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posted at 10:10 pm on January 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Dang, I like this guy when he talks.
Why is his campaign so iffy?
Fred, Fire your staff!!
tlclark on January 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM
If Huck has training wheels, Fred! is popping wheelies. Solid QotD.
warrenmr on January 13, 2008 at 10:16 PM
I think Fred finds it pretty easy to crush Huckabee with facts, reason, and logic.
Huck comes off as a petty immature candidate that is used to getting his way.
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
TheSitRep on January 13, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Haha.. amen, Fred.
henzou on January 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Is it too late for Fred, or could he still make it? He’s the one I’d most like to support, but it’s hard to tell if he’s serious.
Esthier on January 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM
I really like the way that Fred has framed this argument within the context of defending the Reagan coalition. Meaning, using Reaganism from which to criticize Huck instead of just, say, Romney’s contrast ads. There is the sense of, dare I say, moral authority with that.
Spirit of 1776 on January 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM
What is wrong with the GOP base? I can’t for the life of me figure out why Fred Thompson isn’t the presumptive nominee…
America needs Fred Thompson!
JetBoy on January 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Go Fred GO! Crush the Huckster like a dove (any KU fans out there?).
I didn’t see this interview. Anyone know how he answered the McCain question?
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Go Fred Go
jp on January 13, 2008 at 10:20 PM
GO FRED GO. huck sucks
custer on January 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Exactly, Huckabee comes across as an irresponsible frat boy. Problem is that Fred probably isn’t going to get enough independent votes to win if he were the candidate. I believe Rudy could. Particularly if Hillary is the Democratic candidate. If it is Hillary vs Rudy, the independents are going to break Rudy. If it is Hillary vs anyone else, the independents stay home. If it is Obama against anyone, the independents vote Obama.
crosspatch on January 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM
the real question is whether Fred could win the general election vs. Hillary? would he hold Florida and ohio?
jp on January 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Perception.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:22 PM
More evidence that Fred is providing cover fire for McCain if you ask me.
lorien1973 on January 13, 2008 at 10:22 PM
nah, I think the real question of the moment is… can Fred win South Carolina? Man, I hope so.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Nice. Next I hope he addresses Wolf’s excellent question–how does Fred contrast with John McCain. That question was a perfect way for Fred to maturely and professionally address McCain’s shamnest support, et al.
Fred shouldn’t dwell on the Huckabee issue too much. I agree with Rush Limbaugh in that Huckabee is the MSM’s candidate of choice. Let’s forget Huck and see the debates between Romney, McCain and Thompson.
Montana on January 13, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Blame America first… Ain’t that the truth!
So now Huck-a-wannabe-conservative is playing Cigarman-like politics? How anti-climatic as that should have been expected from this closet liberal.
Training wheels indeed.
DannoJyd on January 13, 2008 at 10:24 PM
I think it’s strategy. Fred can attack the Huckster and use the waves from that to ride over both him and McCain… er, maybe, hopefully.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Go Fred Go We here in S.C. will tell you sat. how much we like Fred .He will win
thmcbb on January 13, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Just let Fred drive his car.
Fred!
RobertInAustin on January 13, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Well, it’s a little early to throw out Huckabee, but at least…at this point…we’d all get so much more out of the debates if it were whittled down to five: McCain, Huck, Thompson, Giuliani, and Mitt.
JetBoy on January 13, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Fred just might pass everyone…GO FRED!
Snooper on January 13, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Don’t kid yourself. Fred goes out of the way not to go after McCain.
lorien1973 on January 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Fred’s the only one I will feel good about supporting. He is a conservative, and I like him. It’s a bitter shame that his campaign has been so careless and uninspiring.
Anyone else gets in, and we’ll be holding our noses as we vote. And who the hell are these knuckleheads in the polls who want to support McCain and Hickleberry?
Jaibones on January 13, 2008 at 10:27 PM
GO FRED GO!
DannoJyd on January 13, 2008 at 10:27 PM
go Fred….
doriangrey on January 13, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Maybe, but there is also good reason not to attack a bonafide war hero. The Huckster, mmm, not so much.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM
If he’s the nominee, you can throw sexism and racism out the window in favor of ageism from the dinosaur media and their buddies in the democrat party!
SouthernGent on January 13, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Where’s the quote. Boring. Blah, blah, blah….
Fred: “I’m talkin” bout givin’ terrorist the top notch DC insider legal defense they deserve…” That’s his best quote.
tommylotto on January 13, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Not enough ’style’ for you tommylotto? I hear the Huckster has loads of ’style’.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Fred Thompson, the last great hope of the conservative blogsphere
jp on January 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM
What did Fred say about McCain? If Fred was serious about winning he’d start opening up a can on him, polishing it up, turning it sideways, and sticking it up his candy a**.
