Terrific: McCain vows not to drill in ANWR

posted at 6:59 pm on January 15, 2008 by Allahpundit

A last-minute Huckabeean pander to his (real) base? Nope. He means every word.

I confess, I was looking forward to the race being whittled down tonight so that I wouldn’t have to subject you to another three days of five-man what-if scenarios in South Carolina. But now that I find things aren’t trending Maverick’s way? I think I’m okay with it.


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upinak on January 15, 2008 at 8:02 PM

I know. Heard about it 2-3 years ago.

Can’t wait for it to become a campaign issue.

Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 8:16 PM

True. We could also start drilling off of our coasts and building more nuclear facilities. And can’t we start moving some of these people in the Northeast off of heating oil?

That would be one of the hundreds of steps. Get them onto natural gas and off oil. Save the oil for the cars. That could amount to an enormous savings of oil. Should they have to pay to convert? No — we’ll have to help them. It’s in our collective best interest. Ethanol is part of the solution — just not very much further than it has already developed. We make about 6 billion gallons each year. We’ll have that to about 12 in under two years — that’s going to help (and that’s way more than we have oil in ANWR,) but I’m really looking forward to cellulostic ethanol. At that point, we’ll be able to make about 36-40 billion gallons of ethanol each year. We use about 450 billion gallons of oil each year and it’s growing.

Wise Golden on January 15, 2008 at 8:16 PM

But Canada is different. They tar sands are a collective and interesting area. They actually have to “cook” the oil out of the rocks… interesting process I am researching. I could tell you more but I am not trying to bore you.

upinak on January 15, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Not boring to me — I find this stuff fascinating.

Wise Golden on January 15, 2008 at 8:20 PM

That concludes McCain with me.

Wade on January 15, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Sure would be nice to see all the comments on one page again. What happened did someone with a Commodore 64 complain?

Wade on January 15, 2008 at 8:24 PM

upinak on January 15, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Send me any links or topics you night have. I’ll gladly send you traffic when the subject comes up.

Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Sure would be nice to see all the comments on one page again.

Wade on January 15, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Ditto.

Kini on January 15, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Ditto.

Kini on January 15, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Nothing like reading a book backwards.

Wade on January 15, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Not boring to me — I find this stuff fascinating.

Wise Golden on January 15, 2008 at 8:20 PM

I can send you all kinds of interesting websites of producers, companies, industry and so on if you are interested. If you haven’t figured out what I do… I would hope you know by now.

Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Mc I doubt it will ever come up as a issue. Alaska has been doing this for over 20 yrs… the lower 49 have just begun to start relatively within the last 8 to 12 yrs. It is a EPA law and standard law and issuance. And honestly UIC’s are great but a complete WASTE of paperwork… since you have to hold and keep everything for me.

upinak on January 15, 2008 at 8:27 PM

mc and wise.. I will be back tonight. I will get you info you want.

… gotta run.

upinak on January 15, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Sure would be nice to see all the comments on one page again.
What happened did someone with a Commodore 64 complain?

Wade on January 15, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Don’t blame me.

The big “A” let the dogs Huck shills in the other day during the HotAir grand re-opening.

Broke the comments page threads. Multiple pages limits download size.

He has to pay for his I-phone bill somehow.

All hail to Allah.

Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Nothing like reading a book backwards.

Wade on January 15, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Get used to it infidels.

Sharia law is’a coming.

Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 8:32 PM

methenol huh. Still an achohol/gas base depending

upinak on January 15, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Better than moving to corn-base or sugar-base and driving up the cost of those commodities…

eanax on January 15, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Sharia law is’a coming.

Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 8:32 PM

أقرب مما تعتقدون

Kini on January 15, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Better than moving to corn-base or sugar-base and driving up the cost of those commodities…

eanax on January 15, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Eat lots of Garlic, beans and other bio-foods, for gas

Kini on January 15, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Okay, this is what it’s come to: Johnny, you’re a douchebag. Quit pretending to be a republican. Huckster is the travesty, not the example.

MadisonConservative on January 15, 2008 at 8:47 PM

upinak

I am very interested in your knowledge and would avidly read whatever thoughts you share on the subject.

RushBaby on January 15, 2008 at 8:54 PM

That would be one of the hundreds of steps. Get them onto natural gas and off oil. Save the oil for the cars. That could amount to an enormous savings of oil. Should they have to pay to convert? No — we’ll have to help them. It’s in our collective best interest.

