Huck hucks up again, says he would ban pretty much all political speech unless it’s kid tested and candidate approved
posted at 6:42 pm on January 17, 2008 by Bryan
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Well, no wonder the Huckabee people like McCain so much. When it comes to free speech, they’re both agin’ it.
I personally wish that all of this was outlawed. I think that every candidates should speak for themselves, and that every thing that involves the candidate’s name or another candidate’s name should be authorized and approved by that candidate, otherwise it shouldn’t be spoken….
The point is that candidates can’t force these special interest 527 groups to stop. I wish we could.
The “this” that Huckabee wishes was outlawed is push polling, but he takes the riff much farther than that with the “every thing that involves a candidate’s name…should be approved by the candidate” line. It doesn’t take a Constitutional scholar to see that that would mean the end of the First Amendment, at least in a political context. But since we’re on the McCain-Feingold free speech slip n slide, we might as well just get a good run and dive in head first. At least that’s what Huck seems to think.
But don’t worry. By tomorrow he’ll have signed a pledge promising to protect the First Amendment as his bff. Because he’s tough. And smart. And not winging his entire frakkin campaign at all.
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It’s relevant for two reasons off the top of my head. America was founded on Christian values, the American legal system on the TEN COMMANDMENTS. 24 of the 56 singers of the Constitution held seminary degrees, meaning they were Pastor-like … hey! sort of like Mike Huckabee!! Hmm, I can just hear it now, let’s go back in time a bit…. yeah…. the money-cons are slandering founder John Witherspoon who was responsible for two American translations of the Bible. Eww, I see an attack ad against founding father Abraham Baldwin who served seven years as a chaplain during the Revolutionary War. That one came from Romney.
Speaking of which, my second reason, what Romney and his Mormon friends like Glenn Beck have been doing lately, is to try and garner sympathy for just how “Christian” Mormonism is without ever actually addressing the fundamental tenets that Mormonism espouses. They are lying to the public.
Instead of honestly and openly telling people that Mormons believe Jesus is Satan’s brother, they point out what they think are flaws in our soul, and how it is as dark as the one that Beck once exhibited during his days of drunkenness and debauchery.
That’s why this is important. Romney is a liar.
apacalyps on January 17, 2008 at 11:16 PM
It’s awfully quite in here, ‘tard tag team.
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Whatever.
My answer to you is the last comment on page two.
baldilocks on January 17, 2008 at 11:18 PM
I, of course, as you can tell by the context that followed it, meant “ISN’T an anti-evangelical sentiment”.
Spirit of 1776 on January 17, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Coming from a Huckolyte, that’s rich.
Laura on January 17, 2008 at 11:21 PM
And this applies to the United States, the Constitution, and election laws…. how???
Please elaborate. Show your work.
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:22 PM
NIE report???
Come on…as if anyone of you think that thing was anywhere near remotely accurate.
Huck knows Iran is planning a nuclear holocaust on Israel,America and UK!!
He’s not going to just jump on whatever liberal bandwagon comes along telling him what he knows is wrong!
He has principles and truly understands the islamic threat for what it truly is!
HaraldHardrada on January 17, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Oh, apacalys didn’t say that! He was just asking.
2
Mike Huckabee, who has a batchelors in religion and lied (maybe taqiyya is okay when speaking to voters and the press) about having a theology decree. Which of the 10 commandments does that break again? Ooooh, oooh, I know!
Spirit of 1776 on January 17, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Does this apacalyps guy seem a bit like a religious bigot to you? Reminds me of a wild haired guy standing on street corner passing out hand written pamphlets predicting the end of the world in so many days. Or looking for a comet to ride, along with his followers. We know he doesn’t like Mormons. I’ll bet he doesn’t like black people or Jews, either. Wonder if he belongs to a club.
a capella on January 17, 2008 at 11:27 PM
You are spinning. Being ignorant of the most important foreign policy topic of the week isn’t a quality of a person whose foreign policy is his strong point. Bolton knew about it. And of course, so did Huck because he consulted with Bolton. Oh wait, that was a lie too! Which commandment is that again?
Spirit of 1776 on January 17, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Mormon’s like Romney and his buddy Glenn Beck are trying to hijack Christianity. I take offense to that.
apacalyps on January 17, 2008 at 11:28 PM
That’s not the point, Huckster.
He didn’t know what it was!
