Video: John McCain gets booed in Michigan

posted at 5:10 pm on January 14, 2008 by Bryan

Michelle noted the booing earlier today, but seeing it on video elevates the story from entertaining to priceless. And it’s over a signature issue, one on which he has been lying lately, illegal immigration.

That story that McCain tells in his defense — calling a soldier who has been serving in Iraq to tell him that the government is deporting his mother — might account for .000001 cases of illegal immigration. So why does he keep telling it?

Because on this issue McCain is a dishonest demagogue who knows his own record could be his undoing.

Update (AP): Just listen as the many caveats to enforcement slip lightly from his lips. Fred should be killing him on this. He’s the only one of the big five whose immigration record is untainted, and yet the most he could muster yesterday on CNN when asked about it directly was this:

BLITZER: And very quickly, McCain, is there a real difference between you and McCain?

THOMPSON: Yeah, I disagree with the illegal immigration bill that they proposed last year and the year before last. Said it from the very beginning, didn’t think that was the way to go. I’ve disagreed with him on tax cuts in times past. In 2001, in particular, I know of one time when I supported the tax cut and he didn’t. So, yeah. And we’ve talked about that.

He’s going to lose this race on Saturday by squandering these opportunities. Watch and see.


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today’s Nor’easter in Nor’England was billed on CNN as “Extreme Weather”

Which is code for global warming and I better sell the sportfisher.

windansea on January 14, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Yes, all deviations from the average will be attributed to Climate Change. If there are no deviations, this unusual stability will be attributed to Climate Change. Climate Change exists because it must exist. It’s faith, it’s destiny, it’s what’s needed for the world to wake up and SEE!

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Mmm. That might confuse our talking points. How about “Just shut up and stay global climate stable.”

p.s. You might get a kick out of this. And/or this.

Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM

While I like McCain on the WOT I hate that we will lose Illegal Immigration as an issue if he wins the nomination.
William Amos on January 14, 2008 at 5:36 PM

No, no, no, my friend. Any man who would use the military to prop up his truly indefensible bill that would have granted immediate de facto amnesty to every illegal inside our borders is not worthy of your support.
Exactly how different is McCain’s inference — that cracking down on illegals would affect our military — different from Kerry’s statement that the military consists of intellectual and social rejects?
The Left has made a habit of accusing Bush of using the WOT to inhibit civil liberties. If this tripe is McCain’s way of defending Shamnesty, what’s next?
We have to raise taxes to support the WOT? We have to further limit free speech to support the WOT? Etc, etc.
Think about it.
The man is more than dangerous.

Nichevo on January 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM

John McCain is a man of reason. You can’t deport every illegal in this country. And rather than give you all the feel good rhetoric of “let’s send them all back” ala Tancredo, he’s giving you straight talk. Border first, then deal with the rest. If they are peaceful people, then let’s grant them citizenship since we have corporations hiring them anyway and helping our economy. Our failure means we need to just let them stay. It’s the only way around this government failure!

popularpolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Mmm. That might confuse our talking points. How about “Just shut up and stay global climate stable.”

p.s. You might get a kick out of this. And/or this.

Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM

I did. But it kinda made me question the appropriateness of the name of THIS site, “HotAir”, that’s just not a Global Climate Change friendly name.

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Dude, be careful what news sites you link to. That one’s pretty racist.

Big S on January 14, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Yikes! Big S has that right. I’d ask Bryan to remove the link.

Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Dude, be careful what news sites you link to. That one’s pretty racist.

Big S on January 14, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Yikes! Big S has that right. I’d ask Bryan to remove the link.

Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

EGADS! I just found that on Google. I hope Bryan will fix that. It is some eurotrash site.
Sorry!

TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM

If they are peaceful people, then let’s grant them citizenship since we have corporations hiring them anyway and helping our economy.

Ok, how then about the peaceful and law-abiding folks that are still waiting abroad to do this whole thing legally. Seems to me they could already have their jobs here if they had no respect for our laws. Isn’t that the kind of behavior we should be encouraging in prospective immigrants?

Oh well, I guess f*** them.

Mark V. on January 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM

popularpolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Question: Do you agree that the illegals who have broken the law (not counting our immigration laws) should be deported? And do you include in that group the ones who have committed identity theft?

McCain’s not just arguing that they should stay. He’s going much further than that, arguing we need to protect the social security benefits they “earned” by commiting identity theft and social security fraud.

Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM

I just did a YouTube search. There are a lot of clips of Rudy supporting it. Found one of Mitt speaking out against it….

Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Which means there ought to be one of Mitt speaking out pretty much in favor of it.

steveegg on January 14, 2008 at 6:56 PM

“HotAir”, that’s just not a Global Climate Change friendly name.

I can’t think of anyway around that one. Oh, well. Screw the environment.

Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:57 PM

TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Mr. Sitrep,
Did you look at the site’s description in their “About” link?

