Should Fred’s supporters abandon him tomorrow for … Huckabee?
posted at 8:30 pm on January 18, 2008 by Allahpundit
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T-minus 24 hours and counting until, in all likelihood, his political career’s over. I can’t resist one last poke at the Fredhead beehive for old time’s sake.
The argument comes from Patrick Ruffini: Since Huckabee probably doesn’t have the money or organization to run the table on Super Ultra Mega Tuesday but McCain does, shouldn’t South Carolina’s Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson supporters defect tomorrow and vote for Huck to blunt Mac’s momentum heading into Florida? That’s an easy yes in the first two cases but in Fred’s case it would mean the end. Has the time come to take Ol’ Yeller out back? Ruffini says … yes:
If you’re a Romney or a Rudy guy, this is a relative no-brainer. This will be tougher for FredHeads, since their guy has made a stand in the state. But with less than 24 hours to go, and Fred running no better than a weak third, it is probably time to face facts. It’s too bad, because conservatives deserve Fred Thompson as a choice, but it just doesn’t seem to be happening.
John Tabin at Reason likewise fears the Reaper:
Alas, Thompson has hardly taken the race by storm. Glenn Reynolds wrote last month that he might have joined Volokh et al. in endorsing Thompson if he hadn’t observed how poorly Thompson’s campaign is run behind the scenes. That poorly run campaign has yielded poor results. Thompson’s low-key affect and introverted personality made him ill-suited to the hands-on retail politicking that Iowans expect, and he edged out John McCain for third place in the Iowa caucuses by just three tenths of a percentage point despite spending much more time than McCain stumping in the Hawkeye State (McCain focused on New Hampshire, where he won). He made almost no effort in the New Hampshire and Michigan primaries, where he got less than 2 percent and less than 4 percent of the vote, respectively…
Perhaps something will change the dynamics of the race in the remaining hours before South Carolina Republicans go to the polls tomorrow, and Thompson will catch a break. But at the moment, his prospects don’t appear to give fans of smaller government any reason to abandon the pessimism that has by now become all too familiar.
Re: how poorly run Fred’s campaign is/was, be sure to see this Mark Steyn item at the Corner if you missed it last night. Has the time come, ‘Heads? If the polls hold and Fred finishes fourth with less than half of McCain’s vote, Romney’s going to be your guy anyway come Sunday morning. Why not vote strategically tomorrow?
I offer you this to remember the man by. Meanwhile, here’s the state of conservatism in 2008: A RINO touting the kind words of another RINO in, of all places, South Carolina. Between them they’ve got 50% of the vote. Good lord.
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With all due respect, you’ve made a fundamental error. This is a private site. The owners have the right to prevent him speaking here. He has no more right to be heard here than he does to be heard in your house, if you don’t want him there.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Haha, my bad Laura… But in my defense, I was under the impression that “retarded” and “left-wing” were synonyms.
As for the recession thing… what’s really annoying is Bush inherited the Clinton/Gore recession, dealt with 9/11, New Orleans, 2 wars, high gas prices, and the economy boomed in all sectors, and even saw record tax revenues under lower tax rates (a concept lost on libs). NOW, there are troubles, and a recession is possible… though if you were to look at the media coverage, you’d think we’d never had a recession before. But what’s really annoying is that the media screamed “recession!” all through the booming economy, and NOW, with their self fulfilling prophecy, they’re going to play the “told ya so” game.
RightWinged on January 18, 2008 at 10:37 PM
He’s been around a while now. Unless he says something REALLY offensive, he won’t get banned. He’s just voicing his opinion and I respect that, even though it was personally offensive. I will not vote to ban him.
pullingmyhairout on January 18, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Excellent point Madison. I think Allah In The House likes the action. It was Byran who reprimanded and threathened the horrible csdeven and got him to act civil, not AP.
countywolf on January 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I know on a day in the future you and Bkennedy will see eye to eye on on issue and will will want me to be banned.
Hey, it is differences that makes it beautiful, Brother.
TheSitRep on January 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM
“They were up there freezing themselves in New Hampshire and I was down here talking to South Carolinians. Now who’s smart enough to be President?”
That was here on Hotair, Nine days ago, after Fred got whipped in NH. Apparently he didn’t value those handful of people who froze themselves for him.
You stay classy, Fred.
BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I’m pretty sure Fred was talking about the weather…not the northerners…
blankminde on January 18, 2008 at 10:41 PM
This guys premise is that instead of Federalist Fred, we vote for someone who wants to change the constitution to be in line with HIS Religious Principals? Huck is pretty much the Anti Fred… but to “win” this guy wants people to supprt him… basicly LIE with their vote?
One MAJOR problem with American politics… people treat it as a game to win… instead of telling people to vote their conscience…
Romeo13 on January 18, 2008 at 10:42 PM
So elitists are arrogant and condescending? Tell us about hicks again.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 10:42 PM
You are absolutely correct. But I hope you would also note that: we are all different and passionate about different things. Sure Most of us are conservative but we still argue. and that brings out ideas.
It can make you rethink or reaffirm your argument.
and that makes this place work.
Like this very idea we are talking about now.
do ya see?
TheSitRep on January 18, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I will not even address the softball lob of the First Amendment here. MadCon did a good job of that.
Look. We all have fun. We all get cranky. We all get happy, we all get pissed. That’s the dynamics of a community like this. We fight for what we believe. We rip AP when he gets under our skin, we applaud when he doesn’t.
But it seems there is always someone… someone… that f*cks it up for everyone else. And then the rules get changed to help the poor guy on the short bus. Gotta keep a level playing field, right?
This used to be such an awesome site. Even when I got slapped down (usually, deservedly so), I still felt a certain civility about it.
Now? Not so much.
HA has been invaded, and largely conquered, by trolls.
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I’m a Fredhead, and he’s called me a few names (guilty by association i guess), i don’t like his views on the primarys…. but if this wasnt the primary season, i bet i’d agree with him 90% of the time because we are both republicans…
He could tone down the name calling of people that have never said a word to him, but i don’t think he should be banned for it..
I’m a Fredhead, and i approve this message….
stlpatriot on January 18, 2008 at 10:45 PM
That’s your evidence of “attack”? A quick joke about why he was in SC that day instead of NH? Weak…
JetBoy on January 18, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Ruffini was a big time GW Bush mouthpiece. It’s just so strange that he would see McCain as the huge threat to the GOP and nation but not mind Huckabee so much.
I’m not a McCain supporter, but the McCain derangement syndrome really puzzles me.
My husband told me he’s heard lots of disgust about the McC DS over in the sandbox. They aren’t clamoring for him to be POTUS, but there is lots of grumbling about how McCain’s being demonized by some in the GOP.
FWIW
funky chicken on January 18, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Their primary characteristic is astounding stupidity.
Fred can’t hit above second. That’s his best shot. He’s willing to squander the support of people in states he doesn’t seem worthy. All of these states thus far happen to be in his out-group, the north. Now he’s buttering up the old “ya know Tennessee is a neigbor of SC and” rhetoric. I have no problem if he’s a Southophile, but it doesn’t stop him from being a hick.
As a matter of fact I’m surprised the Fredheads haven’t characterized Wyoming as an evil liberal haven for voting Romney over Thompson. I guess we should just add Wyoming to Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, and soon South Carolina as states whose entire populations simply do not get conservatism.
BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Passion is fine as long as it does not lead to generalizations of groups of people, of which there are many here. Passion has a place in civil discourse, as long as it does not turn to suggestion of the inferiority of those with whom you are discussing issues. Once it does, discourse is no longer civil.
However, as I said, those borders and limits are set by the owners of the site. I am simply giving basic bylines for proper conversation.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Tuco will shoot the trolls for you if you pay him enough.
Tuco on January 18, 2008 at 10:47 PM
LMFAO! He did it again!
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Some pundit clown wants me to toss my vote to Shuck-n-Jive?
In the Primary? HELL NO.
In the General? Yes, but it would be a reluctant vote AGAINST the Dems’ offering.
Dave Shay on January 18, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Howdy, Stashiu…
sulla on January 18, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Attacked the North? Hyperbole much?
In fact that headline which you chose to display spoke of Fred ribbing the other candidates. Wow!
geckomon on January 18, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Restricting Speech you don’t like.
The clear conservative choice.
BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Without stepping in this unnecessarily, I think BKennedy is saying that is his definition of a “hick”. I’ve definitely heard of people having different understandings of the appropriateness of certain terms based on region. For the record: “hick” is generally considered derogatory. Savvy?
blankminde on January 18, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Its time I’m ready,
Click link to open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiRQ95jk08
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Private site, pal. Someone already tried that argument. Scroll up to clear your unsurprising misconception.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Three of the four top candidates have significant apostasy on the defining issue of social conservatism. Rudy Giuliani is avowedly pro-choice, and even supported federal funding of abortion. Fred Thompson lobbied for Planned Parenthood. Mitt Romney’s flip-flops and thin cover-ups of said are well known.
Nope, no mention of this deception at that bastion of investigative blogging HotAir. Why am I not surprised?
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Yeah, Thompson attacks the North by saying they have cold weather.
But he thinks it’s fine to spew about how hicks are disgusting and McCain deserves to be “purged.”
Sorry, but that’s the perfect example of the stuff the military guys are bitching about over there.
It doesn’t reflect too well on Romney when his supporters behave that way.
funky chicken on January 18, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Hey man! wccawa is good folk. some times people get to their wits end when they feel there ideas or beliefs are being assaulted.
This is a place where we should improve our arguement, not raise our voice. agreed?
TheSitRep on January 18, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Which is precisely why I’m glad the clear-thinking, level heads of Allahpundit, Bryan, and Michelle control access to commenting at Hot Air, and not raving, rabid, “do not attack St. Thompson or else!” Fredheads.
BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 10:54 PM
A vote for Fred is a vote to kill little babies. Abortion is murder and Thompson would allow people in each state to decide their own abortion laws.
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 10:54 PM
The primary irony is that he described others as elitists, defined elitists as arrogant and condescending of others, and then defined hick as being “astoundingly stupid”. He previously made that judgment not only of a presidential candidate, but of a general group of people, showing him to be both arrogant and condescending, making him an elitist.
Savvy? ;)
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 10:55 PM
MadCon, the place is beyond redemption.
Sorry to say.
You’re good people. I mean that.
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Make sure you don’t lump me into that category. I stated I didn’t want to vote to ban your ass – that you have the right to speak your mind, as offensive as it may be.
If you want to check out a group of people who want to ban speech because it doesn’t coincide with their agenda, go on over to democraticunderground or kos.
pullingmyhairout on January 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Jesus Fucking Christ. Please ban apacalyps. Please.
You can ban me too, for my profanity if you like.
funky chicken on January 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM
I appear to have been too addled to absorb that properly the first time. Extraordinary! Methinks we need a new thread.
blankminde on January 18, 2008 at 10:57 PM
You know, you’re the only one to ever come up with the “St. Thompson” crap as regarding Fred or Fredheads. You realize that? I would consider constantly making the assertion that Fred supporters refer to him as “St. THompson”, capitalizing everything they say, and outright name-calling Thompson is “raving and rabid”.
All the irony is just like butta.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 10:57 PM
nice, just for that Fred is coming in 4th tomorrow
fixed that for you
Fredheads get their ass kicked by Bkennedy and now call for a ban…bwahahahaaha
windansea on January 18, 2008 at 10:58 PM
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 10:54 PM
the NRTL thinks so i guess TOOL… you always talk about our founding fathers, yet you know nothing of Hamilton, Jay and Madison…
I will never vote huck, i’d rather chop off my big toe with a blunt wood chisel…
stlpatriot on January 18, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I will rescind my judgement of Fred as astoundingly stupid if (not when) he delivers on first place for South Carolina. If he can’t win in his own backyard, and is a non-factor everywhere else, his campaign strategy has failed.
No money + No victory + losing with home feild advantage = non-viable, incompetent candidate. Fred caused his own campaign chairs in New Hampshire to vote for other candidates. That’s about as damning as anything.
BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 10:59 PM
please don’t make blanket statements.
pullingmyhairout on January 18, 2008 at 10:59 PM
There’s only a few on this site like him. There’s a whole lot more that don’t make the worthless intrusions they do. If it weren’t them, it would be some other handful of spiteful people. Don’t abandon a good place of conservative thinkers for the annoyance of a few bad apples. Keep the faith, my friend.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 10:59 PM
I think the whole thing is silly. People say imbecilic things just to be inflammatory and then someone else takes offense. Why? The person throwing the bombs is not worth being taken seriously, and the whenever one takes it seriously they give it credence (and show poor judgment). Some things are better left to fade away unanswered.