Wise Golden on January 15, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Well, one of the problems with moving some of these folks in the Northeast to natural gas (according to a friend of mine who lives in New Hapshire) is the bedrock makes it almost near impossible to run the gas lines. Now, how much of this explanation is accurate, I don’t know. I have no reason to doubt what he told me. Therefore, these folks would need to be transferred to electric heat, which is way more costly than natural gas.

And, of course, there would have to be some sort of incentative/rebate to make the switch, etc.

Ethanol is part of the solution — just not very much further than it has already developed. We make about 6 billion gallons each year. We’ll have that to about 12 in under two years — that’s going to help (and that’s way more than we have oil in ANWR,) but I’m really looking forward to cellulostic ethanol. At that point, we’ll be able to make about 36-40 billion gallons of ethanol each year. We use about 450 billion gallons of oil each year and it’s growing.

Wise Golden on January 15, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Actually, I think METHANOL is a better solution for auto fuel than Ethanol. Ethanol drives up the cost of corn and/or sugar, obviously effecting the cost of foods that rely on those core ingredients.

eanax on January 15, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Eat lots of Garlic, beans and other bio-foods, for gas.

Kini on January 15, 2008 at 8:45 PM

FOOD EMBARGO ALERT:

All beans, legumes, garlic and other bio-food has been reserved for McCain/Huckabee.

Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM

RINO McCainine should just switch parties.

Zorro on January 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Seriously the guy is completely and utterly senile for real. Why anyone would want this nutbag as Commander in Chief is beyond my comprehension. Wish he’d get leave the party already. It’s embarrassing and shameful to the GOP.

Buttercup on January 15, 2008 at 9:39 PM

I just heard from a very reliable source McCain mentioned in a speech that he supports a government wage guarantee whereas if a worker loses his job and has to take a lower paying job the government would make up the difference. Somebody out there needs to start listening to this azzclown and spread his words for all to hear.

Griz on January 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Actually, I think METHANOL is a better solution for auto fuel than Ethanol. Ethanol drives up the cost of corn and/or sugar, obviously effecting the cost of foods that rely on those core ingredients.

eanax on January 15, 2008 at 8:59 PM

And methanol drives up the price of natural gas (which is another thing the liberals won’t let us drill for).

steveegg on January 15, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Actually, I think METHANOL is a better solution for auto fuel than Ethanol. Ethanol drives up the cost of corn and/or sugar, obviously effecting the cost of foods that rely on those core ingredients.

eanax on January 15, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Methanol is certainly welcome at the party. It’s made from wood and for some reason has not caught on to the same degree as ethanol. It might have to do with the cost of manufacture. Our energy needs are so great that all of these combined do not represent but a portion of the solution. Nuclear plants, plug electrics, hybrids, are all helpful as well. Plug electrics might have the greatest potential at the moment (for reducing oil use.) The development could really help Detroit if they take the lead in this technology, and thus far, they have with the Volt concept. Toyota will be on their heels with a plug prius. Ford may have a plug escape and a nice Volvo soon as well. There will be a great deal of automotive technology introduced over the next several years.

Wise Golden on January 15, 2008 at 10:17 PM

NO, NO, NO, on McCain.

Winebabe on January 15, 2008 at 10:19 PM

I’m increasingly of the opinion that it might not actually be a bad idea to keep the ANWR oil untapped for now. There may come a day when it’s needed as a fundamental supply source, not merely as something to be tapped for purposes of price mitigation.

By all means, though, start building the nukes. And none of this should be construed as my endorsing McCain…

Blacklake on January 15, 2008 at 11:41 PM

Blacklake on January 15, 2008 at 11:41 PM

That was cryptic. Unpack another day?

RushBaby on January 15, 2008 at 11:51 PM

And methanol drives up the price of natural gas (which is another thing the liberals won’t let us drill for).

steveegg on January 15, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Natural Gas is not the only source for methanol.

As pointed out in the book The Methanol Economy, “Methanol is commonly known as “wood alcohol” because it can be produced from wood; it can also be made from coal, natural gas (as noted), methane hydrates, any type of biomass, or urban waste.”

