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Open thread: Polls closed in SC, too close to call; Update: Narrow lead for McCain? Update: “We are not blind to the obvious,” says senior Fred advisor; Update: Fred heads home

posted at 7:12 pm on January 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Barone was just on Fox saying they can’t say yet who’ll win but they know for sure who won’t — Mitt and Fred, both lagging and locked in a battle for third place. Is a 15-14 “victory” for third place enough to keep this campaign going, realistically? Nope, although he’ll be quite a thorn in Mitt’s side in Florida if he limps, especially if McCain squeaks through here.

As usual, you can follow the returns at CNN or Politico; the results have already summoned the Reaper for one GOP candidate. Heavy evangelical turnout tonight too, ominously for Huck-haters, although in fairness he’s not doing nearly as well with identity politics these days as Mitt is.

Exit question: If Huck pulls it out, will Fred send over those 25 cases of Bud?

Update: NBC’s got detailed exit polls. Maverick leads Huck by three or four points among both genders. Mitt and Fred are even among women but Romney leads by two among men.

Update: I’m not accusing Romney of playing identity politics. It’s his Mormon supporters in Nevada who are playing it. How else to explain 94% support?

Update: Fred just gave his concession speech with lots of “true conservative” boilerplate, but notably didn’t say anything about his intentions. It sounded like a farewell — “the spirit of Reagan lives on” (even if his campaign doesn’t).

Update: A chill wind blows:

While he remains in the race, two sources told CNN that “it was abundantly evident to all of us” that the bar was a win or a very competitive second place in South Carolina to continue to be viable in the GOP presidential race.

Thompson has no public schedule Sunday, and is planning to consult with campaign manager Bill Lacy and other top advisers about the next move.

“We are not blind to the obvious,” said one senior campaign adviser.

But, given the muddled course of the Republican race so far, both aides said Thompson and his advisers wanted to watch the results come in tonight before making a final decision.

When push came to shove, he just … didn’t have enough cowbell.

Update: The Reaper ain’t here yet, says Carl Cameron.

Update:? Fred’s already left the state for home in Virginia. The fact that he’s not waiting around to find out if he edged Romney for third doesn’t bode well for its significance to him.

Update: Huckabee’s getting … 12% of non-evangelical voters. Even if he wins here, his reputation as a one-trick pony who can’t win in less religious states is sealed.


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Im sure Fred would send the Beer along with some buckshot

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 7:15 PM

There are so many places to get news on the web, I think I will get my news and discussion elsewhere. I’ve had it with a board where the moderator is both moderator and troll. Have fun.

P. James Moriarty on January 19, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Huck’s HQ in SC looks pretty lousy. Draped flags wrinkled, cheap curtains. In contrast, Fred’s looks sharp and high-tech (from the quick glance I saw on Fox News). With that said, I’m glad Fred spent his money wisely…

Wineaholic on January 19, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Heavy evangelical turnout tonight too, ominously for Huck-haters, although in fairness he’s not doing nearly as well with identity politics these days as Mitt is.

I thought identity politics was when the candidate appeals to the electorate based on identity. I didn’t know that term applied without the appeal. Isn’t that’s kind of like saying Barack is an identity candidate for males on the Democratic side?

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 7:18 PM

I don’t think it’s fair to say Mitt is playing identity politics. He never mentions his Mormonism (aside from The Speech), while Huckabee has funneled his whole campaign through Evangelical churches.

SDnocoen on January 19, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Isn’t that’s kind of like saying Barack is an identity candidate for males on the Democratic side?

If that’s why they’re voting for him, sure. Romney got 94% of the Mormon vote. Any other way to explain that?

Allahpundit on January 19, 2008 at 7:19 PM

We love your optimism AP.

Fred!

infidel on January 19, 2008 at 7:20 PM

P. James Moriarty on January 19, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Not sure what’s so out-of-bounds trollish about the analysis. Thompson said he needed to place well to stay in, and fourth would be the final blow to his campaign.

Slublog on January 19, 2008 at 7:20 PM

There are so many places to get news on the web, I think I will get my news and discussion elsewhere. I’ve had it with a board where the moderator is both moderator and troll. Have fun.

