Should Fred’s supporters abandon him tomorrow for … Huckabee?
posted at 8:30 pm on January 18, 2008 by Allahpundit
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T-minus 24 hours and counting until, in all likelihood, his political career’s over. I can’t resist one last poke at the Fredhead beehive for old time’s sake.
The argument comes from Patrick Ruffini: Since Huckabee probably doesn’t have the money or organization to run the table on Super Ultra Mega Tuesday but McCain does, shouldn’t South Carolina’s Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson supporters defect tomorrow and vote for Huck to blunt Mac’s momentum heading into Florida? That’s an easy yes in the first two cases but in Fred’s case it would mean the end. Has the time come to take Ol’ Yeller out back? Ruffini says … yes:
If you’re a Romney or a Rudy guy, this is a relative no-brainer. This will be tougher for FredHeads, since their guy has made a stand in the state. But with less than 24 hours to go, and Fred running no better than a weak third, it is probably time to face facts. It’s too bad, because conservatives deserve Fred Thompson as a choice, but it just doesn’t seem to be happening.
John Tabin at Reason likewise fears the Reaper:
Alas, Thompson has hardly taken the race by storm. Glenn Reynolds wrote last month that he might have joined Volokh et al. in endorsing Thompson if he hadn’t observed how poorly Thompson’s campaign is run behind the scenes. That poorly run campaign has yielded poor results. Thompson’s low-key affect and introverted personality made him ill-suited to the hands-on retail politicking that Iowans expect, and he edged out John McCain for third place in the Iowa caucuses by just three tenths of a percentage point despite spending much more time than McCain stumping in the Hawkeye State (McCain focused on New Hampshire, where he won). He made almost no effort in the New Hampshire and Michigan primaries, where he got less than 2 percent and less than 4 percent of the vote, respectively…
Perhaps something will change the dynamics of the race in the remaining hours before South Carolina Republicans go to the polls tomorrow, and Thompson will catch a break. But at the moment, his prospects don’t appear to give fans of smaller government any reason to abandon the pessimism that has by now become all too familiar.
Re: how poorly run Fred’s campaign is/was, be sure to see this Mark Steyn item at the Corner if you missed it last night. Has the time come, ‘Heads? If the polls hold and Fred finishes fourth with less than half of McCain’s vote, Romney’s going to be your guy anyway come Sunday morning. Why not vote strategically tomorrow?
I offer you this to remember the man by. Meanwhile, here’s the state of conservatism in 2008: A RINO touting the kind words of another RINO in, of all places, South Carolina. Between them they’ve got 50% of the vote. Good lord.
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Well, as a Fredhead I have to say, in all probablity this weekend is the end of the road for us. And for a chance to put up a real conservative in the general election. This is the point in the process that I hate. When I have to settle for the lesser of evils and throw my support toward someone I don’t really like or think will represent my views because the alternative is just too horrible to contemplate.
That said, if Fred tanks this weekend, I am a Mitt guy.
conservnut on January 19, 2008 at 12:29 AM
This thread is indicative of what a chaotic and rudderless vessel the Republican party of today is, and why it deserves to lose in November.
Those who have them, shelter your assets and keep a low profile for a few years, and hope against hope that some sanity will prevail.
Those who’re so inclined pray for enlightenment.
Everyone, wish this country good luck.
Entelechy on January 19, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Oh PS I say let people get all the abortions they want. It only thins the Lib herd. Can I donate somewhere?
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 12:27 AM
You are killing me!
I am pro life, but that was funny!
MITX on January 19, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Negatory Ghost rider, the pattern is full.
Fred is gonna kick some serious boo-day Sat. You just watch.
In a few weeks he will be the obviouse choise and folks are gonna think they were Fredheads from the start.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Psy. Ops. are sweet.
Allah you magnificent bastard.
