Fred update: His campaign says he’s staying in the race — if he finishes third in SC; Update: Exit poll: Fred fourth in SC among … conservatives
posted at 4:58 pm on January 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Watch as the goalposts move before your very eyes, with less contested southern states like Georgia and Tennessee now the benchmark for voter enthusiasm. Third in SC is very much a possibility, of course — but early indications from Carl Cameron are not good.
Politico says he sounds wistful on the trail today while the NYT seizes one last opportunity to snark. “Amen! Tell the truth, Fred! Amen!”
Update: Victory in defeat:
Over the past month, Huckabee first surged in polls of South Carolina Republicans, from fifth place to, for a time, a solid first place. Over the past two weeks, however, he has fallen behind McCain, largely for two reasons: McCain got a major boost from his January 8 New Hampshire win, and the struggling campaign of Fred Thompson made a last ditch effort to get on track here. While well behind and tied for third place with Romney, Thompson did make gains, and the data suggest that virtually every point Thompson picked up came out of Huckabee’s hide.
Update: From Fox News, read it and weep.
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There can only be one nominee, and on the Republican side we have a number of candidates that are representing their blocks of the party pretty well. That has resulted in a tough race (and one candidate, Rudy, hasn’t started to rumble yet). We all need to realize that in the end, we will have one nominee to go against Obama or Hillary (and it is looking more and more like it will be Hillary). So let’s not alienate each other so much during the primaries that we can’t re-unite for the Fall campaign.
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Exactly! Huckabee and McCain (my add) would be disasterous. People always say Romney would not be electable in the general because he couldn’t win over moderates. What about this…Huckabee and McCain couldn’t win over many conservatives. I heard Rush all but promote people staying home if Huckabee or McCain were the nominee. If Fred gets out, the BEST pick for conservatives and people who lean conservative is Mitt Romney.
davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM
I was worried about this too, until I started thinking about which candidate would choose him as running mate. Mitt? I don’t think so. Rudy? Not a chance. McCain? Possible, but Rudy seems more likely.
peski on January 19, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Eh wcc its politics it always gets heated. Allah has never played favorites with anyone and he lets us slug it out unless it gets too personal and stupid.
Keep in mind this is the internet so its always a live fire zone here.
William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Can we get some articles exposing Juan amnesty Mccain up in here?
While we sit around and discuss a corpse…the greatest danger to America lurks unnoticed.
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 5:50 PM
On the local “Christian” stations they often play shows about the “end times” and the apocalypse.
Sometimes I’ll watch them for a laugh or two, just low production values alone are usually worth a chortle.
But when the vast majority of people in the the most powerful country in the world prefer a transparent fraud like Hillary!, and a good honest man like Fred goes nowhere…well, it really makes you think.
The Clinton’s have run a nasty, horrible, vitriolic campaign, yet people fall all over themselves to vote for them.
The good ‘ol US of A is in very serious trouble, and the only man that can save us is a flip flopping, say-anything guy that sounds like he should be running as a democrat.
Go Mitt?!!??
Dorvillian on January 19, 2008 at 5:50 PM
fred has a lot of hollywood in him
he arrived late and left early.
i wonder if he’s a viable candidate for the position someone once referred to as ‘a warm bucket of spit’, the VP spot.
DrW on January 19, 2008 at 5:51 PM
We WA says, it’s politics and it gets heated.
I don’t remember too many complaints over the constant Fred donation links we’ve been seeing as of late.
amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Drinking a Diet Pepsi Max here actually.
I sure as hell don’t need you and your cynical big-ass tent of moderates, RINO’s, and liberals. I don’t have the time or patience to teach you what the word “conservative” means. I can assure you though, it DOES have a meaning. McCain, Rudy, and Huck use the word but don’t even understand what it means. Mitt talks the talk but I suspect he’s just pandering the way he did in Massachusetts. Fred is the real deal. If we conservatives make up just 4% like you suggest, then you really have nothing to fear.
edgehead on January 19, 2008 at 5:51 PM
For once I completely agree with you.
davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 5:52 PM
I have no problem with live fire, heated exchanges, tweaks, slaps and general rowdiness. God knows I’ve had my lunch handed to me a time or two, and deservedly so. No problem there.