Here’s a good news source for ya.

ninjapirate on January 19, 2008 at 7:22 PM

The identity politics argument with Romney is very weak imo. The difference is Huckabee is running on his religion, and virtually his entire support is from evangelicals largely on that basis, whereas Romney’s support from mormons is a very small fraction of his overall support and he hasn’t been playing that card at all (which, last time I checked, is needed in what’s called identity politics). Absurd argument, actually.

Patriot33 on January 19, 2008 at 7:22 PM

P. James Moriarty on January 19, 2008 at 7:16 PM

This is an opinion site. Sometimes those opinions won’t match your own.

p0s3r on January 19, 2008 at 7:22 PM

If that’s why they’re voting for him, sure. Romney got 94% of the Mormon vote. Any other way to explain that?

Allahpundit on January 19, 2008 at 7:19 PM

The unparalleled influence of the one true commentator, Hugh Hewitt?

Wineaholic on January 19, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Update: I’m not accusing Romney of playing identity politics. It’s his Mormon supporters in Nevada who are playing it. How else to explain 94% support?

Have you ever once heard Romney refer to himself as the “Mormon Leader?”

If Mormons decided to support Romney 100% that is THEM playing identity politics, NOT ROMNEY.

EJDolbow on January 19, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Sorry but when you say it’s too close to call for McCain or Huckabee in SC I immediately wondered who was winning in the Republican primary. Somehow I feel like I’m watching the death of the GOP.

Buzzy on January 19, 2008 at 7:24 PM

If that’s why they’re voting for him, sure. Romney got 94% of the Mormon vote. Any other way to explain that?

Sure. In Wyoming, for example, I thought the vote played out according to how much time each candidate spent in the state. I would not at all be surprised that the same thing happened here. Maybe you are right, but I’d be curious to see the breakdown of Mormon votes in other states before I put that label on him.

I’ve just not seen him use his religion to justify voting for him, and to say that’s why they voted for him sounds like McCain saying twice in his opening sentence on that primary night that Michigan voted for him because he was the native son. I.e. just a way of dismissing his victory. He spent time and money there, and it paid off delegate-wise.

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Somehow I feel like I’m watching the death of the GOP.

Buzzy on January 19, 2008 at 7:24 PM

You’re not alone.

yo on January 19, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Hmm…mormon vote in NH, Iowa, Michigan, etc.=negligable; evangelical vote in Iowa, South Carolina=more than half the Republican vote

Yeah, Romney is the KING of identity politics this election with his mormonism playing such a POSITIVE role in his campaign. LMAO. Inevitable spin I suppose…

Patriot33 on January 19, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Update: I’m not accusing Romney of playing identity politics. It’s his Mormon supporters in Nevada who are playing it. How else to explain 94% support?

This race is turning into the Evangelicals vs LDS on the Republican side and the Blacks vs Latinos on the Democratic side.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:27 PM

If Huckabee wins, should he thank AP’s brilliant idea that FredHeads and other vote for the Huckster to stop McCain?? Seems like “Stopping McCain” is the least of our frickin worries in that scenario. Hello 45 state landslide! (or should I say “Glacierslide”?).

BuzzCrutcher on January 19, 2008 at 7:28 PM

If that’s why they’re voting for him, sure. Romney got 94% of the Mormon vote. Any other way to explain that?

Allahpundit on January 19, 2008 at 7:19 PM

I’m not sure that’s all there is to it. Did Romney’s faith trump all other issues for them or was it an extra factor in his favor the way his roots in Michigan helped him in that state?

Deety on January 19, 2008 at 7:28 PM

7:19 pm: ABC Polling Director Gary Langer tells us that Mike Huckabee is in the hunt because conservatives and evangelicals turned out in bigger than expected numbers. Remember that this was McCain’s problem in Michigan as well — the turnout among independents didn’t keep pace with where it was in 2000.

Langer: “In preliminary exit poll results, conservatives account for nearly seven in 10 Republican primary voters, and evangelicals account for more than half. Huckabee has strong if not monolithic support from evangelicals. But he’s very weak among non-evangelicals – barely one in 10 of them support him.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/live-blogging-e.html

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:28 PM

There are so many places to get news on the web, I think I will get my news and discussion elsewhere. I’ve had it with a board where the moderator is both moderator and troll. Have fun.