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 11:00 PM
If you non-Fredheads reject the only real conservative we have in the race for the Brylcreem Mormon or the Conservative-Hating POW, then I think I’ll be done with the conservative movement altogether.
And yes, I’ll sit this one out. I’m not going to cast my first vote to a man I frankly don’t want in office.
Sir Andrew on January 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Original. So pithy. To wit.
geckomon on January 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Who the hell are you? I guess you are all for the generalization of whole sections of our country as “astoundingly stupid” and for the insulting of all supporters of a presidential candidate.
You stay classy.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
As a lifelong Conservative I think I will vote Democrat for the first time. Considering that last primary in Michigan, that “Uncommitted” candidate sure looks attractive compared to the rest.
LevStrauss on January 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
blankminde on January 18, 2008 at 10:34 PM
hopefully the coming market crash will wake people up. i doubt it. Be buying guns with my rebate also.
unseen on January 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
I hope you’re not talking about me.
pullingmyhairout on January 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
That’s ridiculous. Feel free to express an opinion about Fred or any other candidate…but at least try to do so without sounding like a hypocrite. Sorry, but that’s how your posts come across.
For the most part, it sounds like your doing it simply to get a rise out of Thompson supporters instead of at least being intellectually honest.
JetBoy on January 18, 2008 at 11:02 PM
I am a dyed in the wool Fredhead and let me tell ya that every candidate has people like us. I imagine you are some what smitten with another.
But I just would hope that we keep our arguements on the issues and the candidates [especially their record]
and not attack eack other personally.
I also am a 6th Gen Texan and pretty hicky. but it does not bother me that you slam Southerners.
I sometimes hit Yankees pretty hard myself.
Where are you from?
TheSitRep on January 18, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Please don’t bite the bait. This person is nothing but a book and verse thumper. A headache at the least.
geckomon on January 18, 2008 at 11:02 PM
People, People… In a year we’re all gonna agree again.. Primary season is rough, lol
stlpatriot on January 18, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Too late, Big A.
I already cast my absentee ballot for Fred, in IL. Heh.
major john on January 18, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Are you just angry that he is running a terrible campaign? I’m pretty bitter about it myself, but you’re starting to sound like a really disenfranchised Fredhead. I’m not sure which is worse; supporting Fred even if he can’t win, or cursing him in defiance because he already failed you.
blankminde on January 18, 2008 at 11:04 PM
You must be a liberal. This is the typical response from liberals, you always declare a person racist, etc, when they won’t exercise televisions politically correctness.
The only thing I’m guilty of is not choosing to be politically correct. For that I will not apologize and I am guilty as charged. However, everything I have posted is accurate. I do not lie. I fear the LORD too much. I do not cuss. The Bible says in Ephesians 4:29, “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good.”
I said little or nothing about the other candidates over the last month or so. But I have had enough of his gutter campaign against Huckabee. This is just hitting back.
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Know what?
I couldn’t give less of a damn what a hypocritical bigot like you thinks anymore. If someone has to win a presidential primary in order for you to consider them not stupid, then you are as elitist as it gets. Be sure to forward your logic to Rudy.
With that, I bid your Kennedy ass adieu.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Ya know we deserve to lose if we treat our own candidates this way.
I say stop the fighting the real enemy is the democrats.
William Amos on January 18, 2008 at 11:05 PM
And you like Huck because????
pullingmyhairout on January 18, 2008 at 11:06 PM
You said yesterday that time abbreviated your answers to me in the other thread. If you will address them at the point you left off (1:08), that would be appreciated.
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 11:06 PM
You mean that a vote for Fred is a vote for the PEOPLE not the courts, to decide what the laws are??? You know… that whole dang Democracy thing?
I am a Conservative… even Libertarian… and if YOUR agenda gets put into place, this country will be torn apart… and it will be by people like me who will not ALLOW you to control our Freedoms, and actions. Your attitude, and the Huckabites, are going to FORCE moderates and unaligned CONSERVATIVES to vote Democrat…
I have a problem with Roe Vs. Wade… in that it is not IMO a Constituional decision… and that abortion should be up to the PEOPLE to decide. I don’t consider myself wise enough to run other peoples lives… you show your arrogance in that you believe you should…
You are as bad as Hillary in this….