But I DO have a problem with trolls spamming the threads so much you can’t even tell what’s going on. And I like said yesterday, you can count nearly all of them on the fingers of one hand.
wccawa on January 19, 2008 at 5:52 PM
I was insinuating it was the voters doing it. Voting on identity politics.
Since someone saying that they wouldnt vote for Mitt because he is mormon is called a bigot. Can we say something about mormons because they ONLY vote on mormonism?
broker1 on January 19, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Despite my own hope that he would, I’m not sure Rudy will take too many shots at the rest of the field. He’s been remarkably restrained so far, and has avoided stepping on too many toes. Having seen him in action in NYC, I’m frankly amazed at it. Even if he doesn’t do well in Florida, he’s a shoo-in for a high cabinet position in a Republican administration (if he wants it). If the Dems win, I imagine he’ll be back in 2012, to play the role of cleanup artist again.
Big S on January 19, 2008 at 5:52 PM
It doesn’t kill the threads, it keeps them going long after they would normally die. That’s the job, generate traffic and he does it well. If you want to ignore Harald, BKennedy, Big S, and the other Fred-bashers, do so. Or engage them and tear apart their arguments. Just remember though, even though they’re not always honest, they’re not thread-killers and that will keep them around.
Stashiu3 on January 19, 2008 at 5:53 PM
The trolls are definitely swarming since they opened up registration. The reasonableness quotient of the comments has plummeted sharply.
But I think AP is totally fine with that because trolls drive long comment threads, and bizarrly, AP measures interest in a topic by the comment numbers rather than hits on the page.
And even if he did just look at page hits, the trolls draw more of those too. It’s sad for the rest of us (though I’ll admit to being sucked in by trolls myself).
Nessuno on January 19, 2008 at 5:53 PM
He’s not unnoticed. Got the lead in SC.
a capella on January 19, 2008 at 5:53 PM
To all my fellow Fred backers keep in mind history.
Reagan ran for President 3 times. In 1968 he lost to the establishment backed Nixon (But did better than Mitt’s Father)
In 1976 He lost to Ford who had the advantage of being President(And interestingly from Michigan was some question about Romney’s Push to make Ford President)
Reagan was finally able to win in 1980. Even though the moderates kept saying that being Conservative was suicidial and Goldwater had proven it.
The Moderates have taken control of the party. We just have to bid our time.
William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Exit polls… Do you remember the exit polls from the 2004 Presidential race? Ask President Kerry about that will ya!
Oink on January 19, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Hey! I’m not so much against Fred as I am against the hype that surrounded him among Fredheads. I wouldn’t be upset if he won (he’s my 3rd choice among the (R) candidates, right in the middle of the pack), but I get a bit peeved at his supporters when they try to excommunicate all non-Fredheads from the Republican Party.
Big S on January 19, 2008 at 5:56 PM
WCC they are baiting you. Mitt is getting a bit desperate because he isnt doing as well as he expected so they are making a big push to get others out of the race. That is normal politics.
William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM
I think I figured it out. Perhaps if Fred would have said he had been a Wiccan Priest he would have gotten that voting bloc. Or perhaps Xenu, and claimed he was a Scientologist and gotten the coveted Tom Cruise endorsement.
Oh the possibilities!
broker1 on January 19, 2008 at 5:58 PM
The first thing you learn as a leader is that the most important thing is how to get people who aren’t initially in agreement to at least work together. We aren’t electing a dictator how can just impose conservative values by fiat. We are electing an executive that has to herd the Congress and everyone else, and Mitt has demonstrated skill in doing just that, even if it is not pretty to watch.
pedestrian on January 19, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Had you read what I posted you would have noticed I was addressing the 4% that are puritanical Fredheads, the sort that will protest vote for Fred in the general because they fell NO ONE else deserves to be president. I’m talking about those shortsighted fools who define conservatism around the positions and likeness of Fred Thompson, and will not tolerate any deviation from it. I know perfectly well what conservatism is, and admit Mitt isn’t a down-the-line conservative. I’d rather have an 80-85% conservative who is competent, effective, and had broad appeal than a 100% conservative who cannot so much as manage his own campaign. (ignoring of course, that Fred is not a 100% conservative anyway.)