The places we call home are no longer “our” nations. These people who decide our fate, these “elected officials” are put there not by you or me, but by Zionist media mongers.

They are leading our people to a path of extinction, and we cannot allow this to succeed. The European race makes up only 2% of the world population, and at the current rate we will be extinct in only 5 generations. Our enemies know this, and continue to bombard us with the same anti European propaganda, designed to proliferate guilt and self hatred on a daily basis.

We must all realize is that Our Race is Our Nation. European Americans have more in common with a Swede living in Stockholm, or an Italian living in Venice, when it comes to morals, and culture than they do with the African American, or Mexican living next door.

I really hope this is not what you view as credible sources.

Bradky on January 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Which means there ought to be one of Mitt speaking out pretty much in favor of it.

steveegg on January 14, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Unfortunately, you’re probably right. If you find one, please post a link.

Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Bradky on January 14, 2008 at 6:58 PM

I just emailed Bryan about it.
I want to apologize to everyone here.
It was completely unintentional. Heck I thought it was a local TV stations site.

TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 7:01 PM

TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 7:01 PM

Thanks for the reply. I didn’t refresh before posting so I missed your 6:54 post. Sorry about that.

Bradky on January 14, 2008 at 7:04 PM

It only sounded like 4 or 5 people were booing.

froghat on January 14, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Yikes! Big S has that right. I’d ask Bryan to remove the link.

Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Done and Done!

Thanks

TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 7:10 PM

EGADS! I just found that on Google. I hope Bryan will fix that. It is some eurotrash site.
Sorry!

TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM

I’ve posted in a hurry before and been burned the same way. We know you don’t agree with the site.

Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Let’s play “demagog” boys and girls. Why don’t you call up the soldier and tell him we’re going to deport the OTHER 11,999,999 illegals who are here. Can you imagine this pompous ass for 8 years!

Mojave Mark on January 14, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Let’s play “demagog” boys and girls. Why don’t you call up the soldier and tell him we’re going to deport the OTHER 11,999,999 illegals who are here. Can you imagine this pompous ass for 8 years!

Mojave Mark on January 14, 2008 at 7:17 PM

I can’t do it, my friend, I can’t do it.

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 7:18 PM

McCain says border first, amnesty later. I say border first, amnesty NEVER!

P. James Moriarty on January 14, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Am I going to call a soldier fighting in Iraq and tell him we’re deporting his mother. that when he gets back he won’t have a job because I gave to an illegal immigrant who will work for half the pay.

malan89 on January 14, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM

YES, all criminal illegals should be deported asap. They are easy to identify because when caught in a crime, we can send them back and rid ourselves of a bad person.

Any identity theft by illegals should also earn them a trip back to Mexico. If McCain doesn’t think that, then that’s a problem for me. But I haven’t’ heard him advocate that point of view any time, especially not recently.

popularpolitics on January 14, 2008 at 7:20 PM

That story that McCain tells in his defense — calling a soldier who has been serving in Iraq to tell him that the government is deporting his mother — might account for .000001 cases of illegal immigration. So why does he keep telling it?

If you are looking for the answer, first look to the simplest answer as it is likely the correct one.

He is a dishonest blood sucking saco de mierda.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Any identity theft by illegals should also earn them a trip back to Mexico. If McCain doesn’t think that, then that’s a problem for me. But I haven’t’ heard him advocate that point of view any time, especially not recently.

popularpolitics on January 14, 2008 at 7:20 PM

How do you think a significant number of illegals get jobs in the US? They fraudulently use someone’s SSN … which is tantamount to identity theft.

thirteen28 on January 14, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Just listen as the many caveats to enforcement slip lightly from his lips. Fred should be killing him on this.

I am afraid that Fred may be more loyal to a fellow member of the exclusive House of Lords Senate club than to America.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 7:25 PM

I am afraid that Fred may be more loyal to a fellow member of the exclusive House of Lords Senate club than to America.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Can’t be just that. Otherwise he would never attack Hil or Obama.

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 7:28 PM

I’m repeating this from an older link today that I didn’t realize was older. It needs to be said.

Let’s get something straight here. No one here is mad at McCain for “lying” and please, I think it’s called spin because he knows how important this issue is to people.

What you are mad about is his actual position. That’s it. I understand it too, But he believes what he believes. You don’t like what he believes, but he obviously is only going to back down from it to a certain extent. Take it or leave it.

I know most of you will leave it. And that is your right. But like I am told ad nauseum regarding the abortion issue, there are other issues here. You guys were ready to forgive Rudy on everything encluding McCain/Feingold, which he supported (along with your “pure” Fred), as long as he was “right on the war on terror.” Yet, McCain, who is more than right on the world on terror, gets no such break from you guys.

Maybe Thompson isn’t making a big deal out of the amnesty thing because in 1997 he voted for amnesty for illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba.