Reverse psychology to enrage the Fred!heads will surely lead to a Fred! victory in Sweet Caroline.
omnipotent on January 19, 2008 at 12:33 AM
I think there are lib spoilers [moles]among us just sewing seeds of decent.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Yes Huck is a consistent conservative look at his record of cutting taxes 94 times(don’t give me the lame argument of the 500m tax increase..Reagan raised taxes in ca. $1 billion in todays money that is $10 billion)
Look at Huckabee’s record of executive leadership.. arkansas was a hellhole after the Clinton years(dirt roads,49th in education) he built roads,he raised the education record from 49th to 8th… he is a true leader and the most experienced leader in both parties…all the rest of the candidates are a bunch of senators,lobbyists etc.
Huckabee is the consistent conservative with values that have never changed…all the rest have no real values and are just blowing in the wind!!
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Oh I am pro-life too, Big time.
Pro human life that is. ha ha ha
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 12:36 AM
That abortion is murder? No. It’s NOT a view. It’s FACT!!! How can you argue life does not begin at conception? I don’t get that.
No. By the way, are you the only one with an opinion?
Hold on. What do you believe? Are you an evilutionist?
apacalyps on January 19, 2008 at 12:37 AM
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Gotta point there, darlin’!
MITX on January 19, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Why is it every time you post I get a mental picture of Bill Clinton talking about family values?
Stashiu3 on January 19, 2008 at 12:38 AM
I have only two things to leave the Huckatrolls with.
1. There is a commandment about bearing false witness.
2. Matthew 7:15-23
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“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.
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By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
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Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.
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A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.
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Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
20
So by their fruits you will know them.
21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
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Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
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Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
If you’re really serious and not just Huck campaign plants, I advise you to look at Hucks positions, which seem to be built on foundations of sand by the way they shift, and his rather duplicitous parsing of his record. Oh, and the religious demagogery, too.
BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 12:39 AM
“it only thins the liberal herd”
that’s a very destructive view…abortion is murder. Those children are not liberals and don’t deserve to die!
Life is a holy and a gift from God.
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 12:39 AM
They carry the gene.
It all works out in the end.
Dawinism
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Hillary, is that you? Cigarman maybe? Perhaps you just listen to the liberal whether-men [whether they are right today, or whether they are right decades from now, they are eventually right] too much? They’ve been predicting gloom and doom throughout the 21st. Century so they are due to be right one of these days. Maybe it will be AlGorbal Warming that gets you … Maybe.
Go Fred Go!
DannoJyd on January 19, 2008 at 12:11 AM
This is not doom and gloom. The market has lost 14% of its vaule in 3 weeks. We are in a market crash as we speak. Banks are very close to being insolvent. Runs on banks could be ocurring soon. great american companies like apple, Intel, Deere, Gm, google have lost 20-40% of their vaule overnight. people’s 401k’s ira’s are being wiped out on a daily basis. this is reality, this is happening now. this is not made up stuff. Check the figures. do the math. the USA has just lost trillions of dollars of its wealth in the last 3 weeks. Do you understand? Trillion of wealth GONE. Can you grasp what is going on? The entire modern Western financial system is on the cliff. The banks are located in america, europe, Asia. All are close to insolvency. It is a worldwide issue. And almost no one sees it because the MSM is not reporting it.
This is not doom and gloom. this is real and people need to pay attention to this. You entire life savings are at risk. credit card rates can and will shoot up to 30-40% overnight as banks try to get any type of revenue into the system. All adjustable lpoans will shoot up. The Federal government will have to bail out 100’s of billions of deposits.
will all of this happen? alot of it has already happened. The very worse is very close to being fulfilled. There is still a very narrow window of oppurtunity to save us from the depression that is coming. But our leaders do not even see the problem. They do not understand or they do not want to frighten us. Either way they are not doing what is needed. Our congress people do not even know who the Fed chairman is let alone how interest rates effect the economy. $800 rebate please.
every single American should be petrified of what is happening with housing. This has not happend since 1929. And that is not being hyperbole that is fact. Look it up, protect yourself. Tuesday may be a very very bad day in the market.
I have not seen the level of fear on Wall street since 1987. We have 3 days to think about it, try to fix it, and to regroup. three days. that is not much time.
unseen on January 19, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Should Fred’s supporters abandon him tomorrow for … Huckabee?