DA Rudy round 2?
BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 5:59 PM
I dunno, UFO Kucinich couldn’t even garner the Area 51ers in Nevada.
BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 6:01 PM
My apologies, a “Fred-head basher” is not always a “Fred-basher”. Thank you for the correction. I should not have lumped you in with the others who do both.
Stashiu3 on January 19, 2008 at 6:01 PM
If the economy goes in the tank, taxes are raised, and the Middle East goes to hell, he’ll have a much better argument among many voters for his candidacy for President than he did this time around. Maybe then, they’ll listen when he talks about what he accomplished in NYC before 9/11.
Big S on January 19, 2008 at 6:02 PM
How can you say that when the exit polls show that a majority of conservatives support them in the primary and will also support them in the general. If there is a McCain/Thompson ticket he will get all the conservatives he needs to win the general.
Complete7 on January 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Despite this terrible thing that you have just said, you’re still welcome in the Huckabee tent. We have Cocoa.
Wise Golden on January 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM
I’m starting to feel a little put out by this whole process. My state (Virginia) doesn’t have its primary until after Super Tuesday, by which time the front-runner will have sealed the deal (being realistic). So I get no chance to tell my party who I really want, because any vote by then will just be a formality. Coupled with the fact we’re moving to Maryland in late Spring, where my red vote will count for nothing towards the blue majority (Dems will get those electoral votes hands down), I’ve come to realize that my opinion, my choice, my vote for president will fall on deaf ears.
It’s enough to make me want to stay home from voting until either my husband gets orders to a red state (why are there few-to-no naval bases in more conservative states!) or the system changes. Hold all the primaries/caucuses on the same day, both parties (so there’s no more of this Machivillian scheming to vote for X to beat Y), and then in the general, one person = one vote.
Okay, rant off. More on topic, I plan on writing in Fred in the general. I honestly do not like the other candidates, and I should not have to hold my nose and discard my principles to vote for the candidate that might possibly do the least amount of damage to the country. I’m not going to view my write-in vote as a vote against whomever is the Republican nominee (or as a vote for the Dem), it’s a vote for the man I think should be president. As usual, I feel that I’m in the tiniest minority on this one.
the goddess anna on January 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Those are my thoughts as well.
davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Comments = user generated content.
User generated content -> big dollars.
pedestrian on January 19, 2008 at 6:04 PM
I’m so honored that despite my criticism of the High Reverend, I’d still be welcome to cast my vote for him. I’m so honored.
amerpundit on January 19, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Don’t blame all the newbies. Maybe some moderating is in order, but I recall reading some pretty good back-n-forth before OR began.
LickyLicky on January 19, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Exactly! Well said.
Wise Golden on January 19, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Same here! FredState and FredRepublic just got too nauseating with their Fred boosterism that it became an unwelcome place for everyone else.
They bet their credibility on a total underachiever…LOL!!!
Greenhorn on January 19, 2008 at 6:06 PM
On second thought I meant AG, and as a cabinet position for Rudy in, say, a Romney presidency. It’s certainly right up Rudy’s alley. I mean really, my only worry with Rudy is the justices he would nominate, put him anywhere else, be it for GWOT or AG and I think he’ll do fine, although I’d prefer a more immigration-related stalwart for DHS.
BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 6:06 PM
This makes me wonder where all the vitriol and outrage is at the dumb Mormons and the sheep of the LDS church. When Huckabee gained the support of many “evangelicals” (who coined that term anyway? It’s pathetic.) in Iowa all we heard for weeks was how blind and stupid they were for voting en masse. Now when Romney gets almost complete support from Mormons, we hear nothing. Very interesting.
fourstringfuror on January 19, 2008 at 6:07 PM
The exit poll you cite is ONLY from SC. Most exit polls have shown Romney to be the ne that gets the overwhelming amount of conservative votes. National polls now are worthless. If there is a McCain/Thompson ticket, most conservatives will say Thompson sold out. McCain is a disgrace to our nation. I would fight VERY hard to see him defeated.
davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Nevada:
CNN is now projecting delegates - I’m wondering if they’re making the mistake I made earlier thinking it was a straight proportional system, or whether they’ve accounted for the who-wins-congressional-districts rules…
Anyway, they have Hillary winning 13 delegates, Obama winning 12…
On the Republican side, Romney 16, Paul and McCain 3 each, Thompson and Huckabee 2 each.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmYwYTAyY2QwMTI2MmJmM2IwMWQ4ZmYxMTQyNWJiNTI=
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:08 PM
It’s not over. In a Arnold “It’s not a tumor” voice.
2Tru2Tru on January 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM
I thought Mormons were a cult? Don’t you know how cultists act? Certainly, no self-respecting evangelical Christian would vote for or against someone en masse like that /Iowans for Huckabee.
Mormons get enough crap about being a cult to begin with, why do you whine when they act like one? At least they aren’t pretending not to vote on the basis of what their minister says, and Romney didn’t tell Mormon ministers to prosyltize for his campaign.
Fact is, Mormons are a fairly insular community and most of them know Mitt since he’s been there. If you’re Mormon you’re like family, and most of us would vote for a family member.
BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Here are the KEY COUNTIES we need to watch for in SC.
Upstate (Hucky’s base): Anderson, Greenville, Spartanburg
Midlands (Even): Lexington, Richland (capital city of Columbia’s county), Aiken, Sumter (hey, momma and daddy!), Lancaster and York counties (both Charlotte, NC suburb counties…increasingly conservative).
Lowcountry/Coast and PeeDee: Florence, Horry (Myrtle Beach), Beaufort, Charleston, Berkely, Dorchester.
If your candidate does well in the majority of these you can almost guarantee a win. If it’s too close to call, you’ll need to root for Darlington, Greenwood, Saluda, Pickens and Newberry counties to carry your man.
SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Harald, I heard a rumor today that Huckabee made a deal with the Devil and that shortly thereafter he started climbing in the polls. Can you confirm this?
FloatingRock on January 19, 2008 at 6:12 PM
My point exactly:
That’s my prediction and I’m sticking to it.
Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 6:12 PM
At least I can sleep at night - I am now an official delegate for Duncan Hunter. I will vote on issues, and my next choice is Thompson, and then Romney. Every other candidate, Dem. and Rep., will guarantee Shamnesty in 2009.
If everyone just voted on issues, AFTER they got informed on the issues of national security, border security, and economic security, and how each candidate has demonstrated and advocated on these issues, these election results would be much different. (i. e., McCain’s popularity versus this poll, where his stance on illegal immigration is preferred by only 22% of Republicans)
The American electorate is pathetically misinformed on politics. But, hey, we all know about Brittany’s latest adventures, so all is not lost with American civilization.
We can still win the pop culture war any day against our economic rivals, border infiltrators, and terrorist foes.
fred5678 on January 19, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Remember in Nevada we go to the county convention in Feb and then the state convention in April. The delegates can change their mind anytime they wish.
Go Fred!
Mojave Mark on January 19, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Good point. Huck only has a fraction, less than half of the “evangelic” vote (and I agree — the people using this word simply don’t know what it means.)
Wise Golden on January 19, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Dude! Sweet!
wccawa on January 19, 2008 at 6:15 PM
the goddess anna on January 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM
The problem with that idea though, is that we would have simply ended up with a Clinton/McCain or Giulianni choice in Nov. based simply on national name recognition.
It certainly hasn’t been pretty to watch, but I’m happy that this process has at least allowed the Republicans to thrash out what it is that they want in their candidates.
