Audio: Rush Limbaugh asks Newt Gingrich if the Reagan revolution is dead
posted at 3:30 pm on January 15, 2008 by Bryan
I’m not sure that Newt Gingrich is the best person to ask about the status of conservatism these days, since Gingrich has imbibed the snake oil that Al Gore is selling. And if you read Gingrich’s “Real Change” article with a critical eye, there’s less there than he pretends.
UPS locates fifteen million packages a day; FedEx eight million — while they are moving. In contrast, the federal bureaucracy can’t locate between ten and twenty million people in this country illegally. Perhaps, I said in the video, the federal government should send each of these people a package by FedEx or UPS.
It’s not that the federal government “can’t locate” illegal aliens. It’s that it doesn’t really want to, and state and local sanctuary policies make the feds’ job harder even if they did want to do it. It’s not then so much a question of competency, as it’s a question of political will and priorities. Newt’s “world that fails” fails because someone, in this case business interests on one hand and the post-national left on the other, benefits, and they have found a way to own the government in a way that average citizens can’t. Sensing that problem, Gingrich says:
Real change must begin at the individual level, with each person deciding that the special interests, the bureaucracies, and the forces of the past will not determine the course of the future.
But Gingrich himself empowers the very people who are standing in the way of progress in one of the problem areas he cites in the interview with Rush. The US is the only major industrialized country in the world that isn’t actively seeking to exploit the fuel reserves that exist within its own territory. The only one. Why? Because the environmental lobby has successfully made keeping oil rigs off our shores and out of ANWR a higher priority than energy independence and national security. Gingrich’s embrace of Gore’s version of environmentalism and global warming isn’t helping. Sure, Newt promotes a more market-friendly approach than Gore, but that gets lost in the noise.
But for all of these flaws, the interview is interesting. Neither seems to agree with the Huckabee/Rollins view, that the Reagan coalition itself is outdated or that either economic conservatives, national security conservatives or social conservatives should no longer be a part of that coalition.
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Conservatism didn’t die – the Republican Party did. They are no different than the Democrats – the State is the answer to every ill.
I’m a Conservative without a Party.
OhEssYouCowboys on January 15, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Me Too! Go Fred!!
bubby62 on January 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM
I actually think the major disagreements are over what these “ills” are in the first place.
Big S on January 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM
The Conservative movement needs to be rebuilt from the bottom up not the top down.
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Welcome to the club.
I am involved in the Republican party and I get in monthly debates with others that firmly believe the Party needs to become more moderate to win elections.
Needless to say, I continue to argue against that idea as conservatives and the Republicans lose every time they move to the left.
azcop on January 15, 2008 at 3:42 PM
I never thought I’d see the day when Rush Limbaugh would have to “dress down” Newt Gingrich on the merits of conservative idealism. Rush was RIGHT ON and Newt ran away. I am a student of Newt but he has “evolved”. Newt drank the AlGore “climate change” kool-aid, and is way to cozy with Hillary. Most genius’ finally crack and I fear Newt might be close. It’s a sad day.
edgehead on January 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM
SECOND LOOK AT NEWT GINGERICH FOR PRESIDENT!
Where are the Newt shills to prop up Newt when we need them?
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Wow. I listened to it live and Rush really ripped into Newt. At one point Rush seemed to lose his temper after Newt mentioned “carbon emissions”. I never thought I would ever hear that happen.
infidel65 on January 15, 2008 at 3:44 PM
I used this phrase for an entirely different reason… viva la revolucion
al sends
afterdarknesslight on January 15, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Newts selling liberalism repacked as we can do it too. A sure loser.
tarpon on January 15, 2008 at 3:46 PM
I would guess that’s Newt’s point. It’s not that it’s hard to find them, it’s that they wont.
Dash on January 15, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Is Gingrich saying anything substantial or is he just peddling books?
whitetop on January 15, 2008 at 3:48 PM
I disagree Bryan. How else do you propose to derail the global warming giant?
Newt is using the momentum for the conservative advantage by using free market principles that are far more attractive. A conservative approach has the potential to take a losing issue and turn it on its head, basically fereeezing the left out of the equation. They made it an issue to beat us over the head with so we will solve it placate the middel and take credit for the solution.