DES MOINES – Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said Tuesday he was unfamiliar with the National Intelligence Estimate that reported that Iran had not had a program to develop nuclear weapons since 2003, and he questioned the intelligence work behind it.
Asked by reporters if he had been briefed on the summary of the report, which was declassified and released Monday, Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, said “No.”
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:28 PM
LOL – Yes, Truther style. Funny how much Huckolytes (acolytes of the One True Christian Leader) have in common with Truthers.
Laura on January 17, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Wrong. He knew it wasn’t worth the paper it was written on!
HaraldHardrada on January 17, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Then do it, and while you’re at it tell your Republican part mates to do it too.
Oh, and if you can’t avoid making Gov. huckabee’s candidacy a religious discussion, make sure to ask Mitt Romney the same amount of questions about his Mormonism.
apacalyps on January 17, 2008 at 11:32 PM
huh??
In your mind Huckabee supporters who truly understand the existential and demonic threat of global islam somehow translate as 9/11 truthers who think there is no islamic threat and think Bush is faking the whole thing.
I feel sorry for you.
HaraldHardrada on January 17, 2008 at 11:33 PM
I can smell this anti-Evangelical hate a mile away.
apacalyps on January 17, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Pal, that is the LEAST offensive statement you’ve posted tonight. I do not agree with it, but I will definitely stand behind your right to say it.
Unfortunately, most of us here are concered with a certain political exercise called the South Carolina primary, and what you posted has nothing to do with it.
I understand your blind loyalty to Huck. But I advise you to review that stance… not because of your beliefs- I’d never ask you to abandon those… but because this primary has absolutely nothing to do with them.
To quote a famous movie guy; “…keep his eye blind to all else that moves.”
You’re losing focus here, pal. The country is at stake. You are throwing in with a charlatan, and you know it! You are on a path to lose far more that you could possibly gain. And if you were to win, it would be like waking up in a Tim La Haye novel.
Think about it. All the pieces are moving but you are standing still. Not a good strategy.
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:35 PM
You’re the one who said that Huckabee’s critics had EDS. Take your own advice.
baldilocks on January 17, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I think csdeven is an atheist.
“a fool in his heart says there is no God”
HaraldHardrada on January 17, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Let me be completely clear about this, because you will disingenuously parse it anyway:
There is an existential threat of a global caliphate, and the Truthers are nut jobs. Our government did not, directly or indirectly, orchestrate 9/11.
The comparision between Truthers and Huckolytes is your common disingenousness, sneakiness, word-parsing, conspiracy-theorizing, us against The Man pathetic little worldview.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Laura on January 17, 2008 at 11:37 PM
apacalyps, this conversation on HA predates you, so I’ll catch you up.
I’m have no problem with people asking Romney about his Mormonism. I have a problem with the press focusing in on it to an extent that it blocks out real, more important issues. Same thing applies to Obama and his race. Are there racists? Yeah. Are there bigots? Yeah. That’s just part of the political landscape. I don’t have to think it’s cool though when Paul writes newsletters to recruit them, or Huckabee tries to stir them up by dropping lines like ‘aren’t Jesus and Satan brothers?’ That is the worst kind of politicking in my mind. Is not his religion anymore than it’s Paul’s religion. Is the manner and level to which they stoop to accomplish political goals. I don’t believe the ends justify the means.
Spirit of 1776 on January 17, 2008 at 11:37 PM
My complete, total, undeniable, and COMPLETELY PUBLIC lack of support for Mssrs. Romney and Huckabee have nothing to do with their faith or lack thereof.
It would simply not be an issue if you two tag teamers would quit bringing it up.
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Good Gravy!! Are you serious?!
OK, lets try it this way…….
If a man can hijack “Christianity”, you must be following the wrong Jesus. The Jesus I know, over the last 2000 years, has not allowed man to corrupt the bible and he certainly wont let a Mormon hijack Christianity.
Have some faith brother!
Bwahahahaha!!!!
csdeven on January 17, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Is that your “real Jesus” telling you that?
csdeven on January 17, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Dude, are you gonna make me RUB YOUR FACE IN IT???
DES MOINES – Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said Tuesday he was unfamiliar with the National Intelligence Estimate…
WTF is wrong with you?
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:40 PM
OK then…who was the first candidate to debunk the NIE???
You guessed it……Mike Huckabee!
HaraldHardrada on January 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM
By his clever ruse of not knowing about it!! Brilliant. Don’t you get dizzy?
Spirit of 1776 on January 17, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Jumpin’ Jehoshaphat!! Are you serious?
