Canadian Human Rights Commission investigator posts on Stormfront?
posted at 11:28 am on January 18, 2008 by Bryan
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Mark Steyn details the latest bizarre twist in the death of free speech in Canada.
1. Do any investigators post on Stormfront.org?I am not aware of any investigator other than me, who has posted on Stormfront.
2. Getting back to Jadewarr, do Commission employees sign up accounts on Stormfront, under pseudonyms such as “Jadewarr”?
I used the Jadewarr email address to create an account on Stormfront. I am not aware whether or not other investigators have created other accounts on Stormfront.
3. Do you know who Jadewarr is?
Jadewarr is not a person, it is an email address and a user account on Stormfront.org. I created the Jadewarr email address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront. I have used the Jadewarr email address and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront on occasion, in the course of investigating complaints. I am not aware of anyone else having used the Jadewarr email address or account.
4. To your knowledge, is Jadewarr a Commission employee?
See above.
5. As part of your duties, have you ever signed up with a message board and made postings?
Yes, I have done so using the Jadewarr account in investigating section 13 complaints.
So let’s see if I understand this. Canada’s “Human Rights” Commissions have managed to get anonymous website comments designated a crime and its investigators now go around leaving such comments themselves? Is that right? Traditionally, an “agent provocateur” in the men’s room has to entrap the guy in the adjoining stall into propositioning sex. In other words, the target still has to commit the actual crime. But in the case of the HRCs the agent provocateur can, in effect, commit the crime himself and then charge the target with it.
Nice work if you can get it.
Indeed it is. It seems that the CHRC empowers its minions to act with impunity against the rights of everyone else, and to flip justice on its head.
And this is the same commission that’s currently investigating Steyn for the crime of quoting demographic stats and Muslim agitators accurately. Even if Rod Serling and Kafka got together on a script, I doubt they would’ve have come up with all these wrinkles.
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It’s scary watching freedom die in real time.
Techie on January 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Yes, but Canada has free healthcare, so none if this matters.
/Sarcasm off.
justkevin on January 18, 2008 at 11:34 AM
er, none of this matters.
(Preview is your friend, preview is your friend . . . )
justkevin on January 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Canada is run by Liberal Fascists (sorry about the redundancy).
This isn’t suprising. They already have the Fat Police in Britain.
BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Welcome to Canada. siiiigh
I’m so embarassed.
Frozen Tex on January 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Strange question: Has anyone gone to Stormfront and signed up to see what “Jadwarr” has written?
amerpundit on January 18, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I feel dirty now, but the only post on Stormfront made by username “Jadewarr” is as follows:
nosliwelyk on January 18, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Hence why the use of proxies is so important.
MadisonConservative on January 18, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Nothing libs do should surprise anyone.
thekingtut on January 18, 2008 at 11:47 AM
What truly amazes me is that somehow we’ve gotten to the point where My Freedom of Speech, is trumped by your Freedom not to be insulted….
Its all that slippery slope we talked about… its all about the contention that No Right is Absolute… but if its NOT Absolute, is it a Right? When the Government can limit your Right… does it remain a RIGHT? or does it somehow become a Privelege? And then, who sets the limits of that Right? The Court? Some Legislature?
Where, in any WESTERN countrys founding documents does it say we have to be NICE?
Romeo13 on January 18, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Dangerous fanatics.Just as crazy as The Stormfront people.
pat on January 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Yeah, that’s all I got too. The rest were commenting on the story in which the username is revealed as an investigator.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go scrub my brain.
amerpundit on January 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Has anyone got the stomach to do a search on that forum for this Jadewarr’s posts?
VeniVidiVidic on January 18, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Ignore me just read:
VeniVidiVidic on January 18, 2008 at 11:54 AM
nosliwelyk and I both did. Nothing much, only the post quoted by nosliwelyk. The rest were threads on the story revealing the username as an investigator.
Disgusting forum, btw. Incidentally, I took notice of the Ron Paul videos in the footer.
amerpundit on January 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM
To show your support for Mark Steyn, he requests that you subscribe to Maclean’s.
