Open thread: Michigan results; Update: Fox News, CNN call it for Mitt; Update: 69% of black Dems vote “uncommitted”; Update: Mitt beats Huck among evangelicals?
posted at 8:20 pm on January 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Looks like the nets are waiting until the very last Michigan poll closes in 40 minutes to call it but it’s clearly Mitt’s night. And Fred’s too: Compare and contrast.
If Romney wins, it guarantees that four of the big five will be alive and kicking in Florida two weeks from now. Fred will likely be the first one culled on Saturday; if Huckabee grossly disappoints in South Carolina he may go the same way, but McCain’s (likely) defeat tonight will give him a nice boost.
Are you as bored with this as I am? If so, there’s a Democratic debate airing on MSNBC at 9 p.m. And contrary to reports this morning, no, Dennis Kucinich will not be participating.
Update: Here’s CNN’s results page. Politico’s carrying the AP results, too.
Update: 9 p.m., polls are closed. Mitt wins, says Brit. CNN concurs. For once I think Hewitt’s spin is sound. If McCain can’t win in an open primary with no Democratic contest to draw away independents, how’s he going to win anywhere else?
Now we wait for the emotional Hugh/Mitt reunion at Romney HQ.
Update: It’s safe to say that Hillary’s lost the black vote. Not just in Michigan, either.
Update: Mitt’s pushing the “change” line in his victory speech now. Tedious.
Update: Don’t look now, but if this trend holds up it’ll be the second consecutive primary where Huckabee hasn’t done any better with evangelicals than his opponents. He’d better turn that around fast in SC or he’s finished.
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Why in hell would I want to be friendly with people who’d nominate an utter sh!tbag like Mitt Romney?
Centerfire on January 15, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Mitt wins!!! Fox News has called it for Mitt!!!!!
OKCubsFan on January 15, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Fox has called it for Romney
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 9:02 PM
I believe Levin favors Thompson, but wanted to see McMentum collapse ASAP, so worked to give it to Mitt…
snickelfritz on January 15, 2008 at 9:02 PM
LOL! JUST what I was thinking. Do people still have to read that damn book?
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Clinton beats Uncommitted. Good for her.
Vizzini on January 15, 2008 at 9:03 PM
That it does and in a big way in my opinion, but that wasn’t his expressed concern. It was an anti-McCain hate fest with DeMint.
Igor R. on January 15, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Man, if you’re not a Paultard, you should be.
snickelfritz on January 15, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Heard on the news today that they might have to close down the local horse racing track since the groomers are illegals and their lawyers thought they could get a waiver on the new AZ law that went into effect this year against hiring illegals.
All we really need to do is enforce the laws we have on the books.
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:03 PM
I disagree. Leaving Iowa, in fourth place, McCain was said to have the “inside lane”, even though Fred beat him for the third place spot. He then went on to win in NH but only by 5 points, considerably smaller than the margin he won by in 2000. Leaving NH it was said that the momentum of NH would help him beat Mitt in MI, which is why all the press up until now was not saying, what would McCain do if Mitt won, but what would Mitt do if McCain won. Now with a loss likely in MI (another state he won in 2000, I believe), he faces a late start in SC where he lost in 2000, and two candidates (Huck and Thompson) having a head start on him. I think FL will have to be his big stand. But he is going to have to compete with Rudy, who is also trying to make it his big stand. What is frustrating is that no matter where McCain ends up, there are never any stories about how he should drop out. The talking heads on the t.v. are always saying how the those who do better than McCain, will end up doing worse in the end.
Weight of Glory on January 15, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Oh, I don’t know…simple courtesy perhaps?
What makes you assume I’m a Romney supporter?
Slublog on January 15, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Well anyone who let’s someone’s ardent supporter on a blog influence them as if the candidate himself was doing it probably needs something stronger than that book.