I mean what difference does it make where they come from, right? Amnesty is Amnesy and illegal is illegal.

My point is..if you want purity, go watch “Snow White” but if you want a good man who will be a great President and will beat the most chilling Democrat to run EVER, then you might want to forgive McCain.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 7:31 PM

John McCain is a man of reason. You can’t deport every illegal in this country. And rather than give you all the feel good rhetoric of “let’s send them all back” ala Tancredo, he’s giving you straight talk.

popularpolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Juan Plantation McVain speak with forked tongue.

No one has every said “deport every illegal in this country”.

That is a totally dishonest strawman.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 7:32 PM

I keep trying and trying, but none of y’all will listen. Okay, I’m gonna try one more time to explain The Facts of Life as they pertain to Fred Dalton Thompson. There are 2 that are pertinent to this thread:

#1. Fred is a gentleman. Allah’s silly nonsense about Fred being a ‘stalking horse’ for McCain demonstrates nothing. Well, except possibly AP’s ignorance. They worked together in the Senate. Fred greatly admired John for the true American hero he is. Fred, unfortunately, got suckered. I don’t know this for a fact, but I’m willing to bet that if you asked Fred what 2 decisions in his public life he regrets, support for McCain-Feingold would be 1. Totally against the grain. He’s publicly acknowledged his mistake. (Quick — what other candidate has done that??) But, like I said, he’s a gentleman. He’s going to unload on McCain’s record, not McCain. He’ll do it, but it doesn’t make sense to do it in a state as heavily-military as SC. Wait until Fla. (BTW, AP, that stalking horse stuff was the most egregious nonsense you’ve ever posted.)

#2. Anybody who thinks Fred will take the second spot on a national ticket is a blithering idiot. What — y’all can’t recognize an alpha male when you see one???

grits on January 14, 2008 at 7:35 PM

I know most of you will leave it. And that is your right. But like I am told ad nauseum regarding the abortion issue, there are other issues here. You guys were ready to forgive Rudy on everything encluding McCain/Feingold, which he supported (along with your “pure” Fred), as long as he was “right on the war on terror.” Yet, McCain, who is more than right on the world on terror, gets no such break from you guys.

Rudy et al are willing to entertain our concerns and modify their positions for our votes. McCain does not, in fact he tells us that his plan wasn’t amnesty after all.

Spirit of 1776 on January 14, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 7:31 PM

It’s just that legalizing all the illegals will mean the end of America as we know it. It’s an existential issue, it’s not like the capital gains taxes you can lower next year.

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 7:37 PM

McCain made no reference to securing the borders when he tried to deceive the American public by passing the anmnesty bll through Congress. The bill was so incompetently construed it was an embarrassment that it could’ve been presented on the floor of Congress for serious consideration. This guy is a RINO and nothing else.

volsense on January 14, 2008 at 7:37 PM

No one has every said “deport every illegal in this country”.

Okay – I’ll say it.
“It’s time to detain and deport every illegal in this country.”

Especially the Fwence. Those damn Fwence…

Timothy S. Carlson on January 14, 2008 at 7:38 PM

then let’s grant them citizenship since we have corporations hiring them anyway and helping our economy. Our failure means we need to just let them stay. It’s the only way around this government failure!

popularpolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:50 PM

The illegals are not helping our ecomomy.

They are being used by the disgraceful greedy traitorous plantation owners to help themselves by exploting them as serfs so that they do not have to pay a competitive wage to their legal fellow Americans, who by they way have to pick up the huge and growing tab for the schools, hospitals and prisons for their serfs.

The heads of these serf master plantation corporations should have their plantation corporations confiscated and be sent to prison.

Under Juan Plantation McVain they are instead rewarded.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 7:46 PM

“I’m not gonna call up some soldier in Iraq and tell him I’m gonna deport his mother”

Yeah,, I suppose you probably won’t either be the one that would call up some soldier in Iraq to tell him his mother was just killed in a head on collisions by a drunk illegal,, or, his mother was just raped during a home invasion by an illegal,, or his mother just lost her job because her employer found an illegal that could do it a lot cheaper,,,!!!

JellyToast on January 14, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Okay – I’ll say it.
“It’s time to detain and deport every illegal in this country.”

Especially the Fwence. Those damn Fwence…

Timothy S. Carlson on January 14, 2008 at 7:38 PM

After the first three multi-year sentences given to CEOs of three major companies, every illegal will self-deport.

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 7:48 PM

I am seriously upset by your weak reasoning, rws.