Plenty of places to get news headlines. AP’s insight is always worth reading, even when I don’t agree with it.

dedalus on January 19, 2008 at 7:29 PM

I’m not sure that’s all there is to it. Did Romney’s faith trump all other issues for them or was it an extra factor in his favor the way his roots in Michigan helped him in that state?

Deety on January 19, 2008 at 7:28 PM

We are talking about 94% of all LDS who voted, voted for Romney.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:29 PM

If that’s why they’re voting for him, sure. Romney got 94% of the Mormon vote. Any other way to explain that?

Or how about that most Mormons actually care about who is running? One of the LDS church’s Article of Faith talks about being good citizens of the country they live in, and that means paying attention.

They are voting for Mitt! because he is the best one in the lot, and they are not duped by the “Christian Leader” act of the Huckster.

If Fred! had been doing better nation wide, and actually put in time in NV, I am sure he would have pulled some of that Mormon vote himself.

With SC not going well for Fred!, I hope that Mitt and Fred get together and get the ticket started now.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Allah,

Nice post. Rare these days on Hotair.

Even if Huck manages to win, I think he should pull out. Why? Time to start pulling the party together behind McCain or Rudy. Fred will endorse McCain tomorrow if he comes in fourth.

I still don’t know which candidate Huck will ultimately endorse but it won’t be Mitt after the tactics he used. I could see Huck endorsing Rudy even if it goes against the conventional wisdom.

huckfan on January 19, 2008 at 7:30 PM

McCain ‘08.

What? I don’t sound excited? You’re right.

Baraka on January 19, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Thompson said he needed to place well to stay in, and fourth would be the final blow to his campaign.

Slublog on January 19, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Sad but true.

Somehow I feel like I’m watching the death of the GOP.

Buzzy on January 19, 2008 at 7:24 PM

This too is sad but true.

*sigh*

Sammy316 on January 19, 2008 at 7:30 PM

I still don’t know which candidate Huck will ultimately endorse but it won’t be Mitt after the tactics he used.

That’s ironic, coming from a Huckabee supporter.

Jesus and the devil, and all that.

Slublog on January 19, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Update: I’m not accusing Romney of playing identity politics. It’s his Mormon supporters in Nevada who are playing it. How else to explain 94% support?

It’s not much of a stretch to say that 94% of Mormons are conservative Republicans who’s main concerns are:

The Economy
The War on Terror
Securing The Border
Family Values

So, voting for Romney would be exactly what they would have done regardless of religious affiliation. The only other candidate they would have voted for is Fred Thompson, who as far as I know never made it out to the state.

joncoltonis on January 19, 2008 at 7:31 PM

We are talking about 94% of all LDS who voted REPUBLICAN, voted for Romney.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Just sayin.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Sure. In Wyoming, for example, I thought the vote played out according to how much time each candidate spent in the state.

Right — that’s why Mitt won big in Nevada across all groups. His majority overall, though, was around 52% and among Mormons — 94%???

Allahpundit on January 19, 2008 at 7:31 PM

You’re not alone.

yo on January 19, 2008 at 7:27 PM

It’s time. We can’t continue on this way. Sooner the pain is over, the sooner we can regroup and start over.

a capella on January 19, 2008 at 7:33 PM

Right — that’s why Mitt won big in Nevada across all groups. His majority overall, though, was around 52% and among Mormons — 94%???

Allahpundit on January 19, 2008 at 7:31 PM

We will have to see how this plays out in other states.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:33 PM

How come nobody’s asking if Huck will be out of it if he doesn’t win evangelical-heavy SC? I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have a whole lot of money left at this point, and failing to win another early state will put him well behind McCain and Romney in public perceptions. If he can’t win SC, why should anyone believe he can win anywhere else at this point? No momentum, right? Isn’t that what we say about silver-winners? Mitt only hung in after a couple of silvers because he had lots of money and a good organization. Huck won’t be able to fund his own campaign, and he has no organization beyond the mega-churches after SC.

aero on January 19, 2008 at 7:33 PM

How come nobody’s asking if Huck will be out of it if he doesn’t win evangelical-heavy SC?

We don’t want to jinx it. :-)

Slublog on January 19, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Huckabee supporters must not use the internet cuz everyone on every blog HATES Mike Huckabee. I dont get where his supporters hide.

