Open thread: Michigan results; Update: Fox News, CNN call it for Mitt; Update: 69% of black Dems vote “uncommitted”; Update: Mitt beats Huck among evangelicals?
posted at 8:20 pm on January 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Looks like the nets are waiting until the very last Michigan poll closes in 40 minutes to call it but it’s clearly Mitt’s night. And Fred’s too: Compare and contrast.
If Romney wins, it guarantees that four of the big five will be alive and kicking in Florida two weeks from now. Fred will likely be the first one culled on Saturday; if Huckabee grossly disappoints in South Carolina he may go the same way, but McCain’s (likely) defeat tonight will give him a nice boost.
Are you as bored with this as I am? If so, there’s a Democratic debate airing on MSNBC at 9 p.m. And contrary to reports this morning, no, Dennis Kucinich will not be participating.
Update: Here’s CNN’s results page. Politico’s carrying the AP results, too.
Update: 9 p.m., polls are closed. Mitt wins, says Brit. CNN concurs. For once I think Hewitt’s spin is sound. If McCain can’t win in an open primary with no Democratic contest to draw away independents, how’s he going to win anywhere else?
Now we wait for the emotional Hugh/Mitt reunion at Romney HQ.
Update: It’s safe to say that Hillary’s lost the black vote. Not just in Michigan, either.
Update: Mitt’s pushing the “change” line in his victory speech now. Tedious.
Update: Don’t look now, but if this trend holds up it’ll be the second consecutive primary where Huckabee hasn’t done any better with evangelicals than his opponents. He’d better turn that around fast in SC or he’s finished.
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Agreed: Romney’s not a lefty, abortion-loving, inexperienced, vacuous socialist.
Rather: a lefty, gun-grabbing, mendacious, vacuous socialist.
The “near zero chance” that Romney’s a socialist spits the bit over his record on taxes and healthcare. Anybody claiming he would govern as a conservative is either lying to themselves or has been smoking the funnies page.
Centerfire on January 15, 2008 at 9:29 PM
:)
Spirit of 1776 on January 15, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Geraghty:
UPDATE: My initial impression: This is the momentumless primary. Huckabee had a really nice win in Iowa… and then performed in New Hampshire about where he was before he won. McCain won New Hampshire, and appears set to do an okay second place, obviously not where he wanted to finish. Romney might get a burst out of this, but then again, he might not.
The rumor in the Fox News green room today was that Romney will skip South Carolina and go straight to Florida. The thinking is, every candidate has gotten something of a bye week, skipping a state that doesn’t seem to fit their strengths well, and Romney might be better off jumping straight to Florida, a state where he’s just a little off the lead, rather than getting in between a Huckabee-McCain-Thompson deathmatch. (How much could he help himself with five days of campaigning, anyway?)
My Romney guy said he hadn’t heard that – not that it wasn’t true, but that it just hadn’t reached his ears yet.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzFlN2Y3OWUzOGFiZTFiY2VmNmY4NTUwOTc1OGQwODI=
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:29 PM
As I said, the doofuses…
(”What this country rilly needs is a preacher-president…”)
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Please understand Mitt’s healthcare plan before you diss it. Personal responsibility is a main focal point. Last time I checked that was a conservative value.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:31 PM
I agree with Geraghty excpet there aren’t 5 days of campaigning left before SC. There are 3.
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Anybody else playing the Change game?
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Don’t mean to whine, but could people put the actual quotation in the quotation-box? I hate having to scroll up to see what Dude X said, which Dude Y is then responding to…
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM
ok
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Thought Mitt already said he’s going to SC tomorrow.
CK MacLeod on January 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Glad to see my people giving Hillary the boot. Now when I go to my Aunt’s house she will have a picture of Jesus, MLK, JFK, and Obama(replaces Bill Clinton) on the mantelpiece.
BlackCapitalist on January 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
I lived in Massachusetts during Romney’s tenure as governor. I know exactly what he believes in. His record makes it clear: he believes in gun control, raising taxes, and socialized medicine. And he believes in lying about these things, in an attempt to hoodwink dumb GOP primary voters into aiding his endless quest for self-aggrandizement.