I don’t say that to insult or offend. It’s just that I’ve read so many of your old posts with admiration and respect for your steadfast adherence to conservative principles. Now you’re promoting the candidacy of a man who dreamed up the “Gang of 14″ and can’t draw a straight line between A-Q in Iraq and our porous borders. Not to mention, a guy who is temperamentally unfit for the office. You’re selling out, and I’m confused and disappointed. WHY?

grits on January 14, 2008 at 7:52 PM

That’s it. I understand it too, But he believes what he believes. You don’t like what he believes, but he obviously is only going to back down from it to a certain extent. Take it or leave it.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Oh for crying out loud, OBL believes what he believes. So what?

BTW, I will leave it [Juan Plantation McVain's grand shamnesty], preferably shoved right up his dirty asno.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 7:52 PM

McCain isn’t a hero in any way. Just like Kerry and Murtha, McCain has decided to help destroy our country, which vastly outweighs anything he has ever done to benefit our nation. Kerry and Murtha try to push their anti-American policies and McCain pushes amnesty for illegals. Get rid of this disgrace now…Vote Romney!

davenp35 on January 14, 2008 at 7:57 PM

McCain isn’t a hero in any way. Just like Kerry and Murtha, McCain has decided to help destroy our country, which vastly outweighs anything he has ever done to benefit our nation. Kerry and Murtha try to push their anti-American policies and McCain pushes amnesty for illegals. Get rid of this disgrace now…Vote Romney!

davenp35 on January 14, 2008 at 7:57 PM

McCain nicely compliments the two Democratic Saul Alinsky followers in that he is the co-sponsor of multiple bills by the more radical of the two. Mmmm…choice….

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM

grits,

Gang of 14 is what got Alito and Roberts. Are we forgetting that???? Probably the most important thing for the conservative movement during the entire Bush presidency.

I have made my case for McCain, I won’t repeat it here, but like I said, if you want pure, go watch “Snow White” I’d rather have a Republican (albeit a flawed one) in the White House rather than the Hildebeast.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Yeah,, I suppose you probably won’t either be the one that would call up some soldier in Iraq to tell him his mother was just killed in a head on collisions by a drunk illegal,, or, his mother was just raped during a home invasion by an illegal,, or his mother just lost her job because her employer found an illegal that could do it a lot cheaper,,,!!!

JellyToast on January 14, 2008 at 7:47 PM

If someone would only put that in a mass broadcast political ad, it would probably drive a stake right through Count McVain’s dried up old heart.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Look, I like Romney and Fred too. I would totally support either of them, but if you really believe that they will do anything more about the illegal immigrant situation then you are being naive.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM

I kinda like Fred more than Snow White in the White House, plus he is statistically more likely to make it there than her. Although you can’t beat her name for the position.

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Remember when Mccain tried to force amnesty on the American people…they all said “we think there are 12 million illegal aliens in America but it could be*cough*cough* 30 million but we don’t know”

Well, I live in los angeles and I will tell you 12 million is a BS number….there are at least 10 million in L.A. alone!!

So I’m guessing 30 million is probably BS also 40 or 50M is more realistic.

Even so, 30 million illegals given amnesty + family reunification would amount to an influx of probably 100-150 million+ NON ENGLISH SPEAKING mexicans into America!

It will be the end of America folks.

Why we would nominate Mccain is unthinkable to me!

HaraldHardrada on January 14, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Look, I like Romney and Fred too. I would totally support either of them, but if you really believe that they will do anything more about the illegal immigrant situation then you are being naive.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Not doing anything is better than what Mav the Nut has in mind.

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Why we would nominate Mccain is unthinkable to me!

HaraldHardrada on January 14, 2008 at 8:07 PM

Must be his gentle and loving personality.

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Boo-yah?!! Did you say Boo-yah???!!!!! Well I never…….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sonnyspats1 on January 14, 2008 at 8:13 PM

He’s going to lose this race on Saturday by squandering these opportunities. Watch and see.

I’m afraid you’re right, Bryan. He’s just too much of a good old boy.

BacaDog on January 14, 2008 at 8:13 PM

I’d rather have a Republican (albeit a flawed one) in the White House rather than the Hildebeast.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Tell us how the HildaBeast could be any worse for America than Juan Plantation McVain.

The HildaBeast would certainly not be as bad for the Republican party as McVain would be that’s for sure; in fact she might be rather good for it.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 8:14 PM

…in fact she might be rather good for it.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 8:14 PM

I’d agree with you MB4 if it weren’t for that SCOTUS thing. Hillary and Billy teaming up to nominate judges just makes me shiver.

I wonder how fast his friends in the “gang of 14″ will ram a “Ginsburg” type nominee up McCain’s ass?