UKFB2 on January 19, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Will Fred Thompson’s endorsement of McCain be seen as a betrayal by Fredheads?

Will Duncan Hunter endorse Romney? Will it even matter?

joncoltonis on January 19, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Just sayin.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Good question but only 3% of Democrats in NV who voted identified themselves as LDS
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225994/

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Even if Huck manages to win, I think he should pull out. Why? Time to start pulling the party together behind McCain or Rudy. …

huckfan on January 19, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Never going to happen. Didn’t you hear? God is backing Huckster. And him doing something for the greater good of the party over himself would be a sign of the apocalypse.

Rudy is done. He will not take FL.

McCain will actually PUT the Democrat into office with the voter suppression that comes with him being the Republican nominee.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:36 PM

“In preliminary exit poll results, conservatives account for nearly seven in 10 Republican primary voters, and evangelicals account for more than half. Huckabee has strong if not monolithic support from evangelicals. But he’s very weak among non-evangelicals – barely one in 10 of them support him.”

From Politico:

Among evangelicals, Huckabee took 41 percent to McCain’s 27 percent. Romney got 11 percent.

ninjapirate on January 19, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Will Fred Thompson’s endorsement of McCain be seen as a betrayal by Fredheads?

It certainly should! McAmnesty is not a conservative.

davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 7:37 PM

McCain/Huckabee ‘08.

AP would really hate that.

Baraka on January 19, 2008 at 7:37 PM

The 94% number is a result of Huckabee’s identity politics, not Mitts and not really even the Mormons. I think it sends a message that if a candidate, like Huckster, uses identity to attack Mormons, there will be a backlash.

It’s a rational response and one, I admit, I’d probably indulge in if my religion were attacked the way Huckabee ran against Mormanism in Iowa.

Nessuno on January 19, 2008 at 7:37 PM

How come nobody’s asking if Huck will be out of it if he doesn’t win evangelical-heavy SC? I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have a whole lot of money left at this point, and failing to win another early state will put him well behind McCain and Romney in public perceptions.

Huck can claim a kind of moral victory if he’s close to McCain and way ahead of Romney. Except for Rudy, who will wait for Florida and probably go on to Super Tuesday, Romney’s pretty much the dividing line here: anyone who finishes below him is pretty much done, and anyone who finishes above him can go on.

Big S on January 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM

I’m not accusing Romney of playing identity politics.

The whole cycle is about identity politics.

lorien1973 on January 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM

McCain/Huckabee ‘08.

AP would really hate that.

Baraka on January 19, 2008 at 7:37 PM

He wouldn’t be alone.

I’m in IL, so my vote doesn’t matter a lick – which would be comforting if any Huck/McCain ticket appeared, since I wouldn’t vote.

yo on January 19, 2008 at 7:39 PM

No results from the Upstate yet. McCain will lose this primary. His margins will easily be overcome when the Upstate comes in.

SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Good question but only 3% of Democrats in NV who voted identified themselves as LDS
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225994/

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Yup. The LDS church and its members have a set of beliefs about faith and how to live the best life. 94% of those LDS that voted Republican went for Mitt (Fred was a no show in the state) but there was still 10% of all LDS voters that went Dem or other.

Mitt lines up with their beliefs and world view as the best person to hold the office of PotUS. Like I said before, Fred would have done a lot better and pulled some of that vote if he had actually worked for it.

They did not vote Mitt BECAUSE he is a Mormon. Swap Mitt with Harry Reid type Mormon he would not have gotten anywhere near that %. It is because of the man/candidate Mitt is, not just his membership in the same faith.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:43 PM

evangelical ghetto

….from one of the links…..

Now that should should spark up some comments!

RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Well there’s some consolation for Thompson supporters with a fourth place finish:
Just imagine how cool we’ll look over the next 4 years with the
Don’t Blame Me I Supported Fred!
bumper sticker.

billy on January 19, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Which, now that I think about it, is what bothers me most about Huck.

His voters do not care about the person he is, just that he shares their faith. If he was Catholic and running the exact same campaign, taking the exact same stands, making the exact same speeches that he has to this point he would already be out of the race.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Among evangelicals, Huckabee took 41 percent

Hmm. 94% vs 41%.