Deety on January 19, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Ahhh the ole “bipartisanship”. This isnt arguing with someone at Bain capital firm on whether they should cut 1000 or 2000 jobs. This is political and democrats have constituancies they have to answer to. Like El Rushbo always says “Nothing good EVER came out of bi partisanship”. You take your long held policy beliefs and sell it to the people. That is how amnesty got shot down, that is how cutting and running from the war never went through.
Screw bi partisanship
broker1 on January 19, 2008 at 6:15 PM
/second look at that vacation brochure for Guyana.
geckomon on January 19, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Is Romney pandering to Mormons? Is Huck pandering to Evangelicals and the like?
I’ll help you out there, since you seem to be confused about this: The answer is NO for Mitt and YES for Huck.
Buy Danish on January 19, 2008 at 6:20 PM
It certainly is!! I plan to do lots of educating of my fellow delegates in the coming weeks and months.
fred5678 on January 19, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Okay — time for a joke to lighten things up.
Wise Golden on January 19, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Wow man, hard to hide your bigotry. Not a Romney man myself, but voices like your are the exact reason why I wanted Thompson in office. Long live freedom.
roxer on January 19, 2008 at 6:22 PM
So let’s not alienate each other so much during the primaries that we can’t re-unite for the Fall campaign.
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM
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Can we get some articles exposing Juan amnesty Mccain up in here?
…….the greatest danger to America lurks unnoticed.
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 5:50 PM
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YES! and HELL YES!
loaner on January 19, 2008 at 6:25 PM
I’d Go Mormon if Marie Osman would date me. Id even go Missionary
William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 6:25 PM
The perils of identity politics
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Finding it really hard to care anymore.
aero on January 19, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Exit poll bad news for McCain?
SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Goodbye Fred, I hardly knew ye.
p0s3r on January 19, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Ahhhh NOW it comes out. So much for policy issues. Credibility……..lost.
broker1 on January 19, 2008 at 6:29 PM
32% for Huckabee in SC? I have no where to go. I’ll still vote Thompson in the CA Primary, but if either McCain or Huckabee get nominated, I’ll re-registered as non-partisan and just vote on local and state crap. I won’t be contributing anymore to a more moderate version of the Liberal Democratic Party. I’m a conservative through and through and will never given in to incrementalism. After everything that I learned and loved about Reagan, my soul won’t allow me to do it. He’s rolling over in his grave right now and it’s all due to Christianists. Until the Evanegilical voting block is lifted out of this Party and put into their own 3rd Party, I won’t be participating in this freaking charade.
Can’t wait for the new Messiah in 2012, because that’s about how long it’s gonna take to clean this mess up. And we have no one to blame folks, not even AllahPundit, no one to blame but ourselves. We like have the rod shoved up high, and told what government’s gonna do, and we dance and jump saying, “how high?” everytime. This time it’s gonna be worse than those you can buy gas on odd or even day cards. Yessiree. You like government taking care of you and now you’re gonna have it in a way you won’t be able to extract yourselves from in more the 5 decades, if ever.
Thanks for the support!
Sultry Beauty on January 19, 2008 at 6:30 PM
We elect politicians into office that it’s citizens truly deserve. This is no different. I’m not a Fredhead but a very strong conservative. I don’t even know what a Republican is from what I’ve seen I think it’s a Socialist Party of some sort. Be that as it may, Conservatives don’t really have a candidate to speak of. Fred, it seems, is the closes thing we have.
When I read the many comments made by elitist hack political pundits that attack and treat Fred Thompson supporters like they are Ron Paul nut’s, well, it makes me believe that either, a) most don’t even realize what a conservative is, or b) they have very strong and hidden socialist tendencies.
I believe that most are option b) but I’m willing to consider option a)
So, it all comes down to compromising on your principles so you won’t be ashamed to be lumped in with a Fred Head.
While many complain we have shit candidates to choose from as a conservative, they all Judas the one who carries the largest portion of conservative tendencies.
Many here are willing to commit an Honor Killing of Fred just so they won’t be lumped in and Ridiculed as a Fred Head.
