claiming Nevada is rigged

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1955968/posts

jp on January 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Carl Cameron just said that any voter can choose to vote for either party in this SC primary, but that, they then have to vote for the same party in the general election.

That doesn’t sound right.

Gerard on January 19, 2008 at 1:23

Yep, it’s right. I believe it’s that way in Indiana too.

Fox calls Nevada for Mitt? That’s OLD news. They did that two days ago…..

Go Fred! Go!!!!!!!!!!!

Oink on January 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Here’s a little Saturday morning nuance re: Mitt’s claim that he’s the candidate of change.

No more voting for RINO’s! Now that would be a real change and it would go against the KOS election pranks.

Go Fred Go!

DannoJyd on January 19, 2008 at 1:28 PM

It’s 10:24am as I write this. I attended the Nevada Caucus and am now a delegate to the county convention next month. Mitt does appear to have won a majority of the votes, but McCain and Paul had strength as well in the three precinct room I caucused in. He didn’t walk over everyone. I spoke for Fred and voted for him as well. I think I turned one undecided voter to Fred.

ScottG on January 19, 2008 at 1:28 PM

ABC calling NV for Mitt

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Erego, Fred Thompson cannot be considered a viable candidate because he doesn’t just have lobbyists raising money for him, a lobbyist IS the candidate.

BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Nice spin. In other words: If Romney does it, it’s fine. If Fred does it, YOU FREDHEADS NEED TO STOP WITH THE ST. THOMPSON GOD WORSHIP AND TRYING TO SLAUGHTER POOR ROMNEY!

MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:30 PM

the Paul people are already claiming Nevada is rigged

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1955968/posts

jp on January 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Rigging in NV casinos? I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:30 PM

It’s 10:24am as I write this. I attended the Nevada Caucus and am now a delegate to the county convention next month. Mitt does appear to have won a majority of the votes, but McCain and Paul had strength as well in the three precinct room I caucused in. He didn’t walk over everyone. I spoke for Fred and voted for him as well. I think I turned one undecided voter to Fred.

ScottG on January 19, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Way to go, Scott!

RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 1:31 PM

The worse thing about Mitt at Hot Air are some of his supporters.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:31 PM

to challenge assumptions, if Paul does better in Nevada than SC, will this mean there are more bigots in Nevada over South Carolina?

jp on January 19, 2008 at 1:34 PM

to challenge assumptions, if Paul does better in Nevada than SC, will this mean there are more bigots in Nevada over South Carolina?

jp on January 19, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Polly just means there are more desert rats in NV

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Go Mitt! Go Fred!

Anything to stop Juan McCain and Huckleberry.

I wonder if Huckleberry has been picking up steam in S.C. because of his (phony but well-publicized) stand against illegal immigration?

AZCoyote on January 19, 2008 at 1:36 PM

Carl Cameron just said that any voter can choose to vote for either party in this SC primary, but that, they then have to vote for the same party in the general election.

That doesn’t sound right.

Gerard on January 19, 2008 at 1:23 PM

It’s true. Carl said it. I heard it so it’s true.

It will in my estimation keep some independents home because they don’t want to be tied down in the general.
If they thought Obama would win the nomination they’d vote Democrat. But if they thought Hillary wins they’d vote Repubs.

.
.
This just in….via FNC:
All the new young voters had to register to vote by Dec. 19th.
Not good for Huckabee.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 1:36 PM

Nice spin. In other words: If Romney does it, it’s fine. If Fred does it, YOU FREDHEADS NEED TO STOP WITH THE ST. THOMPSON GOD WORSHIP AND TRYING TO SLAUGHTER POOR ROMNEY!

MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:30 PM

I was being facetious.

Lobbyists exist to raise money and win support for a cause. They’re basically the perfect money making operation.

Fredheads are so easily baited.

BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM

If Fred gets 3rd, he’s staying in. I’d be surprised if he dropped out unless he intends to endorse Mac.

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM

I’ve been in Fred’s corner from the start (thanks in part to the rest of the front-runners sucking), but if he only manages 3rd in SC I’d just assume he dropped out and ended the pain already. I couldn’t care less who he endorses or if he endorses anyone at all.