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/13/zubrin.htm

eanax on January 16, 2008 at 12:05 AM

Methanol is certainly welcome at the party. It’s made from wood and for some reason has not caught on to the same degree as ethanol. It might have to do with the cost of manufacture. Our energy needs are so great that all of these combined do not represent but a portion of the solution. Nuclear plants, plug electrics, hybrids, are all helpful as well. Plug electrics might have the greatest potential at the moment (for reducing oil use.) The development could really help Detroit if they take the lead in this technology, and thus far, they have with the Volt concept. Toyota will be on their heels with a plug prius. Ford may have a plug escape and a nice Volvo soon as well. There will be a great deal of automotive technology introduced over the next several years.

Wise Golden on January 15, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Unfortunately, battery-powered trucks aren’t going to be a viable solution. 18-wheelers and other delivery and work trucks need a different solution than what is proposed for passenger vehicles. It may be natural gas or methanol, but plug-in battery power is not going to work. These vechiles will need to refuel quickly and be on their way, and they will need to have the same level of power necessary to move the amount of products that are transported over-the-road on a daily basis.

eanax on January 16, 2008 at 12:14 AM

That was cryptic. Unpack another day?

RushBaby on January 15, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Well, this was always an underlying thought during the Cold War — save/conserve our oil for a “rainy day” and consume imported oil in the meantime.

eanax on January 16, 2008 at 12:21 AM

Cheers to McCain.

Wise enough to not take short-term gain over long-term environment destruction. Oil is a finite resource, why continue to destroy the environment by using it and extracting it when we should be conserving energy and using renewable energy instead?

McCain and Newt have the courage to challenge close-minded anti-conservation/environment/… conservatives for the greater good.

greenLibertarian on January 16, 2008 at 12:22 AM

McCain is just the gift that keeps on giving… kind of like herpes.

D2Boston on January 16, 2008 at 12:52 AM

McCain is more hemorrhoids than herpes

Captain America on January 16, 2008 at 1:59 AM

Methanol is extremely poisonous. As little as 2 TABLEspoonfuls can be deadly to a child, and 2 to 8 oz. can be deadly to an adult.” Anyhow, methanol could take us down the same road as the ethanol subsidy scam.

Ethanol wastes energy, fertilizer, and water. Shame on Bush for supporting that scam. It’s hard to beat the concentrated energy of gasoline, along with it’s ease of storage. Maybe that ethanol in Iowa was diverted into some good hooch. That’d explain the vote.

Nuclear is a source and breeder reactors can generate new fuel from useless U-238. They can burn excess plutonium also. The nuclear folks say to recycle the fuel and re-burn the heavy elements, leaving light fission products that need storage for a few hundred years only.

Natural gas, hydro, and coal are sources. Gas is made expensive by burning it to make electricity. Oil is a source and may not come from dinosaurs at all.

We can’t look and we can’t build because the loons don’t want energy. They want to control our thermostats — and us. McCain’s record sucks.

The candidates are creeps and the electorate thinks it can vote energy out of thin air. Maybe it’s just the winter dark talking. :-\

Feedie on January 16, 2008 at 2:46 AM

The first candidate to say that, if elected, they would tell congress to take a hike and enact an executive order to begin drilling domestically and increase our refining capacity, would win in a land slide.

We can no longer afford to quibble over these asinine environmental issues; and forget all of this “alternative energy” crap, by the way, it will never happen.

The world’s economy runs on oil, every sector of our national economy depends on it, and would collapse without it.

Energy production in this country is no longer about anything other than national security and survival.

labrat on January 16, 2008 at 4:49 AM

Griz on January 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Yep, it’s a fact.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1944627/posts

LegendHasIt on January 16, 2008 at 4:59 AM

Save the oil for the cars. That could amount to an enormous savings of oil.
Wise Golden

Gasoline is not the only by-product of crude oil folks.

labrat on January 16, 2008 at 5:18 AM

I have been to ANWR and to Prudhoe Bay. If McCain has and he still doesn’t want to drill these mudholes, then he is clearly pandering to the left. The left always shows pictures of beautiful mountains when it talks about ANWR. ANWR is the size of South Carolina. The part that we need to develop is only 18 miles of frozen, flat coastline. Most Americans will never see this remote place, yet a few liberal groups prevent us from harvesting its resources and a Senator like McCain agrees with them. I was “no” on McCain for immigration. Now I’m really no on McCain. Other than Iraq he might as well be a Dem. Vote for Rudy. I plan to.

fleiter on January 16, 2008 at 7:46 AM

greenLibertarian on January 16, 2008 at 12:22 AM

Seeing the world you live in as nothing close to reality, how about using dark energy. More of it and better than green.

