Reason: Lew Rockwell wrote Ron Paul’s newsletters
posted at 12:24 pm on January 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Some of them, anyway. He denies it but Weigel and Sanchez have half a dozen sources saying it’s so. That’s good news, actually, since Paul will be finished as a political force once the campaign’s over but Rockwell’s website will crawl on, with this now chained to its ankle.
There’s an inside-baseball element here about the split within libertarianism between the left-libertine types like the Reason crew and the “paleo” types like Rockwell, who apparently once concluded that the key to building a winning electoral coalition was hooking up with David Duke and militia fantasists. Paul has a foot planted in each wing, migrating from the latter to the former over the years so that now the left-libs are stuck holding his baggage. Reason’s trying to hand it back to him (or, more specifically, to the paleos), and while they still appear to allow for the possibility that he didn’t know what was going on at the time with the newsletters, they also pretty clearly think that possibility’s remote. Credit them for unsparing skepticism here:
The publishing operation was lucrative. A tax document from June 1993—wrapping up the year in which the Political Report had published the “welfare checks” comment on the L.A. riots—reported an annual income of $940,000 for Ron Paul & Associates, listing four employees in Texas (Paul’s family and Rockwell) and seven more employees around the country. If Paul didn’t know who was writing his newsletters, he knew they were a crucial source of income and a successful tool for building his fundraising base for a political comeback…
The man who was once the Great Paleolibertarian Hope has built a broad base of enthusiastic supporters without resorting to venomous rhetoric or coded racism. He has stuck stubbornly to the issues of sound money, “humble foreign policy,” and shrinking the state. He wraps up his speeches with a three-part paean to individualism: “I don’t want to run your life,” “I don’t want to run the economy,” and “I don’t want to run the world.” He talks about the disproportionate effect of the drug war on African-Americans, and appeared at a September 2007 Republican debate on black issues that was boycotted by the then-frontrunners. All this and more have brought him $30 million-plus from more than 100,000 donors; thousands of campaign volunteers, and the largest rallies he’s ever spoken to, including a crowd of almost 5,000 in Philadelphia.
Yet those new supporters, many of whom are first encountering libertarian ideas through the Ron Paul Revolution, deserve a far more frank explanation than the campaign has as yet provided of how their candidate’s name ended up atop so many ugly words. Ron Paul may not be a racist, but he became complicit in a strategy of pandering to racists—and taking “moral responsibility” for that now means more than just uttering the phrase. It means openly grappling with his own past—acknowledging who said what, and why. Otherwise he risks damaging not only his own reputation, but that of the philosophy to which he has committed his life.
I don’t think he’s doing any lasting damage to libertarianism. The intelligent libertarian kids in his base will dump the chaff and keep the wheat; the cranks are lost causes anyway. As for his coming clean, though, what can he say? What excuse can he plausibly give that doesn’t involve admitting, however obliquely, “Yes, I once held those views?” When and where did the supposed, er, Pauline conversion come?
Update: Levy and Kerry Howley separate the wheat from the chaff.
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one former aide that worked for Paul during the period of the newsletters was curiously left out of thid article, which is obviously trying to deflect all controversial content onto Rockwell to save Paul as best they can.
here is what Dondero said awhile back about these newsletters:
http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/10/ron-paul-to-address-race-issues-on-cnn/#comment-427989
of course they just dismiss him as a ‘disgruntled former employee’, when he actually quit
jp on January 16, 2008 at 12:31 PM
He could plead willful (or selective) blindness to the newsletter.
“I just cashed the checks, without bothering to see where they came from.
Like Grandpa Simpson;
“Didn’t you wonder where they money came from?”
“I just assumed there was a Democrat in the White House again!”
Frozen Tex on January 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM
its amazing how uninterested the media are on this story, especially after the way the paultards have harrassed them over the last year.
Where’s the blowback?
jp on January 16, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Yesterday on RedEye, in a discussion with Kerry Howley(of Reason Magazine) Andrew Levy said that Ron Paul is now the Stalin of libertarianism. Without the mustache of course.
