It would rule if Mitt made an upset win in SC

Drunk Report on January 19, 2008 at 1:23 PM

I doubt it. It’s mostly a Huck/McCain flamewar, and Mitt’s jet was headed for Jacksonville, FL, not anywhere in SC. Romney seems to have written off SC.

I liked Sampley and his group when they trashed Kerry a few years ago. Kerry deserved it and should have been tried for treason, convicted and stood up against the wall for his actions after he left Vietnam. McCain’s situation is very very different and to my view, only those who were also held captive for years in N. Vietnam have the right to judge him.

I will never vote for John McCain, for anything, but it has nothing to do with his war record and everything to do with his politics.

The question is, who would be dumb enough to attack McCain on the former and not the latter?

I’m almost convinced that the entire Huckabee campaign is being staged by Media Matters, Move-On.org et al.

Correct!

I recognize McCain as a war hero who survived torture, returned to his native land and serves as a senator.

The only lesson to note regarding McCain as POW is his public record.

When a POW and coerced into signing the Anti-American propaganda document, the televised record shows him blinking “torture” Morse Code. That explanation was completely understood by Americans who forgave everyone forced into Communist submission by torture. However, now that decades and generations have distanced him from the occasion, McCain as a Senator would reverse his own record on torture’s universal success in breaking anyone into telling the truth. Now McCain takes the stand that torture does NOT effect truthful admissions from its victims.

McCain’s reasons are his own, but his shift does not correlate to the truth on record. He is a war hero, that is truth. But regarding torture’s effect, following the American withdrawal from Vietnam, a top ranking Vietnamese military official went on record saying that EVERYONE broke under torture. No one in their right mind would expect otherwise, hence no blame to the victims of torture. The French had used that same conclusion, excusing their torture of Algerians as requisite to unhinged the secret revolutionary organization that led the ultimately successful Muslim revolt from France.

Like any successful revolution, (American Revolution 1776, Russia/USSR, China/Mao, Algiers, Vietnam, Iran) revolt succeeds through the sheer determination of its revolutionaries and their implicit FAITH in their cause and their devotion to their leader’s ability to attain the goal. In each of those revolutions mentioned, torture was utilized in the warfare. Since WWI, America’s abstinance from torture was based upon international law agreed upon at the Geneva Convention. Islamic jihadists, Imperialists, fascists and communists do not abide by the Geneva Convention.

Regardless of right or wrong, torture is a most effective means of eliciting truth from an unwilling source of information. It takes all sides to abide or an agreement is not an agreement. Without the enemy concession to the Geneva Convention, I do not abide the gifts of American lives that liberal & compassionately-conservative presidents would sacrifice for any Bael or Mohammed to consume.

“Mccain sponsors push polls against himself criticizing his war record in an attempt to gain sympathy votes and villify Mike Huckabee!”

Stay tuned…

Sorry Califemme, missed this part the last time – Cedars-Sinai is one of my clients and I’m up there often. Who’s your candidate?

Entelechy on January 17, 2008 at 9:44 PM

Go Fred! Go!

But I have no qualms voting Romney or Guiliani…

Nice to meet ya! ;c)

These same politicians, such as John Kerry, and later, John McCain, as U.S. senators in 1993, swept it all under the rug when they were members of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs and issued their final report that there was no evidence that any POWs were still alive in Vietnam.

Califemme on January 17, 2008 at 6:01 PM

SECOND LOOK AT ‘RAMBO, FIRST BLOOD PART II’ SCRIPT!

Storybook (plot).

p.s. – was in a hurry and didn’t check out the faux site, until return home. VinyFoxy, you’re a bad one, indeed.

Entelechy,

“VinyFoxy” is yanking your chain (and everyone else’s).

Don’t you recognize the name “VinyFoxy?” Hint: George W. Bush would.

baldilocks on January 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM

I do believe that the Lady Entelechy can see right trough the devious Spaniards treacherous and nefarious plotting and is just waiting for the proper time to throw him into the fire.

Entelechy, I’m in W. Hollywood… Land of the Lib.

Califemme on January 17, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Sorry Califemme, missed this part the last time – Cedars-Sinai is one of my clients and I’m up there often. Who’s your candidate?

Entelechy,

“VinyFoxy” is yanking your chain (and everyone else’s).

Don’t you recognize the name “VinyFoxy?” Hint: George W. Bush would.

baldilocks on January 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Thanks for helping me out baldilocks.

Storybook. What a fooling. Must be more careful.

Of course, Vincente Fox.

Who’s your candidate?

Califemme on January 17, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Fred or Romney

I did read somewhere today that the reason he was captured was because he missed the bombing target on his first approach, and he made a second approach from the very same spot or IP, enabling the vietnamese to shoot him down. True?

Say no more.

But it seems that you believe that if you serve, you can’t be a liar.

There’s more evidence supporting this group than there was against Kerry.

Gregor on January 17, 2008 at 4:22 PM

These are just two weird statements.
I am the one saying you can serve and be a liar, not what you say. Either you mis-read, or you lied.
Are you that stupid to turn my statement around, when it is in print?
And eyewitnesses admitted not seeing, but just heresay about most of the allegations on this websit…Kerry had eyewitnesses.
Good grief…you are one lonely man to make up stories so you have someone to write to.
And what about the charge of you raping that child…do you have proof you didn’t?
Where is it?

AUINSC on January 17, 2008 at 9:07 PM

Yeppers, I wouldn’t trash his MSR, it’s not for me to “throw stones at glass houses”. We’re cool.

This is the first (thread) I’ve heard trashing his MSR, so I figure maybe others have info that I don’t. I did read somewhere today that the reason he was captured was because he missed the bombing target on his first approach, and he made a second approach from the very same spot or IP, enabling the vietnamese to shoot him down. True? I have no idea. But I sure am pissed about what he did after he got back to states and became a Senator!

AUINSC on January 17, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Understood. But, why are you attacking ME on this?

Again, I REPEAT,

I, for one, did NOT trash his service, and I never will.

So why must I look in mirrors?

Well, I’ve read your comments, and maybe I misunderstood your response. I guess I didn’t get the gist of this:

Which trash?

Califemme on January 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Now, I hope it was evident from my post that the ‘trash’ I was referring to was about accusing him of collaborating with the VC. If not, then I will state again, that anybody who puts forward a theory about McCain’s MSR that includes the allegation that he collaborated with the VC while a captive or ‘allowed’ himself to be taken prisoner is a sh*thead of the highest order unless they can put forward true evidence of a degree seldom seen in human history. We may just be crossing paths here, but if we are, then enlighten me.

To me, McCain just gives unwarranted publicity to nutbars like Sampley and Kiley when his campaign responds to these libelous attacks.
Gerard on January 17, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Bad move in an election. The press is going to ask him and they will air it. Whether he gives a response or not. So his non-response is a response in and of itself. Not responding gives the press something to talk about and drags the story out. If you think the accusations with Kerry would have been a story in the press for as long as it was without his lack of response, you’re kidding yourself.

Anything McCain did while a POW is excusable. The fact that he stood up and, by most accounts, was strong under that kind of duress, is a testament to his character and affords him a measure of respect that he deserves until the day he dies and beyond….

I will never understand how John McCain could ever forgive what Kerry did on April 22, 1971, and the fact that McCain could ever be in the same room with the man without decking him says a whole lot about what a politician McCain real is.

Jaynie59 on January 17, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Agreed. But, it’s what he did on his return, that I question.