Wade on January 16, 2008 at 8:34 AM

I’m surprised McCain did as well as he did in Michigan. I’d like to nominate him for the 2008 Idiotarod Idiot of the Year Award.

Numenorean on January 16, 2008 at 9:57 AM

fleiter on January 16, 2008 at 7:46 AM

Wow you don’t say, dinosaurs huh. **snickers**

fleiter on January 16, 2008 at 7:46 AM

Being that I live here in the Last Frontier and have been all over the North Slope of Alaska from Alpine to Endicott and into ANWR in the village of Kaktovik, you are actually wrong on the 18 miles. It actually is only a 5 square mile area which is around Kaktovik area. And ANWR isn’t the size of South Carolina… think more like Montana.

upinak on January 16, 2008 at 10:53 AM

fleiter on January 16, 2008 at 7:46 AM

BTW Rudy won’t back ANWR. He said something of the equivilant, it would be like drilling a hole in the head of the Statue of Liberty.

upinak on January 16, 2008 at 10:55 AM

I wonder what these so-called conservatives like McCain, who seem to be beholden to the enviro-cooks, will be saying when the price of gas hits $4 or even $5/gal.

These rising energy prices are beginning to seriously impact the economy. Inflation is running really high (been grocery shopping lately?)

The only way to get the price down soon is through increasing the current supply. There is plenty of oil out there. The only thing lacking is the will to go get it.

Alternative fuels are, for the moment, a pipe dream.

Dave R. on January 16, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Let’s promise to drill on his nutshell head if McPain doesn’t switch parties–pronto.

Christine on January 16, 2008 at 11:50 AM

These rising energy prices are beginning to seriously impact the economy. Inflation is running really high (been grocery shopping lately?)
You are correct sir.

Christine on January 16, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Mccain doesn’t want America to become energy independent….it might upset his saudi friends masters

HaraldHardrada on January 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM

“Methanol is extremely poisonous. As little as 2 TABLEspoonfuls can be deadly to a child, and 2 to 8 oz. can be deadly to an adult.”

Gasoline and oil are poisionous too. Your point is moot.

“Anyhow, methanol could take us down the same road as the ethanol subsidy scam.

In your opinion. Methanol is a far better alternative to fuel vehicles than Ethanol because it can be produced from so many sources, and it would be much cheaper to purchase than gasoline currently is. In addtion, the infrastructure changes to accomodate a move to methanol would be minimal.

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/13/zubrin.htm

Ethanol wastes energy, fertilizer, and water. Shame on Bush for supporting that scam. It’s hard to beat the concentrated energy of gasoline, along with it’s ease of storage. Maybe that ethanol in Iowa was diverted into some good hooch. That’d explain the vote.

Did you read anything that I posted? Ethanol is a non-starter because first and foremost it drives up the cost of two very key commodities — corn and sugar. Second, it’s not a good alternative because, as you noted, it wastes a lot of energy during production.

The ethanol push is coming from the corn-growing states and ADM.

Natural gas, hydro, and coal are sources. Gas is made expensive by burning it to make electricity. Oil is a source and may not come from dinosaurs at all.

Who the heck is burning gas for electricity? Our primary sources for major power are three: Hydro, Coal and Nuclear. We are at our limit (physical locations) right now on Hydro, and Coal and Nuclear have so many detractors initiating legal roadblocks it’s hard to make any headway.

We can’t look and we can’t build because the loons don’t want energy. They want to control our thermostats — and us. McCain’s record sucks.

Feedie on January 16, 2008 at 2:46 AM

Exactly. We agree.

eanax on January 16, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Mccain doesn’t want America to become energy independent….it might upset his saudi friends masters

HaraldHardrada on January 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Exactly, none of them do. Our energy policy today is the equivalent of buying steel from Nazi Germany in the early ’40′s. We are indeed funding our own demise.

A good read on the subject.

labrat on January 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Another mental midget on the campaign trail. Of course, if we would drill we’d have no dependence on foreign oil. But we can’t have that…

stacman on January 16, 2008 at 6:15 PM

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