Theworldisnotenough on January 15, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Newt has really marginalized himself ideologically. As far as regards ‘American Solutions’, there is nothing wrong with solutions, his example: decreasing the use of heating oil, but that’s not a process that is the domain of the government.
Spirit of 1776 on January 15, 2008 at 3:50 PM
The problem infecting the republican party right now is that elitism has taken hold over the group in Washington. They believe they know more than anyone else about conservatism and dont take advice.
What this party hsa lacked for a while is an Idea leader. Someone who had great conservative ideas and can passionately talk about them. Too many have one or the other (For example Fred and Duncan have conservative beliefs but they have been unable to passionately advoacte them to attract others)
And the elites in washington other than standing up for conservative values run away from them to win elections and lose because they are seen as abandoning their values for election wins.
And I wonder about the big money on the republican side ? Where are they ? Soros is spending like mad and the dems are out raising the republicans for money. When did the dems become better at rasing money than republicans ? Why is our candidates struggling to find money when Obama, Hillary and even Ron Paul are knee deep in money ?
Its not the conservative people who have abandoned the party its the party leaders who are.
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Rush wins that one hands down because he goes back to what’s important: core principles. They are timeless and adaptable to any situation.
To suggest we stick with Reaganism and the Reagan coalition is not to say we are going to fight the Cold War again or attack the same problems that existed in the 1980′s. It’s to say that we are going to apply those core principles to today’s problems.
That’s what all of these “Reaganism is dead” people seem to be forgetting.
thirteen28 on January 15, 2008 at 3:55 PM
You give a conservative alternative. You say Hey if global warming is such a problem lets do this. We will build more Nuclear power plants. We will give tax and R&D breaks to industry who will develope cleaner ways to burn fossil fuels. We will grant research money to an industy that will find a way to convert coal (which the US has tons of) into a fossil fuel that burns cleanly in conbustion engines. (this will carry coal states that are mostly democrat)
We will not sign Kyoto but will offer another treaty that requires China and India to be full participants and not get exemption status. Our workers deserve the right to work as much as theirs. We would not allow countries to “buy” out of the system by giving money to 3rd world countries who use the money to keep their corrupt governments in power.
Thats just a start but is important steps
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Thank God for Rush!
Oh yeah, Newts gonna call Rush back!
It was so cool at the end when Newt started chokeing up.
Sorry Rush, gotta go now!
Conservaboomer on January 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM
That UPS statement says big government all over it. That just isn’t what we want. Sure if the government embeded everyone with barcodes, and put us on conveyor belts they would know where we all are, but then it wouldn’t matter. We would have no rights.
Tim Pancoast on January 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Gingrich hasn’t said much worthwhile since 1994. He was great until they made him resign as Speaker. Since then, he has been acting as a spoiler to his own ‘Conservative Revolution’ and is only out for himself.
I can’t say that I’d do any different though. Those that should have ‘had his back’ didn’t support him. He was betrayed, and now is betraying his betrayers, and making money in the process.
LegendHasIt on January 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM
It’s being derailed as we speak. All we have to do is hold off any draconian legislation and the whole issue will fade away. Every year that passes without their dire predictions coming true further marginalizes the climate change wackos. More and more scientists are publicly skeptical, and Gore’s armies are getting more desperate. None of the short-term predictions that they have made have come about. Why should we believe their long-term predictions?
edgehead on January 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Rush’s last line before the break: “Sad to say, but guts are in short supply in today’s politics.”
billy on January 15, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Newt is now one of them. The next thing you know, Rove and Snow will be working for Barry.
Griz on January 15, 2008 at 3:59 PM
I think Newt has been grasping for ideas for some time now. Its too bad he screwed up his majority leader tenure. I take that as the moment the republican majority in congress started unraveling. What we’re really in need of, are some new voices and minds to rise into positions of leadership. A conservative revival will come, its just a matter of time, how much, and how much damage our nation endures.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on January 15, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Sorry I meant 1998, not 94. DOH!
