Video: Rudy’s ad — “It Matters”

posted at 3:38 pm on January 18, 2008 by Bryan

Just a guess here, but I can imagine that a few people won’t like this Giuliani campaign ad’s use of photos from 9-11 to make the case that Rudy Giuliani showed leadership on 9-11.

But the same people who object to it are likely to be the same people who have been objecting to every single measure taken to prevent another 9-11 from happening. And they probably support people whose policies didn’t exactly make 9-11 a difficult feat to pull off, and whose policies would make it easier for terrorists mount attacks here and elsewhere.

So there’s that.

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President of 9-11

ronsfi on January 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Tangent: This ad reminded me that Cloverfield is out today.

Weebork on January 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Or it could be people who know that is the only reason he has any chance at president was because he was in NYC at the time of the attack. He was HATED before the attack, and he is still hated after the attack by a large portion of the rescue workers. Other than 9/11, there is no reason to consider him a real candidate.

muyoso on January 18, 2008 at 3:42 PM

I liked his jihad ad better.

I believe it was after the last debate that Michelle said that she has essentially tuned him out, because of the perception of repetition I recall correctly, and AP essentially agreed. But I hope Rudy remains part of the conversation because, despite the 9/11 cliche, he is saying things that no one else is. For example, either in the last debate or the NH forum, he talked about welfare reform and going to that constituency and explaining how Republican policy was better for the poor then Democratic policy. He and Fred have near equivalent tax proposals and this year. And I think the economy is only going to increase in the political dialogue.

Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 3:45 PM

*if I recall correctly

Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 3:45 PM

I don’t understand your post, Bryan. Are you saying that if someone is annoyed that he is using imagery of 9/11 because he was mayor at the time, and someone gets annoyed at it, they’re some kind of liberal or Ronulan?

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 3:46 PM

muyoso on January 18, 2008 at 3:42 PM

His cleaning up of the city, reducing the deficit, lowering taxes, cleaning up Times Square, reducing crime… Then we could get into his time as the third highest ranking member of Reagan’s Justice Department, successful prosecution of all 5 major mob families, putting white collar criminals behind bars…

Do we really need to get into the IAFF’s political leanings and past, shall we say, biases?

amerpundit on January 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM

I thought that was a pretty solid ad.

someguy on January 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM

I’m sorry but he should stop using the Fox News voiceover guy.

Vizzini on January 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Well said, Bryan. That’s why I love this guy. He infuriates the left. Just wish he’d get it together before its too late.

kcluva on January 18, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Was just reading NROs Corner and Cliff May quotes Roger Simon with a great and concise election question:

Roger L. Simon asks this question on his blog:

Who would you like to be in the White House if Pakistan fell to al Qaeda and the Islamists gained control of its nuclear arsenal?

Answer that question and you will know your candidate. All the rest, as they say, is commentary.

OK, how many of you put your hands up for Barack or the Huckster? How many want Rudy or Fred…..

Always Right on January 18, 2008 at 3:49 PM

OT:

Looks like Melanie Morgan Chairman of MoveAmericaFoward has endorsed Fred Thompson.

Via Ace through StopTheAclu

broker1 on January 18, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Excellent ad.

Rudy did good during 9/11 and the aftermath. We saw with New Orleans what others doing bad looked like.

Excellent ad.

bnelson44 on January 18, 2008 at 3:52 PM

I hate to step on the Rudy thread with a Fred post but THIS short blog from NewsWeek explains ALOT about Fred’s appeal to us (expatriate and otherwise) southerners.

Ex-tex on January 18, 2008 at 3:52 PM

This is the best ad I have seen from either side. Makes its points cogently and succinctly with no fluff.

I know I am not in the majority here, but I really hope Rudy gets nod.

There is a proverb that says that a wise man can devise a way to get out of a situation that a smart man would never have gotten in to. Rudy is a smart man. He is not perfect, but of all the folks in the race, I think he is the best be sure we don’t get into bad situations

georgealbert on January 18, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Good ad. These are the things I liked about Guiliani many, many months ago when he first put his hat in the ring. Is it just me, or do we start campaigning for president the day that the previous winner takes office. Sigh.