RushBaby on January 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM
The Freedom of Speech clause allows us to:
a)speak our mind,
b)not be nice/be nice,
c)be offensive,
d)not feel obligated to apologize, (may have obvious social consequences)
e)hold our silence,
d)cry “fire” in a crowded room (although with obvious necessary prosecutable consequences),
e)cause irreparable harm (although with obvious necessary prosecutable consequences).
Any other questions? Or does that just about cover it?
Mcguyver on January 18, 2008 at 12:12 PM
True, tho a Serling/Orwell colab might have.
PolitiNOOB on January 18, 2008 at 12:14 PM
How long before the Canadians start trying to flee? We’re gonna need a wall to the north as well, pretty soon.
amkun on January 18, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Get out while you can! Hey Alaska ain’t all that bad, a lot like Canada witha few more freedoms and you have to buy your own healthcare!
upinak on January 18, 2008 at 12:17 PM
I’m not sure what the intent of jadewarr’s post on stormfront. He either posted to defend the HRC or was there to shit stir but was outed before he had the opportunity. I have no problem with law enforcement monitoring websites for investigatory purposes. Obviously, this is different from HRC monitoring websites looking for trumped up speech violations.
Blake on January 18, 2008 at 12:18 PM
The only country that guarantees the right to free speech is America. Every other place can whip up law with a vague “except when..” clause that can be interpreted precisely in the way you’re describing.
amkun on January 18, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Since we’re talking freedom of speech… this is somewhat interesting. Now Golfweek is being censored.
Luckedout on January 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM
I’d welcome Canadians fleeing persecution from the Stalinist Human Rights Commission. Maybe give them refugee status as they flee from the Thought Police.
Buy Danish on January 18, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Do you know how the person was discovered?
TheBigOldDog on January 18, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Luckedout – It’s not censorship. The government had no star chamber hearing about the cover or the intent of the editor. It was a decision made by private owners of a private entity.
Nobody here says that speech is without consequences. What we are discussing is government sanction on speech – that is censorship.
MCPO Airdale on January 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM
This is bizzaro. Maybe everyone at Stormfront is a government agent, each trying to trick the others into doing or saying something illegal to create a case. We’re through the looking glass here people. Black is white; up is down…
I’m reminded of J Edgar Hoover’s Klan-busting techniques. Sometimes the leadership and a large percentage of the rank-and-file members of local KKK outfits were either on the payroll of the FBI or outright undercover agents.
Somehow I doubt that Canadian agents are trolling Islamist sites and leaving pseudonymous posts about jihad. That in itself is probably a violation of CHRC rules (such as they are).
Vote Sauron 08 on January 18, 2008 at 12:35 PM
What’s Alaska’s gun-rights scene like? CCW Shall Issue?
Not that we’ll be leaving anytime soon; my fiance has a job she loves making somewhere in the neighbohood of $40/hr, with pretty comprehensive benefits, and I’m not far behind her. That’s hard stuff to leave.
Frozen Tex on January 18, 2008 at 12:41 PM
It most certainly is a form of censorship! In this case Golfweek magazine is bowing to the shrieks of race baiting hysterics.
When magazines and newspapers refused to publish the Mohammed cartoons that was not government censorship either (the exception being in countries where the government controls the press); it was editorial censorship and it happened all over the world, notably right here in the U.S.
That is positively Orwellian. No one is safe from the P.C. lynch mob.
I think I’ll send Golf Week a letter to decry the fact that they fired the previous editor, Dave Seanor.
If anyone’s interested in joining me, here’s the info from their masthead:
Golfweek, 1500 Park Center Drive, Orlando, FL 32835
Vice President/Publisher: Terry Olson
Reception: 404-563-7000
Subscriptions/Customer service: 800 996 4653
Turnstile Publishing Company:
Chairman: Rance Crain
Buy Danish on January 18, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Surreal.
Zorro on January 18, 2008 at 12:55 PM
“Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death.”