Igor R. on January 15, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Romney wins…finally. Now Fred and Romney need to spend the next few days hammering the RINO’s…Yuckabee and McShamnesty.
therightwinger on January 15, 2008 at 9:05 PM
YAY! Romney wins the state everyone predicted he would win. It would been a really bad loss ( like Algore’s loss of Tenn.). But it was pretty much a given.
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Again if it comes down to McCain vs Romney I will be voting for McCain. Romney has shown me nothing on National defense.
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Dude, you deserve a President Obama. Enjoy it. Its people like you that will lose the general for whoever the nominee is (excluding Huck/McCain, who I would need some big convincing to vote for).
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Fox News called it for Romney.
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Hey, just a little while ago you called him a douche bag.
You’re flip-flopping about what kind of bag you think he is.
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Huh. There’s a Democratic debate on right now. And the first question was about race. Nice.
Spolitics on January 15, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Don’t feed the trolls. They’re little people and their little bitty bellies will explode.
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Are you the master of totally ridiculous spin? I’m not a Mitt supporter, but this race was framed everywhere as his last stand he was about to lose.
Igor R. on January 15, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Brit Hume just said “gay scene” when refering to Romney HQ. I know its immature, but I chuckled a bit.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Mitt is a favorite son in Mich. Sorry, you can’t call it an even field.
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Romney declared the winner by CNN and Fox
Pam on January 15, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Thanx for the laugh!
I am seeing in my crystal football ( yeah we won it :D ) a 500+ post on this thread.
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Kristol cracked me up just now. He said Hillary is going to wind up at 55% running against Uncommitted and Kucinich.
It must suck to be the Destined One, knowing she couldn’t wipe the floor with Uncommitted and the UFO enthusiast.
SimplyKimberly on January 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
A strong national defense requires border security. Still like McCain?
CABE on January 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
I don’t give a sh*t what you think of me. You can apply my original statement…
That’s exactly the kind of thinking that gives us the candidates we end up with.
Draw a line. Don’t let anyone cross over it. It’s that simple.
…to any and all value systems at play in this election. I don’t care if you back Thompson, McCain, Kucinich or Stalin. You have to fight for what you believe. Those who fight the hardest, win.
I’ve been doing this stuff since the early 70s, pal, when “conservative” was a dirty word. I know when I see a once-in-20-year candidate that reflects my values.
You can all me anything you want, but you’re gonna have to get used to the fact that some of us DO believe in miracles.
Get rid of the Fred-hate. It makes you look silly.
wccawa on January 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Credo in resurrectionem!
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Hooray for Gov. Romney!
A step forward for Conservatism!
Speakup on January 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
AP calls it for Romney
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Really, McCain based on national defense? Obviously McCain has more experience, but I don’t see a big enough difference between him and Mitt on the issue for me to look past McCain’s immigration and taxes record.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM
ISnt just that with National defense. And is also the fact that Mitt is the most unelectible republican he has as high an unfavorible rating as Hillary.
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Congrats all you Romneyites … uh Mittites… uh whatever, congrats!
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM
I’m in.
Spirit of 1776 on January 15, 2008 at 9:10 PM
What a relief. I was afraid we’d be stuck with McCain. (I think either Mitt or Rudy could beat Shrillary.)
petefrt on January 15, 2008 at 9:10 PM
I love Fred too, but keep that language for Daily Kos.
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Damn straight!
I want to vote for an actual conservative Republican.
SimplyKimberly on January 15, 2008 at 9:10 PM
“How I am going to improve the lives of” ppl…yeah, the socialist way of life.
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:11 PM
dude, this is Mitt’s homestate. of course he won.
treyevans on January 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM
So? You wanna take a chance on someone good, or have someone lame who’s a shoe-in?
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM
This doesn’t seem to be an “issues” election. It seems to be an election where you vote for the guy you like and can identify with. Mich just voted for one of their own (”cars are in my blood”). Iowa voted for one of their own. And NH voted for one of their own.
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM
The big winner tonight: Conservatism.
GO ROMNEY!