BacaDog on January 14, 2008 at 8:18 PM

MB4,

Hillary is not Bill who took polls and didn’t do much in the way of true harm. He just wanted to be loved (in more ways than one) But Hillary, well that is a whole nother story. She will not only promote and sign into legislation socialist agendas that will take decades to undo, but will cloak them in the spirit of goodwill. It takes a village guys, and the village is damned. It’s time for all of us to recognize that and fight the REAL ENEMY here, not our own guys.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Any of the four stooges would lose to Hitlery or Obama as their records will have caught up to them by then;

Candidate Research – Know Who You’re Voting For ( The Easy Way )
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/candidate_research_know_who_youre_voting_for/

Winghunter on January 14, 2008 at 8:18 PM

. It’s time for all of us to recognize that and fight the REAL ENEMY here, not our own guys.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Therein lies the problem; Juan Plantation “Not very tightly wrapped” Strawberries Shamnesty McVain is not my guy, he is my enemy.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Look, I like Romney and Fred too. I would totally support either of them, but if you really believe that they will do anything more about the illegal immigrant situation then you are being naive.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM

What reason to you have for doubting Thompson would do anything about illegal immigration?

a capella on January 14, 2008 at 8:28 PM

I’ll make that phone call. Give me her number. I won’t lose sleep over it, either. McCain is wrong, wrong, wrong. Hopefully the sheeple are starting to see this!

sheesh on January 14, 2008 at 8:30 PM

I’d agree with you MB4 if it weren’t for that SCOTUS thing. Hillary and Billy teaming up to nominate judges just makes me shiver.

BacaDog on January 14, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Assume, and it is some assumption at this point, that a Republican is elected in 2008, even a Fred or a Mitt; he will not be able to appoint an Alito or a Roberts or even close as the dims will control the senate probably by a bigger margin than they control it by now.

On the other hand, under a dim President the Republicans can, if they grow a spine, probably stop a Ginsberg.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 8:31 PM

On the other hand, under a dim President the Republicans can, if they grow a spine, probably stop a Ginsberg.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Has there been any event in recent history that would indicate to you that our GOP members of Congress will ever grow a spine?

BacaDog on January 14, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Has there been any event in recent history that would indicate to you that our GOP members of Congress will ever grow a spine?

BacaDog on January 14, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Well, ah, well, ah, let me get back to you on that later, much later.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 8:48 PM

John McCain is a man of reason. You can’t deport every illegal in this country. And rather than give you all the feel good rhetoric of “let’s send them all back” ala Tancredo, he’s giving you straight talk. Border first, then deal with the rest. If they are peaceful people, then let’s grant them citizenship since we have corporations hiring them anyway and helping our economy. Our failure means we need to just let them stay. It’s the only way around this government failure!

popularpolitics on January 14, 2008 at 6:50 PM

George Bush: “You can’t deport 12 million undocumented workers, THEREFORE you have to make them citizens.”

Again the false 2 choice option, conveniently forgetting the preferred method of attrition by enforcement, which is the majority choice in this Zogby poll and which is working just great in 4 states – listen to the testimony of self-deporting illegals in Georgia.

Where do you get this stupid idea that REWARDING illegal behavior will ever stop illegal aliens from invading our country? We have had 7 “amnesties” since 1986 – the big one and 6 subsequent smaller ones. Working real well, isn’t it??

McCain is correct – his plan is not really amnesty because he requires a $3000 fine BRIBE. His plan is worse – it is a program of rewards and bribes. Soliciting a bribe after the fact is no different that a potential illegal paying a BP agent $3000 to let him slip into our country before the fact.

REWARDING illegal aliens with the ill-gotten goods they came to steal in the first place (residency) is like a judge awarding the stolen jewelry to the convicted robber at the trial – even with a fine, making it not amnesty.

It’s the REWARDS, stupid!

McCain’s flawed policies have given us THIS. Brothels and Sunday Mass at the neighborhood illegal alien camp in the San Diego suburbs.

How about a little LAW ENFORCEMENT – which is working just fine in McCain’s home state and 3 others so far.

Idiots Insane people think that doing the same thing over and over (rewarding illegal aliens with residency) will have a different result. It will never stop the flood. Insane.

McCain and all his fellow travelers are pathetic.

fred5678 on January 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM

Yeah,, I suppose you probably won’t either be the one that would call up some soldier in Iraq to tell him his mother was just killed in a head on collisions by a drunk illegal,, or, his mother was just raped during a home invasion by an illegal,, or his mother just lost her job because her employer found an illegal that could do it a lot cheaper,,,!!!

JellyToast on January 14, 2008 at 7:47 PM
If someone would only put that in a mass broadcast political ad, it would probably drive a stake right through Count McVain’s dried up old heart.

MB4 on January 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM

I would have raised my hand at McCain’s question and offered my cell phone.

We GOTTA have that ad, at least on YouTube. Anyone reading here that can make that happen????

fred5678 on January 14, 2008 at 9:02 PM

fred5678 on January 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM

Well said.