Complete7 on January 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM
What a mess. If Reason Magazine and Ron Paul represent the supposed two sides of libertarianism, we’re in trouble. Where’s Goldwater when we need him?
Jim-Rose on January 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24464
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 12:39 PM
There’s no way they don’t get at least a few fleas for lying down with this dog.
thirteen28 on January 16, 2008 at 12:41 PM
On the road to Dallas?
Wineaholic on January 16, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Pat Buchanan. Co-Founder of a magazine that compares Rudy Giuliani to a Nazi.
amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 12:45 PM
What does this have to do with Ron Paul being a racist and a bigot?
bnelson44 on January 16, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Death to the Paul “Campaign”! Thank G*d!
Gartrip on January 16, 2008 at 12:50 PM
It has to do with the reason people support him. And the reason people cannot support any other candidate. And its just generally a good read on how F*cked we are as a nation, because neither party will do a thing to change this trend.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I don’t care who wrote it. Paul is a white supremacist, and I can’t stand him. If somebody wrote something in your name, and it espouses beliefs that you don’t support (especially as a public official, holding elected, public office), then you IMMEDIATELY and PUBLICLY refute it. You set the recond straight, and you immediately FIRE everybody involved in the incident. Ron (the Grand Imperial Cyclops) Paul did no such thing, and I think he’s had more than enough years to do so. Now, his weak, transparent efforts to distance himself from those writings is nothing more than an election year ploy to wipe the manure off his lips and hands. He remained silent, and in that silence, gave more than tacit approval to those writings that he didn’t actually pen (which is irrelevant in light of the things he really did write).
Virus-X on January 16, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Fascinating.
So his operation had nearly a million bucks in revenue in 1993? And it had a staff of eleven?
This is not some small operation, but neither is it so large that Paul can believably say that he has “no idea” who wrote for the newsletter.
Wasn’t it Ayn Rand who said something about letting one’s name be attached to evil is also evil? Or something like that? At this point, the best that can be said about Paul is that he cynically published something he didn’t believe in for monetary gain.
So long, Captain Principle!
JohnTant on January 16, 2008 at 12:53 PM
So racism is fine in your candidate as long as he has the correct economic stance? (which has been a problem with Pat Buchannan as well by the way).
I agree we need to get back to our roots as a nation, but please, please abandon Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones. We don’t need these kind anywhere near our government.
bnelson44 on January 16, 2008 at 12:53 PM
It has always been about money with Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones (and maybe Ron Paul, I don’t know)
bnelson44 on January 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Not only did he give tacit approval, he profited from the words that were written. $940,000? I don’t know whether to be impressed by Paul’s take, or discouraged that those writings could earn him so much money.
Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM
So as long as your candidate has the right economic policies, he can be bat sh*t conspiracy crazy and racist? Got it.
amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM
and just last year Buchanan was pitching a fit over Bush adopting the phrase “Islamic Fascism”, then tried a moral equivalence to Mussolini saying it would be like calling him a “Christofascist”… These idiots don’t realize that Islam is more than a religion, but also a Political Project.
Buchanan: Compare Rudy to a Fascist/Nazi is OK
Comparing Islamist/Jihadist to Fascist is BAD
morally blind
jp on January 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM
@ bnelson44 on January 16, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Yes. Lets say that Paul wrote ALL the letters, and meant all of them, which we all know isnt true, but lets assume that. I would STILL take him over Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani, Hunter, and McCain. Of course I would love to see Fred! take over the lead, be we all know that isnt going to happen. I would STILL take Paul over all of the other candidates save for Fred! because RP has a track record a mile long in the congress, voting conservative on every issue imaginable. I trust him to do what is best for the country. I cant say that about any other candidate other than Fred!.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:02 PM
I would take any of the others, even Huckabee, over Paul. What’s written in those newsletters shows an appalling lack of character on Paul’s part. I prefer keeping men like that away from the White House.
Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM
I don’t think Reason necessarily needs a candidate to support.
