Video: Hillary Clinton learns what it’s like to be a Republican on MTP Update: Hillary claims credit for the surge success; Clinton ally alludes to Obama’s past drug use

posted at 4:59 pm on January 13, 2008 by Bryan

Amusingly, the Politico headlines Hillary Clinton’s Meet the Press interview today “Hillary Clinton attacks Barack Obama.” The headline is somewhat inaccurate, as Clinton spent much of that interview defending herself from some dishonest attacks coming from the left. But it’s not entirely inaccurate, as she does use her defenses to poke holes in Obama’s record, or lack thereof. I guess I just “attacked” him too, by Politico’s way of thinking.

On the basic substance of the racially-tinged brouhaha between the Clinton machine and the Obama campaign, the Clintons have more of the facts on their side. That’s not to say that they are purer than snow or that they have all of the facts on their side. Both campaigns have played identity politics as the race has tightened, with Hillary first playing the girl card after her debacle in the Philadelphia debate and now Obama playing the race card starting a day or two before the New Hampshire primary. And the Clinton campaign has attempted to play the Muslim and drug cards against Obama, gambits that failed and that Hillary lies about in this interview. But on substance, the columnists and commenters who are accusing the Clintons of belittling Martin Luther King or of calling the entire Obama campaign a “fairy tale” are being dishonest. The fact is Obama hasn’t done enough to be able to honestly compare himself to either MLK or JFK, and he has made both comparisons and been given a pass by the press for it. But when the Clinton machine has pointed this out, they’ve been hit hard with racial politics from the Obama camp and its surrogates and waiting allies in the Democrat party. Dishonesty from Bob Herbert and Donna Brazile is nothing new. What is new is that the dishonesty is being directed at the Clintons instead of in their service.

In the interview on Meet the Press today (edited for brevity), Hillary Clinton tries to climb down from the petard from which she dangles. It’s an identity politics petard that she and nearly all Democrats have been wielding against Republicans for decades.

“This is, you know, a, a — an unfortunate story line that the Obama campaign has pushed very successfully. They’ve been putting out talking points. They’ve been making this — they’ve been telling people, in a very selective way, what the facts are.”

Predictably, the Silky One is defending the more dishonest faction and siding with the Obama camp.

“I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change that came not through the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician,” said Edwards in front of a congregation of nearly 300 people.

“I fundamentally disagree with that. Those who believe that real change starts with Washington politicians have been in Washington too long and are living a fairytale.”

This Democrat infighting will probably leave some lasting rifts in the party, but there’s little about it for Republicans to take any joy in. We can enjoy the bloodletting now but whether the nominee turns out to be Clinton or Obama, or a ticket that includes both, rest assured that identity politics will be the Democrats’ first, second, third and last angle of attack from the convention through the election. And if they don’t win, they’ll denounce America as either being too sexist to elect them or too racist to elect them. Or both.

Update: Hillary also used the MTP interview to claim credit for the success of the troop surge in Iraq. You know, the one that she opposed the whole time.

Update: Questioning whether Obama is qualified to be president isn’t an “attack.” He’s not (and neither is Hillary). But this…this sounds like an attack.

Here is what [BET founder Bob] Johnson said today:

“I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood that I won’t say what he was doing but he said it in his book.”

When Clinton spokesman Jay Carson was asked about Johnson’s comments, he denied they referred to Obama’s admitted drug use. “That’s not what he was talking about,” he said.

The Clinton campaign’s excuse is that he might have been talking about Obama’s community activities. That doesn’t even pass the laugh out loud test.


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Three strikes and yer OUT. Russert best watch his back. That’s his second offense.

petefrt on January 13, 2008 at 7:24 PM

“More drug courts & rehab, instead of incarceration
Drug education fails; drug punishment works
Supports drug courts for non-violent drug offendors
Stricter penalties for drug-related crimes
Treatment for drug use instead of incarceration
More federal funding for all aspects of Drug War”
muyoso on January 13, 2008 at 7:16 PM

what is so confusing about that?

Drug related violent crimes more punishment

Convictions for taking drugs..treatment

Sounds exactly the way it should be. Why flood the prisons with people whose only crime was taking drugs?

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 7:26 PM

@ HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Bio fuels are stupid. They are just as dirty as regular fuel, and they take up farmland to produce fuel. They arent a viable alternative. Although I agree with him on this one issue of alternative energy, please respond to his GIGANTIC hypocrisy please.

muyoso on January 13, 2008 at 7:27 PM

They`d consider Condi white so they`d still say we`re sexist or racist. ANY person of color on our side is labeled white so there is no way we can avoid their charges.

ThePrez on January 13, 2008 at 7:34 PM

muyoso on January 13, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Who cares if bio fuels are as dirty as regular fuel?

90% of all pollution comes from coal powered power plants!

transportation fuels emmisions take up approx. 5-7% big deal!

As far as farmland goes, energy crops are non food crops such as algae and miscanthus that are planted on previously unused land!

Besides, the majority of biomass comes from landfill waste and industrial waste!

Simply replace coal power plants with clean burning nuclear plants and use coal to produce synthetic oil. You have a net decrease in pollution 85-90% and 100% of our fuel is made domestically.

Energy Independence will be the one thing that will take down the islamists and the russians…

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Frustrating, isn’t it.
Bryan on January 13, 2008 at 7:17 PM

What’s frustrating is how people like me left the Democratic for the Republican because of Bill Clinton’s insane taxation and heavy handed DOJ abusing our civil rights only to have the Republicans abandon the Contract With America and destroy the trust we allowed them.
Now we have Huckabee and McCain as frontrunners. McCain who’s done everything in his power to neuter the conservative while he hides behind his support of the war and Huckabee who hides his fakery behind Jesus.

Beto Ochoa on January 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM

@ HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 7:26 PM

You are seriously on some sort of awesome drug, and I need to know its name quick.

Explain this:

Huckabee: Stricter penalties for drug-related crimes
Huckabee: Treatment for drug use instead of incarceration

Huckabee: Pathway to citizenship must start at back of line, out of US
Huckabee: Path to citizenship if illegals admit guilt & pay fine

Huckabee: Limit campaign contributions, but no public funding
Huckabee: Disclose political gifts, but don’t prohibit them

Huckabee: Don’t judge Iraq war while we’re in the middle of the war
Huckabee: Iraq war has made us overlook domestic agenda

Huckabee: No affirmative action for state contracts nor colleges
Huckabee: Support principles embodied in the Equal Rights Amendment

And then of course there is the real side of Huckabee which is always consistant:

Huckabee: Support principles embodied in the Equal Rights Amendment
Huckabee: Impeach judges for barring legislature prayers to Jesus
Huckabee: Support displaying the Ten Commandments in public schools
Huckabee: Trade sanctions on Saudi Arabia for persecuting Christians

Your candidate is a joke. As long as there are super religious people who dont care about policy but care about getting “god’s” candidate into office, sure he will get some votes. But there is no way he could EVER win the election, HIllary or Obama would tear him apart, and the country would look at him as some super religious wacko coming out of the republican party.

muyoso on January 13, 2008 at 7:37 PM

@ HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 7:35 PM

That is a lie, we simply do not have enough land to create the amount of biofuel needed to support this country. It CANNOT happen. We would have to import the fuel JUST like we do now from Brazil, they make a majority of biofuels used in the US. It just isnt viable. Building Nuclear plants across the country, and getting rid of coal plants, while turning cars to run on electric, now THAT is something that could work. And no, not the gay little Prius electric cars, cars like the Tesla.

muyoso on January 13, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Hillary Clinton tries to climb down from the petard from which she dangles.

Just for the record, a petard is not a lifting device, and one cannot dangle from one. It is (or rather, was) an early form of grenade. The phrase “hoist by his own petard” thus means, roughly, “blown up by his own grenade”.

HTL on January 13, 2008 at 7:41 PM

I loved watching Hillary squirm and twitch every time TR screwed her down. Her excuse for every thing was “It’s unfair”. That line didn’t work on TR. I wonder if Hildebeast thinks Kim Jun Whackjob and Aloonyboonyblab will be intimidated by it?

csdeven on January 13, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Hey, sometimes you just have to have good thoughts and believe in magical things. Every once in awhile I’m inspired to do just that.

wccawa on January 13, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Surging out of New Hampshire, John McCain now leads the national Republican race over Mike Huckabee, 33% to 18%.

o McCain leads among conservatives as well as moderates.

o McCain is now seen as most electable in November.

o Four in ten Republican primary voters say Iowa and New Hampshire’s results have affected their decisions at least somewhat.

o Support for former national front-runner

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/jan08c-republicans.pdf

bnelson44 on January 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Bryan,

I think you’d better look up the definition of “petard.”

:)

mikeyboss on January 13, 2008 at 7:58 PM

muyoso on January 13, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Right. We only have 1.3 billion acres of farmland and are using a whole 300 million acres now. Somehow that means we have no room to expand, in your opinion.

Besides what part of landfill waste biomass has anything to do with cropland?

America is the saudi arabia of biomass and has enough renewable biomass sources to fuel America, EU and India and a large portion of china.

But don’t take my word for it…I’m only an expert and my firm jeffries is the leading investment bank for biofuels and synthetic fuels financing and produces the most accurate and in depth research.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Where has Obama played the race card? Sounds to me like Bryan has bought into the Clinton campaign’s line.

Nonfactor on January 13, 2008 at 8:04 PM

I cannot stand McCain and would never vote for him.

CCRWM on January 13, 2008 at 8:09 PM

If I have to vote for McCain I will.
Anything but the Clintons again.

johnnyU on January 13, 2008 at 8:13 PM

But don’t take my word for it…I’m only an expert and my firm jeffries is the leading investment bank for biofuels and synthetic fuels financing and produces the most accurate and in depth research.

Then why, exactly, have you neglected to mention the fact that biofuels COST more in energy inputs to produce them, then they provide when consumed?

Oh that’s right… your firm is the leading investment bank for biofuels, and therefore you stand to make money by promoting them

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Mccain Vs. Hillary: the amnesty candidate Vs. the amnesty candidate!

Learn to love the Huck!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Oh that’s right… your firm is the leading investment bank for biofuels, and therefore you stand to make money by promoting them

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!

And, thus, all is explained, and order is restored to the HA universe.

wccawa on January 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Biomass to Oil costs approx $15 per barrel to produce.

Coal to Oil costs approx $15-$20 per barrel depending on the price of coal.

Compare to $100 per barrel oil from muslim countries.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Mccain or Huckabee Vs. Hillary: the amnesty candidate Vs. the amnesty candidate!

Learn to love the Huck Fred!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Fixed it for you.

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM

i watched the interview…. HRC was treated like Newt Gingrich after he won speaker of the house. NICE

custer on January 13, 2008 at 8:26 PM

SECOND LOOK AT PETARDS!

baldilocks on January 13, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Biomass to Oil costs approx $15 per barrel to produce.

What a convenient lie of omission.

Specifically, you have omitted the cost to produce the biomass, the cost to transport the biomass, the increased food prices due to diversion of agriculture toward biomass fiel, the lower energy density of biomass fiels… oh, and the subsidies provided to the biomass fuel industry, to the tune of 51 cents per gallon in the case of ethanol.

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 8:33 PM

*sigh* Fuels, not “fiels”…

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 8:34 PM

Learn to love the Fred!
Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Actually Huck has a huge strong base of supporters and really has a chance of defeating Mcamnesty….fred on the other hand doesn’t.

Fred can barely make it thru 2 townhall meetings before getting worn out…

He’s the laziest man I’ve ever seen run for president!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:34 PM

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:34 PM

As expected, attack Fred and ignore the policy issue. Huckabee = amnesty.

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Since you ignored me in the other thread I’ll bring it here:

There is not much time left.

We desperately need to defeat John Mccain.

Mike Huckabee is the only candidate capable of beating Juan Mcamnesty. Like him or not he is the only candidate capable of defeating Mccain.

Not only would Juan Mccain make a terrible president and would destroy the country with his amnesty for illegals and family reunification plans…he has NO chance of beating the dems. 80% of the country is against amnesty for illegals and would not vote for Mr. Amnesty

Mccain is 72 years old and has many problems with skin cancer…at 72 Juan is the oldest candidate to ever run for president. Believe it or not more people are biased against a elderly candidate than A. a women candidate B. a black candidate or C. a mormon candidate

Mccain would lose the general election don’t let the liberal and saudi muslim owned media dictate who our nominee is!

Face it… it is either Mccain or Huckabee make the right choice

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 5:35 PM

How is giving in-state tuition to illegals or calling the bill opposing such aid “un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life” any better than what McCain was pushing? How about his support of giving illegals drivers licenses? Why should I believe that Huckabee wouldn’t sign an amnesty bill, opening the gates to even more illegals. His record sure makes me think he would fully support amnesty.

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Actually Huck has a huge strong base of supporters and really has a chance of defeating Mcamnesty….fred on the other hand doesn’t.

Fred can barely make it thru 2 townhall meetings before getting worn out…

He’s the laziest man I’ve ever seen run for president!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:34 PM

Dude, for an investment banker, your ad hominem attacks are really lame. You need to take some lessons from some of the other trolls.

C’mon… try harder?

wccawa on January 13, 2008 at 8:37 PM

kiltedscotsman:

I’m mainly talking about Biomass to synthetic oil and coal to synthetic oil BTW

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Oh, and while the price of oil is, indeed, in the neighborhood of $100 per barrel, that is an artificially high price, due to a peculiar but momentary conversion of geo-political tensions, environmental paranoia, and government interference. As with all artificial price spikes, only a fool would expect it to last.

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Regarding the futility of corn-ethanol:

David Pimental, a leading Cornell University agricultural expert, has calculated that powering the average U.S. automobile for one year on ethanol (blended with gasoline) derived from corn would require 11 acres of farmland, the same space needed to grow a year’s supply of food for seven people. Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion into ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make one gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTUS. Thus, 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in it. Every time you make one gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTUs.

Sounds like a perpetual motion machine. Can I sell you one of those?

Not to mention that the price of corn in Mexico has quadrupled partially because of this subsidized ruse, encouraging more and more illegal aliens.

A winning strategy all around.

fred5678 on January 13, 2008 at 8:42 PM

HaraldHardrada–

May I ask if you are the same person who (in the past) posted on endussupportofisrael ??? or perhaps at digitalbrownshirt??

LodeStar on January 13, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Gianni:

Huckabee does not support amnesty! He is the only candidate who doesn’t…Fred claims to but yet he is trying desperately to help Mccain win.. watch when Fred drops out(long overdue already) he will endorse Mccain!

in state tuition to AMERICAN CITZENS is what you meant to say I guess. If you are born in America you are technically an American.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:44 PM

LodeStar on January 13, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Huh? No I wholeheartedly support Israel.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Huh? No I wholeheartedly support Israel.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Good deal. Seems someone else has the same nick and their posts were a bit unusual. Thanks for clearing that up.

LodeStar on January 13, 2008 at 8:50 PM

Huckabee does not support amnesty!

Never mind most of his record over ten years as Arkansas’ governor.

It’s not as though Huckabee has shown any lack of scruples regarding saying what he thinks voters want to hear…

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 8:53 PM

Oh that’s right… your firm is the leading investment bank for biofuels, and therefore you stand to make money by promoting them

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM

No actually I stand to go out of business if the democrats win! They hate both Bio fuels and energy independence!
Clinton said in 92 (when we imported 40% of our oil)that he would make us energy independent… by the time he left office we were importing nearly 60%!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM

No actually I stand to go out of business if the democrats win! They hate both Bio fuels and energy independence!

Number one, I really don’t see how this statement in any way contradicts what I wrote.

Number two, the energy bill just passed (which was an enormous boost to biomass fuel concerns, among other things) was created, sponsored, and passed by a DEMOCRAT Congress and Senate, with the help of a select few RINO legislators. In claiming that Dems are enemies of alternative fuels (Clinton’s own lies notwithstanding), you are lying through your teeth.

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Gianni:

Huckabee does not support amnesty! He is the only candidate who doesn’t…Fred claims to but yet he is trying desperately to help Mccain win.. watch when Fred drops out(long overdue already) he will endorse Mccain!

in state tuition to AMERICAN CITZENS is what you meant to say I guess. If you are born in America you are technically an American.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Why should I believe him when his record is the exact opposite?

Gov. Mike Huckabee Thursday denounced a bill by Sen. Jim Holt that would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life.

Holt, R-Springdale, replied later that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking.

Senate Bill 206, filed Wednesday, also would require proof of citizenzhip to register to vote and would require state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally.

“Something that’s not worth sharing is not worth celebrating,” Huckabee said. “This is the kind of country that opens its doors. This bill expresses an un-American attitude.”

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html

I’m sorry, but that does not make me believe he is against shamnesty.

How about this one?

Robert Trevino, as Gov. Huckabee’s liaison to the Department of Human Services, was Huckabee’s spokesman on this issue. It was his job to express Huckabee’s position to the media and within the government. He did just that. Speaking on behalf of his boss, Mike Huckabee, he advocated changing the law to allow illegal aliens to get Arkansas driver’s licenses so that legal immigrants wouldn’t be “hassled”.

http://arkjournal.com/2007/11/newsflash-mike-huckabee-supported-bill.html

Giving driver licenses to illegals is anti-amnesty? He has given me no reason to believe he doesn’t still support these things.

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 9:01 PM

That’s why all of the weak and halfhearted things the dems signed were first proposed by Bush in his state of the union address.. the useless dem congress finally signed over a year later.

I can’t blame them though they’ve been awfully busy naming post offices and trying to prevent money and supplies from going to troops all this time

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Huckabee does not support drivers licences to illegals that is hussein obama and the hildebeast you are thinking of.

Find me something where huckabee actually said that…wait, you can’t.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:07 PM

Huckabee does not support drivers licences to illegals that is hussein obama and the hildebeast you are thinking of.

Find me something where huckabee actually said that…wait, you can’t.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:07 PM

His spokesman said that, if he didn’t agree with what his spokesman said then he shouldn’t have had that person as his spokesman.

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 9:08 PM

No actually his spokesman said: “We just don’t want to be treated as second class. WE DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PROHIBITING ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM GETTING DRIVER’S LICENCES. We have a problem with hassling those who are here legitimately.”

get your slanders straight.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:14 PM

How does we don’t have a problem with prohibiting illegals from getting licences translate to we want illegals to get driver’s licences??

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:16 PM

Im Comin to ya on a bible thumpin’ road
With all my preachin’ I got a great big load
And when you hear me you’ll really hear somethin’
So dont worry cause Im Jesus’s favorite and Im a comin’

Im God’s man
Im God’s man
Im God’s man
Im God’s man

Got what I got the easy way
And Ill make $25,000 from those church’s I milk each and every day
So sheeple dont you fret
Cause you aint seen nothin’ yet

Im God’s man
Im God’s man
Play it Chuck!
Im God’s man
Im God’s man

Listen
I was brought up on an Arkansas church street
I learned how to fleece the flock almost before I could eat
I was educated by watchin those televangelists rock
When I start grabin’ the loot I just cant stop

Im God’s man
Im God’s man
Im God’s man
Im God’s man

Well grab my line and Ill suck you in
Give you hope and be your and Jesus’ best friend
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Im God’s man
Im God’s man
Im God’s man
Im God’s man

MB4 on January 13, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell Mike Huckabee in the asno.

MB4 on January 13, 2008 at 9:23 PM

– Barry Goldwater

MB4 on January 13, 2008 at 9:24 PM

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:16 PM

It appears you believe the bill Bush and McCain was pushing was amnesty? I know I do. It appears Huck doesn’t however.

Explain this:

Mr. Huckabee said he approved of virtually everything in the Monday night speech on immigration by Mr. Bush, including his National Guard and guest-worker initiatives, even though that agreement put Mr. Huckabee at odds, he said, with some fellow conservative Republicans.
—- “I do believe some of it is driven by racism or nativism,” he said of the opposition within his party to Mr. Bush’s view that illegal aliens should not be deported but rather fined and eventually allowed U.S. citizenship.
—- “It’s not amnesty to make people pay for breaking the law,” Mr. Huckabee said.
—- As president, he said, he would have no problem working on common goals with fellow Arkansan Bill Clinton or with other Democrats for that matter.

If you still believe that he doesn’t support amnesty there is no hope for you as it appears you support amnesty as well.

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 9:29 PM

forgot to put a link

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Barry Goldwater was no Ronald Reagan.

Huckabee on the other hand is the closest thing to Reagan this election hands down.

Maybe you’re forgetting that Reagan was what mksmithwriter would call a religious fanatic lunatic!

Didn’t Goldwater endorse ron paul way back… Goldwater jr. is endorsing him now.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Huckabee on the other hand is the closest thing to Reagan this election hands down.

Only if you believe that Reagan actually supported increasing taxes and the 86 amnesty.

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Gianni: Try to stick with real sources not BS ones.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM

Gianni: Try to stick with real sources not BS ones.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM

If you read it you would know that came from the Washington Times, unfortunately the origional article isn’t online anymore. The Washington Times isn’t a real source?

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 9:41 PM

Huckabee on the other hand is the closest thing to Reagan this election hands down.

COMPLETELY disagree.. the focal point of Reagan was his economic viewpoint. He slashed taxes for the rich.. which gave incentive for the rich to produce more, which actually INCREASED the taxes paid by the richest of Americans (similar to the Bush tax cuts, but you don’t hear much about that).

Huckabee has vocally been anti-big business and more of the “middle class conservative”.. that can be his shtick, but it’s far from Reaganesk.

henzou on January 13, 2008 at 9:42 PM

henzou, Gianni… givei t up. Harald has already shown no scruples with regard to the truth; at this point you are mud-wrestling with a pig (“you just get dirty and the pig likes it.”) I have no idea what Harald’s agenda is, and I don’t really care. When someone lies as consistently as this one has, it becomes clear that debate is pointless.

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 9:47 PM

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:40 PM

Once again, he has given me no reason to believe he has changed his mind. Why would I believe his website?

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Huckabee is the most pro business candidate out there.

He’s actually proposing to get rid of the many layers of anti competitive bureacracy,the IRS, tax lobbyists and the socialist income tax altogether.

Mike Huckabee is a believer in supply side economics which is a proven concept.

But I disagree about Reagans focal point. I say it was his very vocal faith that was what brought us as a nation through the cold war and mobilized democrats to become republicans.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Reagan: Tax Cutter
Huckabee: Taxer

Reagan: Free Trader
Huckabee: Anything but

Reagan: Cut income tax rates
Huckabee: Favors flawed tax idea

Reagan: Fought entire life against Soviet Union
Huckabee: Which way is the wind blowing?

Reagan: Views known and fought for for years
Huckabee: National/foreign views unknown — running away from his past views

And Reagan as a religious fanatic lunatic?

Reagan: Openly casual churchgoer
Huckabee: Former Baptist minister trying to win over the Evangelical conservative base through his faith.

henzou on January 13, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Kiltedscotsman: Youy better back it up with something if you’re going to call me a liar!

You make me ashamed to have part Scottish blood.

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM

And before you say anything about Huckabee signing a “no tax” agreement or talk about his newly found political views (ironic timing).. I’m saying that based upon his PAST RECORD. Which is a pretty solid indicator for the future.