LegendHasIt on January 15, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Yes, but all that starts from a flawed base. Man-made Global Warming is a hoax. You suggest pretending it’s real to help matters? I think that is more destructive, because it brings people under the impression that we now believe the myth – turning it into accepted fact. Sort of like the No WMDs myth.
tickleddragon on January 15, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Oh and another Rep Congressman retire.
Rats on sinking ship?
billy on January 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Hopefully this will put to end the constant “Newt is a genius!” mantra I hear from many conservatives here and elsewhere. You can’t believe in man-made climate change and the myth that carbon dioxide is a pollutant and be a genius.
The man is a moron, and quite frankly he’s been one for quite a while now.
2Brave2Bscared on January 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Yup.
billy on January 15, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Newt is a Huckabee advisor. He’s now dead to me.
Hollowpoint on January 15, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Gingrich’s UPS/FedEx analogy would make perfect sense if illegal aliens are checked in and labeled with a tracking number as they cross the border. They don’t; so the analogy fails. But it does pass the stupid test.
Alan on January 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Newt who?
tickleddragon on January 15, 2008 at 4:11 PM
It doesnt matter what I believe or even what the truth is as the truther movement proves. The American public has bought into the idea. So I suggest that we offer an alternative to the idea. Right now people are more concerned about economics than enviromentalism. What I stated kills the idea and forces the dems to defend global warming on economic terms rather than enviromental terms.
Most of what I said was a direct attack on Kyoto. It informs the people what Kyoto really means. Kill that idea and Global warming starts to unravel. Keep in mind the rest of the world beleives in Global warming and will be antagonistic to anything the US puts out. We have to offer something not just to challenge global warming here but all over the world.
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 4:12 PM
I guess that’s what happens to someone who goes from a place of power to a pundit. Gingrich has changed dramatically over the last few years. Alan Keyes, formerly a reliable and articulate voice of conservative reason, cracked up when he moved to Illinois to run for Senate.
Maybe it’s time for some of these ‘formers’ to fade away. And yes, I’m referring to you Jim Gilmore, former Governor, former Prez candidate and now candidate for Senate. We need new blood.
pistolero on January 15, 2008 at 4:12 PM
“You can’t believe in man-made climate change and the myth that carbon dioxide is a pollutant and be a genius”
Amen!
A new RINO appears!
This is the sort of mentality that made me leave the Republican Party.
woodswalking1 on January 15, 2008 at 4:13 PM
‘zactly.
And I did shill for him here at HA in the past, smarty pants upthread (not you TD)
RushBaby on January 15, 2008 at 4:14 PM
Used to love him, too, RB. But in politics it is truly about “what have you done for us (the party) lately.”
tickleddragon on January 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM
I’m not going to accept a “lie” any way you look at it. You need to keep pounding the public with the facts…not give in to the bullshite. You will turn this myth into a accepted fact. Bad policy. Period.
tickleddragon on January 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Glad I’m not the only one that noticed that. I thought Keyes was superb prior to that; he has become a bad joke since then.
LegendHasIt on January 15, 2008 at 4:20 PM
I used to think he was smart, his quirks aside, but his shilling for Huckabee, or even tinkering with the thought, has soured me on him. He’s loaded with ideas but one never knows what he wants to do with them.
Entelechy on January 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM
I heard someone (don’t remember who) refer to him as the jester of Repub party. Seems about right these days, sadly.
tickleddragon on January 15, 2008 at 4:21 PM
as Newt points out, obviously the solution for illegal immigration is tracking numbers and bar codes with strategically located shipping warehouses around the country and a brown truck.
jp on January 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Hiya, Entelechy..it’s been a while, Lady!
tickleddragon on January 15, 2008 at 4:23 PM
To say that conservatives should ignore reality, ignore truth, simply because a portion of the American people have bought into the anti-truth, anti-reality propaganda of liberalism, is in and of itself liberal “logic.” You, sir, are a liberal.
You don’t take liberal invented lies and put conservative, “market-based” spins on them. That’s not conservatism. You point out the lie, defeat it with science, logic and reason, and you explain to the American public exactly why it was invented in the first place. That’s conservatism.