And Huck continues to be criticized. Sheesh.

huckfan on January 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Well, y’all, I’ll check back later. Have an exciting thread. The trolls should be along shortly…

wccawa on January 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM

They did not vote Mitt BECAUSE he is a Mormon. Swap Mitt with Harry Reid type Mormon he would not have gotten anywhere near that %. It is because of the man/candidate Mitt is, not just his membership in the same faith.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:43 PM

No way, never before have 94% of LDS come out for a candidate like this. I live in a state with a lot of LDS. You can spin it all you like, but it was not because of his stance on the issues that he that percentage, it was because he was a saint. I don’t demean them for it, but I don’t try to pretend what is happening, isn’t, in fact, happening.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Sorry but when you say it’s too close to call for McCain or Huckabee in SC I immediately wondered who was winning in the Republican primary. Somehow I feel like I’m watching the death of the GOP.

Yeah, this is just… eugh.

NeoconNews.com on January 19, 2008 at 7:48 PM

davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Neither is Romney. Say what you want about McCain — at least he has some ascertainable principles, while Romney has none.

I’d therefore consider it somewhat less of a betrayal if Fred were to endorse McCain than Multiple-Choice Mitt.

I still won’t vote for either of them, though.

Centerfire on January 19, 2008 at 7:48 PM

it was because he was is a saint.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:48 PM

His voters do not care about the person he is, just that he shares their faith. If he was Catholic and running the exact same campaign, taking the exact same stands, making the exact same speeches that he has to this point he would already be out of the race.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM

PS: Just saw that comment. A most excellent point.

wccawa on January 19, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Fred’s getting ready to make a speech.

AP’s got the popcorn ready.

yo on January 19, 2008 at 7:49 PM

The trolls should be along shortly…

AllahPundit is already here, he’s just not trolling the FredHeads right now.

Baraka on January 19, 2008 at 7:49 PM

His voters do not care about the person he is, just that he shares their faith. If he was Catholic and running the exact same campaign, taking the exact same stands, making the exact same speeches that he has to this point he would already be out of the race.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Just ask Sam Brownback.

phronesis on January 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Rudy is still the Republican that polls highest against Democrats. From Rasmussen:

Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani has yet to win a primary and his national support among GOP voters has plummeted. But he remains competitive in match-ups with the top Democratic contenders. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of the presidential race shows Senator Hillary Clinton leading Giuliani 45% to 42%. Senator Barack Obama leads Giuliani 47% to 41%.

Selecting any other candidate for our party is pretty much a guaranteed loss. Nobody else is within single digits of both Clinton and Obama when the entire electorate is polled.

crosspatch on January 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM

His voters do not care about the person he is, just that he shares their faith. If he was Catholic and running the exact same campaign, taking the exact same stands, making the exact same speeches that he has to this point he would already be out of the race.

Total freaking nonsense. You’ve been on HotAir too long. Get out more.

It is about issues. Being underfunded without name recognition, Huck found a base. So what? Bottom line is that the guy made Arkansas one heck of a better place than it was before he was governor.

huckfan on January 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Right — that’s why Mitt won big in Nevada across all groups. His majority overall, though, was around 52% and among Mormons — 94%???

Okay, but think about it this way too. Say you are a Mormon in Nevada and you are social con and you are weighing your options between Mitt and Huck. If Huck comes out and says to the NYT – “hey aren’t Satan and Jesus brothers?” that would influence your vote wouldn’t it? I don’t see that as identity politics by Mitt, (though I do think he has played the faith card) but rather being disgusted by Huck.

I guess you could be right though.

Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM

yo on January 19, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Let us know what he says.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Tsk, tsk.

Romney is not playing identity politics..

Huckabee is:
Summary: Mormons took real offense to the off-handed statement made by Huckabee, “Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the Devil are brothers?”

Via HotAir commentator tlclark,

“Romney was not the universal favorite among my many western kith and kin – a lot liked McCain or Rudy – until Huck pulled the whole “Jesus and Satan are brothers” thing, which is a long standing smear akin to the blood libel in Mormon circles. Since then, all of them have been loyal to Mitt. Mitt should thank Huck. He didn’t have to play the Mormon card since Huck already played it and galvanized support around Romney. Ha!