Most of the policy wonkery is handled by The Reason Foundation, which isn’t so much a PAC as a think thank. I’m sure the magazine’s staffers can content themselves with penning essays about the glorious Hayekian revolution we’ll experience once we import the other half of the Mexican population and publishing editorial cartoons lampooning Amtrak.
I don’t see why anyone would care what the dead-enders at LR do, to be honest.
Gerard on January 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM
@ amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I dont think he is, but even if he was, YES, I would take batshit crazy racist over Gun grabbing, amnesty having, Jesus nation forming, Universal healthcare demanding, affirmative action supporting, prayer in school advoacating, abortion loving other republicans.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM
@ Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM
I prefer keeping people away from the whitehouse that want to amend the constitution to create a state religion, personally. And I like peoples policies over their character anyday.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Didn’t Cindy Shaheen have a brief fling with Lew, then he dumped her? Seems like I rememeber that morsel from somewhere.
a capella on January 16, 2008 at 1:10 PM
There’s something in between a bat sh*t conspiracy theory racist and a “Jesus nation forming” candidate.
amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Then we disagree. Bad character = bad leadership.
Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Duke/Black 08! Because they’ve got some damn good economic policies!
/
amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM
@ amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Not in THIS election there isnt. Except for Fred of course, but since he seems about as motivated as a sloth to win this election, he will be out soon.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM
@ Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Bad Policies = Bad leadership.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM
@ Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Following YOUR definitin, Obama is THE candidate, he is NOTHINGBUT character.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM
@ amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Haha, they might have a chance if they ran against the kind of “republicans” that are running this time around.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Another racist story about RP. Hmmmmmmm. Hope its not trying to deflect the embarassment of Fred and 9ui11ioni last night. RP won’t win the GOP. He won’t drop out over this either. Is he personally a racist, don’t think so. Is he guity on not ratting someone out, yes.
menoname on January 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM
They’d get creamed, and the media would have a field day. Not funny at all.
Just like Ron Paul would in the general.
amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Out of the 28 posts on the front page, 1 is dedicated to Ron Paul.
amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Not really, since leadership is a result of character, separate from personal ideology. Ron Paul has shown a lack of character in who he chooses to associate with and with his dissembling over these newsletters.
Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 1:19 PM
@ amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Possibly. But do you think the media will have any less of a field day with Huckabee??? He is THE BIGGEST embarrassment the party could possibly throw out there, he is batshit insane, wants to change this country 100% and will be completely LAUGHED at in the general. And then there is Romney, with his universal health care and hatred of guns, not gonna gain traction with conservatives like me. Then Giuliani, which Reagan HIMSELF called “crazy”. Then McCain, which would be such a gigantic disaster, and would get RAPED in the general. I can see EVERY democratic ad playing that “Iraq for 100 years” clip over and over and over. Finished.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:20 PM
How would disclosing the name(s) of the person(s) who wrote a widely-distributed newsletter be “ratting” them out?
Gerard on January 16, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Huckabee vs. Paul. The correct answer is stay home.
Bill C on January 16, 2008 at 1:21 PM
God, I hope some reporter questions Saint Cindy about her boyfriend’s “colorful” writings. Ten to one she manages to work “Bush”, “Hitler” and “Oil” into her incoherant response.
BuzzCrutcher on January 16, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Less than Duke and Black? Yes. Less than Paul? No. But I oppose Huckabee, too.
I’m hardly a McCain man, but he was the only one who was undefeated in a recent CNN matchup poll with Clinton and Obama.
amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM
@ Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Again, I would rather have a candidate with a “lack of character” than a candidate with very liberal ideas trying to get the republican nomination.
Giuliani – Gun grabber, gay lover, abortion addict
Huckabee – Jesus freak, amnesty adorer, criminal lover
Romney – Gun grabber, universal health care nazi
McCain – Iraq war addict, Amnesty adorer, basic fool
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Classy.
Well, this has been fun, but I’m out of pearls.
Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 1:24 PM
@ Slublog on January 16, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Did I lie somewhere?