Centerfire on January 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM
This whole thing is like the Special Olympics. Everybody gets a ribbon.
Jim Treacher on January 15, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Snarky!
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Slublog, you crafty old Mitten you.
McCain’s done. Huckster should be done, if all is right in the world.
My favorite ticket is Thompson/Hunter, but I’d be happy with Thompson/Romney or Thompson/Guiliani. I could vote for Guiliani/Thompson. I would vote for Romney/Thompson, but I don’t see that ticket happening, and I think it would lose.
I’m predicting Jeb Bush for Romney’s running mate if he is the nominee.
funky chicken on January 15, 2008 at 9:34 PM
I think he has got TV spots back up there too. I wouldn’t expect anymore than a close third though. The folks (or as Tzetzes says doofuses) in SC don’t go for a fiscal conservative message. And remember Mitt, YOU have the accent.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:35 PM
You are a whiny little thing, aren’t you?
Basically, I said; “YEAGGGGGGHHHHHHH!”
wccawa on January 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM
More of the Huckster acting like an adolescent boy. He just can’t pull off this stuff, IMO.
hoosiermama on January 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Isn’t Jeb a shamnesty softie?
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:36 PM
No more Bush
atxcowgirl on January 15, 2008 at 9:37 PM
My ideal ticket would be any combination of Fred/Mitt, but I would also like a Mitt/DeMint ticket. Or a Fred and/or Mitt/Sanford ticket.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:37 PM
OMG ! The Messiah is going to stop climate change!!! Oh Geez! Someone out there (Rush) PLEASE pickup on this.
HAHAHAHHAHAAA!
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Is that you, Howard?
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:37 PM
I hear ya.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM
This post rules!
wccawa on January 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Ummm
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM
And yet you managed to! /kidding
I suggest opening a second tab.
Spirit of 1776 on January 15, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Heh. Romney’s my second choice. Thompson is actually my first – he’s the only one I’ve supported with a donation thus far.
Plus, I was in on the conference call and talked to teh Fred!. Take that, suckas! :-)
(Okay, I only said “thank you, senator” to him…but that counts as talking to him, sorta.)
Slublog on January 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM
You made my night!
Chimp 6 on January 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM
And Fred’s coffers have gotten a boost tonight since this MI stuff has played out. We have a horserace…Thank God.
Give—>FRED!
hoosiermama on January 15, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Romney/Fred ‘08!
HYTEAndy on January 15, 2008 at 9:42 PM
LEAVE CENTERFIRE ALONE!!!
Bwahahahaha!!!
csdeven on January 15, 2008 at 9:42 PM
His healthcare plan provides for private insurance for healthcare isn’t socialism. He did not raise taxes during his tenure in Ma. and while he certainly is more liberal than a Reagan or Goldwater republican, he is far right of McAmensty, Huckster, and any republican govenor Ma. ever had. Any republican is better than Obama, and a conservative like Romney is far better than a liberal republican. True he aint a Reagan conservative, but I will say this as nice as I can, there isn’t a Reagan conservative in the race right now, with the organization, the funds, or the charisnma to drive a winning presidential campaign, and the race to date has shown this true.
paulsur on January 15, 2008 at 9:43 PM
He’s a human being…
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:43 PM
And what has Juanita Strawberries McVain shown on nation defense?
No drilling in ANWAR, keeping us dependent on muslims for oil?
Oh I know, because he thinks that the surge is the holy grail and wants to keep us nation building in Iraq for the next
fiftyhundred years by which time we will all have to habla espanol to get a job on a plantation.MB4 on January 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM
More reason I hope hillary wins the nomination. Suppress turnout of her base. Yay!
lorien1973 on January 15, 2008 at 9:45 PM
I think that centerfire has had a cook off.
MB4 on January 15, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Hmmm… got the Dem debate on… oi… Obama promising massive regulation of financial markets…
Depression 2 Here We Come!
CK MacLeod on January 15, 2008 at 9:46 PM
We will have to hablar español. Get your infinitives right, gringo!