TX Mom on January 18, 2008 at 3:54 PM

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and make a prediction. If Rudy wins Florida, he will run away with the nomination. He’s by far the best speaker out of the Republican bunch… Huck is good, but way too cheesy. If Rudy wins Florida and gets the national media attention the other have, he will win alot of people over. Just my opinion

froghat on January 18, 2008 at 3:56 PM

He needs to find another schtick, imho.

p0s3r on January 18, 2008 at 3:56 PM

I will be so gland when this is over and WE can start finding a way beat Clinton or Obama

KBird on January 18, 2008 at 4:00 PM

I’ve lived in NYC for 10 years and have a very good impression of Rudy as a leader. I have no idea what Hillary has done for NY as one of its senators.

meandchi on January 18, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I hate to step on the Rudy thread with a Fred post but THIS short blog from NewsWeek explains ALOT about Fred’s appeal to us (expatriate and otherwise) southerners.

Ex-tex on January 18, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Hijack! Why stop there? You can read this too.

geckomon on January 18, 2008 at 4:04 PM

lol check this video out. Jon Voight Campaigns For Giuliani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVhwpcYvw_s&eurl=http://www.joinrudy2008.com/blog/

froghat on January 18, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Yawn. The One Trick Pony candidate performs the only routine he knows yet again.

Rudy’s campaign is dead- and rightly so, because he is not now nor has he ever been a conservative. Granted, most of the other candidates aren’t either, but still- a gun-grabbing, pro-choice candidate? Yeah, right.

His Feb 5th strategy might have worked had his national support remained high, but it hasn’t. Rudy makes Fred look like a campaign strategy genius.

Rudy is done because he was apparently too “lazy” to campaign in IA, NH, WY, MI and SC. Heh.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Oh look! Giuliani finally uses 9/11 imagery in an ad, and we get righty blogs giving him a bit of attention. That’s because, to this point, he has avoided it pretty much completely. I guess it’s a “controversial” thing to do, and will give this ad some free media play, even if some of it is critical. Oh well.

Big S on January 18, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Rudy is done because he was apparently too “lazy” to campaign in IA, NH, WY, MI and SC. Heh.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Not to mention he doesn’t seem to have that “fire in his belly” during the last few weeks. /s

geckomon on January 18, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Roger L. Simon asks this question on his blog:

Who would you like to be in the White House if Pakistan fell to al Qaeda and the Islamists gained control of its nuclear arsenal?

Answer that question and you will know your candidate. All the rest, as they say, is commentary.

That answer is Rudy, without a doubt.

kcluva on January 18, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Granted, most of the other candidates aren’t either, but still- a gun-grabbing, pro-choice candidate? Yeah, right.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Instead we get Huckabee? Not a great trade-off.

amerpundit on January 18, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Roger L. Simon asks this question on his blog:

Who would you like to be in the White House if Pakistan fell to al Qaeda and the Islamists gained control of its nuclear arsenal?

Answer that question and you will know your candidate. All the rest, as they say, is commentary.

Someone with foreign policy experience and familiar with our intelligence apparatus. Therefore not Rudy.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Rudy to Huckabee: “You know I’d certainly make a great VP….I’d help you get the northeast better than Santorum would”

HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Rudy is done because he was apparently too “lazy” to campaign in IA, NH, WY, MI and SC. Heh.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:09 PM

That’s what puzzles me.

In all the run-up to the state caucases, the nomination was Rudy’s to lose.

I can’t understand why he willingly made it easy to forget about him by not even showing up.

In everything that you really want, you play to win 100%.

So what gives?

I’m not lamenting, it’s just weird.

Hawkins1701 on January 18, 2008 at 4:18 PM

HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 4:17 PM

I highly doubt Rudy would sign on to Huckabee.

amerpundit on January 18, 2008 at 4:19 PM

objecting to every single measure taken to prevent another 9-11 from happening

Some on the right and the left want to make sure that 9/11 doesn’t result in more power being handed by the people to the government.

Better security for chemical plants and other infrastructure that present inviting targets are no-brainers. Prioritizing those efforts ahead of those that infringe on individual rights makes sense.

Hillary says “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.” Rudy says “I’m from the government and I’m here to protect you.” Both need to be viewed with caution.

That said. Good ad. Rudy will use Florida to take a commanding lead or he’ll perish. Interesting how he allowed his front runner status to dissolve. Years from now, his campaign will be studied either for its strategic brilliance or stupidity, depending upon the outcome.

dedalus on January 18, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Yawn. The One Trick Pony candidate performs the only routine he knows yet again.