2Brave2Bscared on January 15, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Is Newt officially on board with Huck?
They are sounding similar but I haven’t seen anything official. If he is, it’s proof that he’s out of touch. I just heard a caller on SH show say that Huck is the “new Ronald Reagan.”
What in the $#@* is the world coming to?
edgehead on January 15, 2008 at 4:27 PM
This country is screwed.
2Brave2Bscared on January 15, 2008 at 4:28 PM
OK then tell my why this hasnt worked ? If Global warming is so untruthfull (and dont get me wrong I agree it is a hoax) why isnt it fully discredited ?
Nothing in any of the suggestions I made support the Ideal of global warming. I said ditch kyoto and replace it with a new treaty that isnt so socialist laden. I said build nuke plants and help industry research better fuels such as coal (Which is considered dirty than most fossel fuels)
I did make the mistake of saying you address global warming by mentioning it. I should have said “This is how we make our economy run better and change our use of fossel fuels” and never mentioned the word global warming.
However your tack of sticking your fingers in your ears and going “Lalalalala” isnt an answer either. You defuse the issue not ignore it.
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 4:31 PM
This is probably what prompted Newt to come on Rush’s show today, as Rush ripped into him yesterday: Rush to Newt: The Era of Reagan is NOT Over!
Michael in MI on January 15, 2008 at 4:32 PM
I think Newt has been angling for a possible VP nod or something to get back into the game. He has given praise for Rudy all year long. Huck too…he was one of first to state Huck is a first-tier candidate.
What if, Huck is just blowing alot of hotair to appeal to the populist mood of the country and BDS ridden nation to get elected. Then if elected would govern much differently? just a thought
jp on January 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM
This was also an excellent and inspiring monologue by Rush yesterday: Liberalism, Nanny Statism, is the Most Gutless Choice You Can Make
And this: Conservatism is Alive and Well
Michael in MI on January 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM
You go Rush… It’s not just over it’s finished…
Newt: People need to stop using the Reagan Mantra… Reagan understand that elected officials were put into office to SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Newt the one thing missing in your litany that you just went trough and the thing I took from Reagan the he knew was that people make government work NOT politicians. Reagan was inspirational by saying to the Americans that WE CAN DO THIS. And people are running away from it. You don’t hear Democrats saying the era of FDR is over.
Newt: I’m for REAL CHANGE. ((??? is that what Silky says??? Snake oil drinking is right!!))
Rush: You say we need to find a way that we don’t need so much heating oil. Frankly, that’s what Liberals say… People just feel like they need to sit around and have politicans solve them for them.
***THANK YOU RUSH!!!!*** That’s what I’m talking about with regards to whose gonna get nominated. Instead of taking control and vote for your beliefs but taking the path of least resistance and having NO confidence that Conservative ideas can win. Frankly, Rush is right, that way of thinking is simply BS!!!
Sultry Beauty on January 15, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Yep. Afraid so.
Hollowpoint on January 15, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Yes, that was the problem. If you didn’t mean to mention it as a fact that the Repubs will just handle differently, then you’re fine with me. My problem is with starting with an acceptance that Man-made GW is fact. It simply is not.
And as to sticking my fingers in my ears…I did offer a solution. I’m not ignoring it. You keep pounding the public with the facts. Carbon increases in history FOLLOWED temp increases, not the other way around. Weather and Climate on this planet is CYCLICAL and does not rely on anything that Man does or doesn’t do. The amount of data that Globalwarmers use is the equivalent of looking at less than a milisecond of your life and predicting what you’ll do in 15 years. There is no valid fact in their myth. Zero. Zip. Nada. THAT is what you do…keeeeeeeeep telling them that until they understand.
tickleddragon on January 15, 2008 at 4:38 PM
I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF HIGH TAXES!
I am sick and tired of everything the non-conservative liberals propose and legislate that make our life harder, more expensive, with less freedom.
I’M SICK OF IT!
Do you want to know just how ignorant most people are of the tax rate?
Take for example, the average employee has no idea that their tax rate is literally twice than their withholding.