If Fred doesn’t exceed expectations in SC, it’s going to be a two-way race between Romney and McCain, with Huckster mostly hurting Romney and helping McCain to some degree. Something no one could’ve predicted 3 months ago. And I honestly won’t care which it is, because my pasty-white butt will be planted on the couch on election day.

Hollowpoint on January 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Hollowpoint on January 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM

What will haunt Fred is “if he can’t do well in the South, where can he do well?”

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Given the caucus location confusion – with potential caucus participants not knowing where to go – and the new rule effectively allowing anyone to get a ballot, the Ron Paul campaign is concerned that the confusion surrounding the caucus will both disenfranchise voters and make the election particularly susceptible to vote fraud.

Thousands of Paul supporters having shown up at auto dealerships after pointing their cars in the direction of the nearest floating blimp/baloon on the horizon are understandably confused when spamming polls proves to be unworkable strategy in real life.

Deety on January 19, 2008 at 1:40 PM

I was being facetious.

BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM

“It was satire.”

MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:41 PM

I’m afraid Ric Flair is going to pull it out for Huckabee in SC.

ninjapirate on January 19, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Why didn’t Fred choose to kneecap McCain in South Carolina?

EJDolbow on January 19, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Hollowpoint on January 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM

You might be right, but I’m not convinced of it. The altered schedule and the nature of the flow of information these days seems to have blunted the normal bumps that follow primary wins. As such whoever wins will SC today will only just catch up with Romney, and SC will not have the ability to do as normal – create the presumptive nominee. With the race still wide-open, and Huck’s silver-tongued malleablity trying to claim the mantle that is rightfully Fred’s, I don’t see any reason for him to exit without rectifying that situation and then seeing what super Tuesday gives him in the rest of the South.

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 1:46 PM

“It was satire.”

MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Look, I know Fred is tanking and you’re in a bad mood but the idea that lobbyists raising money inherently ties you to Washington big-money big-power types is ridiculous.

I will however, stand by my statement that Fredheads are easily baited.

BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Why didn’t Fred choose to kneecap McCain in South Carolina?

EJDolbow on January 19, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Fred had a better chance of pulling conservative Huck voters than moderate McCain voters.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Why didn’t Fred choose to kneecap McCain in South Carolina?

core principals

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 1:47 PM

I’ve noticed that Fox News has called the republican race earlier then other new sources in all the primaries and they have been right the every time.

Complete7 on January 19, 2008 at 1:47 PM

44% of Republican voters in Nevada are over 60 years old? Yikes.

peski on January 19, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Mitt won 46% of the vote in Nevada according to FNC.

Meanwhile, the Lobbyists story is a tempest in a teapot.

Rick Lazio and Jim Talent? So what? Are their creds as conservative Republican not enough?

I randomly checked a few names –

Eric Tannenblatt is a former Bush admin official, and was Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue’s Chief of Staff and, among other tidbits on his resume’, was vice-chair of Georgia’s Chamber of Commerce. He sounds like a great person to have on Mitt’s team.

Alberto Cardenas has great credentials too. Yes, he’s a lobbyist, but Cardenas is active in the Republican Party, having served three terms as Vice-Chairman and two terms as Chairman of the Republican Party of Florida. He was also appointed to the Executive Committee of the Republican Party, the highest policy-making board at the Republican National Committee. He was the first Hispanic to lead a major state party and remains the only Hispanic Republican Party Chairman in Florida history.

William G. Harrison is not a lobbyist as far as I can tell, but is a retired CEO/Chairman who is well-qualified to advise Romney.

I have a feeling that if I went through the names I’d find similar results, namely that Romney has highly successful businessmen and people who have been active in the Republican Party advising him on a variety of issues.

Buy Danish on January 19, 2008 at 1:48 PM

I’ve noticed that Fox News has called the republican race earlier then other new sources in all the primaries and they have been right the every time.

Complete7 on January 19, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Politico has called NV for Romney

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Fred had a better chance of pulling conservative Huck voters than moderate McCain voters.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:46 PM

There are no conservative Huck voters. Only religionists and single issue lemmings.

peski on January 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM

What will haunt Fred is “if he can’t do well in the South, where can he do well?”