Could you explain this a little bit? I’m serious. I see it constantly but I don’t understand.

Rudy has his strengths and his record and that’s what he’s running on. It’s a good, solid record of achievement. It’s hardly just 9/11–as this ad wasn’t–but that’s part of it, no doubt.

But McCain was a POW, Mittens cleaned up the Olympics and started Staples, Fred was a TV star and a Senator and sounds sort of like Reagan, and Gomer…

I dunno, looks like the guy that stole a Twinkie out of your lunchbox and was a preacher once.

Anyway, all of them have their stump speeches and their reasons for running and they’re all familiar to any political junkie–which we must be or we wouldn’t be here–so why is Rudy any different?

Typhoon on January 18, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Someone with foreign policy experience and familiar with our intelligence apparatus. Therefore not Rudy.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Ok, we got it Hollowpoint, Rudy’s gonna come to your house, take your guns (if he wasn’t so damn lazy), then will not be able to communicate with the Defense department or foreign leaders because he doesn’t have experience there…

So, enlightened one…Who’s your horse?

kcluva on January 18, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Great, put him in charge of a “post 9-11 commission”, pay him a few bucks.
Bye-Bye…

right2bright on January 18, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Instead we get Huckabee? Not a great trade-off.

amerpundit on January 18, 2008 at 4:14 PM

No, it’s not. However, months ago some of us very tried to warn that social con / Christian conservative voters would not accept Rudy, and that there would be consequences to ignoring them. That consequence now appears to be the rise of the Huckster.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Rudy Giuliani for Attorney General!!!!!

It’s the job he was born to do. He’d be great in that position. He’s not going to get the Republican nomination because he’s pro-choice. But, he would make a great AG.

joncoltonis on January 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Oh, by the way, Kerry served in Vietnam…

right2bright on January 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Rudy to Huckabee: “You know I’d certainly make a great VP….I’d help you get the northeast better than Santorum would”

Huck/Rudy would be an odd ticket–Rudy as 2nd banana would seem to go against his personality. Santorum with Huck? That seems like an effort to get the fewest electoral votes possible.

dedalus on January 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:16 PM

So you think sitting in the Senate for a few years and maybe attending a few committee meetings or hearings dealing with intelligence is better preparation to lead the country in such a situation than having been associate attorney general and having run the largest police department in the country (with excellent results) in a very international city? If so, you’re delusional.

Big S on January 18, 2008 at 4:28 PM

The thing is, in my opinion, saying Rudy should be president because he was the mayor of New York when 9/11 happened is the same as saying John McCain got tortured and survived, so he should be president.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 4:29 PM

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 4:29 PM

How many times have you heard him rattle off his accomplishments and yet you still call him a one-trick pony?

kcluva on January 18, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Anyway, all of them have their stump speeches and their reasons for running and they’re all familiar to any political junkie–which we must be or we wouldn’t be here–so why is Rudy any different?

Typhoon on January 18, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Because Rudy seems incapable of explaining any of his positions without somehow bringing up NYC, even when it doesn’t help explain his stance at all.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Santorum with Huck? That seems like an effort to get the fewest electoral votes possible.

dedalus on January 18, 2008 at 4:26 PM

How do you figure??

Santorum will help Huck take the northeast…they love him up there no??

HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 4:36 PM

kcluva on January 18, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Never called him a one-trick pony. I know he has accomplishments. All the candidates have accomplishments. However, Rudy plays this card more than others. Watch the early debates, for God’s sake. He couldn’t give an answer without mentioning it. They’d ask him what his favorite food was, and he’d talk about a restaurant that got destroyed on 9/11.

I like him better than the Huckster and McCain. Only reason I like him more than McCain is that he hasn’t ruled out the use of torture, which means he has a serious attitude towards fighting the WOT. Past that, he has all of Mitt’s flaws with 10 times the skeletons in the closet.

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you know he was the 9/11 mayor. He’s going for the under the rock demographic, it seems.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Santorum will help Huck take the northeast…they love him up there no??

HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 4:36 PM

You don’t think Huck would associate with a papist like Santorum or Rudy, do you? Aren’t those catholics almost as evil as the dreaded Mormons?

/sarcasm

phronesis on January 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM

So you think sitting in the Senate for a few years and maybe attending a few committee meetings or hearings dealing with intelligence is better preparation to lead the country in such a situation than having been associate attorney general and having run the largest police department in the country (with excellent results) in a very international city? If so, you’re delusional.