Grayson on January 14, 2008 at 9:05 PM

My point is..if you want purity, go watch “Snow White” but if you want a good man who will be a great President and will beat the most chilling Democrat to run EVER, then you might want to forgive McCain.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 7:31 PM

McCain’s REWARDS and BRIBES program would have been the single biggest transformational mistake this century. Overnight 30 million illegals would have been able to apply for a Z visa, and if DHS couldn’t complete a background check and a health check in a very generous 24 hours, we would have had 30 million PERMANENT residents, shortly followed by another 30 million illegals jumping the border in the next ten years.

Mc Cain showed his perfidy by changing sneaking it in during the dark of night the 90 day background check period from the 2006 bill to 24 hours in his 2007 bill. That was treachery – plain and simple.

fred5678 on January 14, 2008 at 9:10 PM

fred5678 on January 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Well said.

Grayson on January 14, 2008 at 9:05 PM

I’ve had LOTS of practice with the trolls and open borders crowd who wander in here. They come to a battle of wits unarmed, with zero facts and false logic.

Too bad Thompson, Romney, Hunter (when allowed), and Tancredo (when he was here) didn’t carefully, and much more accurately, frame this debate as rewards, not amnesty.

Amnesty is forgiveness for past misdeeds – no fine, no jail. McCain is correct when he says his plan is not amnesty, because he solicits an after-the-fact fine BRIBE.

In “The Untouchables” that same scheme was called a protection racket.

Then he REWARDS the thieves with what they came here to steal. Duh.

I consider McCain, Bush, Kennedy, et al in the same regard as I do Al Capone on this issue.

fred5678 on January 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Always playing the emotion card, these guys. Prey on Christians, prey on mothers.

If a soldier’s mother is an illegal alien, how is he not? Was he a popped out here after she came across?

Deport ‘em both.

If not, I’ll make the call to let the soldier we deported his ILLEGAL ALIEN mother for you Johnny since you ain’t got the nuts for it.

mksmithwriter on January 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM

What reason to you have for doubting Thompson would do anything about illegal immigration?

Well, not just because he did vote for amnesty for illegal aliens from cuba and nicaguara in 1997, but because it is such a complicated issue in a hundred different waysin which I don’t believe any Republican president can or will do anything beyond border enforcement, temporary visa program, tamper-proof identity documents,requiring illegals to go to the back of the line, pay a fine,and pay back taxes. Which was McCain’s plan. You think you will get more than that? You are dreaming.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM

John McCain is a man of reason. You can’t deport every illegal in this country.

NO, John McCain is a liberal in a conservative suit. He’s a turn coat and a liar. I’ve heard from not one, but 2 different senators, in person, he’s a fake and an extremely mean human being!

colep on January 14, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM

I hate it for ya, RWS. I know you sincerely believe in this guy, and I think you are probably a good person. It pains me to see you setting yourself up for such a huge disappointment that he will be if he gets the nomination, or God forbid, the WH.

thirteen28 on January 14, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Maybe Thompson isn’t making a big deal out of the amnesty thing because in 1997 he voted for amnesty for illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba.

I mean what difference does it make where they come from, right? Amnesty is Amnesy and illegal is illegal.

Hey, whoa there. Seriously. I grew up in the Florida keys, I had a Voice of America transmitter practically in my backyard. The signal was so strong I could hear it over my phone. Some days I could hear faint voices coming from the toaster.

I lived through the Muriel boat lift, and saw all of the confiscated boats that became it’s local legacy.

Cuban people are NOT like illegal Mexican people in anyway. Cubans are FORCED to live under a ruthless communist dictator, they have no legal way to escape. They can’t just “get in line, like everyone else.”

Today Cuban people that try to come to this country are sprayed with fire hoses by the Coast Guard until they turn around or their vessels sink.

It is a truly terrible and despicable policy, one of many brought on by Bill Clinton.

Sorry to run off like that, but you really struck a nerve.

Dorvillian on January 14, 2008 at 9:59 PM

…I don’t believe any Republican president can or will do anything beyond border enforcement, temporary visa program, tamper-proof identity documents,requiring illegals to go to the back of the line, pay a fine,and pay back taxes. Which was McCain’s plan. You think you will get more than that? You are dreaming.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Please read this Zogby poll, the only poll I have ever seen that offers ALL THREE choices – including attrition by enforcement. It is a winning strategy, if only someone who supports it (Thompson, Hunter, Romney(?)) gets elected.

70% or more of Americans are against amnesty/rewards and shut down the Capitol switchboard to kill the Senate amnesty/rewards bill. 70% is usually a landslide in most elections.

To paraphrase, John Lennon, “Just give attrition a chance.”

Because it’s WORKING.

fred5678 on January 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Which was McCain’s plan. You think you will get more than that? You are dreaming.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM

If memory serves well, you were arguing for the initiative when we were all fighting against it, or something to the effect of 180 degrees opposed to most of us. I’m not a HA search rat but I recall something like that. I believe I even commented to it.