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:27 PM
@ amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Let the ads play where he says a thousand times that we will be in Iraq for another hundred years if it was up to him. He will tank so quickly.
muyoso on January 16, 2008 at 1:28 PM
I’m a Paul fan, but you have to admit muyoso, the newsletters will hurt Paul’s campaign regardless of his actual beliefs or intentions. What would be worse is if this story were to hurt the entire libertarian movement. I’m willing to sacrifice my support for Paul in order to keep the interest in libertarianism alive.
What’s more important than Ron Paul is the idea of freedom through strict constitutional law, limited government, and sound monetary policy. The actual candidate is expendable if need be.
BlackCapitalist on January 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM
The video has already done its rounds, at least online. John isn’t an idiot, as much as I dislike many of his policies. He knows how to play the media, knows when to bring up his Hanoi Hilton, and reminds people of his push for the successful surge.
amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:35 PM
So, do you stay home in the election then?
offroadaz on January 16, 2008 at 1:37 PM
And with that, I leave for the Luntz thread.
amerpundit on January 16, 2008 at 1:37 PM
This is just a shame. The loudest voices pointing out the weakness of our monetary system because of years of easy credit are the most despicable demagogues.
No lies. Just a strange way at looking at the world. Forgetting about the lack of civility which is present in that comment, don’t you think that demonizing people with whom you have political disagreements is a little over the top? People who believe in the divinity of Jesus are freaks?
Besides, your comment invokes Godwin’s law so you can’t really expect to get anyone to discuss this with you.
Bill C on January 16, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Paul will be lucky to be a congressman this time next year
William Amos on January 16, 2008 at 1:43 PM
No, I still voted for Paul in my primary. But as far as active support, I am done. Unless Fred Thompson gets the nomination, I am staying home on the general election day.
BlackCapitalist on January 16, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Paul will be lucky to be a congressman this time next year
William Amos on January 16, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Bob Dornan syndrome.
Gerard on January 16, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Why do you like fred? He seems rather anti paul in alot of his views
offroadaz on January 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Fred at the very least understands the concept of federalism. All of the other candidates, save Paul, seem to think that more federal government is the solution to everything.
BlackCapitalist on January 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Reason has a new post up, full of outright lies and spin to their readers about the content of the newsletters, amazing. They must figure nobody is actually reading what was on the documents. They also omit the worst thing, the Solicitation Letter on “Congressman Ron Paul” letterhead and his signature. Full of racism and Conspiracy theories.
jp on January 16, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Reason is part of the smear campaign against Ron Paul:
http://formerbeltwaywonk.wordpress.com/2008/01/15/the-orange-line-anatomy-of-a-smear-campaign/
NAACP Director Comes To Ron Paul’s Defense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvFLSwDvBUA
We’ll see how much money Ron Paul supporters raise on Martin Luther King birthday: http://www.freeatlast2008.com/
He’s in this till the end an no smear campaign will stop him. And by the “end,” you’ll be happy to know I mean November, most likely as a 3rd party candidate.
The “New” Republican party needs to regroup, rethink, reorganize with the “Old” Republican party platform that Ron Paul stands for if they honestly think they have a chance moving forward.
How did November 2006 work out for you? Not so good…. What has changed in your message/platform since then? Nothing.
Wake up or follow the sheep over the cliff to defeat in November!
Ron Paul finishing 4th in Michigan, beating Fred and Rudy should tell you that these smear attempts aren’t working. “The message” that Ron Paul stands for is.
I wonder if Faux news will invite Fred and Rudy to the next debate??? Would be nice to get rid of the dead weight!
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Hear, Hear!
And I’ll be putting my energy and checkbook into that endeavor.
Texas Gal on January 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Stormfront needs to get better friends and watch out for identity theft. Even if Rockwall wrote most of it, Stormfront still had his name on it. Oh, and the anti-semitism? All Stormfront’s.
BKennedy on January 16, 2008 at 2:31 PM
How is a fourth place finish-in a state where your two (perceived) chief antagonists did not actively campaign, and where most of the people who voted for you WERE NOT Republicans-an accomplishment?