Big S on January 18, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Associate attorney general? Not really a primarily a foriegn policy. And appointing police commissioner (who actually ran the police department) counts as foreign policy experience? Please.

I’m pretty sure that experience on the intelligence committee alone trumps that.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Catholics are the ones who formed the Holy Crusades and prevented the islamic conquest of europe!

A-ok in my book!

HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Guhhh!!!

CABE on January 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Associate attorney general? Not really a primarily a foriegn policy.

So we’re talking (vaguely) about “foreign policy” experience now? As associate attorney general, and later as a U.S. attorney, Giuliani was involved in combating crime in a manner that required his office to work with law enforcement and intelligence collection agencies, decide what to do with the information, and actually pursue justice. As Mayor, he was not involved in the day-to-day functioning of the police department, as you say, but was responsible for setting its course and making the big decisions about how to pursue crises, much like a president would manage his own executive departments and the military. In many cases, the offices Rudy held had to interface successfully with other cities, states, the federal government, and even the governments of other countries, giving him experience in intergovernmental relations that no career legislator can claim.

Big S on January 18, 2008 at 4:54 PM

At least rudy uses 9/11 which was an attack on the US rather than Guy Falwkes Day which was an attack in another country.

William Amos on January 18, 2008 at 4:56 PM

As Mayor, he was not involved in the day-to-day functioning of the police department, as you say, but was responsible for setting its course and making the big decisions about how to pursue crises,

You mean like putting the emergency response department where it could be destroyed along with the World Trade Center which had already been a target. You mean like suing gun manufacturers for daring to make legal guns (he decided they made too many) that happened to show up in his city where he brazenly decided to banned them. Violating Constitutional rights, using government lawyers to bully American companies, and placing necessary departments in harms way of destruction are all excellent reasons to conclude that he doesn’t make the best executive decisions in the face of crisis.

Too much crime? Obviously take guns from people is ruDy’s ‘crisis management’. The Constitution shouldn’t be ignored for AMERICANS ever. If you put everyone in jail, you won’t have any crime either.

ThackerAgency on January 18, 2008 at 5:14 PM

The thing is, in my opinion, saying Rudy should be president because he was the mayor of New York when 9/11 happened is the same as saying John McCain got tortured and survived, so he should be president.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 4:29 PM

True, true, except that the North Vietnamese did not torture John McCain by making him manage a huge bureaucracy, set budgets for the largest city in America, deal with unions, police, the Feds, organized crime, ……

Kafir on January 18, 2008 at 5:28 PM

OT:

Looks like Melanie Morgan Chairman of MoveAmericaFoward has endorsed Fred Thompson.

Via Ace through StopTheAclu

broker1 on January 18, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Thanks, broker1…it was a good read and a MUCH better topic.

tickleddragon on January 18, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Rudy was the mayor of the largest and mainly liberal city in the country. He made stuff happen and I didn’t like his firearms deal but I do understand it. I ran a gun shop and saw all the boneheads who try to purchase and the ignorance on handling a firearm. He was trying to curb violence but certain guns. Cripes batman, he made the city safer and cleaned it up with his policies so cut him some slack. If it comes down to Rudy, I would vote for him, however I prefer Thompson, then Mitt, then Rudy. Don’t let the MSM and poll pundints sway how WE ALL should vote I live in NH and came from NY and I approve this message. Live Free or Die isn’t just a sound bite, it is our state motto and as long as I can stand and fight for what is right, not expediant, I will.

bones47 on January 18, 2008 at 5:30 PM

Santorum will help Huck take the northeast…they love him up there no??

Yes, 41% of the people in Pennsylvania loved him in his last election there. His comments about gays and views on privacy would go over really well in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut.

Huck/Santorum might get a few states in the south, but against the Clintons even Arkansas would be tough.

dedalus on January 18, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Rudy is a darn good leader and not hated as someone said. I wonder if that person was or is from NY. I was there when he took on the mob, cleaned up NY, and made us feel secure and comforted after 9/11. Yeah, his social issues are not in line with mine, but to say he’s not a good leader to me is insane. He’s tough. You try taking on the mob and let me know how you do.