In a word…NO!
awake on January 19, 2008 at 12:43 AM
I don’t throw smears and insults at Romney. If you’re angry because I’m pointing out how he’s liberal, get over it. If you’re angry that I’m pointing out that some people overlook those liberal tendencies because of his hair, maybe you should consider your priorities a little more carefully. If you want to throw around straight out insults, go right ahead. As I said:
You stay classy.
Hey look! Convenient but empty soundbyte! Let’s fill it with some fact:
Fred Thompson lobbied to lift the restriction that prevented workers at federally-funded medical facilities from even mentioning abortion as a choice for pregnant mothers when telling them what their options were.
In other words, he lobbied to allow nurses to tell pregnant women something they likely already knew about a legal procedure.
Yeah, that’s real damning to his abortion record, especially since he will be pushing to allow individual states to outlaw abortion if he wins the presidency. YOWIE! GAME OVER, MAN! GAME OVER!
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Wow. That’s adorable. No, really, that’s cute. I knew it. George Lucas is writing all your material.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Thank you MadCon!
MITX on January 19, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Sowing the seeds of decent.
What a great campaign slogan for Fred!
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 12:46 AM
It doen’t matter to you that fred gave legal advice to Qadaffi’s libyan muslim nazi terrorists who murdered hundreds of innocent civilians???
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 12:47 AM
*snort*
dissent?
MITX on January 19, 2008 at 12:47 AM
That was a good one. i’ll have to look into that further when i have time, Mike Huckabee rejects letting states decide whether to allow abortions, claiming the right to life is a moral issue not subject to multiple interpretations.
“It’s the logic of the Civil War,” Huckabee said Sundae_DE paring abortion rights to slavery. “If morality is the point here, and if it’s right or wrong, not just a political question, then you can’t have 50 different versions of what’s right and what’s wrong.”
apacalyps on January 19, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Nope. Why? It was legal and ethical. Jurisdictional advice was a crucial part of their defense, and a lawyer is bound to defend their client to the best of their abilities, ethically, and within the law. In other words, he did his job. Can’t say the same for Huck, unless you count his tax raises or amnesty loving or support of junk food taxes and cigarette bans doing his job.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Oh, and they weren’t nazis, genius. Love to hear where you got that one.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 12:50 AM
ha ha Cant take credit for that. it was just bad spelling.
But you are right. Fred can and will bring the nation back to the fold of conservatism. Where McShanesty will have us speaking Spanish and Huck will have us moving to Jonestown.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 12:51 AM
apacalyps,
Why don’t you look into it right now?
Repeating a meme is such a continually agitated, hyper fashion is only off putting. I can’t believe you guys don’t realize this.
INC on January 19, 2008 at 12:51 AM
You’re right..he did his job… for the muslim nazi terrorists!
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Mike Huckabee rejects letting states decide
There ya go… He rejects federalism…
On that note, gnight
stlpatriot on January 19, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Ha ha… you don’t say!!
Err… wait a minute. It was me that posted that.
Nevermind.
Nothing to see here, move along, lol
apacalyps on January 19, 2008 at 12:51 AM
NO, that is not FACT… it is a JUDGEMENT… it is an OPINION… it is a BELIEF. Once again you show your arrogance by passing opinion off as fact, and expecting us all to just go along with it….
What I believe is between me and the Universe… and if you’re correct and Jesus is sittin beside God on judgement day, then I’ll stand by my beliefs and actions… and be judged accordingly… but I WON’T be expecting a pass just cause a “asked” for it… thats a cop out, and I might add, a very recent interpretation of Christianity.
As to evolution… I don’t think either YOUR views in a stritly biblical view are correct… nor do I think that scientists have it all correct either… I think there is a plan… but it works thourgh the natual laws of the Universe…
If there is an omnipotent/omniscient god… why in the heck would he have to be in a hurry? Why couldn’t he set his plan in motion to take a few million years? After all… he is ETERNAL.
and even if God came down and explained it to some poor illiterate Sheep herder in the Desert… there is NO way the sheep herder would even have the language to explain how it all really worked…
So, do I believe in Evolution? Yes… do I believe that theres a Plan??? Yep… that too… they are not incompatble.