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Its not Muslims we should be worried about, it’s radical faux Muslims who use their religion as an excuse for violence. Real Muslims denounce terror.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM
MB4 has a good point on Romney’s national defense creds vs McCains…
I’d like to see McCain as sec of defense though
Drunk Report on January 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Cook off: where the gun barrel gets so hot that when you chamber a round it goes off from the heat before you can pull the lanyard.
MB4 on January 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Tenemos que hablar español.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Biggest winner of the night: McCain Haters!
CNN and FOX both dump McCain’s speech for Mitt
Talk about making McCain look inconsequential on primetime election night TV.
burnitup on January 15, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Agree with the sentiment, but don’t see any evidence of a boost to Fred’s coffers at fred08.com.
CK MacLeod on January 15, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Not if they take their Koran & Hadith seriously…
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Wow. That is huge.
Hillary’s version of Nixon’s southern strategy could blow up in Democrats faces for a generation.
thirteen28 on January 15, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Healthcare Plan
Contribute
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Shillary is beating the ‘economy’ drum. Can’t wait till GWB learns from his father and stimulate the economy….remember Ole John sayin “The worse economy since the great depression”. They are walking on thin ice with that argument. GWB will fix it.
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Seems that Romney’s supporters take after their candidate, in terms of their fealty to the truth:
His healthcare plan mandates coverage overseen by a state bureaucracy. There’s very little daylight between RomneyCare and what Clinton’s proposing. It’s socialism.
Yes, he did. He increased taxes enormously. He just called it a fee increase, and pretended it didn’t count.
Centerfire on January 15, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Dude, Mitt’s email about MI has a large gold metal picture. That metaphor SUCKS.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Tommy Franks as SecDef.
Juan Fresas McVano as ambassador to Ciudad de Mexico in perpetuity.
MB4 on January 15, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Fred beats Guliani by 33%!!!
Duncan Hunter for SecDef. — ranger and airborne combat vet, and his son was in Iraq AND Afghanistan, plus 20+ years on Armed Services committee.
fred5678 on January 15, 2008 at 9:55 PM
They’re pretty quiet about it. What about all those polls in England asking how many are sympathetic to the jihadis? Seemed to be quite a few. Plus, how does one know when they are telling the truth? Doesn’t the Koran allow for some flexibility on that?
a capella on January 15, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Hahaha Ron Paul is beating Dead Fred and 9ui11ioni.
menoname on January 15, 2008 at 9:56 PM
His healthcare plan tries to PREVENT socialism. Too many people get to mooch of the gov’t for free healthcare. By making them pay their own way combined with deregulation of the industry, healthcare costs are reduced for all and the burden on the taxpayer is lightened.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Let him eat lettuce.
MB4 on January 15, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Probably, SC is a must win state, I think for Huck.
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:58 PM
I’m not a big Mitt backer, but user fees for specific activiies that were raised to cover costs (as far as that statement is true) do lower general taxes (unless the gain is spent, of course)!
fred5678 on January 15, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Ha!
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Oops, The Messiah just LIED!
He was paying less taxes on his capitol gain taxes vs earned income. This has been discussed before.
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:58 PM
I lived in Massachusetts during Romney’s tenure as governor too. And he is the only GOP governor that gave me breath of fresh air after over decade of lame duck republican governors who could not even stand for a second in front of powerful Massachusetts democrats and liberals.
And Romney did not raise taxes during his tenure as governor. Cherry picking “fee increases” is Deval Patrick line of speech when he was railing against Kerry Healy during ‘06 election. Some fees were raised yes, but overall if you look at all the numbers, there have been more reduced taxation (including that of fees) against ordinary MA citizens than there have been increases.
blahdy on January 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Hey hey.
Spirit of 1776 on January 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Thank you Michigan evangelicals for restoring my faith that my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ actually possess some brain cells.
Maybe the Iowa evangelicals are just smoking some special brand of corn crack?
SimplyKimberly on January 15, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Ron Paul is miserably losing another state. His campaign has turned out to be a sad joke.
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM
But…but…but…the Blimp!
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 10:03 PM
You did? Where exactly here did you live? What taxes did he raise? What socialized medicine are you talking about?
TheBigOldDog on January 15, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Is that what they’re calling the Fred groupies now?
lol
csdeven on January 15, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Blame corn, hogs, and open outcry.