This guy isn’t serious you guys. He’s yanking our chains. Nobody is that obtuse.
csdeven on January 17, 2008 at 11:44 PM
And WTF business is that of yours? HE didn’t bring it up. You did!
And as I said; Satan was well-known for quoting scripture, too. You ride a slippery slope here, my scripture-quoting, spittle-ridden friend.
I do not think that Jesus intended his Word to be used as a bludgeoning instrument in political campaigns…
But, hey, what do I know. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:46 PM
You said that Mormon’s were Christian’s. That is so wrong. My point is you don’t even understand the basics of Christianity to be arguing about how immoral a Christian like Gov. Huckabee is. Mormon’s teach that Jesus and Satan are brothers. Mormons believe that God is a polygamously marriage man, who sires bodiless children to be sent to earth to take on bodies, whereby they can become gods and goddesses one day, and you whine about just how poorly the Christian candidate Mike Huckabee’s is??
apacalyps on January 17, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Speaking only for myself, I am dizzy enough to throw up.
BUT PRAISE THE HUCKABEE! ALL WORSHIP THE HUCKABEE!!!1!!11!
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Why don’t you shut up?
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King Juan CarlosBarry GoldwaterMB4 on January 17, 2008 at 11:48 PM
You see what you want to see.
Hey! What are you doing? Get back to bashing Gov. Huckabee!!!
apacalyps on January 17, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Is it not true?
apacalyps on January 17, 2008 at 11:50 PM
The NIE report was complete BS designed to aid our enemies.
To me it is proof that there are spies and enemies within our intelligence agencies and government.
How’s that for a conspiracy theory Laura?
Grilling Huckabee about it is ridiculous and only makes the BS NIE report seem valid!
HaraldHardrada on January 17, 2008 at 11:53 PM
I expect Mormons to be evil anti-Christians.
/s
HuckaSmuck is supposedly THE “Christian leader” and he should be held to the highest of standards. He is a disgusting gibot, a fraud, and a liar.
csdeven on January 17, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Okay. I’ll say it a third time: Mike Huckabee is not Jesus Christ.
It’s obvious that when I say that you think that I’m bashing him. That mean that you think that he is the Second Coming.
Folks, we have a certifiable one here. Seriously.
baldilocks on January 17, 2008 at 11:54 PM
The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion.
- John Adams
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
- Thomas Jefferson
MB4 on January 17, 2008 at 11:54 PM
mean=means
baldilocks on January 17, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Just when I think you’ve outdone a Michael Moore documentary, you crank it up a notch. Well played!
Not only was it good for Huck to be ignorant about his “so-called” strength: foreign policy, we play into our enemies hands when we ask him about it! I doubt I will ever see such a nuanced defense of ignorance again. Well played indeed.
Spirit of 1776 on January 17, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Dude, lay off the friggin’ schnappes already! You’re not even old enough to drink!
This is America, the last time I checked. There are certain rights that are given to all of us by God… and by God, I am sick and tired of you laying your theological BS on us as some kind of uber-policy from Der
FuerherHucklemeister.Now, can you two ‘tards get back to the issues? We have a primary at hand here, not a beheading!
Get a clue. You’re going down a very thorn-infested, freedom-killing path. Back off!
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Dude, don’t bother. He thinks Huckabee is Jesus Christ and should be elected POTUS on that basis. That tells you what we dealing with.
baldilocks on January 17, 2008 at 11:57 PM
The question was asked by why Romney’s Mormonism mattered in his bid in becoming president? (a capella on January 17, 2008 at 11:04 PM)
The reason this matters is because instead of Romney and his side-kick Glenn Beck honestly and openly telling people that Mormons believe Jesus is Satan’s brother, they point out what they think are flaws in our soul, and how it is as dark as the one that Beck once exhibited during his days of drunkenness and debauchery. They exploit a bigot to promote their own bigotry.
That’s why this is important. Romney is a liar. So is Glenn Beck.
Why isn’t lying a disqualifier here??
apacalyps on January 17, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Guys like this are the reason Atheists are afraid. Hell, guys like this is why we are ALL afraid.
csdeven on January 17, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Dude, you win the back seat of the short bus. Will my EMPHASIS help you out here???
DES MOINES – Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said Tuesday he was unfamiliar with the National Intelligence Estimate that reported that Iran had not had a program to develop nuclear weapons since 2003, and he questioned the intelligence work behind it.