Patriot33 on January 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Dayum, 2 drinks
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Thanks BNelson44. Mitt-heads really needed a win tonight.
OKCubsFan on January 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM
spew huck is still fighting the class warfare stuff on Fox saying that the Mitt victory proves that is the case
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Not as funny as Huckabites. That’s straight from the book of Joshua!
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:13 PM
3-way group sex tonight on MSNBC. kissy kissy my butt sister, yes brother yesssss. John saw Martin Luther King in Selma… No that was Mitt sorry… back to the group sex…
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Being electable is a bunch of crap. Reagan was thought to be unelectable. Carter thought he could easily beat him.
CABE on January 15, 2008 at 9:13 PM
DAYUM! Hill looks B-A-D! I guess she forgot her botox shot.
lsutiger on January 15, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Yay. Down go the MSM candidates Huck & McCain.
thareb on January 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Heh. Seriously?
That’s great. He tried to appeal to class warfare to win, now he’s saying it caused his loss.
Next thing you know, he’ll blame his loss on global
warmingclimate change.Slublog on January 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM
So Obama and Silly both failed to get on the ballot????
Maybe Ralph Nader took those slot(s).
fred5678 on January 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Wow, Huckabee just proposed election fraud.
I really dispise that guy.
BKennedy on January 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Absolutely correct. And keep knocking ‘em down for “settling”. This IS America after all, we don’t “settle”, we work hard, AND we win.
RINOs go home!
Califemme on January 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM
AP via Politico: 10.97% precincts reporting
Romney 36.79%
McCain 30.94%
Huck 16.9%
Paul 6.24%
Rudy 2.65%
Fred 4%
Hunter 0.33%
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I have NOTHING but love for Fred. Please don’t mistake my frustration with his campaign with hatred toward the man.
Fred is great, but nowhere near perfect. None of these candidates fully reflect my values, and I consider my self a strong conservative on 95% of issues. And I’ll tell you this, campaign finance reform is a 360 from my values. It will take a lot for me to get over anybody who supported that violation of 1st amendment rights.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM
This is what happens when you open the comments to the trailer park.
paulsur on January 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM
The playground is at Fred08.com. I hear they keep things nice and clean there. Simply register and enjoy!
But please don’t use a “Kos” reference to qualify my remarks again. I was just about to add a bit more color, but have decided otherwise.
wccawa on January 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Huckabee’s putting it all on SC – makes sense for him.
Sorry Huck – I knew Ronald Reagan – Ronald Reagan was a friend of mine – you’re no Ronald Reagan.
CK MacLeod on January 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Hm. Color me unsurprised.
Slublog on January 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM
So you’ve come round to McCain’s position? ;)
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM
McCain throws in the Motown towel.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:17 PM
I didn’t assume you were a Romney supporter. Reading comprehension is your friend.
The only material difference between an Obama presidency and a Romney presidency would be that Obama would have enough basic honesty to own, and proudly wear, the “liberal jagoff” label. Romney, on the other hand, would continually attempt to pee on our heads and convince us it’s really a refreshing spring shower.
Centerfire on January 15, 2008 at 9:17 PM
hmmmm… Now Mitt’s stepping on John’s speech. Bad form.
CK MacLeod on January 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Condescension isn’t.
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Listening on Fox to the Huckster (and cringing) as he just said, “If you know of someone not voting for me in SC, let the air out of their tires.”
This is not my future President.
hoosiermama on January 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Ballsy for McCain to have Grahamnety backing him up on stage. I think I just threw up a little.
blackfish on January 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM
That’s rich.
I predicted he would blame it on the snow.
Didn’t see that one coming.
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Betcha they’re cussing the lights out at McCain HQ.
CK MacLeod on January 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Romney might make his healthcare plan a bigger part of his campaign. He just mentioned it in his speech. I hope he does, it sounds great once people understand it.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM
LOL….Screw McAmnesty and his speech with Sen. L. Grahamnesty stadning behind him…these “republicnas” are pathetic!!!