Romeo13 on January 19, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Oh, and they weren’t nazis, genius. Love to hear where you got that one.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Read the koran and hadith….they are nazi’s
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Tell me what’s wrong with pro-choicers preventing themselves from breeding.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 12:52 AM
WOW.
WOW.
Hoo hoo…WOW.
So which Sura of the Koran put forth that Der Fuhrer Hitler will be the father of the thousand year reich?
Dude…you just made me spurt beer out of my nose. Woo hoo. Heh. Keeeeerist.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 12:54 AM
maybe you can suggest castration to them….not murdering an innocent human being!
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 12:54 AM
nazism=kill all jews islam=kill all jews
see the connection?
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 12:55 AM
So that isn’t gloom and doom? Could have fooled me. /sarc
Go Fred Go!
DannoJyd on January 19, 2008 at 12:57 AM
New ARG Poll shows a 9% bump for Fred to 21%.
http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/screp8-712.html
Looks like Fred is connecting!
kerrhome on January 19, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Wow. Wow wow wow.
Dude…wow.
I want to watch you take a one hour logic class, so I can see what a human head looks like when it bursts.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 12:57 AM
You had me at cast… where do I sign?
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Even late at night, in haste, loyalty’s a hard thing to suppress, it just shines through.
That’s why the Townhall kid thinks we’re elitists, I guess. *sigh*
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 12:59 AM
so much verbiage… so little knowledge…
They are FACISTS… not Nazis… Nazis were Facists… but Nazis had their own Religion. Mussolini was also a Facist… although not a Nazi.
sigh…. If your going to throw insults around, a least get them correct…
Romeo13 on January 19, 2008 at 12:59 AM
I’ll give ya a quick one so you can have an aneurysm. 1979. Osama Bin Laden = Wants to defeat the Soviets
America = Wants to defeat the Soviets
America is Osama Bin Laden.
Get where your ludicrous logic is going? Neither do I.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:00 AM
No he has a point there. Hitler was very well aligned with the Islamist during wwII in fact The Baathe party is modeled after the nazi party.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Of course.
Hey, Harald.
apacalyps on January 19, 2008 at 1:00 AM
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/musnazi.html
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:01 AM
so, when the Communists in Russia were waging Pogroms, they were Nazis?
Wow…
Guess the Poles were Nazi too? when they suppresed the Jews? And can’t forget the Holy Roman Empire… and the Roman Empire… guess they were all Nazis too???
Wow…
Romeo13 on January 19, 2008 at 1:01 AM
So the Libyan terrorist hijackers belonged to the German National Socialist Party? I didn’t see their swastikas in court, strangely enough…
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:01 AM
DannoJyd on January 19, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Doom and Gloom? Read the facts understand what you are talking about. Are you paying attention to the markets? Do you follow the economy? Do you understand what is going on? This is not doom and gloom. This is present day in your face fact. If I told you your house was burning would you tell me I was being all doom and gloomy when infact your house was burning. The house is burning.
Bad things can blindside you when you are not looking. I’m saying look this truck is coming. You do with it what you want.
unseen on January 19, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Why do you persist in starting every post with, “I think we can all agree?” Have you actually read the comments on here? Ever find anything that all commenters can agree on?
Imagine if I started a post saying, “I think we can all agree that froghat’s comments never add anything to a discussion.”
Okay. So maybe in that one case it actually makes sense….
theregoestheneighborhood on January 19, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Who really cares what Huckabee thinks? What the hell is he going to do about it, amend the Constitution? In order to do that he’d have to kill off tens of millions of pro-choice liberals first, which would severely crimp Huckabee’s pro-life credentials.
Why don’t you join the rest of us in the real world? It may not be as pretty but if you want to make it better first you have to acknowledge that it exists.
FloatingRock on January 19, 2008 at 1:03 AM
Dude, you’re giving credence to horribly, HORRIBLY fractured logic. By that same token, because both America and the Soviet Union wanted to defeat the nazis, that makes Americans Soviets and Soviets Americans. It’s the worst kind of fractured fallacy of logic I can imagine.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:03 AM
kerrhome on January 19, 2008 at 12:57 AM
interesting
stlpatriot on January 19, 2008 at 1:03 AM
We must remember what the actual meaning af facism is:
Facist, Facism :
A fascist government believes that only one race or subgroup is fit to rule, hold power or exist.