Asked by reporters if he had been briefed on the summary of the report, which was declassified and released Monday, Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, said “No.”
wccawa on January 17, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Who is a better candidate as far as energy independence goes??
Fred?? No.
Mccain?? No.
HaraldHardrada on January 17, 2008 at 11:59 PM
You got it right Harald!!
Mike Knows!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNaNe5UtHaY
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 12:00 AM
There is no religious test for president. That’s in the constitution. But I’d bet you and that gibot Huckabee would like to amend the constitution so there will be a religious test. YOUR test.
csdeven on January 18, 2008 at 12:01 AM
If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet, they could do us in. When you say ‘radical right’ today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like
Pat RobertsonMike Huckabee [updated] and otherswho are trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.Well, I’ve spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the ‘Old Conservatism.’ And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength. Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects.
By maintaining the separation of church and state, the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars. Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in northern Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?
The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others, less the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. We have succeeded for over 200 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn’t stop now. To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic.
- Barry Goldwater
MB4 on January 18, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I’m confused. Lying is a disqualifier for you? Did you just switch positions? Let’s see, Huck lied about having a theology degree and he lied about consulting with Bolton. Okay, you got me. I won’t vote for him.
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 12:02 AM
This proves my point when you don’t take into consideration the candidates faith, you’re just asking for trouble. Alot of people don’t care if a candidate believes that the Earth was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, well, if that’s the case then they would vote for a Muslim, right? Look up the word “Al Takiyah,” “Takia,” or “Al-Taqiyah”. It’s spelled something like that. The Islamic concept of Al-Taqiyah is to infiltrate and destroy infidel countries. The Quran allows Muslims to lie to spread their religion. I ask you under these circumstances how could anyone trust a Muslim? Actually, politically correct media and Americans would!! HOW STUPID!!!!!!
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 12:05 AM
MB4,
You’re always quoting Barry Goldwater…are you a ron paul supporter?
HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 12:05 AM
“Dear god”, as AP would say.
Barry Goldwater is turning uneasy in his grave.
Entelechy on January 18, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Let him.
Barry Goldwater was no Ronald Reagan….not even remotely close!
HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 12:08 AM
The High Reverend Huckster may be the anti-Christ.
MB4 on January 18, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Ummm… I missed a memo here. Where did the statement arise that triggered your outburst in this exchange, prior?
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 12:09 AM
We do take THE “Christian leader” faith into account. He is a disgusting bigot, a liar, and a fraud. Those are the tenets of his religion of deceptions.
csdeven on January 18, 2008 at 12:10 AM
HH, MB4 quotes all kinds of real and fictitious personalities – you have to pay better attention. He’s hard to figure out, and his guns are most always loaded.
Entelechy on January 18, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Only left-wing Democrats believe that mentioning a candidate’s record amounts to “bigotry”. You people have soooo over-used that insult that it no longer has any meaning OR should be considered a badge of honor considering the source. In YOUR case, it’s the latter.
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Ronald Reagan would disagree with you.
He would probably say that he was no Barry Goldwater.
Maybe you can ask The High Reverend Huckster to ask God to ask him next time he talks to God.
MB4 on January 18, 2008 at 12:11 AM
That’s a far reach considering everything Gov. Huckabee has said regarding how he would eal with Iran and Islamofascism.
Here, maybe this will help reassure you. Probably one of the quotes this political season.
Click link to open
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyUXdkrwrd4
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 12:15 AM
No, although I would vote for him before I would vote for The High Reverend Huckster, aka The anti-Christ.
MB4 on January 18, 2008 at 12:15 AM
I have zero problem with people who take a candidate’s faith into consideration. Zero. I do have a problem when they project that onto other people and appeal to bigotry and racial prejudice as I mentioned in a comment above. That is as divisive a political tool as possible.
When I look at Romney’s faith, I don’t have to agree with it. The questions I want to know are: how will it effect his Presidency? As I understand it, Mormons believe that the Constitution was a gift of God to our nation and that America is a blessed land. Okay, that’s fine with me. What else? He has strong family values? Okay, that’s fine with me. His church has a long standing tradition (I think it even maybe a rule) of non-interference with political matters. Okay, that’s fine with me. What am I supposed to freak out about? He didn’t ask me to convert.
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 12:15 AM
You’re not well.
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 12:18 AM
You sense the conundrum here, my dear friend (channeling McCain), but you have avoided the issues like a plague all evening.