FRED 08!!!
LordMaximus on January 15, 2008 at 9:20 PM
That and you know, Romney not being a lefty, abortion-loving, inexperienced, vacuous socialist.
Seriously Centerfire, If you’ve worked in the private sector all your life, there is a near zero chance you support socialism.
BKennedy on January 15, 2008 at 9:20 PM
My Goodness.
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Cry more.
Centerfire on January 15, 2008 at 9:20 PM
For reals? (I don’t have TV.)
Maybe he meant it as a joke, but I don’t think that’s “cute”.
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Mitt’s people finally got that stupid chant down….
BTW, read about Mitt’s healthcare plan.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Right back at ya!
davenp35 on January 15, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Which empty phrase is better
a) “I have a plan!”
b) I can change Washington!”
Weebork on January 15, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Huck sounded serious, thus my “Huck supports election fraud” comment earlier.
BKennedy on January 15, 2008 at 9:22 PM
That’s my point. Rude personal comments here don’t help anything.
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM
He doesn’t care what Romney believes in. He has his man and will slander and defame all the others just to advance his man. Some (and I said some….) Fredheads make him look bad.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM
South Carolina’s shaping up as four hungry cats in a paper bag – given a big shake.
CK MacLeod on January 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:24 PM
That’s racist.
ninjapirate on January 15, 2008 at 9:24 PM
And it’s a pity, because Fred makes himself look good.
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Dude, Romney is STOMPING McCain. He’s up by 9 points now, and was just up by 10.
BKennedy on January 15, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Tomorrow should be an interesting day
bnelson44 on January 15, 2008 at 9:25 PM
As someone who lives a stones throw from SC, I predict McCain takes a slight victory over Huck. The vets and old folks will show up for McCain.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Somebody sue this fool. Seek John Edwards on his azz. First it’s a corrupt election then its retaliation. What country is this fool from? Pakistan?
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 9:25 PM
But unfortunately the doofuses will show up for the Reverend.
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Cain. Imploding.
Huckabee. Exploding.
All is well in the world tonight.
wccawa on January 15, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Wait, all those poor folks who people like Mitt threw out of work turned out to help Mitt win the primary, according to Huck?
Or did he just say that the GOP really is the party of the silver spoon types, which is why he won’t win? What a great guy. With friends like that…..
funky chicken on January 15, 2008 at 9:26 PM
I know. I believe that most FredHeads and Romneyites have similar ideologies, but a lot of FredHeads are so hostile to anybody who supports anyone else.
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Geez.
Mitt hate.
I don’t get it. Yeah he’s plastic, yeah he’s flipped on some issues, but saying he will take his orders as president from the editorial pages from the New York Times? That’s just delusional.
Dude, he took a full barium enema EVERY DAY for FOUR YEARS from the Boston Globe for his positions on gay marriage and embryonic stem cells.
He’s not a candidate of convenience.
I think Rudy or Fred would govern better and have a better chance in the general, but painting Mitt like he’s some Clinton clone in Reagan drag is just ridiculous.
Michigan voters really only had too choices tonighe, vote for Shamnesty John or a Caesaropapist Huck or a recent convert on social issues and that’s moderate squish on some issues (guns, healthcare) but hardcore conservative on fiscal governance and foreign policy. (Fred was unfortunately not a contender)
They made the right choice.
Tonight was a good night for the movement.
tlclark on January 15, 2008 at 9:28 PM
malan89 on January 15, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Is Huckabee Abel?
(Is Fred able?)
Tzetzes on January 15, 2008 at 9:28 PM
How do wwe know he’s a Fred-head. Sounds like a Paul-leg to me.
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 9:29 PM
For reals. Not funny at all…and I think there will be more stupidisms the closer we get to the next one. Ok by me to see him fall on his face trying to be folksy like the peasants.
FWIW, I don’t have a TV either, but you can stream FoxNews here: If you have IE. :o)
hoosiermama on January 15, 2008 at 9:29 PM
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