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Why do they want to “End the war”? I thought the end of a war for America was defined as victory.
We are still in the following states after Victory:
Germany, Japan, South Korea, Lebanon, the Dominican, Afghanistan and Panama. I am thoughtful that they may be more.
I may be wrong, but I don’t think so (but if I am, correct me)
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Shrillary down to 58%…hah!
Fred being animated with Sean Hannity. FUN!
SouthernGent on January 15, 2008 at 10:08 PM
So is Fred Thompson. Ron Paul has slaughtered him in every state except Iowa so far.
BKennedy on January 15, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Thanx for the tip!
Loving it!
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM
*crickets*
CliffHanger on January 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Fred! is smacking Colmes around now.
SimplyKimberly on January 15, 2008 at 10:11 PM
He (Thompson) looks good tonight! He was really fired up!
SouthernGent on January 15, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Three different races, three different front-runners.
Will the south rise?
Kini on January 15, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Corn crack, ha!
(”Y’know what this country needs? [Pause for puff.] A preacher-president.”
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 10:13 PM
NewsFlash; the dems will pull every single combat coalition troop out of Iraq in a year. No bases. No victory. They will let Al Qeada have our bases and HumVees. If they have to they’ll station Rambo in Kuwait and send him in on a suicide mission to clear the lunchrooms we’ve left behind. Nancy Pelosi will be queen and Harry will be the mascot.
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Fred!
therightwinger on January 15, 2008 at 10:16 PM
I’m glad I didn’t have to listen to another speech from McCain…his last one was awful even though he’d won.
And I noticed he had a piece of paper he brought with him to the podium…geez!
Domino on January 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Second Newsflash; John Edwards is smokin’ the gothom duo. They keep picking their jaws up off the floor and repeating everything he has just said. Comedy on nbc. Group sex on nbc. nbc must be trying to establish itself as a tv channel.
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Here’s a big sluuuuuuuuurp from a FredHead.
RushBaby on January 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM
So McCain loses even with 41% Democratic support.
Rush is right. Lets get to the states with closed primaries and see how McRagingLiar does then. Republicans tend to want to vote for actual Republicans.
SimplyKimberly on January 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Third NewsFlash. The messiah can solve any of our problems. All he needs is experts surrounding him at a round table.
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM
lol
Spirit of 1776 on January 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM
GOLD !!! Big state. Big win. We got us a bona fide front runner here.
argos on January 15, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Fourth NewsFlash; Dem candidates will cripple the American economy for decades in order to make an all out effort to lower greenhouse gases that has no hope of succeeding. Genius. Sheer genius.
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Ok, I am not really sorry, but I CAN NOT listen to this socialist propaganda any more. Going watch either Family guy or Southpark.
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 10:31 PM
For Fred? I hope so. Time to put the skeer on these damn rinos.
argos on January 15, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Jeb would be our nominee if his last name weren’t Bush. He was a great governor.
lorien1973 on January 15, 2008 at 10:34 PM
I’ve been quiet for awhile, but now I will now post my Conservative “dream team” for 2012:
Ann Coulter (President)
Jeri Thompson (Vice-President)
2 tough Conservative gals with no D.C. baggage. They tell it like it is and would be more than happy to tell San Fran Nan to kiss their as$!
The male species can now begin to bow!
SouthernPride on January 15, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Go Huck Go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8tVbH5NfvQ
menoname on January 15, 2008 at 10:40 PM
If so, Ann needs to do all the pressers.
Spirit of 1776 on January 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Congrats, Mike Huckabee, for being a complete bafoon.
Editor on January 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Ann CoulterMICHELLE MALKIN (President)Fixed that for you!
Gatordoug on January 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Uh Allah I think you missed this over at DKOS and its a biggie. The nutroots are trying to take credit for the Romney win tonight.
sonnyspats1 on January 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
I think allah is a nelson rockefeller republican.
peacenprosperity on January 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM
AMEN! I was listening to the radio today, and MY GOD! Chuck Norris was on medve’s show swooning over Huckabee! I almost had to get sick.
Gatordoug on January 15, 2008 at 10:53 PM
That is Medved’s show!
Gatordoug on January 15, 2008 at 10:54 PM
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