Entelechy on January 14, 2008 at 10:29 PM

We GOTTA have that ad, at least on YouTube. Anyone reading here that can make that happen????
fred5678 on January 14, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Hey,, I am humbled. If my ever so small thoughts can play an ever so small role in defeating the Shamnesty Man himself,, I offer them up free of charge to any and all!! LOL!!

JellyToast on January 14, 2008 at 10:31 PM

a man who dreamed up the “Gang of 14″

Which, in addition to Roberts and Alito, preserved the filibuster, which turned out handy since the GOP managed to spend itself out of a majority.

You can level substantive criticisms at McCain, but the whiny “Gang of 14″ carping isn’t on the list.

DRPrice on January 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM

but I also disagree with Michelle that we should boo him when he speaks.
locke on January 14, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I disagree. This isn’t McCain speaking to hostile dems. This is McCain speaking to his supposed base of support. He dang well should be booed for lying and he deserves it.

csdeven on January 14, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Imagine the cognitive dissonance among Fredheads when The One drops out after S.C. and endorses McCain. I can’t wait!

Big S on January 14, 2008 at 5:54 PM

You think the Fredheads are unbearable now, just wait until Fred drops out and they spend the next frappin’ 10 MONTHS telling us all how the ONLY conservative in the race was forced out because the rest of us are a bunch of ignorant morons.

csdeven on January 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Which, in addition to Roberts and Alito, preserved the filibuster, which turned out handy since the GOP managed to spend itself out of a majority.

You can level substantive criticisms at McCain, but the whiny “Gang of 14″ carping isn’t on the list.

DRPrice on January 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM

The only thing at issue was the filibuster of judicial nominees … not the filibuster in general. Had things gone the other way, filibuster would have still existed for other matters.

Gang of 14 damn near caused us to get Harriet Myers on the SC, and if it wasn’t for real conservatives forcing W. to back down on that ill-advised nominee, that’s exactly what we would have ended up with … thanks, John McVain.

thirteen28 on January 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM

He should be thankful they didn’t throw tomatoes.
Buttercup on January 14, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Or heads of lettuce picked at $50 per hour.

csdeven on January 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM

…do you honestly believe anyone who cares about illegal immigration has already forgotten McCain’s role?

Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 6:03 PM

You wouldn’t think so, but the pollsters have only gotten one wrong so far. And he’s leading in South Carolina, close in Michigan, and leading in California. So, yeah, I guess some people have forgotten…

Jaibones on January 14, 2008 at 11:39 PM

Problems McCain has…..

1) He has embraced this maverick persona to excuse his actions when he goes against the conservative flow.

2) This makes him untrustworthy because no matter what he says, he will do whatever he wants, because he’s a MAVERICK!.

3) He says he will secure the borders, but because he is a maverick, he will do as he damn well pleases and us xenophobes can go pound sand.

csdeven on January 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM

csdeven on January 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM

I hope Fred wins, he might, he might not, who knows. But, if he does, it will be worth every penny I sent the man to watch you eat crow.

You really shouldn’t borrow BKennedys cologne. Desperation is really a stinky scent.

RobertInAustin on January 14, 2008 at 11:48 PM

and pay back taxes. Which was McCain’s plan. You think you will get more than that? You are dreaming.

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM

2 points…..

As far as I know, and I may be mistaken, there is no such thing as an illegal alien from Cuba. This country has a wet foot, dry foot policy towards them.

2nd, asking illegals to file tax returns is dumb. Most would qualify for the earned income credit and would, instead of paying taxes, would be eligible for massive payouts depending on varying factors including dependents. I know a family who received $2400 in earned income credits. Imagine 20 million illegals getting $2500 for each family.

Maybe the fines would make it a wash, but I bet you money our masters have already earmarked those fines to fund some program.

csdeven on January 14, 2008 at 11:59 PM

RobertInAustin on January 14, 2008 at 11:48 PM

That is the typical response from you Fredheads. You are all primed up to make life miserable for us in the event Fred loses, just as you are primed up to force us to eat crow if he wins.

The problem is that most of us oppose Fred on his laziness etc and not on his rhetoric. Additionally most of us will happily vote for Fred if he is the nominee.

csdeven on January 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM

Well, I am not the typical FredHead. I do not see him as the Messiah. I have no interest to make you miserable if Fred should lose. Will I be disappointed, sure, but life doesn’t end if his run does.

As for Fred being lazy, if that is all you have than go with it. It is one thing to hear the mantra “Fred is dead” from the MSM and the RINO’s, but I don’t think Fred is lazy, he is doing what he wants to do. He isn’t going to dance too anyone’s tune, he is going to do it his way. It has worked for him in the past, it may work again. Time will tell.

if the polls tomorrow showed that Fred was first, I would highly doubt it. All the polls has shown is that they can be made to say anything.

I wish I had 25% of Fred’s laziness, if I did I would be a friggin neurosurgeon and not a medic on an ambulance.