That one act may guarantee a sweep of the western and SW states on super tuesday for Mitt. There are lot more Mormons out west than people realize and we vote, big time.”

So much for Huckabee’s campaign strategy! Like he had one.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Rudy is still the Republican that polls highest against Democrats.

Second look at Rudy.

Baraka on January 19, 2008 at 7:52 PM

It is about issues.

huckfan on January 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM

So the people voting for Huck aren’t just evangelicals, they’re tax and nanny-state loving evangelicals?

And they’re voting in the GOP primary why?

Centerfire on January 19, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Update: I’m not accusing Romney of playing identity politics. It’s his Mormon supporters in Nevada who are playing it. How else to explain 94% support?

From reading one of your posters much earlier today in another thread, a Mormon from Nevada, it was blow back from Huck’s identity politics.

TheBigOldDog on January 19, 2008 at 7:53 PM

At some level, aren’t we all practicing identity politics? I’ll only vote for an American, myself. And this doesn’t apply to me, but I am quite sure, if we removed the labels such as evangelical or mormon, a very large percentage – probably over 94% – would only vote for a self-identified Christian. Maybe? Isn’t just a matter of where you draw the line? How big the identity has to be to matter?

truecon on January 19, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Drumroll for a Thompson bow out……………………….

Nessuno on January 19, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Fred Thompson on TV now.

fourstringfuror on January 19, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Fred’s on FOX right now.

Bugler on January 19, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Neither is Romney. Say what you want about McCain — at least he has some ascertainable principles, while Romney has none.

Wtf? Romney is 1000 times more conservative than McAmnesty is. Who would govern as more of a conservative? McCain would govern entirely as a liberal except on the issues of abortion and defense.

davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Fred’s on FOX right now.

Bugler on January 19, 2008 at 7:55 PM

What’s he saying?

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:55 PM

I may cry for the FredHeads if he quits. They believed sooooo much! :-(

SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Hmm. 94% vs 41%.

And Huck continues to be criticized. Sheesh.

huckfan on January 19, 2008 at 7:47 P

Typical response from someone supporting a religious bigot.

Huck runs as the “Christian Leader” and can’t get all the evangelicals to vote for him.

Mitt’s runs as a conservative, distancing himself from religious politics and he gets 94% of the vote. And as has been noted already, Reid, a Mormon, doesn’t get those kinds of numbers.

Huck is a bigot and most evangelicals can see that and reject his despicable behavior. Mitt is an all inclusive candidate and everyone can see that irrespective of their feelings on his policies.

csdeven on January 19, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Here it is:

I am a lifelong Mormon and I grew up in Las Vegas. My sister is still there. She’s going to give me the low-down on the process tonight.

Interestingly enough, polling the family & friends back there, most preferred Rudy, but as he fell off the face of the earth…

Romney was not the universal favorite among my many western kith and kin – a lot liked McCain or Rudy – until Huck pulled the whole “Jesus and Satan are brothers” thing, which is a long standing smear akin to the blood libel in Mormon circles. Since then, all of them have been loyal to Mitt. Mitt should thank Huck. He didn’t have to play the Mormon card since Huck already played it and galvanized support around Romney. Ha! That one act may guarantee a sweep of the western and SW states on super tuesday for Mitt. There are lot more Mormons out west than people realize and we vote, big time.

If , in the rare event, Huck ends up the nominee, I know one thing, for the first time since Teddy Roosevelt argued in favor of the senate seating Reed Smoot in 1904, Republicans will lose Utah.

Me, still hoping for a Fred resurrection, but as that seems unlikely, Mitt’s gonna have to do, I will even vote for McCain if I have to, but I will NEVER vote for a patent demagogue like Huck.

tlclark on January 19, 2008 at 2:54 PM

TheBigOldDog on January 19, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Fred porn! FNC.

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 7:56 PM

TheBigOldDog on January 19, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Yea, Huck, with a little help from Romney’s speech, made it personal.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Total freaking nonsense. You’ve been on HotAir too long. Get out more.

It is about issues. Being underfunded without name recognition, Huck found a base. So what? Bottom line is that the guy made Arkansas one heck of a better place than it was before he was governor.

huckfan on January 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Really? Total nonsense huh? From this story:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/19/592136.aspx

“I decided in the past week,” said one woman who said she voted for Huckabee. “I have tremendous respect for him because of his Christian faith. I just feel like I know who he is.”

