Here come the secret Hillarycare papers Update“P.S.” identified

posted at 4:20 pm on January 18, 2008 by Bryan

Judicial Watch has been getting them from the Clinton Library. You know, the one paid for by millions of dollars from people that the Clintons won’t identify.

The papers are interesting. It’s not hard to see why the Clinton machine wanted this one kept in the dark.

• A June 18, 1993 internal Memorandum entitled, “A Critique of Our Plan,” authored by someone with the initials “P.S.,” makes the startling admission that critics of Hillary’s health care reform plan were correct: “I can think of parallels in wartime, but I have trouble coming up with a precedent in our peacetime history for such broad and centralized control over a sector of the economy…Is the public really ready for this?… none of us knows whether we can make it work well or at all…”

Because we wouldn’t want the public to know that the Hillarycare cabal might have been a bunch of clueless, power hungry statists.

• A “Confidential” May 26, 1993 Memorandum from Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) to Hillary Clinton entitled, “Health Care Reform Communications,” which criticizes the Task Force as a “secret cabal of Washington policy ‘wonks’” that has engaged in “choking off information” from the public regarding health care reform. The memorandum suggests that Hillary Clinton “use classic opposition research” to attack those who were excluded by the Clinton Administration from Task Force deliberations and to “expose lifestyles, tactics and motives of lobbyists” in order to deflect criticism. Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”

So they were using police state tactics in the service of taking over 1/7th of the US economy in peacetime to deal with a mostly manufactured controversy. But don’t call them “liberal fascists,” because that would be wrong.

As Michelle says:

Spying on jihad suspects? Bad.

Spying on health care opponents? Good.

Update: Suitably Flip finds that P.S. is Paul Starr.


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Bryan, where’s Allah today?

amerpundit on January 18, 2008 at 4:21 PM

No!! Too…early….!

We needed the document release AFTER she secures the nomination!

Another Vast Right Wing Conspiracy project thwarted.

Nessuno on January 18, 2008 at 4:25 PM

I’m Outraged!

ninjapirate on January 18, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Just when you think the Clintons can’t possibly get any slimier, uglier, or more disgusting…

They do.

BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 4:29 PM

I tend to agree with Nessuno. This might give HRC and the Clinton machine too much time to spin this inconvenient bit of history.

I found the line about the news organization waiting to take their cues from the Clinton administration interesting.

fourstringfuror on January 18, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Tip of the iceberg, so to speak.
This is one more nail in her coffin…out of the running in a few months (can you say Ms. VP), divorces Bill, ends up marrying Susan Estrich, with Ellen deGenerous as a brides maid…Oprah not invited.

right2bright on January 18, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Now if only the MSM were not dishonest, corrupt, enabling, fascist, then, we might get thin info out to a wider audience….50% of which could care less cause they want a nanny government.

sharinlite on January 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM

It’s like reading Mein Kampf. Anyone with half a brain knows exactly what these people are doing, but it’s so hard to accept that THEY themselves understand what they’re doing.

It would be comforting to think that the leaders of the Democrat Party are just like all their other dizzy moonbat constiutents – except that they happened to luck into positions of prominance. But they’re not. The people calling the shots know precisely what they are doing, and they are fully aware of all the ramifications.

logis on January 18, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Such a nasty woman. Her beard is a piece of cake ,too. Has anyone ever caught them telling the truth?

bbz123 on January 18, 2008 at 4:36 PM

I found the line about the news organization waiting to take their cues from the Clinton administration interesting.

Same here!

davenp35 on January 18, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Now if only the MSM were not dishonest, corrupt, enabling, fascist, then, we might get thin info out to a wider audience….50% of which could care less cause they want a nanny government.

sharinlite on January 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”

Welcome to 1984. These people are simply evil. No other word describes what they are. The Clintons are pure, unadulterated evil.

BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Worst nightmares regarding Hillary confirmed: check

For the umpteenth time: check

The left already has a permanent crick in their necks from looking the other way. Be interesting to see if the Obama camp manages to finally get something to stick to her when the GOP never could.

