Fred says the Bush admin “overlawyered” the DC gun case
posted at 2:30 pm on January 16, 2008 by Bryan
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It gets tough to blog about Fred. For the front page thumbnail do I choose a shot of red meat or a shot of Marblehead himself? Hard to lose either way, actually. And if I can find a messianic shot, well, I have to use that.
The Fred Thompson for President, South Carolina bus tour reached Spartanburg today, where the Law & Order TV star candidate fielded questions at Papa’s Breakfast Nook from Charlotte, N.C.’s WBT-AM radio talk show host Jeff Katz.
Asked his opinion of the Second Amendment and the Solicitor General’s request that the DC Circuit Court remand the appeal back to the trial court for “fact-finding”, the lawyer turned Senator from Tennessee said the Bush Administration was “overlawyering” and stated that he opposed remand and that the case should move forward to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Right on the money answer to a question that’s tailor-made and perfectly timed for the South Carolina primary. And a perfect way for Fred (and the other candidates, if they so choose) to distance themselves from the Bush administration without alienating conservatives or seeming to appease the left in any way.
It’s not the first time Fred has weighed on in Heller, so he can’t be accused of pandering. He’s saying what he actually believes.
The District argued, as many gun-control advocates do, that these words only guarantee a collective “right” to bear arms while serving the government. The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected this approach and instead adopted an “individual rights” view of the Second Amendment. The D.C. Circuit is far from alone. The Fifth Circuit and many leading legal scholars, including the self-acknowledged liberal Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, have also come to adopt such an individual rights view.
I’ve always understood the Second Amendment to mean what it says – it guarantees a citizen the right to “keep and bear” firearms, and that’s why I’ve been supportive of the National Rifle Association’s efforts to have the DC law overturned.
By the way, Rep. Eric Cantor has a petition up at Save the Second.
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That’s so wrong!
geckomon on January 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM
I thought I was a big defeatist. ;)
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Don’t wanna be right!
omnipotent on January 16, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Practice what you preach, lawyer.
Quit making me ashamed to laugh.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Dude, really. Don’t kid yourself. That was not even necessary.
geckomon on January 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM
So Fred! can be taken task for his “slow meandering” speaking style, but King Rudy is off-limits…………..go mother someone who gives a damn for your opinion.
omnipotent on January 16, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Ah, I don’t believe you for a second. Dude, you need to stop that because you almost caused me to piss my pants. Being that I was born in Long Beach, AND grew up in Long Beach, that statement is fantastically scary.
BTW~ you current location isn’t any better than San Fran even if it is SoCal!
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Do you understand the concept of LCD. I was not referring to the entire population, just the idiots that Fred was trying to appeal to with this nonsense about the 2nd. Did you see that Fox focus group after the SC debate? I was not talking about the cutie in the front row that couldn’t stand Fred, I was talkin’ about the less attractive and intelligent yokels making up the peanut gallery.
tommylotto on January 16, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Fred has just GOT to stay in until Super Tuesday!
I live in ill-ANNOYZ-and we finally get a primary that actually is early enough that our vote counts.
If Fred drops I honestly am lost as to who to vote for.
(Think the government’s too small?-then you’ll LOVE Illinois)
-unofficial new state slogan.
annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Tommy, Fred’s farts stink far less than the actual records in office of most of his opponents.
michaelo on January 16, 2008 at 4:03 PM
My only defense is that I caught a comment at one of your weak moments where the likes of csdevens, tommylotto, and BKennedy were none stop attacking you and you felt overwhelmed. Or maybe not. Actually Madi, I don’t have any real excuses but you did say you accepted my apology. You’re not an indian giver now that I’m complimenting you, are you?
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 4:04 PM
South Carolina: McCain Way Up; Huckabee in Second; Mitt Third; Fred Struggling; Rudy Dead [Byron York]
A new poll from South Carolina shows a remarkable rise in support for John McCain, but with many Republicans still not having firmly decided how they will vote.