Conservatives R Us on January 18, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Rudy is a darn good leader and not hated as someone said. I wonder if that person was or is from NY. I was there when he took on the mob, cleaned up NY, and made us feel secure and comforted after 9/11. Yeah, his social issues are not in line with mine, but to say he’s not a good leader to me is insane. He’s tough. You try taking on the mob and let me know how you do.

Conservatives R Us on January 18, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Most here agree that he was a great leader for New York.

However, the entire country is not like New York, so we don’t know if we want him running the entire country.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 5:46 PM

I used to be extremely anti-Rudy, but as of late I’ve been softing towards him a bit. I’m still for Mitt, but I think Guliani would be a good cabinet member or something.

HYTEAndy on January 18, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Rudy’s The Man!

Chakra Hammer on January 18, 2008 at 5:56 PM

I have been a Rudy supporter this entire campaign, he’s the best candidate on either side.

Chakra Hammer on January 18, 2008 at 5:57 PM

I have been a Rudy supporter this entire campaign…

Chakra Hammer on January 18, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Shocker of the year.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Yawn. The One Trick Pony candidate performs the only routine he knows yet again.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:09 PM

The ad talks about challenging corruption, changing welfare, fighting crime, fixing broken government, and leading in times of national crisis.

That is one hell of a trick pony.

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 6:05 PM

However, the entire country is not like New York, so we don’t know if we want him running the entire country.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 5:46 PM

And THIS is specifically the point. All he ever talks about is what he did in New York. Every time he talks. . . even if it isn’t 9/11, it’s about something else he did in NY. WE (the other 290 million Americans) DON’T CARE!

This country is huge and vast and has a lot of different problems. Many of NY issues that ruDy takes credit for were the result of someone else too. The economy was humming along better than any in history and he was the benefactor of it. Just because ruDy was THERE when the economic boom happened doesn’t mean he caused it. That’s like crediting anything that Clinton did with the internet revolution that created wealth and jobs.

I have a problem with people who take too much credit for things that they didn’t necessarily CAUSE (scientifically speaking). Are we to believe that if ruDy wasn’t mayor during 9/11 that somehow it would not have been as ‘good’ as it was with him there? I think anyone would have done as good because you don’t really have a choice.

Tell the auto workers what you think about their issues. Tell the farmers how your ideas in the future might help them in their issues. Tell textile and manufacturing people what you think the direction should be on a federal level. Pointing to your record in NY doesn’t help an understanding of what you will do in REAL WORLD AMERICAN SITUATIONS (ie. I prosecuted the mob – of course I was a prosecutor and my dad was a hitman for them, but I prosecuted all 5 families – meaning made the weak members squeal). How is experience of prosecuting the mob (as a prosecutor) going to help him help Americans in Iowa, or North Carolina? That’s like Michael Jordan running because he won 6 NBA championships. Hey great Michael, what difference does that make in my life. You were a great basketball player/ prosecutor who cares?

That’s what ruDy and his supporters don’t understand. They keep pointing to what he did in NY and that’s supposed to be some sort of magical elixir that everyone is just supposed to say ‘Oh, he did THAT?! well then we must vote for him.’ New York is not like anywhere else in the country. None of his supporters have yet to understand that, and neither has ruDy himself.

ThackerAgency on January 18, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Did I miss first comment again?

What to do, what to do…..

csdeven on January 18, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Someone with foreign policy experience and familiar with our intelligence apparatus. Therefore not Rudy.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Is that the same Rudy that you criticize for having a security arrangement with essential US mideast ally Qatar? And the same Rudy that was the 3rd highest ranking official in the Reagan Justice Department, you know the Department that the FBI is in?

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Here is the problem I have with Rudy.

He hasn’t been running for a month now. He hasn’t been scrutinized like the rest of the candidates lately. If he wins Florida, the long knives will come out, and we will see what really lies in Rudy’s past.

Right now, it’s Rudy or Mitt. But that may change if we find some skeletons in Rudy’s closet.

csdeven on January 18, 2008 at 6:11 PM

How is experience of prosecuting the mob (as a prosecutor) going to help him help Americans in Iowa, or North Carolina?

You don’t see any parallels between Islamic terrorist groups and the Mafia? Really? What about the “broken windows” policing policies he put into action in NYC? You don’t see any parallels between that and the surge strategy in Iraq? You don’t see the parallels between his crime policies in NYC and what needs to be done in order to address illegal immigration and/or port security? If not, I suggest you do some more research. I assume you don’t think tax and welfare reform could be of any use in the rest of the country, either, not to mention the need to get control of the various executive branch departments, and make them work in America’s interests, not against them (e.g. making sure Rudy talks about NYC precisely because he recognizes the similarities in the problems NYC faced compared to those the country now faces.