You have employed extreme identity politics to isolate what you consider your enemy… ie: anyone who chooses a path other than the one you have chosen.
To your misfortune, you have picked the wrong thread upon which to base that strategy.
And more unfortunately, the more you froth at the mouth, the more you leave yourself open on your flank. But you do not recognize that yet.
I would be very, very careful on how you choose to present your deeply held beliefs at this point. Your rage unbalances you.
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 12:19 AM
MB4 on January 18, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Is there a vast Mormon conspiracy that I am unaware of?
Romney strikes me as a decent man who has taken some reasonable positions on the most pressing issues during this race.
The Huckster strikes me as a lightweight who would enact big government, anti-states rights policies that would be damaging to this nation in the long run.
SimplyKimberly on January 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM
@ apacalyps on January 17, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Its RICH to me that there is a christian who is pointing out all of the nonsense in the mormon religion, as if the bible isnt full of gigantic contradictions, far fetched notions and downright weird things. Take everything you are saying about mormonism to be true, how is that any more “out there” than what YOU believe? You believe in something because your PARENTS taught it to you. \ If you were a child in Pakistan, you would have been taught the Quran and not the bible. You would be saying the exact same things about the bible and how messed up they were. Full disclosure, I am an athiest, and I see pretty much all religions as silly, but i 100% respect the right of others to believe in what they want. But when I see some ass being so bigoted and close-minded, someonw who takes EVERYTHING they think as gospel, and who proclaims EVERYTHING not in line with what they believe to be wrong and naive, I have to speak up and tell that person he is a moron.
muyoso on January 18, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Ok I have figured it out, apacalyps and HaraldHardrada are clearly being paid by a rival campaign to Mike Huckabee. It’s genius really. Show up at HotAir, pretend you are voting for Huckabee, only act like a complete ass so that everyone else is so turned off by the things you say that by association you dislike Huckabee even more. Brilliant!! So who is it that’s paying you guys, come on fess up??
lan astaslem on January 18, 2008 at 12:26 AM
apacalyps,
Listen up buddy. I need to tell you something very serious. OK? Check this out.
Dude, I dont have the slightest doubt in my mind, that if you had lived 2000 years ago or so, that you would be the first guy in line to nail Jesus to the cross. You are an evil, limited-IQ bigot. You THINK you are a Christian…but you are a devil.
When the day comes that you leave this life for the eternities, you will die here and lift your eyes in hell. You will look around and look up and say “WHOA, who are all those people up there with Jesus in heaven? And somebody will say, “Well there are lots of people up there in heaven with Jesus, there is Mitt Romney, there is Ghandi, there is Mother Theresa, there is Joseph Smith, there is your neighbor that helped out that family when they needed a hand…and then you will look at the person talking to you while you are in hell and you will say “MIKE HUCK, AND CHUCK NORRIS, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING DOWN HERE WITH ME?!?!?!
Roger Waters on January 18, 2008 at 12:26 AM
From your lips to God’s ear.
Such a simple statement, but such profound truth. We could have killed the thread two hours ago had you posted this.
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 12:28 AM
@ apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 12:15 AM
You are my first encounter with someone who actually supports huckabee. I will try and be gentle. Huckabee is about the worst candidate that I have ever seen run for public office. HE made religion a cornerstone of his campaign. HE shoves it in our faces at every possible juncture. This is so when people attack him, people of questionable intelligence (not naming names, cough cough) who support him can claim we are attacking his religion. He has publicly said that he wants to take back this country for jesus. He has said that people who DONT believe in christ are “evildoers”. You probably believe all of this too, seeing how “open-minded” and tolerant. you seem of other belief systems. He wants to make this war on terror into a holy war, basically a crusades v2.0. His candidacy would bring the end to the US as a superpower. He is a soft man on every issue other than god, gays, and abortion.
He is weak on illegal immigration.
He is weak on crime.
He is weak on foreign policy.