I have argued to no avail with IDIOTS that don’t understand this!
The claim that the actual withholding is their tax rate is such stupidity!
No, to the contrary, the employer pays an extra amount equal to the withholding.
So the end result is, an employee’s payroll would be exactly what their wage rate is, if in fact, the tax rate was what the employee, thinks it is.
Oh yeah that’s right… they get it all back at the end of the year….
SUCH BULLSHIT!
And just when we thought it couldn’t get worse, here’s comes the ethanol mandate bullshit, that becomes a tax increase by virtue of causing higher prices for everything regarding food.
BULLSHIT, PURE UNADULTERATED BULLSHIT!
I’M SICK OF IT!
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Amen! Preach on, Brother!
tickleddragon on January 15, 2008 at 4:41 PM
I agree with you tickle on what global warming is. However if a republican politican goes on stage to attack global warming the dems will simply trot out hundreds of sceintists and activists from all over the world to attack such a declaration. And ask the american people to chose between a politican and them. Its a suicidal proposition.
Rather than play that game with the dems I simply suggest subverting their message and burying it. Make a simply statement offer alternatives and then dont worry about it is the way to handle things
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Agreed but how do you get this message across? The publik skools already have earth science books written by Gorebal warming enthusiasts, students are forced to watch Gore’s stupid movie in class, and those scientists who are skeptical are called heretics by the enviro-nazi establishment. Quite frankly, we’ve been muzzled.
I’m very disappointed with Newt about this Huck thing but I have to agree that if the masses believe that they are doing something good by wasting money to solve an imaginary problem, it’s another place where there is capital to be made. Unfortunately, Newt is losing me fast since it seems like he actually believes the climate change hysteria. No good drug dealer partakes of his product…
NTWR on January 15, 2008 at 4:51 PM
I love how Rush and Newt go on about what Reaganism was without ever mentioning abortion. Yeah, Reagan was anti-abortion, but he wasn’t obsessed with it the way the GOP is today. And frankly, it’s Rush and Newt, plus most other “conservative” pundits, who are responsible for the GOP’s obsession with it. Not Reagan…at least in my opinion. I never voted for Reagan because of abortion. I voted for him for the Reaganism they just defined.
Alan on January 15, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Just got an email from Regnery, Newt has a “blockbuster” new book out, Real Change: From the World That Fails to the World That Works.
RushBaby on January 15, 2008 at 4:54 PM
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Um… that’s exactly what Gingrich is saying. And theworldisnotenough is absolutely correct.
DaveS on January 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Bingo. Bush is a miserable failure on this, as would be McCain, Huck, and Rudy. Four states have recently shown the will to “do the job the (current) American President won’t do.”
Choose wisely on this issue. Giving permanent residency in one business day to 12 to 30 million illegal aliens isn’t easily undone. Does your candidate offer rewards, bribes, benefits, and/or enticements to law breakers which will lure the NEXT 30 million invaders to cross our borders?
fred5678 on January 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I have never been so mad as i am with n Newt now what a trader to our side
thmcbb on January 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM
You must have turned it off then. A caller called right after that and said “Did I just hear Newt talk about carbon emissions?” and this is right after Rush went on a 5 minute diatribe where I wish I would have had the dittocam to see steam coming out of his ears. Rush answered the caller:
“Yes Newt did talk about carbon emissions, and that is why I just lost it.”
broker1 on January 15, 2008 at 4:57 PM
OK….
I get the “contract w/America” props he gets for way back when…….
I get he could probably be a decent history professor at some college…….
BUT……….
The guy has NO personality and puts me to sleep EVERY time I listen to him…….
I thought it was a BIG JOKE when the buzz was about him running for POTUS……..but I knew he couldn’t take the primary heat of his infidelity that he chastised slick willy for…….
I heard the conversaation live this afternoon…….and Rush smoked him…….Newt is a “Political Philanderer” these days trying to make a buck…..
awesum on January 15, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Part of me thinks Newt is gearing up for a Third Way. He helps the Pro-life Democrat Huck get the repub. nomination, knowing it will piss off the conservative base who will have nowhere to turn, then rushes in on a white horse to save the day as the REAL Conservative in a third party.