Gerard on January 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM
This, while admittedly a bit vicious, is nonetheless accurate. How else would you succinctly and negatively portray Huck’s desire to remold the Constitution in favor of his own religion? And how else would you describe John McCain succinctly? The man probably singlehandedly destroyed the Republican Party with McCain-Feingold, Shamnesty, Gang of 14, and his torture bill. Not to mention that he’s one of FEW Republicans who opposed tax cuts.
I will acknowledge that Ron Paul’s campaign will be hurt by this story. However, I have yet to see one of you acknowledge the 1500 pound gorilla in the room:
The big four candidates are liberals. Period. And Fred is less popular than Ron Paul with Americans. (I know this sticks in your craw, but tough crap, deal with it and learn from it.) So who will you vote for, and why? And why should you be surprised when so many people will sit out the general?
Face it, if Hillary or Obama wins, we get a socialist. If any of the Big Four wins, we get a liberal. Even if “we” win, we lose.
Are there no electable conservatives left?
fossten on January 16, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Romney – 443,139 Total Votes – 36.89%
McCain – 361,546 Total Votes – 30.10%
Huckabee – 207,308 Total Votes – 17.26%
Paul – 84,554 Total Votes – 7.04%
Giuliani – 50,925 Total Votes – 4.24%
Thompson – 49,198 Total Votes – 4.10%
Hunter – 4,567 Total Votes – 0.38%
Any questions?
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 2:40 PM
the above was: combined vote totals for IA, NH, and MI
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 2:41 PM
No, son, it’s a development in the existing story. And it’s not going away. Stock up on Kleenex.
Jim Treacher on January 16, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Fourth in Michigan.
Whoop-de-damn-doo.
The spread between 3rd and 4th place is 85,265 votes, or ten basis points of the total votes. To put this number in perspective, Paul got 54,434 votes. Huckabee got 139,699, or more than one and a half times as many as Paul.
The spread between 4th and 5th place is 22,299 votes, or 2 basis points of the total. And that’s against two guys who didn’t even campaign in the state.
85% of all votes cast were for the top three finishers. With a spread like that, fourth place is meaningless, particularly when 4-8 are all within two basis points of each other.
JohnTant on January 16, 2008 at 2:45 PM
I had a crazy dream about him the other night – I posted it in another thread after the fact, although FedUp saw it. I think my dream was correct about the company Ron Paul seems to be keeping. They’re blood-suckers and no kosher for America.
Good God, I had the sickest dream last night and Ron Paul was in it. I dreamt that I attending this polictical fundraiser here in NY, in somebody’s beautiful Manhattan Townhouse – whose – you got me, I have no idea, but instead of the fundraiser being for Rudy, it was for Ron Paul, of all people. Which is already crazy as my parents are still all for Rudy and think Ron Paul is beyond meshugena.
Anyway it was a very garrish townhouse with a huge private dining room with a full formal sit-down dinner and the star attraction at this political fundraiser – besides – Ron paul was a vampire – a male vampire with a French name. And all the Ron Paul groupies were going crazy for and about this rich French vampire that the dinner was also for. Ron Paul stood up and toasted him, he toasted Ron Paul and the Paul-followers went wild with glasses raised cheering.
The host – who I have no idea who it even was, no one I have ever seen in my life – seated me at dinner 2 seats down from the vampire and my father didn’t like it, he made me move, and we got up and left. Talk about wild, I have no idea where this dream came from, it was so real. The vampire had the white vainly face like Brad Pitt had in Interview, and the blue eyes, the long fingernails.
This morning I told my parents and they told me I was reading too many blogs and need a vacation from politics.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM
The only line in your post that makes one bit of sense is the last one.
fossten on January 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM
So are the Jews, the Illuminati, and the Jesuits.
Their February issue has RON PAUL’S GIANT FACE ON THE FRONT COVER!