He has no economic plan, he borrows/steals when he needs to
He wants to completely change this country, disregard EVERYTHING the constitution was put in place to prevent.
muyoso on January 18, 2008 at 12:33 AM
@ lan astaslem on January 18, 2008 at 12:26 AM
We can dislike Huckabee even more??
muyoso on January 18, 2008 at 12:34 AM
And here’s to you, Reverend Huckabee
Jesus loves you more than you will know
(Wo wo wo)
God bless you, please Reverend Huckabee
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey hey hey – hey hey hey)
We’d like to know a little bit more about the changes you would make in all our lives
We’d like to help you help yourself to control everything that we do
Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes
Put whatever you want in the Constitution to make it more like what you do at home
And here’s to you, Reverend Huckabee
Jesus loves you more than you will know
(Wo wo wo)
God bless you, please Reverend Huckabee
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey hey hey – hey hey hey)
Hide your church speaking fees in a hiding place where no one ever goes
Put them in your back yard where your son has buried all those dogs
It’s a little secret, just the Huckabees’s affair
Most of all you’ve got to hide it from the flock
Coo coo ca choo, Reverend Huckabee
Jesus loves you more than you will know
(Wo wo wo)
God bless you, please Reverend Huckabee
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey hey hey – hey hey hey)
Sitting on your sofa come this Saturday night
Watching the South Carolina returns come in
Laugh about it, cry about it
When you’ve got to choose
Ev’ry which way you look at it you lose
Where have you gone, Barry Goldwater?
Conservatives turn their longing eyes to you
(Woo woo woo)
What’s that you say, Reverend Huckabee
‘Mr Conservative’ you have driven far away?
(Hey hey hey – hey hey hey)
MB4 on January 18, 2008 at 12:34 AM
I’m late to this whole discussion, but when I saw the above quote, I had to respond. This quote is always thrown out as if it’s the smoking gun of America forming as a complete secular state.
Not only is this a disengenous way to quote John Adams (you ended the quote in the middle of the sentence!), but without context, it can mean anything.
Come on, guys. Don’t accuse others of twisting facts only to then twist them yourselves.
Here’s the complete quote:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion as it has in itself no character of enmity [hatred] against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] and as the said States [America] have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
This was part of the Treaty of Tripoli.
Now to understand what was being stated and the point of this paragraph would need even MORE context, of which I don’t feel is neccesary now.
Skidd on January 18, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Next thing you know, Huckabee is going to mandate that Darwinism-evolutionism is the only “science,” “fact,” “theory,” that can be taught in science class.
William2006 on January 18, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Ha, ha, ha… good point, there goes that theory.
lan astaslem on January 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Well did you Huck supporters bail on us? Or are you going to answer the charges to Huck’s duplicity?
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 12:39 AM
No response huh?
I’m guessing energy independence is not a priority to those here.
Anyway…back to Christian bashing.
HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 12:39 AM
I couldn’t agree with you more. Where we part is that I support Mike Huckabee and you don’t. First off,
Rudy Giuliani is a liberal–pro abortion and same sex marriage, talk about being a “false conservative”… pleeeease.
And John McCain is not a “conservative”! Who would vote for him? The McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill to grant citizenship to 20 million illegal aliens is “conservative”?! The McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill is INSANE. It is NATIONAL SUICIDE. Even liberal labor unions in Michigan opposed the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill. McCain’s lunatic plan to legalize 20 million illegal aliens was so leftwing that even many Democrats opposed it. On foreign policy, McCain said that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton do not get enough credit for their foreign policy “achievements”.
Romney’s flip-flop on the issues is notorious and his universal health insurance plan, which he often touts as the signature achievement of his governorship, allows women to have an abortion for a $50 co-pay. Even worse, Romney’s health plan also mandates that Planned Parenthood, America’s largest abortion seller, be involved in appointing members to the legislation’s policy board. Anyone voting in the primary should check this out. http://TrueRomney.com
And Fred doesn’t support this human life amendment that is part of the GOP platform. (nor does John McCain). That means he allows people at the state level to choose to kill little babies. Plus he has a pathetic record as a senator and lobbyist (for Libya).
Governor Huckabee is the best speaker and the most charismatic of the Republican candidates. He has a Reaganesque ability to communicate. He is the only candidate capable of moving the country beyond post-Enlightenment meaninglessness and, therefore, having any chance at actually saving this country in the long run. Mike Huckabee– a true conservative, a man of honor, pro-life, pro-gun rights, less taxes, securing the borders, fighting terrorism, etc., etc.
What Leadership Looks Like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwfzk5RSQy4
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Well Skidd, you may of course continue to argue with MB4, but just a cursory reading of the quote, given today’s affairs, indicates that it needs revision, beginning with “religion or tranquility”. When the moderate Muslims come by to argue otherwise, in droves, I’ll change my mind.
Entelechy on January 18, 2008 at 12:42 AM
He wants to make this war on terror into a holy war, basically a crusades v2.0.