The latest Palmetto Poll, conducted by Clemson University between January 9 and 15, shows McCain in the lead with 29 percent – up from 11 percent in a Palmetto Poll last November. Mike Huckabee is in second place with 22 percent – up from 13 percent last November. Mitt Romney is in third, with 13 percent – down from 17 percent in November. And despite his recent efforts, Fred Thompson is in fourth, with 10 percent – also down from November, when he had 15 percent support. Rudy Giuliani is in disastrous shape, down to three percent from nine percent in November and 18 percent (a virtual tie for the lead) last August.
Seventeen percent of those surveyed said they were still undecided. But when the Palmetto pollsters asked those who did support a candidate whether they were sure of their support or whether they might change their mind before the primary, 46 percent said they might change their mind.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjQ0ODA0M2MxY2VjYjk3OGQxM2NhYmVhODU3NmI5NTA=
bnelson44 on January 16, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Am I the only one who saw the irony in that response?
I repeat, same crap from elitist intellectual liberals who love to talk about the hicks and rednecks in red states. I live in Madison, Wisconsin, pal. I hear that tripe daily. Wisconsin State Journal should have you as an editor.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Nah. I just like keeping the flame alive in sharp people. Acuity plus passion equals great posts. ;)
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Fred on Cavuto @ 1:30p pst.
loaner on January 16, 2008 at 4:07 PM
If it makes you all feel better, I live in the People’s Commonwealth of Massachusetts. My entire STATE is screwed up.
BKennedy on January 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Sultry Beauty: Thanks for the welcome, but I’ve been here all along. Didn’t you see me? :)
Madison: Hehe..I’ll answer you on email. ;)
redneck hippie: stick around and keep repeating the wonderful truth, and you too can be proposed to. :)
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Sounds great, but, no.
Doesn’t quite cover the stinking travesty of our corrupt immigration Judicial system.
http://vdare.com/mann/051206_essay.htm
Did I say corruption? I meant heaping gobs of semi truckloads worth of seething, oozing, backdoor activist lawyer/Judge type of corruption.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1002.html
Any immigration enforcement proposal either has a program to peroxide boil out the festering infection that virtually allows even the worst of the worst to stay forever and bog down every attempt to deport anybody or its just so much fluff on a sidewalk princess.
Speakup on January 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM
And why is it again that we answer trolls like tommylotto and BKennedy, Mad?
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Using government funds to eradicate the firearms industry doesn’t count as an infringement of the right to keep and bear arms?
If you can’t buy them how do you keep them?
mad saint jack on January 16, 2008 at 4:09 PM
A conservative, pro-gun, federalist Republican defending the 2nd Amendment? Yeah, what complete and total nonsense.
Hollowpoint on January 16, 2008 at 4:10 PM
So ignorant of whom you are directing that statement to. Try not to make anymore ill-informed assumptions.
geckomon on January 16, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Eagle Pass, TX ORDERED to surrender land for border fence.
Check FNC
loaner on January 16, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Because they don’t give me enough to do at work, I finished my book to you on email, and Diablo II just isn’t as exciting.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Dude, he’s as much a Fredhead as I am. That joke, however, was out of line. Very out of line.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:12 PM
A Kennedy from MA? Who would have thunk it? Now I understand you entirely BK!
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Guess I’d better answer you, and give you something else to do again. OR just start insulting you here…Naughty boy.
ROFLMAO!
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Talk about editors. You used a convenient edit and an ellipses when quoting me to create a false impression. You deleted the part where I highly approved both of the appearance and way of thinking on at least one segment of the SC population, and I criticized another section based upon their appearance and their reasoning after being given ample opportunity to explain it on national TV. I saw a bunch of people from SC. I liked the looks and thoughts of some and didn’t like the looks and thoughts of others. Only your edit created the impression of geographical bigotry.
tommylotto on January 16, 2008 at 4:13 PM
B as in Bob, maybe?