George Orwell, 1984
ronsfi on January 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Rush just mentioned this Golfweek brouhaha…
Back to Mark Steyn, I heard a great interview with him a few weeks ago (Michael Medved?) and he said that no defendant has ever won a case brought by the Human Rights Commission. How’s that for a gloomy prognosis?
Here is an excellent companion piece from the 1/15 issue of American Spectator on this topic and the topic of libel tourism.
Buy Danish on January 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM
I’m Canadian. The more I learn about these human rights commissions, the more I feel as if I’m living in a milder version of Communist Russia or China.
This is all very disturbing.
Josephine on January 18, 2008 at 1:22 PM
I mentioned in another recent post on the Alberta Human Rights Commission that these quasi-judicial bodies in Canada only take on cases they know will end up deciding in favour of the claimant; since the commission both represents the claimant and hears the case, such an outcome is pretty much a given.
Frozen Tex on January 18, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Not much milder.
Frozen Tex on January 18, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Isn’t Mark Steyn an American Citizen now? If so, where is the Bush Administration on this?
Buy Danish on January 18, 2008 at 1:35 PM
No. He just lives here, in part.
Entelechy on January 18, 2008 at 2:52 PM
“Free speech” is a myth in this country. It has now been trumped by “offensive speech.”
That’s why parasites like Sharpton and Jackson have an income. That’s why the media, and most Americans, stumble all over themselves so as not to utter such despicable terms as “black” or “homosexual.” You will now kowtow to “persons of color” or “gay” in America.
ThoughtCrime has come to America. The captioned matter should not be read so as to confine it to Canada.
The Socialist States of America will require you to control your own thoughts – before you think them. And, if you utter them, you will be condemned [at the least] and jailed.
The New America awaits, Comrades.
OhEssYouCowboys on January 18, 2008 at 3:05 PM
He should have been fired for the crime of idiocy. Let Sharpton and Jackson and any other private citizen complain about speech.
When it comes from sitting Senators than I will worry. (Oh wait)
sweeper on January 18, 2008 at 3:24 PM
The game in Canada has only begun, it’s not time to moan until Ezra, Steyn and Macleans get convicted by the supreme court of Canada.
I think the ‘Slumtards have gone too far this time. This will be the stage that free speech will be decided upon for the free world. With Ezra and Steyn representing free speech I think the west will be well served.
Why this knee jerk reaction to write off and then belittle people, countries, continents because of a bit of negative information? Take everything with a grain of salt and assess it’s significance before you all pout and b!tch.
BL@KBIRD on January 18, 2008 at 4:07 PM
War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Knowledge. ~1984.
BKennedy on January 18, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Stand by- Its coming our way.
4Bear on January 18, 2008 at 4:58 PM
If you want to fire the art director for an ugly cover which doesn’t appeal to people who are looking for entertainment, maybe, but how is it that the mere picture of a noose is offensive?
Is the noose the new Mohammad?
Reaction to the noose drew a harsh rebuke from PGA Tour commissioner Tim Finchem.
“Clearly, what Kelly said was inappropriate and unfortunate, and she obviously regrets her choice of words,” Finchem said in a statement. “But we consider Golfweek’s imagery of a swinging noose on its cover to be outrageous and irresponsible. It smacks of tabloid journalism. It was a naked attempt to inflame and keep alive an incident that was heading to an appropriate conclusion.”
I find it hard to believe that Finchem actually read the issue itself, and it is beyond ironic that the editor is being fired for an issue which discusses Tilghman’s suspension and Al Sharpton’s hand in it.
Buy Danish on January 18, 2008 at 5:20 PM
This isn’t a means to an end, its a beginning.
Stormfront is just the worst/first offender, the precedent being set, all anonymous posters are culpable, anywhere.
Speakup on January 18, 2008 at 5:36 PM
As long as they bring plenty of Molson’s and bacon.
91Veteran on January 19, 2008 at 12:05 AM
I didn’t wade through the comments so I may have missed it but when I saw HRC in the quote, I immediately thought of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Hmmm, HRC using agents provocateur huh?
Big John on January 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM
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