His candidacynot forming a crusades v2.0 would bring the end to the US as a superpowermuyoso on January 18, 2008 at 12:33 AM
I fixed it for you buddy!
HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Not to mention people love to use that document as if it “overrides” or speaks for the Constitution.
By the way.
I’m done.
geckomon on January 18, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Damn you Gringo!
You have figured out my diabolical plot to get my little Juan elected!
Keep it to yourself and there will be a few pesos in it for you, bien. You can take extra time to learn el Espanol too.
VinyFoxy on January 18, 2008 at 12:45 AM
JA also said the Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. As I expect you already know.
apacalyps, are you going to answer the charges to Huck’s duplicity? or do you incorporate that into ‘Man of Honor‘
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 12:47 AM
No argument with your point. By the way, during that time in our history, we learned very quickly the tactics and goals of Islam.
Skidd on January 18, 2008 at 12:47 AM
If you don’t think that the Republican elites are attacking Huck; that it is a well-coordinated effort to completely eliminate him; then you haven’t been reading HA. Funny thing though, their “talking points” propaganda warfare used against a fellow conservative who could very well be more of a conservative than they are provides us with a good look at their true colors.
There are a number of pundits, bloggers, reporters, and radio hosts that I will never trust again to be “fair and balanced.”
A Whole New Race – Switch to Huckabee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3BMNKqzYHc
apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Schmuckabee is a televangelist kinda guy..i.e. a charlatan. I doubt even HE believes the crap that he spouts. He wanted to enact a nationwide ban on smoking, now he has backed off it. He wanted to give aliens college tuition, now he wants to deport them, he doesnt know what he wants… he just wants to be President, he doesnt believe anything.
PS: Apalcalyps, good luck in hell. You are going to need it.
Roger Waters on January 18, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Good lord, I should have remembered this, anyway…
Never argue with little boys in mom’s basement.
(slap)
Some of us- not Huckafans- have to work tomorrow. Have fun with these ‘tards.
wccawa on January 18, 2008 at 12:49 AM
I saw this somewhere here today. It bears repeating.
There is nothing simple about your ranting.
geckomon on January 18, 2008 at 12:50 AM
HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 12:43 AM
You are insane. Go fight your holy wars over in the middle east yourself. Dont ger me involved because your invisible omnipotent being doesnt get along with the muslims invisible omnipotent being.
muyoso on January 18, 2008 at 12:50 AM
And the time came when The High Reverend Huckster ruled the Earth.
That time was called The New Dark Ages.
MB4 on January 18, 2008 at 12:50 AM
To summize,
What part of “if we don’t vote for Mike Huckabee we’re going to get Juan Mcain” don’t you understand?????
HaraldHardrada on January 18, 2008 at 12:52 AM
VinyFoxy on January 18, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Well, well, well, “diabolical” VF is back in the picture. You need to check back where you left off earlier.
Your plan for Juan better not work or I’ll fight you, in a duel, yes with a sword. Note that it’s spelled correctly this time too.
Entelechy on January 18, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Is the Kool-Aid you are drinking red or blue?
lan astaslem on January 18, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Look out folks – HaraldHardrada and VinyFoxy are plotting, just each for a different outcome.
Entelechy on January 18, 2008 at 12:54 AM
@ apacalyps on January 18, 2008 at 12:48 AM
How you can claim that Huckabee is a conservative is mond boggling. HE has NO conservative positions other than god, gays and abortion. He is nearly the weakest republican on illegal immigration, he only changed his views since he was called on them for not being conservative. He has no foreign policy experience, and when called on it (NIE), he goes and lies about consulting Bolton. He has NO economic plan, so when he is seen as the national front runner, by surprise, he goes and steals a plan already written out. He isnt a conservative, he is a super religious person, who brings his religion into EVERY freaking issue, and then cries about it when people call him on it. Its no different then if Obama was calling everyone a racist who attacked him on any issue. Its the same BS.
muyoso on January 18, 2008 at 12:54 AM
What’s the difference? McCain wants to legalize lots of illegals. Huck wants to use taxpayer $$ to subsidize college tuition for their anchor babies. No wonder Huck’s campaign manager said “We like McCain.” No kidding. Birds of a feather.
Spirit of 1776 on January 18, 2008 at 12:54 AM
the part where Mitt gets elected.
lan astaslem on January 18, 2008 at 12:55 AM
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