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:15 PM
If it’d any consolation, should I run for office I basically plan on exploiting my last name as much as possible, hoping the electorate doesn’t realize I’m a conservative Kennedy.
We have a whole clan from Scotland and Ireland, you know.
It isn’t just Robby, Patty, and Uncle Ted.
BKennedy on January 16, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Nice penumbra ya got there.
Big S on January 16, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Actually Tickle, redneck speaks that truth. I got proposed to by Hollowpoint on a thread a while back. I think it might have something to do with opinionated, confident, conservative women. Just a guess.
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 4:16 PM
I didn’t edit. I removed filler. The points you made were still intact, like here:
Yes, you judged their thoughts as well. However, you judged their looks as well. Admitting this at all is disturbing and incredibly shallow.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:17 PM
It is definitely the truth. This is my third now. But then I hang with some REALLY great guys… eh, Mad, wccawa, Dorien and Rushbaby?
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Bring wccawa in here so he can see who she listed first.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Be nice, Mad. wccawa knows exactly where he stands.
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:21 PM
I agreed! I often opine to my liberal g/fs that it’s difficult to get all passionate when some of these SoCal guys open their pie-holes. Why can’t I get GQ guy with the mind of some of these guys. It’s devastating. One of my guy friends told me that I use HA for fourplay.
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 4:22 PM
The ONLY, and I mean only, problem with THESE guys is the distance. :)
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:23 PM
mmmmmm….virtual fourplay…..
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 4:25 PM
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:23 PM
In the words of El Rushbo fans: D.I.T.T.O.!!!
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 4:26 PM
…and where are you again? lol.
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Big S on January 16, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Article 1 – The Legislative Branch
Section 8 – Powers of Congress
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13
311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
mad saint jack on January 16, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Sorry Bryan! This is going downhill fast.
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 4:26 PM
The “lisp joke” was out of line?
If that’s what you mean, then y’all need some thicker skin.
omnipotent on January 16, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Just a click or two away.
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 4:29 PM
LOL, why am I getting blamed for that?
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 4:32 PM
This is not one of those chatrooms, people.
Bryan on January 16, 2008 at 4:33 PM
What all this tells me and should tell yawl is that most Republicans aren’t pure conservatives. The Republican party has not been strictly conservative for a long time which is the main reason for the growth of other parties like the Libertarians, Constitutionalists, etc.
Another consideration for the skewed Republican primary vote is that there are probably liberals who are voting Republican simply because they can’t stand any of the Democratic candidates.
docdave on January 16, 2008 at 4:33 PM
…but it could be…
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:34 PM
And it wouldn’t have gotten to that. No worries, Bryan.
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:35 PM
LoveFest: The Sequel
geckomon on January 16, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Jealousy does not become you, sir.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM
It’s nice to meet friends in FredThreads….but….I guess I won’t be spoofing anyone’s spelling of “fourplay” any more.
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Well, that and because you’re hot.
Sigh… first my proposal isn’t accepted, then I have to face the prospect of Fred not winning the nomination.
I guess I just have to continue searching for a way to go on living… somehow.
Hollowpoint on January 16, 2008 at 4:43 PM
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Well that’s good to know, because if what was said in this thread is rebuked when a comment like this is left to stand, there is something really, really wrong.
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Ahem: Lauding LoveFest: the Sequel
geckomon on January 16, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Wow..that was bad.
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Devil’s Advocate says it was on topic though.
Spirit of 1776 on January 16, 2008 at 4:55 PM
With all respect to HotAir, that’s tame compared to when the CSDeven bashing Jeri’s looks started.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Then love in a FredThread is on topic as well! WooHoo!
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 4:56 PM
That was a nasty thread, indeed. *sigh*
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Very true.