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Dem-wits call Bush a fascist and that is a misuse of the term. However One could say that Islamic beliefs are fascist because they advocate one particular religion should rule and that infidels either be killed, converted or subjugated.
Nazi:
Etymology: German, by shortening & alteration from Nationalsozialist, from national national + Sozialist socialist
Date: 1930
1: a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler
You’ll hear this term thrown all over the place. Typically by leftist bomb throwers. Nazi, a real Nazi is just a person that believes in nationalized socialism but you have to also know that the Nazi of Germany was also fascist. The Baath party of Iraq and Syria are modeled after the Nazi party and they too are fascist.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:04 AM
Since I know the Huckatroll is going to answer you with nothing but platitudes and obfuscation, but the question itself is legitimate (and I’m feeling generous today):
It is not moral or ethical to judge children by the sins/beliefs/ideology of their parents. Moreover, abortion does take a manifestly, irrefutably innocent life. The protection of human life is a higher value than making sure liberals aren’t breeding, “protecting choice,” or whatever other rationalization that can be made for it.
As a matter of fact, the most influential members of the pro-life movement are all converts. Presumably their parents were pro-choice, since pro-lifers tend to abhor abortion and pass it on to their children. As odd as it may sound, allowing “liberals” to abort may be offing the next great pro-life leader.
Advocating the destuction of human life in order to diminish the numbers of our political opponents is no better a justification for abortion than any other. It makes us exactly the same as the people we oppose and/or dispise. Human life is precious, not a commodity to be weighed in a metaphysical utilitarian geopolitical battle.
You can’t just “make more” of an individual human being. Sure, you can get pregnant again, but the child will invariably be different. Even identical twins behave differently.
BKennedy on January 19, 2008 at 1:04 AM
the gran mufti of jerusalem (the supreme leader of islam at the time) suggested the holocaust to hitler when hitler was trying to deport all jews to palestine.
The grand mufti was allowed to join the nazi party and had his own SS group…
Chechnyan muslim nazi’s and bosnian muslim nazi’s were also allowed to join the nazi party and were given their own SS units and murdered millions of jews.
Hitler hated all religions except for islam and said the if only the german people were muslims they never would have been defeated in WW1 and praised islam extensively!
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 1:05 AM
That’s fantastic. And once you drum up Qaddaffi’s personal SS team, or his Nazi flag or armband, or his declaration of being a member of the Nazi party, you can go on making that insane connection between Islam and Nazis all you like. Until then, WOW.
Amazing. Simply stunning.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:08 AM
This thread should charge a cover fee and a two drink minimum. Comedy gold!
I have an ad lib coming in…five minutes.
sulla on January 19, 2008 at 1:08 AM
No not at all.
During WWII we only allied with Stalin because an enemy of your enemy is your fried. as soon as the NAZIs where crushed it was game on. In fact the Soviets where spying and trying to screw us while we where giving them tanks and arms.
You have to think in larger terms this world is not “Good against evil” it is more like ” good against evil against evil against evil.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:08 AM
When pulling the lever for your candidate has the direct effect of making McCain–a NON-conservative–a nearly unstoppable force for nomination, your conviction has transformed into mania.
Nessuno on January 18, 2008 at 9:17 PM
And when you suggest Thompson supporters help their candidate out by voting for another candidate entirely in the single most important state for your candidate to win, then your suggestion comes from serious delusion.
But then, you apparently think people who want Thompson for president should be voting for … Romney? You sure you understand this whole “politics” thingy?
theregoestheneighborhood on January 19, 2008 at 1:09 AM
I’ll moon the truck if you don’t mind, and while I’m doing that why don’t you stop posting here and go fix this problem that is oh-so-imminent? Really though, notice that I am the only one responding to you, and that I’m doing so because you are giving me a good laugh? Take the hint already, Hillary!
Go Fred Go!!!
DannoJyd on January 19, 2008 at 1:09 AM
MADCON
check out he photo of mufti and hitler top left corner
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 1:11 AM
No, that is all historically true. I think you are going to have a lot a fun studying this stuff.