Well, to be more precise, Paul never left the Paleolibertarians. He’s still a lecturer at the Ludwig Von Mises Institute. They still print his books. He’s still closely associated with Lew Rockwell. Reason grabbed him and went with the rEVOLution claiming him as their own. Cato for the most part ignored him, because they knew about his ties.
The Paleolibertarians realized that spewing racist rhetoric wasn’t going to help them anymore. I don’t even know if Lew Rockwell is a racist. Rothbard was a political opportunist, and a bad one at that. Before he embraced the extreme right he embraced the New Left during Vietnam. The people who are Paleo’s now used to be hippies.
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Interesting analysis (sarc). So Ron Paul’s 4th place finish doesn’t mean anything because his trailing margin is too high, but Rudy and Fred’s 5th and 6th place finishes don’t mean anything either because they didn’t campaign in the state.
Your spin gets a B for effort but an F- for effectiveness.
fossten on January 16, 2008 at 2:55 PM
A dream is a dream – what can I tell you…
AprilOrit on January 16, 2008 at 2:56 PM
All outside forces commenting on his campaign would be mute if he hadn’t written or authorized those newsletters. Timing might be inconvenient, save for maximum effect perhaps, but the onus goes back to the production of the newsletters. That is unspinable.
Spirit of 1776 on January 16, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Not according to the polls. The polls show Fred at double Ron Paul. Nationally.
Don’t act like Iowa, New Hampshire, and Michigan constitute America.
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 2:59 PM
I’m not the guy trying to spin a fourth place finish into relevancy when the spread between third and fourth is over 150% of the individual vote and 10% of the total vote. Plus, I’ve never claimed that 5th and 6th place were positive, so your attempt at a hypocrisy gotcha has also failed.
I’d grade you for your attempt at a rebuttal, but unfortunately I doubt you’d pass the entrance exam into the class to begin with and course auditors aren’t graded.
JohnTant on January 16, 2008 at 2:59 PM
You mean the New Left as in where David Horowitz comes from?
AprilOrit on January 16, 2008 at 3:00 PM
I mean the New Left as in what the Neoconservatives left the Democratic party over.
You know, the counterculture.
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 3:02 PM
So are the Jews, the Illuminati, and the Jesuits.
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Figures you’d try and slant things this way:
However…a little enlightenment is needed:
http://www.jews4ronpaul.org/
http://catholicsforronpaul.blogspot.com/
Illuminati? rediculous assertation – prove it
CFR? sure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5CZvD3-QM
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Lew F-ing Rockwell….
geeeeeeeez….
Drunk Report on January 16, 2008 at 3:04 PM
So a few Jews support Ron Paul, therefore my JOKE is invalid. Some Catholics support Ron Paul (in fact, my local parish Priest is a Ron Paul supporter) so therefore my JOKE is invalid.
… Then you randomly defend a CFR conspiracy theory.
I, don’t know what to say.
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Neo-Nazi’s for Ron Paul: stormfront.org
or one workign with his Michigan Campaign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TRBb_zBgZM
/enlightenment
jp on January 16, 2008 at 3:08 PM
How is CFR a conspiracy? http://www.cfr.org/
I receive their email everyday.
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM
the supporters of Ron Paul are irrelevant. Are they not entitled by the Constitution’s 1st amendment to support and campaign for whom they want? maybe we should changed the constitution and only allow those with the name of “jp” to support or campaign for a candidate.
It is the message of Ron Paul that matters, not his supporters. Give it up.
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Trilateral Commission exists too. So does the Bohemian Grove and the Bilderburg Group.
Doesn’t mean they are all part of some grand scheme to rule the world or erode our sovereignty.
To my knowledge, the CFR doesn’t require that everyone believe the same thing. It’s a group of people that discuss foreign policy issues.
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 3:15 PM
You certainly don’t.
Jim Treacher on January 16, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Keljeck, I will admit I’m not an expert on the CFR, but I have read enough to know there is something happening that is beyond most people’s comprehension.
I have a good friend, Doug Gnazzo, who has written much about the CFR and has a forthcoming book on the NWO. He mentions the roots of the CFR in this piece below (which by the way, includes some of the same names that were involved in the beginnings of the Federal Reserve).