My suggestion is to just vote for Hillary. You at least know what you are getting. Can’t say the same with the RINO’s that are left in the Race. Good luck.
Egfrow on January 19, 2008 at 6:30 PM
So how come he doesn’t quote the numbers in the poll :(
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Guys, guys, guys. Don’t you all realize this is a massive, planned, plot by Rudy Giuliani?
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:33 PM
I know you love to argue, but I don’t need to explain my post again. It was a valid observation, and not whining.
You need to lighten up. This kind of attitude really is dragging this board down.
fourstringfuror on January 19, 2008 at 6:33 PM
I dunno! But I hope he’s right. A Hucky win, while disgusting, would help us get rid of McCain.
SouthernGent on January 19, 2008 at 6:33 PM
It helps Rudy
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM
The High Reverend Huckster beating Juan Plantation McVano in S.C., just what I wanted.
Better the winner be the putz with the glass jaw than the putz with the iron rump.
MB4 on January 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM
And Mitt.
davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Republican fratricide
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:37 PM
If Huck comes into Florida after winning SC, Rudy has a good opportunity to bash him on his support for the Fair Tax. While there are some good arguments to be made for a consumption tax, the FairTax people have been less than honest in selling it, and the transition to it will be especially rough on middle class voters. Anyone who has managed to save up money under the current tax regime will see it taxed again when it is spent, for a total rate nearing 50% for the middle class. Rudy has come out explicitly against the Fair Tax plan; will he mention it in Florida if Huck wins?
Big S on January 19, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Two excellent posts in a row. Starting to feel reenergized already!!
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM
They’re self-described conservatives. Obviously a lot of people don’t understand the meaning of the word.
FloatingRock on January 19, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Rudy is so far down that pretty much anything helps him at this point.
MB4 on January 19, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Roger that.
wccawa on January 19, 2008 at 6:42 PM
If Romney is the nominee I’ll hold my nose and vote for him. If it is Huckabee or McCain I stay home. A Hill/Bama win is better than the extinction of conservatism. Which is exactly what McCain and or Huckabee would do to the party.
WTF happened to conservatism? Even Newt Gingrich, bulwark of conservatism, is now in the Huckabee camp. WTF happened?
Theworldisnotenough on January 19, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Yup, the fair tax is anything but fair and most Americans will give it the bird when they get past the attractive name.
MB4 on January 19, 2008 at 6:43 PM
I should say that Romney and McCain have the same opportunity, but something tells me that they wouldn’t do it.
Big S on January 19, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Hold on! I fully intend to blame AP. I’m just haven’t decided what to pin on him yet. The weather maybe…
Great point.
Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Yep — I’d say that your comments would certainly have Reagan rolling in his grave.
Wise Golden on January 19, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Just listed to Rush discuss it on podcast. Answer: No leadership, no discipline, no guardrails. A wheel with spokes going in all different directions.
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 6:46 PM
No matter what, I’m voting Fred on Super Tuesday. I have contemplated voting Mitt in the general (should he be the nom) but really, my state is so decidedly blue that it won’t matter a whit what I do anyway, so I might write-in Fred. I don’t want to be part of the leftward shift. I don’t want European style “conservatives” in my country.
-Aslan’s Girl (on this side of the wardrobe door)
Aslans Girl on January 19, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Arrogant.
Wise Golden on January 19, 2008 at 6:47 PM
If only this trend continued this morning.
McCain is very vulnerable on his shamnesty stance, and if Fred and Mitt decide to actually frame the debate in terms of law enforcement versus rewards + solicited bribes + benefits, they can beat him like a drum. And also the Mayor of Sanctuary City. And the Governor of In-state Tuition. Maybe we can get down to Mitt/Fred or Fred/Mitt ??? I can only hope.
Oh, and GO DUNCAN!
fred5678 on January 19, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Unreal, isn’t it?! No wonder Newt decided not to run, there were enough RINO’s already. It boggles the mind that after 8 years of compassionate conservatism we’d stand ready to elect another compassionate conservative or the man who was on the left of Bush in 2000. Newt is a big disappointment - he has really started to think of things in terms of government providing solutions…sad.