I’d be interested to know how if we could actually get a paper trail proving that the msm seeks “guidance on timing and content” for covering the dems. That would be truly special. Are they actually dumb enough to write it down? I’m not betting against it.

TexasDan on January 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Also interesting, the bit about “exposing lifestyles” of opponents.

mikeyboss on January 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM

First time I remember agreeing with BKennedy without one of us backtracking or flip-flopping.

Griz on January 18, 2008 at 4:40 PM

“You will take this medicine if I have to pour it down your throat, Mr!”

Akzed on January 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Good thing Brian Williams was aware of all this when he interviewed Ms. Rodham.

Oh yeah, he wasn’t, he is much too stupid to know about it. I wonder if he even knows about the entire Hillarycare debacle.

I bet he doesn’t.

Our deciders in the media, thank you so much for deciding that this is unimportant.

benrand on January 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Nothing new here. Move along. /sarc

The Clintons are not just a political couple, they (especially HRC) have a commitment to turn our country into a fascist (read radical socialist) state. Can’t blame them for trying, but you can blame the press for backing them!

stonemeister on January 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”

Simply mindboggling.

Goes to show you just how co-opted the Clintonistas were with the MSM back in the 90s. Not only would the news organizations help shape the coverage, they would do so when the Clintons told them the time was right.

Oh, and Jay Rockefeller is a traitorous snake.

fogw on January 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Bryan-
I think you are great!

MayBee on January 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Also interesting, the bit about “exposing lifestyles” of opponents.
mikeyboss on January 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Indeed, I can hear it now, “One opponent of HillaryCare is rumored to enjoy occasional BJ’s from an office intern half his age…”

Akzed on January 18, 2008 at 4:46 PM

If the Beast wins the election, opponents to her new no-opt-out health plan, called Doctors from Hill, will be rounded up and numbers tatooed onto their arms. The media will be told when and if to report that also.

pedestrian on January 18, 2008 at 4:49 PM

First time I remember agreeing with BKennedy without one of us backtracking or flip-flopping.

Griz on January 18, 2008 at 4:40 PM

And just to emphasize:

I don’t throw the world evil around lightly. I’ve called the Clintons dishonest, despicable, untrustworthy, slick, and slimy. I’ve said Bill could sell snowmobiles in Miami, but this is the first time I actually think these people are literally the embodiment of soulless evil.

BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Now all that is needed is the means to inform the public. A complicit press will never report this, unless the Obama campaign decides to make it an issue. What are the chances.

4Bear on January 18, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Spin #1

Q: What is your response to the new memos from your Healthcare Task force? – media

A: That’s the 20th century. My campaign is preparing to tackle the challenges of the 21st century. – Hillary

Next?

gabriel sutherland on January 18, 2008 at 4:54 PM

news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage

Damn, was that a feather that just knocked me over?

PappaMac on January 18, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”

This story will get buried.

snickelfritz on January 18, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Bryan, where’s Allah today?

amerpundit on January 18, 2008 at 4:21 PM

I suspect he’s trying to do posts from his iPhone.

First time I remember agreeing with BKennedy without one of us backtracking or flip-flopping.

Griz on January 18, 2008 at 4:40 PM

I admired a poem of his just today.

Frozen Tex on January 18, 2008 at 5:00 PM

news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”

And so it goes……

The only real news is right here folks…….

Hening on January 18, 2008 at 5:01 PM

Ms. Clinton? Mr. Rather is holding on line #1. Waiting for your instructions!

PappaMac on January 18, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”

Wow, what a suprise! NOT!!!!!!!!!

conservnut on January 18, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Also interesting, the bit about “exposing lifestyles” of opponents

Indeed, I can hear it now, “One opponent of HillaryCare is rumored to enjoy occasional BJ’s from an office intern half his age…”

But when Hillary’s husband was found out to have enjoyed such BJ’s, and falsely denied it under oath, just about everyone in their party parroted the same excuse, “It’s a private matter.” In other words, the lifestyles of Hillary’s critics are fair game, but the lifestyle of her husband is off limits.