Put it this way Hitler was an uber hero to Saddam Husain but so was Stalin wierd huh?
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:11 AM
Somebody help me here. I forget the name of this fallacy:
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:11 AM
When pulling the lever for your candidate has the direct effect of making McCain–a NON-conservative–a nearly unstoppable force for nomination, your conviction has transformed into mania.
Nessuno on January 18, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Exactly!
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Mad…SitRep’s right.
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Libya was a Nazi state? They belonged to the Nazi party? Provide proof of a link between Qaddaffi and the Nazi party, not of some Mufti in the 1930s and Hitler.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:13 AM
Not concerning the assertation HH made. HH said the Libyan terrorists were Nazis, and verified it by making the correlation that because they were Islamic, and therefore wanted to kills Jews, they were Nazis because Nazis also wanted to kill Jews. That’s a fallacy of logic. I’m trying to track down the specific name of that set of conditions.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:15 AM
Mad…SitRep’s right.
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 1:12 AM
*cough* cough*
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 1:15 AM
AAhhh. See, this is the BK I admired on this site. This is the BK that I thought I knew. This is the BK I look forward to after this whole process.
geckomon on January 19, 2008 at 1:15 AM
islam and nazism are in alignment and both from the same demonic source
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 1:16 AM
so… I guess Churchill was a communist… because he had a very famous picture taken with Stalin…
Wow… learn somthing new every day…
NOT!
Romeo13 on January 19, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Now granted ,Hitler would have killed all the islamist as soon as he met certain benchmarks. much like he wanted to do to Stalin [his one time ally]
People forget that WWII was largly driven by the “want of control of the worlds oil resourses”
The Japs where going for Indonesia and the Krauts for bakuu and north africa. They already had all of the Arabia secured by treaty.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Don’t cough at me, please. Shouldn’t you be sewing on your Crusade Suit instead?
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 1:17 AM
already finished that along time ago
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 1:18 AM
Islam was started 1500 years ago in the desert.
Nazism was started 80 years ago by a bunch of angry Germans and an Austrian, and ended after about 25 years.
The KKK also hates jews. Are they in alignment with Islam?
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:18 AM
a long time ago
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 1:18 AM
No, SitRep is giving factual information that doesn’t apply to the original point. Libyan terrorists were not members of the Nazi Party, even though both Islamists and Nazis are both fascists. HaraldHardrada kept saying, “Qadaffi’s libyan muslim nazi terrorists” and MadCon called him on it. I’m just surprised HaraldHardrada didn’t add “homophobic, gay-bashing, undemocratic, smelly, poo-poo heads” to the description. Just to see what would stick.
Stashiu3 on January 19, 2008 at 1:20 AM
No no no ! Before Hitler turned on Stalin we did not have sh]t to do with the commie bastarrds but when Hitler turned on Stalin, he became our useful ally. and thank god he did because the Russians fought some ungodly battles on the Eastern front. We where running supplies to the Reds and every thing. But as soon as Berlin fell it was over.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Now that muslim nazi is an established and valid term…So your hero was the attorney for libyan muslim nazi terrorists and you don’t mind?
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 1:21 AM
DannoJyd on January 19, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Thanks. You just confirmed that people can be that stupid. If you can understand a chart take a look at this:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI&t=1y
You see the very right of that chart? Can your thick skull understand what that means? Do you understand what a selloff is? Do you understand the history of 1929?
Need more? take a gander at this beauty.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EIXIC&t=1y
Still not sure that there might be a small problem here how about a small business chart:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=IWM&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
But hey its all doom and gloom right. How much have you lost in the last 3 weeks? Have you checked your 401k lately? your IRA? Do you even have any wealth to lose? How secure is your job when your company can not make payroll because there is no commercial credit to fund short term debt?
But hey you know it’s all good. Who cares. Right? Let me get a good laugh as my country goes into insolvency. While people concern themselves with real important stuff like wether muslims and nazis are the same. yeah what’s a couple more trillion?
unseen on January 19, 2008 at 1:21 AM
You know, when the candidate is finally picked, whoever it may be, I look forward to seeing all the energy and passion directed in (near) unison at the Democrat’s nominee.