Spirit of 1776 on January 19, 2008 at 6:50 PM
I think those who might prefer a McCain or Giuliani will be perfectly happy to vote for the ticket should a Romney or Thompson be the standard bearer. But from the recent rhetoric, it almost seems the inverse is not true. And if that is the case, then a President Clinton seems to me a sure thing—which of course may be the desire— in the fashion that 1964 purists thought their loss logically led to recovery in 1968 or 1976 had to transpire to get to the promised land of 1980. I would remind conservatives, however, that we are in a war, and that sitting out 2008 might mean allowing a candidate to win (pick any of the three Democrats) who has promised to withdraw all troops in 2009, regardless of the battlefield landscape (perhaps versus a McCain Presidency who surely won’t do that).
–VDH 1/17/08
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:50 PM
The fact that Allahpundit is enjoying this so very much makes me sick. I guess when Rudy left the race he had no one on which he could dump. Allahpundit has succeeded on being a first class a-hole. Hat’s off to you Allahpundit.
Constantly kicking loyal commenters and traffice drivers in the nuts seems like an odd strategy…
Oh csdeven? I hope you like amnesty because that is exactly what you are going to get.
Theworldisnotenough on January 19, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Word is Hunter just dropped out of the race….trying to find a link….
P. James Moriarty on January 19, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Hunter is out of the race
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:55 PM
NEW YORK (CNN) — California Rep. Duncan Hunter has abandoned his bid for the Republican presidential nomination.
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Sigh why not Hunter its not like we want conservatives in the race
William Amos on January 19, 2008 at 6:56 PM
EXIT POLL: SC REPUBLICANS
here
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 6:58 PM
It is too bad, but they can’t get the votes.
davenp35 on January 19, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Wow, just wow!
Never, have I seen so many sour grapes as today on HotAir.
Keep your hopes up for a candidate “sired” by your favorite “horse”, it that helps.
Pick yourself up.
Take a deep breath.
You Fredheads go into a rubber room and beat some pillows.
Mcguyver on January 19, 2008 at 7:01 PM
I will stay with Fred until “super Tuesday”, but I am also realistic about his chances if he doesn’t take first or second in S.Carolina. To bad this primary season turned into a beauty pageant. At least the MSM will get the GOP candidate THEY want, its a shame conservatives have allowed themselves to be lead by the nose. Looks like the Democrat’s didn’t take the MSM’s lead though.
If the GOP nominates McCain or Huckabee they will get what they deserve. A Democrat in the Whitehouse.
Sammy316 on January 19, 2008 at 7:02 PM
I agree with VDH here. To what end are people going to take their faux protest against supposed “RINOs”. We are in a time of war with millions of lives at stake. How many are going to have to die in a Democratic administration before people wake up and realize that any of the top 5 GOP candidates would be profoundly better in fighting the War on Terror than Hillary or Obama.
Complete7 on January 19, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Rudy was just on television and he still seems to be in the running.
Guess the honeymoon is over?
Quit your bellyaching. Would Fred Bellyache? Reagan? Be a man *&*&!
Bradky on January 19, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Exit poll from MSNBC:
those who voted:
79% Rep
19% Ind
2% Dem
Percents:
Very liberal 1
Somewhat liberal 5
Moderate 24
Somewhat conservative 34
Very conservative 34
Religion %
Protestant 62
Catholic 14
Mormon / LDS 1
Other Christian 17
Jewish 0
Muslim -
Something else 2
None 4
Would you describe yourself as a born-again or evangelical Christian?
Yes 58
All others 42
How much does it matter to you that a candidate shares your religious beliefs?
A great deal 36
Somewhat 29
Not much 18
Not at all 16
Which ONE of these four issues is the most important facing the country?
Illegal immigration 26
The war in Iraq 16
The economy 41
Terrorism 14
bnelson44 on January 19, 2008 at 7:05 PM
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