Romeo13 on January 18, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I’m not naming names, but no, not you. Most people know who I’m talking about. ;)
Don’t get your hopes up. I’ve noticed, over the weeks and months, that he can’t. He simply can’t. Not if challenged on it.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 11:07 PM
What happened to civility?
Yes, I am guilty of tracking down a few trolls and trying my best to undo them. I plead guilty. But HA used to be so much more than what is has become.
Was it that long ago that we had hundreds of comments on a thread, all speaking to policy, to ideas, to hunches, to beliefs? We used to have so much here. We used to KNOW each other. We used to excuse each other. We used to forgive each other.
Now?
We spend three quarters of our time fighting off a few trolls that I could count on the fingers of one hand. Honestly.
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I’m from the Communist Motherland of Massachusettstan. I get the quadruple delight, having Cadillac Patrick as governor (now with more embryonic stem cell research, casino gambling, homosexuality, and abortion), Barkey Frank as rep (he runs unopposed), and of course the traitor and vehicular homicidal maniacs as my Senators. Needless to say, I don’t even bother contacting my representatives.
Incidentely I am not related to Uncle Ted, but hopefully one day when I’m old enough to run for office, I can hoodwink enough Mass. residents with the slogan “A Kennedy you can trust.” I will have blue AND red signs, just to add to the confusion.
BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I vote no. BKennedy may have one major strike against him (He’s a Massho…er…resident of Massachusetts), but he hasn’t been particularly out of line on these threads.
Slublog on January 18, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Amen. Abortion is soooo low on the totem pole of priorities right now. There are much bigger fish to fry… pardon the chiches.
pullingmyhairout on January 18, 2008 at 11:08 PM
You Fredheads are Darksided!!!!
doubleplusundead on January 18, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Remember this truth of life, my friend: No matter how much someone agrees with you, they can still be an utter prick.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 11:08 PM
I just received my Arizona vote-by-mail ballot today. There are 24 GOP candidates for POTUS!
So, regardless what happens in NC, I’m voting for Fred in AZ, and when the election comes around in November, I’m writing in Fred Dalton Thompson.
No more compromises. I’ve had enough.
AZCON on January 18, 2008 at 11:09 PM
This is for you pal. Have a good weekend.
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 11:10 PM
I really, really wish we could post pics…
And I vote no on banning BKennedy, even if he’s being a bit of a dick. Breathe wccawa…
doubleplusundead on January 18, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Your words are not lost on this simple hick, MadCon.
But still. Give me the ban button for ONE MINUTE.
It’s time.
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Leave the dark side stlpatriot…. join us… everybody, hop on board… come over to the Huckabee side and free your guilty conscience!! The best hope for America is Governor Mike Huckabee. Governor Huckabee is the best speaker and the most charismatic of the Republican candidates. He has a Reaganesque ability to communicate.
Do the right thing. Free your guilt.
We can make it happen, people. You and me.
Let’s do it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlGnnwrl1Z4&NR=1
JOIN WITH US!!!
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 11:12 PM
SC man South Carolina. And it is only 7 hours and 48 minutes untile I can vote for Fred!
USBB on January 18, 2008 at 11:12 PM
It’s because there are too many posters. It’s hard to get to know the community. I love posting here because I’ve been here since HA’s inception. Sometimes I get involved, sometimes not. But unfortunately, II don’t post enough anymore to really get to know the newbies.
pullingmyhairout on January 18, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Ignore him.
Just laugh it off. He is wrong and deep down he knows it that is why he says that sh\t.
TheSitRep on January 18, 2008 at 11:13 PM
dude be whack.
TexasDan on January 18, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Hey, hey, HEY!
…no need to be insulting dicks, now.
Go write lies about me on your blog. You’ll feel better. ;)
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Isn’t Ban some sort of deodorant? Just because someone’s tactics stink doesn’t invalidate their opinion. It does stretch their credibility though…
blankminde on January 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM
I’m calling spam here on apacalyps. That’s the thirteen-thousandth time he’s posted that link.
So… where does the TOS come into play? AP? Bryan? MM? Anyone? Does the TOS even matter anymore?
Hello?
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM
So, tell me again why you like Huck so much???
pullingmyhairout on January 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM
It’ll thin out after the election. Don’t you go no where!