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Pretty much. Had he started earlier with the aggressive Iowa and SC campaigning- with a better campaign organization- we’d be looking at a very different race I suspect.

Now? He simply ran out of time, and if he can’t win (or at least come in a close 2nd) in SC, he can’t win period.

Hollowpoint on January 19, 2008 at 1:50 PM

44% of Republican voters in Nevada are over 60 years old? Yikes.

peski on January 19, 2008 at 1:48 PM

NV: 1,043,555 total registered voters — 41% Democratic, 40% Republican, 16% Independent/non-partisan, 5% Other

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 1:50 PM

And I honestly won’t care which it is, because my pasty-white butt will be planted on the couch on election day.

Hollowpoint on January 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Your life’s strategy sure does have some hollow points.

I suggest getting a good suntan ready for election day, because that would help our country more than anything, because at least it would generate some commerce.

And please, don’t even bother to respond to me.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Give it up, Fred-heads. your boy might be the best of a mediocre field, but he’s unelectable at the national level. Too sober, too realist, too hangdog. Mitt has the pretties today’s pop-culture voter is attracted to, even though he too is droll. Cut your losses now and go with the flow. Anything wearing an elephant is still preferable to The Pantsuit, B.O., or “Tort-boy.”

whitetop on January 19, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Erego, Fred Thompson cannot be considered a viable candidate because he doesn’t just have lobbyists raising money for him, a lobbyist IS the candidate.

BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Here is what you’ll find…….

Those who justified Fred’s lobbying for scumbags, will condemn Mitt for having lobbyists lobby for him.

Mitt is a classy, honest person. Fred’s clients are scumbags.

csdeven on January 19, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 1:46 PM

I don’t mean that to read that I think Fred can win the nomination, just that there doesn’t seem to be any burning reason to bail out either and ripping on Huck as a fake conservative seems like a compelling reason to stay in me:)

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM

With the race still wide-open, and Huck’s silver-tongued malleablity trying to claim the mantle that is rightfully Fred’s, I don’t see any reason for him to exit without rectifying that situation and then seeing what super Tuesday gives him in the rest of the South.

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 1:46 PM

There’s what- 17 days to go before Super Tuesday? That’s just not enough time. I just don’t see anyone being competetive going into Super Tuesday without a single win and a bunch of 3rd and 4th place finishes.

I wish it wasn’t so, but even if reality is a cruel and unfair SOB sometimes, it’s still reality.

Hollowpoint on January 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM

somebody point out the the huge gulf in conservatism separating Mitt from Fred, scroll to bottom of each link to see overall rankings

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Fred_Thompson.htm

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM

I’m afraid Ric Flair is going to pull it out for Huckabee in SC.

ninjapirate on January 19, 2008 at 1:42 PM

And it is obvious as to why. Feel the funk.

Weight of Glory on January 19, 2008 at 1:57 PM

The issue of Thompson dropping out if he finishes third is interesting, and I think he will.

He said his dropping out wouldn’t be related to money, true. But doesn’t that indicate he is more likely to drop out then not? If he had said he’d stay in as long as he has money, we’d know he is staying in. But instead he has actually left the door open to dropping out if he finishes poorly.

Fourth place, obviously, is poor. But now that Romney has ceded the field, doesn’t third look poor as well?

Other indications that show he might be leaning toward getting out of the race are the fact that he has not announced a schedule after today. He could have easily said he is going to Florida and left it at that. Instead, he made a point to not say that.

Also, and most tellingly in my opinion, he is headed back to Nashville, Tennessee tomorrow where his mother lives. This gives Fred the perfect venue to make a speech stating he is ending his campaign.