Please forgive me, everyone, for using the term “husband” loosely.

Bigfoot on January 18, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Oh, and Jay Rockefeller is a traitorous snake.

fogw on January 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Snakes are indignant.

Entelechy on January 18, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Please forgive me, everyone, for using the term “husband” loosely.

Bigfoot on January 18, 2008 at 5:07 PM

I predict…that, should Hillary not be crowned – er, elected – President in November, the term “husband” will be converted to “ex-husband”, as BJ Bill will no longer be of any use to her.

uncivilized on January 18, 2008 at 5:26 PM

The Communist Clintonist Manifesto cometh.

madmonkphotog on January 18, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Bigfoot on January 18, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Funny, there’s still people out there that say a BJ is not really sex.

Kini on January 18, 2008 at 5:28 PM

this is the first time I actually think these people are literally the embodiment of soulless evil.

Not my first time, sadly.

I spent most of yesterday in a funk because of the 10th anniversary of Monica. That even with all we know about these two, they still have a frighteningly real chance of getting back into the white house.

If we as a country let that happen, we deserve everything we get, because we know exactly what we’re getting.

sulla on January 18, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Because we wouldn’t want the public to know that the Hillarycare cabal might have been a bunch of clueless, power hungry statists.

Oh… heh, for a second I thought you said sadists. My bad.

Mark V. on January 18, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance…”

This is not the first time Jay has been quoted as planning to use the media for Democratic political purposes, is it? I wish we could get him under oath and ask him exactly who was ready to receive “the guidance”.

There is more to this than meets the eye, folks, and it is a lot dirtier and more dangerous to our freedoms than I suspect we even imagine.

drunyan8315 on January 18, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”

The MSM, a wholly own subsidiary of the Democratic Party.

TheBigOldDog on January 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”

If ever there was a legitimate reason for Congress to hold a hearing, this is it. Unfortunately, it will never happen.

genso on January 18, 2008 at 5:48 PM

We will see if the media pick this up. They are liking Obama better than Hillary these days, but I wonder if they want to expose the Dems’ political shenanigans that seem along the lines of a Watergate mentality. After all, they are nice and pure!!

PattyJ on January 18, 2008 at 5:49 PM

I can’t wait to see this on the CBS and NBC nightly news tonight.
I kill myself sometimes. lol

oakpack on January 18, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Now y’all know why I refer to HRC as “Hitlery”. There really isn’t much difference between her and (you know who)

jdawg on January 18, 2008 at 5:51 PM

A: That’s the 20th century. My campaign is preparing to tackle the challenges of the 21st century. – Hillary

gabriel sutherland- so she crossed the bridge they built? Fantastic!

My favorite part of the Rockefeller memo (aside from those mentioned above) is that at the ‘nonpartisan’ NHPC, “the people involved are prepared to do anything you
would ask of them.”

MayBee on January 18, 2008 at 5:52 PM

genso on January 18, 2008 at 5:48 PM

The problem is all the Democratic Representatives would have to testify leaving the commission without a quorum!

TheBigOldDog on January 18, 2008 at 6:10 PM

You should have seen the documents they made disappear… like all those people

Buttercup on January 18, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Senator Rockefeller also suggested news organizations “are anxious and willing to receive guidance [from the Clinton Administration] on how to time and shape their [news] coverage.”

Wait, the press is willing to deceive the public, in order to advance an agenda?

rightside on January 18, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Jaw-dropping stuff which is damning of Hillary and Jay Rockefeller, but also reflects poorly on the entire Democrat Party and MSM.

And Kudos to Suitably Flip for figuring out who P.S. is.

Buy Danish on January 18, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Now y’all know why I refer to HRC as “Hitlery”. There really isn’t much difference between her and (you know who)

jdawg on January 18, 2008 at 5:51 PM

I prefer one I’ve seen others use: “Brunhillary”

darkpixel on January 18, 2008 at 7:01 PM

Well, the msm nightly news had the usual dose of Republican bashing, (thanks Katie, we can always count on you) some coverage of the 777 coming up short of the runway and a couple feel good stories. Hmm Nothing about the papers.

oakpack on January 18, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Hillary actively seeks the support of the GBLT community all the time and has had large numbers of meetings with them to solidify that support over the years.