TheSitRep on January 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM
My other comment seems to be locked in site limbo for now, but my argument for staying is this:
I bring in far too much comment traffic to ever be gotten rid of >_> _> (j/k AP, Bryan, Michelle)
BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM
SC…duh…!
AZCON on January 18, 2008 at 11:15 PM
I’m too busy fighting someone else’s theocracy to bother myself with the one you’re brewing up here.
blankminde on January 18, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Dude, Hale-Bopp passed years ago, you missed the ship…
doubleplusundead on January 18, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Don’t worry. I’m right here, freezing my bee-honky off in south Texas, listening to it rain, in an 85 year old house near the bay. I promise, I’m not going ANYWHERE.
pullingmyhairout on January 18, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Actually, that’s how he got here.
Plus, you made me laugh. TY.
TexasDan on January 18, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Told you guys!
doubleplusundead on January 18, 2008 at 11:17 PM
But seriously, Fred has a lot of problems, but suggesting someone vote for Huckabee is low. I think AP is just trying to punish the Fredheads. I was a Paul supporter, now I am just somebody who will vote for Paul until at least he tells the truth but I feel no reason to rub in Fred’s recent losses to Paul in Michigan and New Hampshire. Granted he beat Paul in Iowa but Huckabee won there so what do they know. But I find this suggestion of voting for Huckabee to be worse than waterboarding. How could any Conservative Christian KNOWINGLY vote for a lying liberal from Arkansas who practices dirty politics while exploiting Christ? Think John Goodman in “O Brother Where Art Thou”.
You want a good litmus test for Conservatives, don’t vote for anybody who has ever been in Hagee’s “church”. That list includes McCain, Huckabee, and Newt Gingrich.
LevStrauss on January 18, 2008 at 11:18 PM
heh..too bad we can’t send a little ELECTRIC SHOCK out to people once in a while…
JetBoy on January 18, 2008 at 11:19 PM
-Abolish the IRS and institute the Fair Tax.
-Failing that, he wants to cut taxes and cut spending.
-He has taken the no new tax pledge.
-He wants to stay in Iraq until the job is done and we are successful.
-He wants to stay on offense on the war on terror.
-He is committed to denting Iran nuclear weapons.
-He wants to protect the sanctity of unborn life.
-He wants to protect traditional marriage.
-He has introduced a plan to secure the border without amnesty.
-He wants to change th health care system to a more preventive focused one and opposes government controlled universal health care.
Which of those are so bad? Which do you want to debate?
Those are not religious issues, they are conservative issues. Clearly, Huckabee is a man who projects his faith is a big part of who he is. So? He is running on innovative approaches to governing and Conservative principles. To say he is too religious is to basically say say you can be a man of faith as long as you shut-up and keep it hidden.
Oh, and PS, don’t pull your hair out. Oww. Ouch.
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Oh, Gawd… now the Paulbots show up.
I am SO out of here tonight. I wish you all the best. I really do.
Prediction? 370 more comments of utter tripe. AP is happy with the traffic, everyone else gets an aneurism.
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 11:20 PM
You know every time I see Fred I cannot help but think that the father in “Frasier” was miscast.
LevStrauss on January 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Hi Mr. 76.
I hope you’re doing well.
Can you just give me a brief idea? I’ll try to answer if I can.
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM
That’s ok….I’ll sit right here next to the door. I’m counting on being faster then the lightning thats coming.
Limerick on January 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM
I think what bugs me is that I don’t believe a single thing he says he’ll do at this point. Its like Huckabee is one of those crappy games where everyone wins. Vote for Huck! He’ll make your wildest dreams come true. Riight.
blankminde on January 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM
That’ll show ‘em.
TexasDan on January 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 11:12 PM
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits…
Carnac The Magnificent..
Again, I will never vote huck, and i’ll do anything i can to keep him from getting the nomination…
He’s a fraud
He’s a liar
He’s a cheat
He’s destroying the party as a whole, and you are its fuel..
don’t reply to me again, you disgust me…
stlpatriot on January 18, 2008 at 11:23 PM
apac, I don’t want to OT the thread here, so here’s the thread link.
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Bless you, 76, for leading him out of this thread. I owe you a dollar.
TexasDan on January 18, 2008 at 11:24 PM
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