Nessuno on January 19, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Interesting that Fox News and AP are back to calling races based on exit polling. Remeber if you go to a primary and get exit polled to please lie about your vote in the exit poll. The height of irresponsibility for the press is their desire to call elections based on exit polling. the best way to get them to stop is to knee cap them by lying in the exit poll.

paulsur on January 19, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Give it up, Fred-heads……….
…….Cut your losses now and go with the flow.

whitetop on January 19, 2008 at 1:51 PM

As I said last night, it’s a horse race… your horse doesn’t vote in this round, you gently ever so gently, put the old horse out to pasture with the mares where he can live out the remainder of his useful life,
….and hope that maybe one of his colts will do better.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM

I’ll just repeat this on this thread too…

Ya know just as one last Jab…
I would love to Vote for Fred….
he really does seem to be the most conservative.
BUT
Why would I want someone as president who cant even run a successful campaign?
seriously… If you cant play the campaign game why would you believe he could play the “president” game also?

Just saying…

Also all those folks who say that they will write Freds name in in the general election???
I hope you like Saying Hillary in Chief. Cuz, you will be.

again, Just saying…

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on January 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM

WastelandMan on January 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM

So if Mitt finishes 5th in South Carolina will he call it quits ?

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 2:01 PM

There is plenty of time for any candidate to have a Dean moment. As long as Fred! stays, he has a good chance.
Only one candidate is strong and steady on GWOT, second amendment, right to life, and other conservative principles.

Fred!

infidel on January 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM

So if Mitt finishes 5th in South Carolina will he call it quits ?

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Not after MI. Mitt is in it for the long haul now.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM

I hate to tell ya thiss but that website you quoted also puts Huck-a-schmuck in the same league as Fred and Mitt.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_huckabee.htm

Just Sayin’…

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on January 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Mitt is a classy, honest person. Fred’s clients are scumbags.

csdeven on January 19, 2008 at 1:53 PM

By that logic Mitt is a scumbag for hiring lobbyists…

doriangrey on January 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM

somebody point out the the huge gulf in conservatism separating Mitt from Fred, scroll to bottom of each link to see overall rankings

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Fred_Thompson.htm

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM

This isn’t an issues election. People are voting for who they have a good impression of, can identify with, and who looks presidential.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Don’t Look for a Romney Victory Party on the Las Vegas Strip [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

He’s in the air, en route to Jacksonville.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2ZhZjhiODQwZGI3MzY2YmYzODM4ZDgzNmI2MDQ1YTI=

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Fred seems to be doing pretty well in Nevada, pretty much a three way tie for second with McVain and the nutter…

doriangrey on January 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Not after MI. Mitt is in it for the long haul now.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM

I know I was teasing the Mitties who are asking Fred to withdrawl if he finishes 3rd

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I know I was teasing the Mitties who are asking Fred to withdrawl if he finishes 3rd

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM

‘cept Fred hasn’t won any primaries yet. Hasn’t even come in 2nd.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:10 PM

This isn’t an issues election. People are voting for who they have a good impression of, can identify with, and who looks presidential.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Then please tell me why the Huckster is doing so well…definitely not Presidential!

jwp1964 on January 19, 2008 at 2:10 PM

As I said last night, it’s a horse race… your horse doesn’t vote in this round, you gently ever so gently, put the old horse out to pasture with the mares where he can live out the remainder of his useful life,
….and hope that maybe one of his colts will do better.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM

SECOND LOOK AT BOBBY JINDAL

a capella on January 19, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Mitt is a classy, honest person.

csdeven on January 19, 2008 at 1:53 PM

So is Fred.

MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Mitt seems to be the most likely to beat Barack Hussein or Ms. Clinton. He is the only leading candidate who actually fought illegal immigration. If the early results are right . . .

THANKS NEVADA!!!

http://www.culturism.us

culturism on January 19, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Then please tell me why the Huckster is doing so well…definitely not Presidential!

jwp1964 on January 19, 2008 at 2:10 PM

People identify with him.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:12 PM

‘cept Fred hasn’t won any primaries yet. Hasn’t even come in 2nd.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:10 PM

True and I have come to the realization that Fred’s time is not yet. So that leaves me having to vote for McCain and hope he is the nominee. The election was deceided before I even voted.

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Those who justified Fred’s lobbying for scumbags, will condemn Mitt for having lobbyists lobby for him.

csdeven on January 19, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Never gave a damn about Mitt’s lobbyists, still don’t. The president is the biggest lobbyist there is, so what’s the problem?

MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Mitt is a classy, honest person.

csdeven on January 19, 2008 at 1:53 PM

So is Fred.

MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 2:11 PM

I agree with both statements

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Mitt seems to be the most likely to beat Barack Hussein or Ms. Clinton. He is the only leading candidate who actually fought illegal immigration. If the early results are right . . .

THANKS NEVADA!!!

culturism on January 19, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Not according to the Head to Head polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:13 PM

I agree with both statements

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 2:13 PM

So do I and I can’t say the same for Huck or Ron Paul

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Aaah yeah!

We haven’t seen some of these (especially one) bloviating, condescending, jackass Fredheads in days/weeks and then all of of sudden, here he comes on Fred’s last straw and what’s the first thing he says?

Right.

Same ‘ole, same old!!

Damn I will won’t miss that element of the Fred era!

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 2:15 PM

I wish I knew why the Mitties have problems with Fred ? Because if Fred drops out it doesnt mean they go to Mitt. I know I wont and Im sure others wont. Fred out of the picture doesnt improve things for Mitt

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 2:18 PM

I really like Mitt’s statement about expanding bed space at Gitmo rather than closing it in shame.

paulsur on January 19, 2008 at 2:19 PM

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 1:56 PM

How is it that they concluded that Mitt is a “Populist” conservative? That’s not what the little red dot indicates in the handy dandy chart; it has Mitt as a “Right Conservative”…like Fred Thompson.

Buy Danish on January 19, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Perhaps this will cheer you all up Frednics:

Fred and Mitt make quite a team
With one on top an elctoral dream
one has skills of organization
the other never left Ron Reagan station.

Combined they can win north south west and east
A Romney-Thompson ticket is quite a beast.
They’ll upchuck Huck and shoot down McCain
Then conservatism in America will reign.

Vote and win!
Lets begin!
To save the nation,
for out kin!

BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Then please tell me why the Huckster is doing so well…definitely not Presidential!

jwp1964 on January 19, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I have figured it out here. (scroll down/older Posts)

Not to be braggadocios here, but Huckabee is an aberration, that had it not been for the open cry Iowa caucus, he would’ve been only a vapor.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 2:20 PM

I wish I knew why the Mitties have problems with Fred ?

we don’t have problems with Fred, but apparently the voters do

windansea on January 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Not according to the Head to Head polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:13 PM

That is simply based upon name recognition and identiity politics at this point. Once we have it narrowed down to the nominees this will change.

paulsur on January 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM

So that leaves me having to vote for McCain and hope he is the nominee.

Why would anyone who considers themself a conservative ever even consider casting a vote for McAmnesty?!? I’d probably vote for both Huckabee and Paul before McCain and I can’t stand either of them.

davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 2:23 PM

That is simply based upon name recognition and identiity politics at this point. Once we have it narrowed down to the nominees this will change.

Exactly!

davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM

That is simply based upon name recognition and identiity politics at this point. Once we have it narrowed down to the nominees this will change.

paulsur on January 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Possibly. When people are faced with who they need to vote for. But, generally speaking, the General Election normally favors the more moderate candidate. Strongly conservative and strongly liberal candidates are often rejected by the electorate at that stage.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM

I am for Mitt, and this is why I am not for Fred.
Fred so far has shown me his heart is not in it. Mitt on the other hand has shon a real passion for this race.
Fred is a policy Wonk, he knows the issues real well, he just doesnt show well on the campaign trail. He comes off a little borish and un-charismatic. Meanwhile, Mitt seems very knowledgeable and passionate about his issues he is likeable and dynamic. He communicates very well.

paulsur on January 19, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Paul still doing well in NV. Looks like there is a possibility he will come in 2nd there. Should make life interesting for awhile.

Ron Paul has another “money bomb” scheduled for Monday. So if he comes in 2nd in NV, expect a lot of funds flowing to him on Monday.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:26 PM

What exactly is a gun of “unusual lethality”? Why would I want to vote for a Republican that wants to regulate them?

Vote Fred!

infidel on January 19, 2008 at 2:26 PM

CNN just projected Mitt the winner in NV on the website

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 2:29 PM

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