But then the Dems trash Mark Foley with faux outrage and Jay Rockefeller proposes what looks like outing people as an offensive tactic or leverage point.

GBLT types get used and abused yet again and then stand there saying Thank you Sir May I have another!

But then, where are they going to go?

CommentGuy on January 18, 2008 at 7:49 PM

She never wanted health care reform to succeed. That’s why she created a monster that not even congress would take serious. She’s not interested in health care reform now. If she were why would she take so much money from drug companies? But the promise will get her votes so she’ll make the promise. If a Democrat is elected they’ll have to go through the same charade Hillary went through so they can blame the self-created failure on someone else but still get cash from the drug companies.

snaggletoothie on January 18, 2008 at 8:02 PM

I certainly hope that our gracious hosts/hostess and others with some influence manage to get this story to the general public. Anything on Fox yet?

mikeyboss on January 18, 2008 at 8:27 PM

And, when I call ‘em snakes………………….???

franksalterego on January 18, 2008 at 9:45 PM

All the way back to the Joe McCarthy era, one of the well polished tools at the bottom of the liberals’ toolbox has always been to try and tar their opponents as homosexuals.

whitetop on January 18, 2008 at 9:52 PM

I’m astounded, anyone would be stooopid enough, to actually put this down on paper.

We’re dealing with total idiots

franksalterego on January 18, 2008 at 10:19 PM

I suspect he’s trying to do posts from his iPhone.

Best laugh of the day

Wade on January 18, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Oh !!!…And, Jay Rockefeller is on the INTELLIGENCE Committee.

Good Lord

franksalterego on January 18, 2008 at 10:33 PM

They are liking Obama better than Hillary these days, but I wonder if they want to expose the Dems’ media’s political shenanigans…….

PattyJ on January 18, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Fixed it for ya.

This will never get legs.

Everyone MoveOn now, before someone gets hurt.

BacaDog on January 18, 2008 at 11:26 PM

Hillary actively seeks the support of the GBLT community all the time and has had large numbers of meetings with them to solidify that support over the years.

But then the Dems trash Mark Foley with faux outrage and Jay Rockefeller proposes what looks like outing people as an offensive tactic or leverage point.

GBLT types get used and abused yet again and then stand there saying Thank you Sir May I have another!

But then, where are they going to go?

CommentGuy on January 18, 2008 at 7:49 PM

…and were actively going to “expose lifestyles”, yet not a peep from the same “community”.

91Veteran on January 18, 2008 at 11:50 PM

No wonder those FBI files just happened to show up.

And we were supposed to believe WOlf Blitzer that those people were just ordinary people, just average people.

I have ALWAYS thought the allegiance between the Democrats and the media was much, much deeper than they admit.

And we’re told that there is no active cooperation between the two.

BULLEFFINGSHIT

benrand on January 19, 2008 at 1:01 AM

The Communist Clintonist Manifesto cometh.

madmonkphotog on January 18, 2008 at 5:27 PM

This is much worse. The Marxist Manifesto was upfront as of its publication date.

OldEnglish on January 19, 2008 at 2:56 AM

Why haven’t I heard this story in the MSM?!

ptolemy on January 19, 2008 at 11:13 AM

Y’know, I like FOXNews. However, it’s of limited usefulness, because most people in America don’t have cable. What we need is a centrist media outlet like FOX being broadcast alongside ABC, CBS and NBC, to make sure information like this hits the public airwaves, where it’s a lot harder to hide from or bury with other crap. Now, it’s probably going to be limited to websites (like this one and FOXNews’), cable TV, and a couple of spotty, 2-3 second long pieces on news shows like NightLine or NBC Nightly News. FOXNews needs to really break into network TV, including morning shows, political shows (Like “Meet the Press”) and evening news TV. Thi

Virus-X on January 19, 2008 at 3:32 PM