The world is billions of years old – plenty of time for a whole lot of accidents,

Are you including abiogenesis in your statement here or are you just refering to evolution?

Because if you are, who knows, maybe you are right and those conveniently positive accidents that took place vastly or not so vastly apart may have been enough to put together a single life form.

It may just have been enough to accidentally put together everything necessary for protection, feeding, reproduction and the program-like instict to even bother to do those things.

It may just have been that no negative accidents could have taken place that would have ripped that single proto-life form apart.

You could be right, and your viewpoint doesn’t represent any kind of faith whatsoever.

but there can never be enough time for an always existent invisible god.

MB4 on January 18, 2008 at 3:00 AM

How convenient to put the god you do not believe in into a box of your own design and then say he can not exist.

You maybe right here as well. You have totally ripped that strawman god to shreds. It could not be that the real God has declared that he always existed before his creation (and that includes time).

You have demonstrated well your lack of faith.

Will Americans return to studying the works of Madison, Jefferson, Adams, Locke, Machiavelli, Aristotle, and Plato, or will they go on making asses of themselves and destroy their federated republics sooner rather than later?

Kralizec on January 18, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Sadly, I’m afraid it will be the latter.

They have to be, due to his ability to stick both into his oral cavity recently. Let’s see how the best speaker in the race managed to do that ……

This guy thinks so and he’s been backing Huck.

Good enough reason to keep them all out of office then, right?.

a capella on January 18, 2008 at 4:30 PM

What? No, I’m just saying that particular interpretation was addressed early in the life of the republic.

Who might that have been?

Akzed on January 18, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Sadly, I don’t know off the top of my head. It’s a bit of a mental historical footnote. Since this thread is in the top picks though, I’ll take a look around and see if I can find the answer and post it here for you over the weekend.

Akzed on January 18, 2008 at 3:28 PM

We are governed by the rule of law, not the whim of a ruling class. This is a profoundly important bedrock of American philosophy. We the people consent to having a government administer the law in strict accordance with the constraints erected within the Constitution.

I would love to run naked down Main St. on Independence Day.

If you go back to the annals of history, you’ll actually find that an elected Jew brought that issue to the forefront way back when.
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Who might that have been?

Good enough reason to keep them all out of office then, right?.
a capella on January 18, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Of course not. I’m not advocating anything, I’m showing what many some founders thought of Christianity: they was mostly all for it.

If you go back to the annals of history, you’ll actually find that an elected Jew brought that issue to the forefront way back when.

Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Good enough reason to keep them all out of office then, right?.

I see he beleves in restricting our rulers to the Christian faith. I must assume you agree with that. Do you also agree our elected representatives are our rulers?
a capella on January 18, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Uh, yes, otherwise what sense does it mean to say things like, “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that… Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed…”

The Founders were not anarchists, y’know. If you don’t think you are governed, then run naked down Main St. and see what happens.

Guess this lets Lieberman and others like him out, doesn’t it?

If you go back to the annals of history, you’ll actually find that an elected Jew brought that issue to the forefront way back when.

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” -

I see he beleves in restricting our rulers to the Christian faith. I must assume you agree with that. Do you also agree our elected representatives are our rulers?

Guess this lets Lieberman and others like him out, doesn’t it?

a capella on January 18, 2008 at 1:20 PM

How many Christian prime ministers do you think Israel is ever likely to have? The chief justice closest to the founding of our country declared that this is a Christian nation. But what’s he know?

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” -John Jay, First Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and co-author of the Federalist Papers, letter to Jedidiah Morse, 28 Feb 1797.

Akzed on January 18, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Guess this lets Lieberman and others like him out, doesn’t it?

Long thread….Did I Miss anything?

AverageJoe on January 18, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Battle to save Middle Earth.

I’ll bet Tyson Foods is salivating at the prospect of having their puppet as CiC.

a capella on January 18, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Again.

“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” -Article III of the Northwest Ordinance (An Ordinance for the Government of the Territory of the United States, North-West of the River Ohio), enacted under the Articles of Confederation July 13th, 1787, and re-enacted under the Constitution on August 7, 1789.

“Laus Deo,” Latin for “Praise God.” -Inscribed on the eastern face of the apex of the Washington Monument in Washington, D.C., so placed as to be the first thing illuminated at sunrise in our nation’s capitol.

“Holiness unto the Lord,” Exodus 28:36. “Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not; for such is the Kingdom of God,” St. Luke 18:16. “Search the Scriptures,” St. John 5:39. -Inscribed on the starircase walls inside the Washington Monument, Washington, D.C.

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” -John Jay, First Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and co-author of the Federalist Papers, letter to Jedidiah Morse, 28 Feb 1797.

“The Americans are the first people whom Heaven has favored with an opportunity of deliberating upon and choosing the forms of government under which they should live.” -John Jay (The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed. (New York: G.P. Putnams Sons, 1890), Vol. I, p. 161.)

“What doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with thy God,” Micah 6:8. “The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth His handywork,” Psalm 19:1. “The light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not,” St. John 1:5. “Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and withall thy getting, get understanding,” Proverbs 4:7. -On the walls of the Library of Congress, Washington, D.C.

“One God, one Law, one element, and faroff Divine event to which the whole creation moves.” -Alfred Lord Tennyson, in the rotunda of the Library of Congress.

And so on, whereas atheism has given us Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot…

Do we want an “Agent of Change” working on behalf of some other Country?

I dont.

Chakra Hammer on January 18, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Better to have a guy who puts a Mexican consulate in Little Rock, Arkansas, and charges them a dollar a year lease, right? Or would prefer to overide sanctions on Cuba so he can sell them Arkansan rice. I’ll bet Tyson Foods is salivating at the prospect of having their puppet as CiC.

No matter how pure of heart the budding Mr. Smith is, when a newly elected politician arrives in Washington. He is met with a phalanx of lobbyists representing their various special interests. ……………………..

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I think a good start would be to elect Fred Thompson for president. I think he can communicate to the American people want our true problems are. And hopefully then, we can address them.

TheSitRep on January 18, 2008 at 8:22 AM

So you want to put the wolf inside the hen house?

Fred Thompson IS a Lobbyist, NOT only a lobbyist but also registered as a foreign agent as well..

Do we want an “Agent of Change” working on behalf of some other Country?

I dont.

SECOND LOOK AT FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!

Because he’s tough. And smart. And not winging his entire frakkin campaign at all.

And also because he’s not a flip-flopper like those other candidates…Oh, wait…

But, I understand the tenets of the Mormon faith, and who made it, and why…. it’s very troublesome. When you say, “Mormons believe that the Constitution was a gift of God”. You do realize that their god is not the same God of the founding fathers, right? The Mormon’s say their god lives on the planet kolob and the dudes got hundreds of wives.
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 2:06 AM

Bigot: a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

You must be so proud to be exactly like HuckaBigot.