Who knows…
NTWR on January 15, 2008 at 5:01 PM
True I simply took his idea and ran with it
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 5:02 PM
You guys that suggest we “offer” another option to deal with Global Warming sound like you’re just not up to the task of making your point known over and over. Gore is shown in schools, but it’s shown to CHILDREN. Children don’t vote, and the message is already getting out. There is still a debate, and we need to stay away from electing officials that buy into this drivel. We just have to keep at it. Offer whatever you want to offer, but never concede that the concept is valid or fact.
Don’t you guys remember that the way fiction becomes fact is it’s repetition? This is how the LIBS work.
You all have given up…and in essence, given in. I haven’t.
tickleddragon on January 15, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Term limits would solve a lot of problems.
a capella on January 15, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Newt is Hannity right now.
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Hannity of course, is slobbering all over him.
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Hannity: “you’re so ahead of the curve, you scare me!
Whatever.
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Hannity rarely has the guts to criticize anyone.
He’s gotta be nice to everybody..
Whatever.
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Isnt just the politicians. Its the entire republican establishment from RNC to Republican think tanks
William Amos on January 15, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Hannity on our republican candidates: “they are all great!”
Whatever.
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Rush was on fire this morning and he unloaded on Newt who has had it coming for months now.
I’m sure Newt came away with a what the hell was that expression on his face and Rush was right on every bit of what he took Newt to task for.
Speakup on January 15, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Reaganism is not dead…
Newtism is dead.
In fairness, even Barry Goldwater veered leftward in his last years. Reagan himself could be accused of naivety as it related to Gorbachev.
This is why Rush is SO right and why Newt is wrong. The movement and the principles are timeless. They trancend personalities and are as relevant today as they were 30 years ago.
Thank you Rush.
Thank you Fred.
Thank you Bryan.
edgehead on January 15, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Hannity is a nice guy (and the luckiest man on earth – getting the slot right after Rush)… but frankly he’s not terribly bright and hasn’t come up with an original idea… ever. Sorry Sean.
edgehead on January 15, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Global Warming issue is not a political gorilla.
If you to read and trust the polls, the environment it not in the top 5 issues.
Innovation and free market ideas is what should be promoted.
The democrats are pushing “it’s the economy stupid” line.
If anything, health care reform may be the real issue.
Kini on January 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM
From other commenter’s…. LIVe
Kini on January 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Hannity to Newt: “Its great to talk to you!”
zzzzzzzz..
Mcguyver on January 15, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Reagan had a little to say about abortion.
Michael in MI on January 15, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Rush at his best (from the link I provided about Liberalism being the most gutless choice you can make):
Michael in MI on January 15, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Hannity you need to get Rev Al and Bob Beckel on you show to see what they think also .Thats all we need after you were kissing up to that sell out Newt !!!!!
thmcbb on January 15, 2008 at 6:54 PM
gingrich is a liberal because i don’t have the patience to listen to what he’s saying.
what we need is more shallow demagogues who end up being discovered in a motel room with a dude and a couple dozen k of taxpayer money in their pockets.
jummy on January 15, 2008 at 6:59 PM
No, hes just forgot conservative principals
Kini on January 15, 2008 at 7:38 PM
The only Bush failure on this is that he failed in his effort to give them amnesty and make things worse.
He never tried and never wanted to actually solve the problem, and if we had listened closely to the details back hen he was campaigning we wouldn’t have expected him to actually enforce the laws and secure the borders. But we were so worried about keeping Gore out of the White House in 2000 and keeping Kerry out in 2004, most of us (myself included) never heard him when he said (essentially) that he doesn’t believe in borders.
He is a globalist, just like his father… He just hid it better for five years.
LegendHasIt on January 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM
This is along the lines of what I was thinking when I listened to the interview this afternoon.
eanax on January 15, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Ah, elitism is the problem — period.
eanax on January 15, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Really? If that’s true, he’s just gone down several rungs on my ladder of respect.
eanax on January 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM