Jeri Thompson: Huckabee’s not a conservative
posted at 7:20 pm on January 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Yeah, it’s couched in terms of “people say he’s not a conservative” but we all know the score.
There’s nothing here that Fred himself hasn’t said before, but per the Pickler/Burnett rule, it’s that much more convincing and persuasive. Good lord.
For the record, Pete Hoekstra pronounces himself “scared” at the prospect of a Huckabee victory tomorrow.
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This is the type of attitude that will split the Republican party for good. Be careful
popularpolitics on January 14, 2008 at 8:02 PM
The support for an internet tax in 2001? The sales tax hike to fund the Games and Fishing Commission and the Department of Parks and Tourism? Opposition to the repeal of sales tax on medicine and groceries in 2002? His raising the gasoline tax, cigarette tax, and nursing home bed-tax? His proposing of another tax hike in 2002? His opposition to the banning of the internet tax in 2003? His allowing a 17% sales tax to become law in 2004?
And the supposed Supreme Court-mandated hike wasn’t mandated by the Supreme Court. The SC mandated the state spend more money on education. Huck decided to fund that by raising taxes, instead of cutting spending elsewhere.
amerpundit on January 14, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Jeri is exactly right. The Huckster is a politician and a featherweight at that. The Factcheck referred to by ihasurnominashun says alot. Fred nailed him, nailed him good.
Zorro on January 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM
She made a great argument for Fred, planted the facts, and yes, she’s hot, but….
She woulda got kicked off of Walton and Johnson (you know)
lsutiger on January 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Yup, I think we are in agreement peski
Zetterson on January 14, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Right. Since when does controlling your life and more government intervention make you a Liberal?
I gotta tell you, I’m so grateful that President Huckabee would allow me to smoke in my home. He’s such a gracious man.
amerpundit on January 14, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Don’t give up yet! David Jeffers, author of Understanding Evangelicals: A Guide to Jesusland, just endorsed Fred today and another one who’s name I can’t recall also endorses Fred…there is hope!
ihasurnominashun on January 14, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Dude. There is a breech in security at that nuclear facility in CA almost quarterly. Way to go Department of Energy. In fact I think there was a security breech just today or yesterday. But, I’m sure the inspector general will be all over it, once he fills out the proper forms, gets approval, fills out more forms….
Weight of Glory on January 14, 2008 at 8:05 PM
You got that right.
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM
No. That attitude is simply the result of Huckabee supporters having already split the Republican party, but hopefully not for good. There was once this grand idea called the Conservative Coalition, where people agreed on core issues and didn’t let carnival barkers like Mike Huckabee get in the way of electing a proper candidate.
Then came Mike Huckabee and his army of evangelical christians…
HebrewToYou on January 14, 2008 at 8:06 PM
How sad is it that all Huckabee had to do was utter the name “Jesus” and play a bass guitar to gain the allegiance of so many? What an utterly depressing state of affairs.
HebrewToYou on January 14, 2008 at 8:08 PM
I think he’s banking on McCain self-destructing, its extremely risky, but I think that’s what he’s gonna try.
doubleplusundead on January 14, 2008 at 8:08 PM
“Nailed good” and “Jeri” in the same sentance. Stop!
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:08 PM
My hope is that Huck’s failed run will have served to strengthen the core beliefs of the conservative coalition and 2008 will be the start of future generations touting the Thompson Conservative coalition!
Go Fred!!
ihasurnominashun on January 14, 2008 at 8:10 PM
I graduated from Liberty University with a BA in religion, and I went to Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (still trying for my M.Div.), so let me say this: Huckabee will never get my support. I can see right through him. And he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I have been defending the evangelical community on this site for the last month, trying to convince those on HA that the evangelical base is not that dumb to fall for Huck…you are making it harder for me to hold that proposition.
Weight of Glory on January 14, 2008 at 8:10 PM
McCain’s tantrum will help.
RushBaby on January 14, 2008 at 8:11 PM
How sad is it that you put out such a lousy caricature of Huckabee supporters? I support Huckabee because of his policy and his vision for America. If all I wanted was Jesus shouted out I would’ve went fro Brownback!
popularpolitics on January 14, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Its maddening. It makes us all look like we have no core principles. I swear, if Bill Clinton put an R in front of his name and said the same things about Jesus as Huckabee says the same supporters would, right now, be flocking around Bill Clinton trying to explain to us how we are being unfair to label him a liberal. Its truly maddening.
Zetterson on January 14, 2008 at 8:11 PM
That’s not the type of security that I’m talking about. I’m talking about our suply of oil. What happens if Russia says “no more.?”
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:11 PM
+1
doubleplusundead on January 14, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Well, since the bulk of our oil comes from Canada and Mexico, I think we will probably be okay. We’ve got plenty of shale oil in WY and there is the ANWR that the Chinese are already drilling in.
ihasurnominashun on January 14, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Come on guys, we can do better than bashing evangelicals. As has been pointed out many times, though evangelicals form Huckabee’s base, Huckabee is the not the hands down evangelical favorite.
I’m probably what would be labeled as a fundamentalist Bible-thumper by the left. I believe you have to follow what the Bible says to get to a very literal heaven, if not you go to a very literal hell, that there is such a thing as an absolute right and wrong etc…
I have met a large amount of very smart evangelicals who fall on both sides of the political spectrum.
It’s bad enough Huckabee is playing identity politics, lets not join in and hammer all evangelicals.
I think that popularpolitics’ name reflects where he stand on the issue of Huckabee’s populist message, and has been pointed out, Huckabee’s record simply does not point to him being a man of solid conservatice political conviction, to anyone who looks at it objectively.
There’s no two ways about it. Spinning it as “oh he had to soften up and work with the Dems” simply doesn’t cut it. I mean, that’s what a lot of Huck supporters bash Romney for, for pete’s sakes…
Huckabee supporters would do well to show some intellectual honesty. If you consider his arguably social conservative stance to trump all else, say so. Just don’t try to make him something he’s not. Dishonesty is never attractive.
BranBresil on January 14, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Huckabee: a pandering, identity-politicking, high-taxing, felon-pardoning, illegal-loving theo-socialist.*
Yep his “policies and vision” have a lot to recommend them.
*h/t snickelfritz
RushBaby on January 14, 2008 at 8:14 PM
You got that right.
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Very little. Most of our oil doesn’t come from Russia, IIRC.
amerpundit on January 14, 2008 at 8:16 PM
You know us Christians could form a third party and win!
If Mccain wins I say we should do it!
Look if we have two amnesty candidates and 80% of Americans are against amnesty and we run a non amnesty candidate WE WILL WIN!
If we have two amnesty candidates there is NO CHOICE and it will be time to take back this country!!
HaraldHardrada on January 14, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Huckabee has run his entire campaign on his “Christian leader” shtick; he’s playing identity politics as a Christian.
Based on that, it’s a fair criticism that Huckabee supporters flock to him based on his religion rather than anything else, and you’ve lost all right to object to those criticisms.
Nessuno on January 14, 2008 at 8:16 PM
What he said.
Weight of Glory on January 14, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Shale Oil= alternative energy. You’re making my point. Canada and Mexico are protected by NAFTA. ANWaR is in Alaska, and Huckabee want’s to develop it, along with drilling off the coast of Fl, VA, and CA.
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:17 PM
ROFL
Really? You seriously just admitted you’re supporting Huckabee for his policy and vision? So what’s it like being a Democrat these days?
This is simply FALSE! While not all evangelical christians are supporting Huckabee, almost all the people supporting Huckabee are evangelical christians. This isn’t bashing evangelicals; this is bashing stupid frickin’ morons who happen to be evangelical christians.
HebrewToYou on January 14, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Wow!! 400 Billion!! With a capital B!! With a payoff that big, there’s no need for government money. Private ventures will be pushing and shoving to be the first to score.
Unless maybe they’re not convinced there’s a pot of gold at the end of that rainbow.
tom on January 14, 2008 at 8:19 PM
No, you really could not. Too many Christians are catered to by the Democrats. Why would they ever switch to a third party? This is the exact same reason why Huckabee will lose to Edwards, Obama or Hillary. Liberals will always vote for a Democrat over a Republican.
HebrewToYou on January 14, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Sure we might be a little unfair here but there is a huge element of truth to what we are saying. The fact of the matter popularpolitics is that if not for Evangelical Christians, Mike Huckabee would barely get any votes. I think 95% of all Huckabee votes in Iowa came from Born Agains. Now does this mean that all Evangelicals are just a flock of Huckster lemmings? No it doesn’t. If you look at the numbers less then 50% of Evangelicals actually voted for the Huckster. So, from that, we can conclude that the majority of Evangelicals are just as free thinking as any other group. Its just that nobody else other then them votes for this liberal tool.
Zetterson on January 14, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Let’s be fair. That wasn’t a tantrum. That was good old fashion “shuck’n and jive’n.”
Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 8:19 PM
I do think that McAmnesty will self destruct and will get really hurt afterwards considering that he used his donar list as collateral to get a loan for his campaign
ConservativePartyNow on January 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM
True enough, but regardless of our supplier any decrease in availability to any nation is going to effect us esp as China and India develop.
Spirit of 1776 on January 14, 2008 at 8:21 PM
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!!!
hillbillyjim on January 14, 2008 at 8:21 PM
I hope so, I’m sick and tired of the irrationals making the Republican party irrational.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Think bell shaped curve, way out on the edge. Helps with the heartburn.
a capella on January 14, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Speaking for myself, I think you have an excellent idea. If Huck wins the nomination or runs as a third party candidate he will split off liberal Christians from the Democrats and allow a conservative 3rd party candidate to easily win the White House.
But don’t think for a second that all Christians or even most Christians will vote for Huckabee. Most of those that do will be liberal Christians; conservative Christians will vote for the conservative candidate who is also likely to be Christian.
FloatingRock on January 14, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Excuse me…did you say the CHINESE are drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge?
Janna on January 14, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Well, we could open up ANWR, the Gulf, there are a few small deposits in the old oil producing places, there are oil shale deposits too, not a permanent solution, but we should open these as a temporary fix.
We should be increasing our number of nuclear reactors, deregulating the energy industry, looking to revitalize the energy grid, reducing taxes and regulations on businesses so that they can work towards a market solution. Universities should be using the funds they receive to advance energy tech, that’s what we pay the eggheads to do already, make ‘em work for it.
doubleplusundead on January 14, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Then why didn’t GOP-affiliated Christians vote for a conservative christian candidate in Iowa, FloatingRock?
HebrewToYou on January 14, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Harald and popularpolitics, just stop playing the Christian card please. Yeah, I find the insinuations from some that so far the Reagan coalition simply put up with the evangelicals insulting (I’m looking at you HebrewToYou), but you two don’t help anything by playing the Crhistian card so shamelessly.
As I said, say that you think Huckabee’s social stances trump everything else, or give some other explanation for your support, one that excludes trying to twist the facts.
“You know us Christians could form a third party and win!” That is complete and utter bull. We could not, and you’re naive if not stupid to think so.
So Huckabee panders shamelessly, and you buy it and think all of a sudden he is the evangelical candidate of consensus?
When you refer to Christians in general as supporting Huckabee, not only are you wrong, but you’re playing into his us v. them meme.
BranBresil on January 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM
They fundamentally only care about who says “Jesus” the most. The rest is windowdressing.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM
You know what the saddest thing about Hucksters is? The Huck-dude has been running around making money off of fundamentalists giving them movitational speeches about how he lost weight…through Jesus, diet, and exercise and more Jesus.
The truth: The carnival barker got his STOMACH STAPLED! Please tell me thats not obvious to anybody with a postive number IQ. The joke is on you Huckamaniacs. Mike Huck and his wife and his dog-torturing kid are laughing at you all the way to the bank!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
Roger Waters on January 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Sorry, That was to ihasurnominashun. I will learn to preview, someday.
Janna on January 14, 2008 at 8:26 PM
If you think its dumb when Huckabee says it, I would ask if you think it’s dumb when Rudy says it, or McCain, or Romney, or Clinton, or Obama, or Thompson?
It’s one of the very few issues that all of the candidates agree upon.
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Huck has no redeeming value. None. He is a piece of trash and belongs in the trash heap.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:27 PM
We should adopt Katrina as the “poster-child” for limited government. The media and dems like to say it’s an example of Bush incompetance. But I saw government fail on all levels… local, state and federal. And who stepped up to the plate? The churches, private charities, individual citizens, corporations like Carnival Cruise Lines. It was a shining example that government is not the answer.
Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 8:27 PM
The communist-inspired New Deal and Great Society condition the voters to ask any candidate “what are you going to do for me?” and since most of them don’t pay taxes to any large degree, cutting taxes isn’t a good enough answer. Democracies by their very nature are self-destructing, because the majority can always vote to extract more and more from a minority.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Spot on! Why is that a bad idea when said by a Christian?
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Huck was on the radio in Charlotte today and repeated the bit about the Supreme Court mandating a raise in taxes. I know I’m not a Governor or anything, but I SWEAR I read somewhere that the Supreme Court couldn’t pass laws.
I must have that wrong.
lodestonejames on January 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Christians for Nuclear Power. I like the sound of that.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:33 PM
FredHeads are donating $10 at 10:00 PM local time.
Invest in a future of smaller government and individual rights.
Red truck is lifting off, and at 10:00 the campaign servers will levitate.
$10 at 10. Vote with your wallet, err…credit card!
http://www.fred08.com
redneck hippie on January 14, 2008 at 8:33 PM
I don’t know, but I think a lot of them probably did, just not enough, and the ones that didn’t fall for Huckabee’s misinformation campaign wound up splitting their votes between two or more of the other candidates. There is a lot of triangulation going on in the Republican field right now, I think.
But more broadly, my point about most conservative Christians voting for a conservative was based on my hunch that evangelicals only comprise a portion of America’s Christian community and also, by November people will be more aware of Huckabee’s record and his misrepresentations of it.
FloatingRock on January 14, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Regardless of Huckabee…If Mccain wins I say it’s time for a third party!
We’ll call it the Conservative Party and return to the basics.
Strong national defense
Get rid of socialist income tax
Get out of UN
No amnesty and take away CFR/open borders agenda types power
HaraldHardrada on January 14, 2008 at 8:35 PM
I’ll be there. Maybe more than once!
RushBaby on January 14, 2008 at 8:36 PM
You can count this Fredhead in.
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Part of the problem, is we’re still mired in the New Deal/Great Society policies. If our democracy is threatened, it’s because those policies have made beggars of the voters.
Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Bingo.
HebrewToYou on January 14, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Muzzies would seeeeeethe…
RushBaby on January 14, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Weight of Glory on January 14, 2008 at 8:39 PM
A ture conservative would vote for ANY republican before Hillary or Obama. While I dislike some of the republican candidates I truely dislike the democrats.
The only benefit to a democratic win would be the country would finally see how horrible it is too give to much power to them. The last three Democratic presidents who had Democratic congresses behind them were all disasters.
William Amos on January 14, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Then Russia starves.
It’s kind of like that scene from ‘Blazing Saddles…’
(And they can’t ‘just refuse to sell to us.’ Oil is a fungible commodity, if they don’t sell it one place, others in the market do.)
snickelfritz on January 14, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Unfortunately, now we are in a situation similar to what a medieval doctor would find himself in when trying to treat a mild condition by bleeding. As the patient got worse and worse he would of course prescribe even more bleeding thereby killing the patient.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Dang. Wasn’t this a Jeri thread?
Man, she is smokin’ HOT!
wccawa on January 14, 2008 at 8:41 PM
By all means support a big government liberal because he is a bible-believing evangelical. It worked so well last time with that Jimmy Carter fellow. And look at how well he dealt with Iran!
phronesis on January 14, 2008 at 8:42 PM
I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that you’re correct.
HebrewToYou on January 14, 2008 at 8:43 PM
I think the whole evangelical thing is just because they assume he is conservative. I think when they learn what an assbag liberal he is, they’ll flip for Fred.
We just have to show them the truth. [His record and old speeches]
I would think many devoutly religious folk would be completely turned off by his whoring out of his church, position and beliefs for personal gain.
Maybe it is time for Fred to reinforce the “No money changers rule”
TheSitRep on January 14, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Fred’s got less than 6K to go before he pulls in…one million dollars. /Dr. Evil
doubleplusundead on January 14, 2008 at 8:44 PM
And the only thing to do in a case like that is change doctors.
Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I’ll be there. Maybe more than once!
RushBaby on January 14, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Alright, I guess you’re down with the “I’ll give for every time zone” contingent.
BTW, how many time zones are there? One guy is going to give his $10 before 10, ’cause he’s in Poland.
See ya at the donate now button!
http://www.fred08.com
redneck hippie on January 14, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I find them terribly unpalatable, too. But you make my point:
That’s exactly why voting for a liberal Democrat like Obama is far superior to voting for a liberal Republican like Huckabee. Better to let the country experience another Carter than to let our party disintegrate.
HebrewToYou on January 14, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Smartest thing you’ve said tonight.
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Well the Obama/Soros team will make Carter look like Ronald Reagan.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:49 PM
It took them 1000 years or so before they figured out that there is a better way. At the moment the populace is demanding more, because populism is better received than even four years ago.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM
If one morning while you were getting dressed for work a skunk somehow sneaked into your home and sprayed you and your wardrobe, would you be better off going to work anyway or would you call in sick or late and get cleaned up and buy some new cloths first?
FloatingRock on January 14, 2008 at 8:53 PM
I disagree. I know a lot of people working on that campaign. He’s not as shady a candidate as many here like to paint him. I’m no supporter, but if I had to choose between Obama and Huck it’s an easy choice.
HebrewToYou on January 14, 2008 at 8:53 PM
It’s the smartest thing I’ve said any night and….
hey, how come you’re so lucid and quiet tonight? Polite, almost…. what gives?
wccawa on January 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Unreal…
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:57 PM
I’m basically shy.
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 8:59 PM
I don’t think he is shady like Hillary, but Soros did personally finance his Senate run, Obama IS an admirer of Saul Alinsky, he DOES have a voting record (especially if you count his recent strategic abstentions) that’s even to the left of Hillary’s, he DID propose to withdraw the troops from Iraq faster than other dems, and he DOES have a record as a community organizer and a lawyer defending community organizers. You don’t need to be shady to do damage. True believers are often more damaging than panderers. That’s why I prefer Huck over Obama.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 8:59 PM
I don’t know that people want more populism. That failed in ‘04. Yeah, the press is all for it, but the people have yet to be heard convincingly.
What we really need is a powerful, eloquent spokesman for limited government. We need someone who can demonstrate through example how government makes things worse and advocate for how limited government can free the “power of the people.” For example… our current problems with health insurance were, in part, caused by an HMO bill that was passed in ‘73. Government tried to solve a problem and has made it worse. Social security is another example. We need a courageous leader willing to say, “Look, the Emperor has no clothes.”
Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Well Fred is pretty close, but in spite of all the pleadings and the success of the debate performance he refuses to be more forceful. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: all he needs is ONE piece of forceful theatrics before the primary and he will take SC. I understand the psychology in play: people need a confirmation that he is the one, they are begging for a confirmation, and if they don’t see it they will reject him. If they get it, they will vote him in.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Jeri Thompson for First Lady!
someguy on January 14, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Just the Jeri factor gets my vote. Does anyone remember the ugly farm that bill clinton made of the White House and Cabinet? Now Carvel and Albright are sculking out from under their rocks latley. YUK!
sonnyspats1 on January 14, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Thompsons problem isnt message its method. He is using the wrong methods to get his word out.
But then that has been a republican problem not just a thompson one.
William Amos on January 14, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Well, there is only one way to make that happen: Fred Thompson for first dude.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 9:07 PM
I think that they BOTH (Obama and Clinton) worked for Saul Alinsky, seperated by a decade or more. Am I right?
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Fred is good, but he’s not as effective as Reagan was. I was too young to follow Reagan in ‘80, but I’ve read the transcripts from his debates. They were very impressive. Very powerful.
Spolitics on January 14, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Completely true. Still, I’d be careful. Reagan had a history before he was President.
Wise Golden on January 14, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Neither one worked for him. Hillary was a kind of an almost-protege and wrote her much-suppressed thesis on him, but she declined to work for him and decided to defend radical black power folks in Oakland (and wound up doing mostly clerical work). Obama just likes him and has stated so. They both employ his tactics.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I believe our chickens have come home to roost.
Griz on January 14, 2008 at 9:14 PM
He is nowhere as good as a public communicator, but I like the way he thinks better than Reagan’s. He is truly a very special person. I got to really like him after his piece on Mahatma Ghandi. I just love how he is willing to take on sacred cows. The “virgins” joke was more daring than most people acknowledge.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Fred has just hit the $1mil jackpot!
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Fred’s at…one million dollars.
doubleplusundead on January 14, 2008 at 9:22 PM
God Willing and the Creek Don’t Rise .
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Is she trying to be the Republican version of Hillary Clinton?
OMG.
Chakra Hammer on January 14, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Give it up Chakra, she’s cool.
Igor R. on January 14, 2008 at 9:42 PM
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