If Huck was a Jew, Catholic, Mormon, or any other faith he would be DOA. There is a difference between “finding a base” and hijacking religion to get votes. Huck has done the latter.

Calling evangelical pastors to GotV, giving speeches from the pulpit, running ads designed to lay claim to “Christian Leader”, etc. are not about issues or policy.

Sorry, but that is how I see it and HotAir has nothing to do with that view. Mike H. and his actions do.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Fred is lower expectations. I think this is his farewell speech and he will skip the formal announcement after the fact in order to deny the media the satisfaction.

csdeven on January 19, 2008 at 7:57 PM

It’s never been….

What’s with all these has beens.. Fred?

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 7:58 PM

It was nice being a Hunter delegate for 6 hours.

SecDef, anyone??

fred5678 on January 19, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Concession?

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Relax already.

fourstringfuror on January 19, 2008 at 7:58 PM

davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 7:55 PM

The idea that Romney is conservative is the triumph of hope over reason. His entire public life has been marked by frequent spasms of leftism to get ahead in the polls. He only began running to the right — his nakedly opportunistic throat-clearing about gay marriage, for example — when it became obvious that he would seek the 2008 Republican nomination.

Centerfire on January 19, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Sounds like a “last hurrah” so far.

Hearing the correspondents talking about where and how he campaigned – in the most conservative sections of the state – it made me think back to when he first announced. At the time he was a conservative with a foot in cosmopolitan society. You didn’t imagine him confining himself to retro-conservatives. You hoped he’d conjured up a forward-lookiing vision.

CK MacLeod on January 19, 2008 at 7:59 PM

7:54 pm: Fred Thompson set to speak — we’re not expecting him to drop out — not tonight, at least. He tells us he’s going to bed early tonight. You can’t make this stuff up. As he thanks the people he’s traveled with, it sounds like a valediction — see you around, Fred. Then he says, it’s not abot me, and it’s not about you. Holy mackerel. What is he talking about?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/live-blogging-e.html

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:59 PM

No way, never before have 94% of LDS come out for a candidate like this. I live in a state with a lot of LDS. You can spin it all you like, but it was not because of his stance on the issues that he that percentage, it was because he was a saint. I don’t demean them for it, but I don’t try to pretend what is happening, isn’t, in fact, happening.

Excuse me, but Senator Orrin Hatch ran for President in 2000 and didn’t get anywhere near that type of support despite being LDS. Nevadans voted for the candidate not the religion. LDS people have always shown up to vote in large numbers, and they have always voted conservative republican. No surprise here.

joncoltonis on January 19, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Conspiracy! FOX microphones “malfunction” on Fred!

SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 8:00 PM

STFU Brit!!!

Deety on January 19, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Sorry, but that is how I see it and HotAir has nothing to do with that view. Mike H. and his actions do.

Voidseeker on January 19, 2008 at 7:57 PM

As far as I’m concerned, Huck is a religious ‘Perot’ spoiling a Republican race.

fred5678 on January 19, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Fox News really blows these days. I can’t believe I’m watching CNN over Fox to get coverage of Fred Thompson.

fourstringfuror on January 19, 2008 at 8:00 PM

All past tense phrases… what gives Fred?

Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 8:00 PM

What’s he saying?

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:55 PM

He’s staying until super Tuesday…

doriangrey on January 19, 2008 at 8:01 PM

I think the Mitties are disappointed that Fred doesnt cave in to thier candidate

William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Fox News really blows these days. I can’t believe I’m watching CNN over Fox to get coverage of Fred Thompson.

fourstringfuror on January 19, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Agreed. I feel kind of dirty.

Wineaholic on January 19, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Nevadans voted for the candidate not the religion. LDS people have always shown up to vote in large numbers, and they have always voted conservative republican. No surprise here.

joncoltonis on January 19, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Well they voted for the religion today. Probably because Huck made faith an issue. No surprise here. No other front running candidate attacked Hatch’s religion. You need to realize what is happening this has turned into a religious war between LDS and evangelicals. At least right now. This isn’t about issues, this is about faith.

bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 8:02 PM

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