As the great Ronald Reagan would say: “Facts are stubborn things.”

henzou on January 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Reagan raised taxes in california by a billion dollars it would amount to 10 billion today but yet we all agree he was the best president ever!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 9:57 PM

I have no idea what Harald’s agenda is, and I don’t really care.

I’m guessing his agenda is to get amnesty passed.

Gianni on January 13, 2008 at 9:57 PM

lol!

I live in Los Angeles…. I do NOT want amnesty.

Los Angeles is perhaps the only U.S. city with 10 million illegal aliens or more!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Reagan raised taxes in california by a billion dollars it would amount to 10 billion today but yet we all agree he was the best president ever!

That’s a valid point. Unfortunately Reagan has a track record of becoming the Reagan we remember. Huckabee only has the promise that he WILL be like Reagan. I don’t believe it. Especially as much as he’s been dogging the American pharmaceutical and oil companies. I obviously believe something has to be done in those two areas, but he sounds like a liberal when he speaks on those issues.

henzou on January 13, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Agree with all you said Danno, until I got to your (above) statement. You vote for her, and we’re no longer friends :)

Entelechy on January 13, 2008 at 6:42 PM

IF Huck-a-wannabee-conservative wins the republican nomination then I’ll be staying home on election night, but perhaps you could explain what difference there would be if I did vote for Cigarman’s shrew instead of Huckawannabe. I personally see no difference at all. He’ll jump at the chance to raise taxes, pass the damnable ILLEGAL Alien Amnesty bill, and spend much of his time kissing up to the worst politicians the godless liberals have to offer.

DannoJyd on January 13, 2008 at 10:06 PM

IF Huck-a-wannabee-conservative wins the republican nomination then I’ll be staying home on election night, but perhaps you could explain what difference there would be if I did vote for Cigarman’s shrew instead of Huckawannabe. I personally see no difference at all. He’ll jump at the chance to raise taxes, pass the damnable ILLEGAL Alien Amnesty bill, and spend much of his time kissing up to the worst politicians the godless liberals have to offer.

DannoJyd on January 13, 2008 at 10:06 PM

If Huckabee wins the nomination you don’t even have to worry about showing up. The Democrats will win the Presidency by a landslide.

henzou on January 13, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Hillary also used the MTP interview to claim credit for the success of the troop surge in Iraq. You know, the one that she opposed the whole time.

It’s ironic that her take on the surge success is taking the surge out altogether. Maybe it is good for the Iraq government to be scared that security will be taken from them if they don’t get their act together.

But the link that gateway pundit shows
has Clinton (D-NY) as ‘Yea’, so doesn’t that mean she did support it here? Am I missing something?

glasschariot on January 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Huckabee is the only candidate who will draw away the millions and millions of independents and democrats who hate Hillary and find Huckabee to be refreshingly honest and genuine!

Almost every democrat I’ve talked to says they hate Hillary and would vote for Huckabee if he opposed her!

Even Hillary supporters admit he is a good man!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt politician in America,
everybody knows that!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Huckabee is the only candidate who will draw away the millions and millions of independents and democrats who hate Hillary and find Huckabee to be refreshingly honest and genuine!

Almost every democrat I’ve talked to says they hate Hillary and would vote for Huckabee if he opposed her!

Even Hillary supporters admit he is a good man!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 10:23 PM

He genuinely seems like a good man, but unfortunately I completely disagree with you on his electibility. Your problem is exactly what you said.. democrats like him. Why? His liberal record. I want substance, not avoiding serious questions with whitty comments.

I don’t know who you’ve talked to, but many of my conservative friends would stay home if he were the Republican candidate. Unfortunately his track record does not excite a CONSERVATIVE base. He may be a hell of a democratic candidate, though.

This coming from an old Huck supporter (and shamefully, donor). I’ve done my homework on him since. He’s a funny guy.. he has a great personality.. but he’s not a conservative. At least his track record says he hasn’t been.. and what else do we have to go by?

henzou on January 13, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Hahahahah, Edwards said:

“I fundamentally disagree with that. Those who believe that real change starts with Washington politicians have been in Washington too long and are living a fairytale.