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/gnazzo/2006/nworder/1214.html
Some call it conspiracy, others call it good research. Either way, Doug Gnazzo has a website called http://www.honestmoneyreport.com if you’d ever like to come over and discuss.
Another place for good information is from former CFR member, Carroll Quigley’s book, “Tragedy & Hope” A History of The World In Our Time.
Also; “None Dare Call It Conspiracy” by Gary Allen
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Why you taking it personal Jim?
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Probably because of my love of fiat money, or the blacks.
Jim Treacher on January 16, 2008 at 3:36 PM
And you wonder why we mock you.
NWO? Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, and Scott Hall?
Sorry to break it to you bud but I’m NWO 4 LIFE!
Because that’s just TOO SWEEEEEEEET!!!!
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Then why did you say “you” in the post? I take offense to this without any statements to back it up.
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM
That tape is a rally for the 2 white Christians that were murdered down in Tennessee – Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Michelle covered it – the MM ignored it and many on The Right covered their tragic story.
Too bad the racists & white supremeists jumped on board their cause because the mainstream media did not. This is what always happenes, this is why The Right has to be very careful – there is a fine line of demarcation with these people who feel the lack of coverage of the crime was unfair and those who believe a lily white country would cure all of our ills.
I think ChralesALindberg on youtube is probably the head of Stormfront – right?
AprilOrit on January 16, 2008 at 3:40 PM
I love it. Bidinotto is “wheat.” Why? Oh, because he’s pro-war. Pro-intervention. Anti free trade (he’s all for managed trade that calls itself free). Pro-pornography. Pro-abortion.
And you find Ron Paul to be dangerous.
Good one, Allah.
Drum on January 16, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Good-f*cking-grief. Do some research. The CFR has been at the head of every international development that has removed sovereignty from the United States, in favor of globalist, internationalism.
Drum on January 16, 2008 at 3:43 PM
And you wonder why we mock you.
NWO? Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, and Scott Hall?
Sorry to break it to you bud but I’m NWO 4 LIFE!
Because that’s just TOO SWEEEEEEEET!!!!
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Mock me? What did I say that would cause this? I said I’m no expert on this, but Doug Gnazzo is and I invited you to debate it with him. But I know you won’t because you don’t have a leg to stand on except trying to mock people.
I said there is some truth to this too. Try reading some of the books I gave you and open up your eyes to something other than a neocon’s point of view.
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Coincidence? Or Conspiracy?
The CFR is a group with a vast amount of intellectuals. For example, one of my professors last semester is a member. He’s dead set against Iraq, and believes that we have too forceful of a foreign policy. He’d rather we tone it down and free trade and all of that.
There are members for one thing in CFR, there are members for another. They are heading these things because it’s a large group. They probably head a lot of failed measures as well.
There’s no conspiracy.
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Correction –
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…in the minds of many on The Left and in the middle. They tend to lump everyone who was concerned about the absence of press coverage of these horrific murders with the Stormfront crowd.
AprilOrit on January 16, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Hey yo.
I’m not a neocon. And I don’t engage in conspiracy theories.
I’m mocking you because you are a Ron Paul supporter who just put on your tinfoil hat.
The preceding message has been paid for by the New World Order.
Keljeck on January 16, 2008 at 3:49 PM
This line of reasoning can be applied easily elsewhere.
“It is the message of _________ that matters, not his supporters.”
Insert anyone you like. Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, Hitler, and on and on and on…
eanax on January 16, 2008 at 3:55 PM
The general “you,” hon. I was agreeing with you that Ron Paul supporters don’t matter. Hope that helps.
Jim Treacher on January 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Hey yo,
I’m done conversing with you. There is no reasoning with someone who is still in collge and hasn’t lived.
And don’t forget to take some english grammar classes…
See you on the other side of a dollar collapse…and no, you don’t have a clue as to what a neocon is because you have been neoconned: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7632521363638501689
Fed Up on January 16, 2008 at 4:04 PM
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