Big S on January 18, 2008 at 6:17 PM

oops.

(e.g. leaks from the State Department) Rudy talks about NYC precisely because he recognizes the similarities in the problems NYC faced compared to those the country now faces.

Big S on January 18, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Big S on January 18, 2008 at 6:19 PM

I know he has accomplishments. All the candidates have accomplishments.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Not true. Rudy is the only candidate with real accomplishments in public service. Mitt made money and saved the Olympics — big deal. Huck lost weight. McCain was shot down and got tortured (with class). Fred convicted a handful of moonshiners, botched an investigation of Clinton and help McCain pass CFR. Only Rudy has wiz bang accomplishments — breaking the five mafia families, wrecking the junk bond kings, saving NYC from crime, welfarism and excessive taxes, and leading the recovery of NYC after 9/11.

If you find yourself criticizing Rudy for listing his impressive accomplishments, that is because you are backing a candidate who’s accomplishment pale by comparison.

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Because Rudy seems incapable of explaining any of his positions without somehow bringing up NYC, even when it doesn’t help explain his stance at all.

Hollowpoint on January 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Related, and true. It’s often because what works in NYC tends to work elsewhere. We’re all human, after all.

Big S on January 18, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Tell the auto workers what you think about their issues. Tell the farmers how your ideas in the future might help them in their issues. Tell textile and manufacturing people what you think the direction should be on a federal level. Pointing to your record in NY doesn’t help an understanding of what you will do in REAL WORLD AMERICAN SITUATIONS

So you’d have the federal government step in and right all those situations huh? You think a President should have a plan for each of those industries and then if boy, we just get that guy, all our problems will go away, huh?

See, it doesn’t work that way. Truth is what we’ve got is a whining country that can’t understand that as long as we keep looking to government to solve all our problems, they’re only going to get worse.

And the fact is, in New York, Rudy took a city that was rife with that very mindset, and turned it around.

That’s about as close–as real live actual close–to the kind of real experience it’s going to take to even try to face the real challenges facing this country as any candidate can ever have other than doing the actual job.

Typhoon on January 18, 2008 at 6:28 PM

ThackerAgency on January 18, 2008 at 6:07 PM

FYI — Rudy was the mayor of New York City.
If he talks about his experience and accomplishments I think NYC will be mentioned. Let’s have Mitt not mention Mass or Fred the South. Huck would love to forget ARK. Wait. That’s not fair. As I pointed out earlier, Rudy actually has accomplishments in his personal history to point to. The other candidates, not so much.

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Right now, it’s Rudy or Mitt. But that may change if we find some skeletons in Rudy’s closet.

csdeven on January 18, 2008 at 6:11 PM

No skeletons, just a few dresses. ;-)

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 6:30 PM

No skeletons, just a few dresses. ;-)

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 6:30 PM

hahaha!!

csdeven on January 18, 2008 at 6:38 PM

If you find yourself criticizing Rudy for listing his impressive accomplishments, that is because you are backing a candidate who’s accomplishment pale by comparison.

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Nice spin, but as denial as it gets. “If you criticize what my candidate did, then no matter who yours is, theirs are worse.” Give me a break.

And referring to “wiz bang accomplishments”, I guess taking down the corrupt governor of Tennessee doesn’t count. Why? Well, they’re in the south, which makes Fred and everyone around him just a “bunch of moonshiners”. Careful, your elitism is showing…just like it has before. Remember, your boy Rudy is putting all his eggs in a southern basket. If he adopts your bigotry about those below the Mason-Dixon line, you might find your New Yawk lawyer trottin’ back to Manhattan with his tail between his legs.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 6:43 PM

And referring to “wiz bang accomplishments”, I guess taking down the corrupt governor of Tennessee doesn’t count.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Even if Fred did that (which he didn’t), it would still be insignificant to Rudy’s accomplishments as a prosecutor against the mafia and corruption on Wall Street.

Fred was not responsible for removing Gov. Blanton. Fred was a private practice tort lawyer for a woman named Marie Ragghianti. Fred won $38,000 for Marie and took his 1/3 contingent fee. So, Fred made a whopping $12,666.67 off the deal. Then the real prosecutors in Tennessee, took up some information that Fred had accidentally stumbled upon. Then they, not Fred, brought down the governor. But that never stopped Fred from taking credit for “fighting corruption.”