Did he go on to say the following – “So, if you want change, elect me as the number 1 Washington politician” ? Lol, what a retard. The Dems (and even GOP) are pushing this whole “change” nonsense, and want to be elected President (i.e. the biggest Washington politician you can be) to bring “change”… Yet he comes out to say that Washington politicians don’t start change? WTF? Then again, he’s the moron who has convinced a bunch of far lefties that he’s the most anti-war guy in the bunch… when in the 2004 primaries he was THE pro-war Democrat who told Chris Matthews that he’d have acted exactly as Bush did at the UN and on invading Iraq. Man is he scum.

RightWinged on January 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Harald,

You assume I have any interest in debating you. I do not; I speak only to what is obvious from reading your words. You lie about biofuels costing less in energy inputs than oil; you lie about Huckabee’s record on immigration, you lie about Huckabee with regard to business. “The most pro-business candidate out there”??? Please. At least try for something believable. This is the same man, for example, who referred to the Club for Growth as the “Club For Greed, and attacked Romney (AND played the class warfare card” with his line about “the guy who laid you off.”

Huckabee is no conservative, and what I can’t figure out is whether you are boosting him because you truly support him, or because you think he is the Republican candidate that your Dem candidate of choice can most easily defeat.

Either way, it doesn’t matter; your statements bear so little resemblance to reality that we can all reasonably hold those Untruths to be entirely self-evident.

kiltedscotsman5 on January 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM

don’t know who you’ve talked to, but many of my conservative friends would stay home if he were the Republican candidate.

henzou on January 13, 2008 at 10:33 PM

So it would be the republicans that would force a Hildebeast presidency upon us??

I don’t think so…. they’ll complain about it now but when it comes down to it… they’re all talk

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM

I so totally HATE her so much, I tried watching Russert this morning but as soon as she came on, I was just overwhelmed with so much revulsion all I could do was say “MUST AVERT EYES” and click the remote to another channel.

Glad to hear from you folks he actually made her squirm some, and that he refused to go easy on her. Whatta concept, a liberal journalist on a liberal network who actually tightens the thumbscrews on the liberal queen without hesistation. Who’d of thunk. Russert appears to really have some stones. Pretty courageous to challenge her given who he works for…UNLESS his management has already collectively decided they’re Obama people. Maybe that explains it.

Sounds like his handling was sure better than Lambchop Blitzer, who always gives her a pass regardless.

Shirotayama on January 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Are you aware of the startling difference between Mike Huckabee and Hillary Clinton!

Are you aware of the drastically different directions they would take this country in…..and how a Hillary presidency now would damage this country irreparably?

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM

If Huckabee wins the nomination you don’t even have to worry about showing up. The Democrats will win the Presidency by a landslide.

henzou on January 13, 2008 at 10:10 PM

That too is true even if Huck-a-wannabe conservative wins the presidency.

Huckabee is the only candidate who will draw away the millions and millions of independents and democrats who hate Hillary and find Huckabee to be refreshingly honest and genuine!

Almost every democrat I’ve talked to says they hate Hillary and would vote for Huckabee if he opposed her!

Even Hillary supporters admit he is a good man!

HaraldHardrada on January 13, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Balderdash and poppycock! I might believe that the Cigarman’s shrew supporters think Huck-a-wannabe-conservative is the male version of her but your story is most certainly pure fiction.

DannoJyd on January 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM

This debate and discussion will end if you never respond to the Huck trolls.

They’ll learn quick that it’s no fun to talk to themselves.

Mcguyver on January 14, 2008 at 12:15 AM

but perhaps you could explain what difference there would be if I did vote for Cigarman’s shrew instead of Huckawannabe.

DannoJyd on January 13, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Staying home w/b more noble and you wouldn’t feel dirty.

Entelechy on January 14, 2008 at 1:00 AM