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Jeff Katz is the post-Rush guy on WBT. We’ve never really had a big station that carried Hannity here. He did the Cigars for Tancredo thing a few months ago. I’d imagine that Jeff isn’t happy with any of our candidates right now.
malan89 on January 16, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Heh…touche. Leave it you to RB to make it a positive. I would suggest that he might have some difficulty locking down social cons on that platform though:)
[and jummy's comment was, er, 'love' too]
Spirit of 1776 on January 16, 2008 at 5:03 PM
“I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy.” – John McCain
As stated at Newsmax.com: Friday, April 2, 2004
“McCain Praises ‘Fine’ Democrats, Blasts ‘Astray’ GOP and Bush” http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/2/115508.shtml
Fred needs to get this statement by McCain on as much media outlets as possible. How can a so called “conservative” say this. Republicans should flock from McCain and in a hurry.
azcop on January 16, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Genuinely touched by that, Spirit! You are hereby invited to join the lovefest. We could work on making you a FredHead, or at least bestow you with an Honorary designation!
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Gooble gobble, gooble gobble…one of us! lol.
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 5:13 PM
I’m loving these Fred! threads.
Dave Shay on January 16, 2008 at 5:14 PM
O you’re good.
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Again, you read that the way you wanted to read it because it fit your agenda at the time.
I still believe the woman is suffering from Bells palsy. Look it up.
csdeven on January 16, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Why do I miss all the fun ones?
steveegg on January 16, 2008 at 5:17 PM
And, I believe you’re bothered that I don’t find her attractive.
csdeven on January 16, 2008 at 5:17 PM
If juvenile is fun, then yeah you missed a fun one.
csdeven on January 16, 2008 at 5:19 PM
No, dude, and you know it. You tried to cover up your out-of-line comments by showing false concern, and pretty much everyone saw it. Hence:
There was a reason you took a vacation, dude. We all knew what it was.
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 5:19 PM
That’s not all you said on that thread. You didn’t just point out the symptoms of an ailment. CSDEVEN, I consider you a friend and am willing to let bygones be bygones. Please don’t defend that thread, because I don’t think anyone wants to embarrass you by quoting it.
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Even if she does suffer from Bell’s Palsy. It may be temporary and why would one want to involve the candidate’s family members into a conversation. She is not running for office. Would you ask the same questions of the others candidate’s spouses (Sen. Clinton’s aside since he was President)?
azcop on January 16, 2008 at 5:20 PM
I actually did LOL.
corrected: foreplay! Let’s not get too excited here.
Hollowpoint on January 16, 2008 at 4:43 PMNothing against you but I don’t think my boyfriend would appreciate the disloyalty. And see what I mean Madi? Look at what Hollowpoint says at the end of that comment. It’s the saying Fred! will lose ALREADY that makes me think you guys are defeatists.
I look at it like what Empress Theodora said during the Nika uprising in the Hypodrome:
“Whether or not a woman should give an example of courage to men, is neither here nor there. At a moment of desperate danger one must do what we can. I think that flight, even if it brings us to safety, is not in our interest. Every man born to see the light of day must die. But the one who has been emperor should become an exile I cannot bear. May I never be without the purple I wear, nor live to see the day when men do not call me “Your Majesty!” If you wish safety, my Lord, that is an easy matter. We are rich, and there is the sea, and yonder our ships. But consider whether if you reach safety you may not desire to exchange that safety for death. As for me, I like the old saying, that the purple is the noblest shroud.”
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 5:21 PM
They can be such fun!
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Everyone needed a cool down period. So why bring it up again? Seriously?
Spirit of 1776 on January 16, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Heh. Lets put that off till the general. Right now, I’d be like the guy at the party that’s the downer – everyone is like “Why did you invite him? He keeps muttering CFR” haha.
Spirit of 1776 on January 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM
“…there are probably liberals who are voting Republican simply because they can’t stand any of the Democratic candidates.
–docdave on January 16, 2008 at 4:33 PM
I called my Dem father in Kansas and he confirmed what I thought he would say. “I can’t decide who to vote for. Don’t like any of ‘em. Republicans? I might vote for McCain, but he doesn’t have any money.” This was before the Rudy implosion fueled the McCain bubble. I rest your case.
redneck hippie on January 16, 2008 at 5:26 PM
There’s no reason to avoid the party. We don’t require you have to agree with us. We require that you don’t insult us for our choices.