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Remember, your boy Rudy is putting all his eggs in a southern basket.

Not really. Florida’s in the south. But it isn’t exactly a “Southern” state. Rudy’s counting on the Cuban community in Miami and retired New Yorkers to carry the day.

Will it pay? Who knows? But if it does, the bounce will be incredible. The same press that wrote him off as roadkill will be praising him as a strategic genius days before Super Teusday.

Whether it does or it doesn’t, however, it’s not all that dependent on southerners such as Tenneseans or South Carolinians.

Typhoon on January 18, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Remember, your boy Rudy is putting all his eggs in a southern basket. If he adopts your bigotry about those below the Mason-Dixon line, you might find your New Yawk lawyer trottin’ back to Manhattan with his tail between his legs.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 6:43 PM

You are right. If Rudy looses FL, he will have run the worst campaign in history. He was leading all the polls just a few weeks ago, and if he looses FL, he will probably not win a single state and may not even break 10% in any state — pathetic. However, my prediction still holds. If he wins, FL, when we wake up on 2/6 Rudy will be the delegate leader.

I really have no idea what you are talking about with bias. I grew up and went to school in Texas. Last time I checked, Texas was South of Madison…

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Honestly I wouldn’t have (too) much trouble pulling Rudy’s lever in the general. A little moderate for my taste…

There are more conservative choices… and I’d rather pull their levers first.

I’d like to see the race down to just 3 horses… Mitt, Rudy and Fred. Only my opinion, but I figure there are some others who would agree with that 3 way race here. No need to have Huckaspin or Maveramnesty.

knob on January 18, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Fred was not responsible for removing Gov. Blanton…

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Actually, he was. In the course of the investigation of Marie’s case, it was he who first brought the fact that the governor was taking bribes for clemency to light. Had it not been for him, the “real prosecutors” (nice shot at acting like Fred isn’t a real lawyer, by the way…your spin is that Fred is the antichrist from what I can tell) would have not been aware of the scandal and not taken action.

I really have no idea what you are talking about with bias. I grew up and went to school in Texas. Last time I checked, Texas was South of Madison…

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Talking about him only taking down a handful of moonshiners is a gross generalization of someone who works as an attorney in Tennessee. It’s on par with comments others like BKennedy have made, regarding “hicks” and the like. It seems like the most vociferous of Fred-haters usually manage to reference his heritage at some point.

And besides which, your generalization is utterly false:

He worked as an assistant U.S. attorney from 1969 to 1972,[14] successfully prosecuting bank robberies and other cases.

There is a difference between us. I acknowledge Rudy’s accomplishments because I have no hatred for him merely because I want someone else to be nominated. You refuse to do the same for Fred because you have that hatred, else you would not make such ignorant assertations while shining Rudy’s accomplishments in a light that might as well make him Atticus Finch.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Good ad about a good record. Giuliani’s my third-favorite candidate, which is not a bad thing, and I’d be quite content with a Giuliani presidency.

Tzetzes on January 18, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Talking about him only taking down a handful of moonshiners is a gross generalization of someone who works as an attorney in Tennessee. It’s on par with comments others like BKennedy have made, regarding “hicks” and the like. It seems like the most vociferous of Fred-haters usually manage to reference his heritage at some point.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Sure bank robbery is a federal offense. He had to try them. But more than anything else, Fred used his time to chase moonshiners. And that is important, because it conflicts with his stated ideals of federalism and state’s rights.

There were a few bank robbers and counterfeiters. But more than anything, Thompson took on the state’s moonshiners and a local culture, rooted in Tennessee’s hills and hollows, that celebrated the independent whiskey maker’s battle against the government’s revenue agents.

Twenty-seven of his cases involved moonshining — more than any other crime.

tommylotto on January 18, 2008 at 10:48 PM

All right, I concede you were accurate in your description, and I was wrong. Having said that, you left out an important quote from that article:

Chasing the moonshiners “was hard work,” said Charles Lowe, who investigated cases for the federal division then called Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. “The population in general bought the whiskey, and they kind of sided with the bootleggers philosophically. But Fred believed in what he was doing. . . . He fought.

A fighter? Sounds like a good president.

MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 11:30 PM