It’s not that pretty now, but the process should result in a stronger nominee and a more energized base. We’re going to need that come November.
sulla on January 19, 2008 at 1:22 AM
Dude, I friggin’ hate those things…I barely passed that class in college.
doubleplusundead on January 19, 2008 at 1:22 AM
Okay, this one seems to work:
Affirming the consequent
You’re making the argument that:
Nazis like to kill jews.
The Libyan bombers like to kill jews.
Therefore, the Libyan bombers are nazis.
No. Wrong. False. Lots of people like or liked to kill jews. Communists, Fascists, Klan members, Nazis, Muslims, Christians, etc, etc…
If you like to kill jews, it does not make you automatically belonging to all those groups.
And for the last time, until you can show me the swastikas on the armbands of the Libyan bombers, I’ll stick with WOW.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:23 AM
Not everyone has EDS (Evangelical Derangement Syndrome) but many do. We’ll just have to disagree on this. Thanks.
apacalyps on January 19, 2008 at 1:24 AM
All muslims are not nazis, and all nazis are not muslims. Get that through your thick head. And until you can provide proof that the libyan terrorists who blew up Pan Am 103 belonged to the Nazi party or identified themselves as Nazis, quit looking for ways to deflect attention from your candidate’s liberal policies.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:25 AM
Oh.
…I kinda took it in high school. And aced it. Sorry. :(
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:26 AM
No that is a different matter Fred did not do what you acert.
While working at a large law firm he was asked to consult with some other lawyers in his firm. He was not active in the cases so he did not have to register as a foriegn agent. I think this is all a matter of public record.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:27 AM
unseen on January 19, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Look. Everybody is making money shorting stocks right now.
Hype is all it is.
Consider that we have had the largest growth recently and the largest economy ever….and then assume a recession decreases the economy by 10%-15%….you still have a huge amount of capital in the U.S. Far more than was around at the height of the tech boom that clinton took credit for.
We’ll be ok.
HaraldHardrada on January 19, 2008 at 1:28 AM
I’ve been trying to backtrack to the beginning of this, but the thread is so splintered I’m having trouble. Can you link to the starting point, by any chance?
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Since the twit ignored my answer to his question earlier because he wanted to further his fallacious argument…
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Start from here and read down.
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Why not admit that what really has you concerned is this and this? BTW, you would be much more believable if so many liberal bloggers[?] hadn’t voiced your concerned over the past several years. Also, when will you be voting for Ron Paul?
Go Fred Go!
DannoJyd on January 19, 2008 at 1:30 AM
I’ve been trying to backtrack to the beginning of this, but the thread is so splintered I’m having trouble. Can you link to the starting point, by any chance?
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Nevermind, found it, rereading now.
RushBaby on January 19, 2008 at 1:30 AM
concerns
DannoJyd on January 19, 2008 at 1:31 AM
You are right there but you have to understand that there is a connection. The Nazis really freaking hate the islamist. but at that time in history they where wining and dining the Islamist big time. some the Muslims saw the nazis as there ticket. Of course the nazis where gonna slaughter them as soon as they got around to it. But the lasting legacy was the baath party. They even used the swaztika for a time. They where steep in mein kampfe and stuff.
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:31 AM
On the subject of “insufferable little elitists,” I seem to remember a bunch of Rudy threads where numerous commenters were positively gleeful that Rudy was inevitable, and that the stupid social cons would have to vote for him anyway, because the alternative was Hillary.
But I do note that they were never ridiculed by the social cons. So I doubt Thompson supporters are “elitist.”
Unless by “elitist” you just mean, “people who don’t agree with me.”
theregoestheneighborhood on January 19, 2008 at 1:31 AM
I just had a hell of a time with it, I suck at following formulas, so math and that kind of crap aren’t my strong suits.
doubleplusundead on January 19, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Hey now. :P
MadisonConservative on January 19, 2008 at 1:33 AM
There is nothing here he is just blathering huck talking points. They are bullsh\i assertions. Basically baring false witness against ones brother.
How do ya like them apples?
TheSitRep on January 19, 2008 at 1:34 AM
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