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM
As you wish, Spirit. Our antidote to being down at the party is usually, Ply That Man With Another Cup Of Punch!
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Judge for yourself.
If you still defend that, you’re still a creep.
Don’t know if I like Madi. Too close to Mahdi.
And Sultry, being a Fredhead doesn’t mean closing out reality. I want Fred to win the nomination. If he doesn’t, I’ll stay home this election, because I’m not voting for a liberal. However, by reasonable accounts, it’s not looking good. Anything could happen, and I’m looking forward to a big surprise, but the odds are challenging. Preparing for disappointment does not equate acknowledgement of defeat.
For perspective: I’m a Packer fan. I’m jazzed. I’m also prepared for the realities that the Giants could snipe us out of the Super Bowl, and even if we get there, the Patriots are juggernauts. Just because I’m ready for disappointment doesn’t mean I won’t be watching and cheering. ;)
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Wait I thought you WERE a girl? Why would we want you to find her attractive?
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 5:28 PM
I didn’t follow the thread to that point, but I don’t think she has BP. My mom has it, a very severe case of it, from 30+ years ago. Way before they know what they know now. BP causes a drooping of the facial muscles. While Jeri does have a bit of asymmetry to the side of her mouth, it pulls up, not down. When my mom got it, it was so bad that it looked like half her face was melted wax; she had to tape her eyelid shut, and still can’t drink properly. It’s not as noticeable now, but yeah, I don’t think Jeri has BP. Who knows and who cares? No one’s face is symmetrical 100%. If you split a photo of your face, left and right, and then flip a copy of each to make two whole faces that are symmetrical, they look like different people most of the time. You’d be shocked!
LickyLicky on January 16, 2008 at 5:30 PM
If you’re not joking… he’s a man.
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 5:31 PM
I think perhaps you have me confused with someone else. I can not recall a single insult I have laid at your doorstep.
Spirit of 1776 on January 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Lol. Been there, done that! Consider me the designated driver for this event :D
Spirit of 1776 on January 16, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Oh, you misunderstood me, Spirit. I wasn’t saying YOU had. I was saying that as a hypothetical. Sorry if you misunderstood me.
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 5:37 PM
I can attest to that, emphatically. You’re a class act.
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 5:38 PM
My mistake. Well, have no fear, I’m not going to insult you or the party members either way. As I’ve said a few times, I admire the optimism of the Fredhead. (Frankly, I think that is what propelled Mitt over McCain in Michigan). It is one of the best parts of the Reagan legacy.
Spirit of 1776 on January 16, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Oh my… I read that again and it does seem directed. Let me restate.
We (the nutballs of the fredfolk thread parties) don’t require, in new members, that you agree with us on the subject of Fred! We only require that new members have fun with us, without insulting us for supporting Fred!
Better?
tickleddragon on January 16, 2008 at 5:40 PM
You are too kind. I’ll have to go to a different thread and bait someone into calling me a traitor to balance it out :)
Spirit of 1776 on January 16, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Right you are, TD. It’s about getting along, in the spirit of optimism, fellowship, and a generous dose of teasing, free from the fighting and negativity that we look forward to in other threads here on HA!
RushBaby on January 16, 2008 at 5:48 PM
MadCon? Oh, a slight retreat to a question you asked me, my juice came out my nose when the unknown country singer started spraying that aerosol can. What a great singer. And anyone who gets me to laugh so hard to warrant juice coming out my nose will be a life-long friend, indeed.
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 5:49 PM
TRAITOR!
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Where’s your proof?
Sultry Beauty on January 16, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Yeah…I was going to make a comment about only a man being so stubborn in being wrong, but then I thought of Buy Danish.
Much better. This town will drive you mad. Will drive you CRAZY!!! *grabs table and holds it over head*
MadisonConservative on January 16, 2008 at 5:56 PM
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