Again, if lazy is all you have, then go with it, its worked for you so far.

Fred!

RobertInAustin on January 15, 2008 at 12:15 AM

Rightwingsparkle on January 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM

The laws are already on the books. We need an executive that will enforce them. The rest will be much less imperative after attrition by enforcement of the law.

Spirit of 1776 on January 15, 2008 at 12:32 AM

Where will Fred supporters go when he drops out wednesday?

Mcamnesty or Huck?

HaraldHardrada on January 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM

RobertInAustin on January 15, 2008 at 12:15 AM

“Laziness etc” is what I wrote.

I can go through the litany of flaws that Fred has, but why get the Fredheads screaming “troll” for the rest of the night?

Obviously I should have explain the context of “Fredheads”. If you aren’t going to whine for the next ten months, then I wouldn’t consider you a Fredhead.

csdeven on January 15, 2008 at 12:42 AM

Where will Fred supporters go when he drops out wednesday?

Mcamnesty or Huck?

HaraldHardrada on January 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM

They will certainly be in scarcity at hotair and all of the other “i love fred” sites they have been hitting – at least for a few days.

Bradky on January 15, 2008 at 12:43 AM

Where will Fred supporters go when he drops out wednesday?
Mcamnesty or Huck?
HaraldHardrada on January 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM

Neither. They’ll stay home or support Mitt.

csdeven on January 15, 2008 at 12:44 AM

Obviously I should have explain the context of “Fredheads”. If you aren’t going to whine for the next ten months, then I wouldn’t consider you a Fredhead.

I have supported Fred from the start. I even joked to my friends and said he would announce his run on my birthday and he did. I am a FredHead, he does things that annoy me, but as I have said before we each do our own thing, Fred wouldn’t tell me how to work a heart attack on my rig and I won’t tell him how to work his campaign.

Fred!

RobertInAustin on January 15, 2008 at 12:50 AM

McCain’s contempt is so profound for the worthless lazy citizenry he cannot resist slapping them down publically.

When is it good to elect a chief of state who openly despises the citizens, but so loves and admires illegals he limited the background check in Shamnesty to 24 hours guaranteeing everyone would pass?

McCain had no trouble making deals with the DEMs and his gang of RINOs to take over the Senate to force Shamnesty through

Has McCain changed? The only good thing about him is his transparency. He cannot control his anger, nor his contempt, even during an election.

Campaign finance reform shows that McCain only wants his own propaganda published.

I cannot think of a more socialist agenda than one which imports 30 million new voters to stuff the ballot boxes of the nation

The biggest question is: who does McCain represent, the voters or the illegal invaders?

How have we come to this, men running for election who direct their appeals to non-citizens?

entagor on January 15, 2008 at 12:51 AM

They will certainly be in scarcity at hotair and all of the other “i love fred” sites they have been hitting – at least for a few days.

Bradky on January 15, 2008 at 12:43 AM

Brad, won’t you be lonely then? :)

Entelechy on January 15, 2008 at 1:11 AM

Yeah, McCain was ready to get really exercised there. I still think someone should really go after some of his buttons.

csdeven on January 15, 2008 at 1:17 AM

The biggest question is: who does McCain represent, the voters or the illegal invaders?

How have we come to this, men running for election who direct their appeals to non-citizens?

entagor on January 15, 2008 at 12:51 AM

Question 1: I love multiple choice questions. How much time do I have to answer?

Question 2: This sounds like an essay question. Last year you only gave True/False. What gives?

Final question before I start – is this open book?

Good night all.

fred5678 on January 15, 2008 at 2:35 AM

Even those who mentioned the illegal aliens seemed unaware that McCain was an outspoken Republican advocate for providing illegal immigrants with a pathway to citizenship last spring.

Sharon Hoogendoorn, who works at Hope College in Holland, Mich., where McCain also had a town hall meeting Monday, said she was a border hawk and felt strongly about the issue. Asked how that squared with McCain’s stance on immigration, Hoogendoorn, who is leaning toward the Arizona senator, said, “I’m pretty sure that’s how he feels, as well.”

This explains why McVain is doing so well. A lot of Americans have their cabeza up their culo.

Tuco on January 15, 2008 at 3:18 AM

Where will Fred supporters go when he drops out wednesday?

Mcamnesty or Huck?

HaraldHardrada on January 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM

Many of us have decided to write in Fred Dalton Thompson.

TheSitRep on January 15, 2008 at 3:18 AM

Charming little hissy fit there at the end, McCain. Did he cut the Q&A short, I wonder, because he got booed and it hurt his feewings?

amkun on January 15, 2008 at 3:50 AM

Entelechy on January 15, 2008 at 1:11 AM

Entelechcy,
LOL. I suppose I will be.

Bradky on January 15, 2008 at 5:03 AM

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