CABE on January 13, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I actually think it’s hard to tell if Huck is serious. You know with all the cute little Metamucil jokes and stuff.
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM
I’m no blogger, just a conservative concerned about the direction of the Republican party. Boring, huh?
Go Fred!
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM
If Fred wants to continue crumbling away Huckabee’s conservative credentials, why hasn’t he touted his endorsment by the AR Republican Assembly yet?
steadyrock on January 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM
There’s reason for some hesitancy about going after McCain too hard. You can’t throw pudding in his eye; he’s a war hero.
frankj on January 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM
The real question is if Huck is simply a lier or a lier and a moron.
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 10:36 PM
If Fred had half the style of Huck (plus didn’t have a history as a corrupt lobbyist and terrorist lawyer) he’d have my vote.
tommylotto on January 13, 2008 at 10:36 PM
I don’t think he’d ever have your vote. What would you do without constantly bashing him?
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I guess that means you like Fred’s conservative resume? Well you must be in love with the Huckster’s conservative past. Oh wait, he doesn’t have one.
If you are voting largely on style, which you just admitted, then you have no one but yourself to blame.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM
There are many reasons, like maybe he only endorses candidates that don’t attack him when he concedes.
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I enjoy his acting
tommylotto on January 13, 2008 at 10:41 PM
It’s probably going to be a McCain/Thompson ticket. If Fred knocks Huckabee out of SC, that helps McCain and Mac is likely to choose Fred as a runningmate.
ThackerAgency on January 13, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Very true. The great question is why. I don’t know if we’ll get an answer to it either.
Spirit of 1776 on January 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Is it too late for Fred, or could he still make it? He’s the one I’d most like to support, but it’s hard to tell if he’s serious.
Esthier on January 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM
I see you bought the new merdia spin. I like Fred but its too late. give me a break we have 48 elections to go. This is almost the same thing that happened to his senate campaign. He was behind, he came out and tols his story to the people and they loved it. Fred is the best hope for the Rep party. I read comment after comment that if MCCain wins, if huck wins if Rudy wins large parts of the party will stay home. Not so with Mitt and Fred. I think a Ticket with Mitt and Fred on it will be a winner. Mitt can help get MI, some of the Northeast put into play like PA, NJ and Fred can roll up the South, the SW, Mountain states and the midwest. That leaves the Blue, blue NW and NE in The dems camp. Fred could not only win but win with enough of a mandate to fix SS, fund the defense, and cut spending. First principles all the way.
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Have you ever heard that rehashing the same attack line again and again means you got nothing else? Cause broken records are the first thing one stops listening to.
CTDeLude on January 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Fred, you are close to making me dig you. Keep it up and I will cut a (small) check.
Dirthead on January 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
What would it take to stop spreading this discredited rumor?
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
If Romney wins Michigan, and Mac wins SC, I think that Mac wins the nod. But I don’t see a Mac/Fred ticket really - that’s like: vote Republican - the two old white men ticket. I don’t think that can beat an Obama or a Hillary ticket.
Spirit of 1776 on January 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM
When you are in a 10 round fight, you don’t throw every punch in the 1st round.
Remember, there are a few primaries left.
Fred will continue to build up steam while gathering strong conservative endorsements.
In a few weeks Fred will seem like he is the apparent nominee. People from other camps will have dropped there delusional love for their candidate and swear they have been Fred heads the whole time.
Fred will do the same thing in the run up to the general.
If you haven’t already gave money to Fred you can do so here:
Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
TheSitRep on January 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM
I see. If he drops out you got back to watching “Law and Order” reruns and “The Hunt for Red October”?
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM
As good of a chance as any, I agree.
Spirit of 1776 on January 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Hell, Fred’s serious - as serious as a heart attack and getting more serious by the minute. Huckabee has made the mistake of waking this slumbering giant and that was a huge miscalculation on the huckster from Hope’s part. The dope from Hope is a malicious little pr**k that reminds me, for all the world, of the little peanut farmer from Georgia.
Even if Fred doesn’t get the nomination, and I WOULD NOT count him out (!!!) he’s going after that nasty little pecksniff and going to do so with a vengance. In so doing awareness of Fred and what he stands for will grow.
Charles Martel on January 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Hey, Fred’s fundraising?
ITS OVER NINE HUNDRED THOUSAAAND!!!!!
doubleplusundead on January 13, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Don’t feed the
tommylottotrolls.wccawa on January 13, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Hopefully your small check will be cut before the 19th. Fred can use all the help he can get for the South Carolina primary. Just sayin.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I’ve gotten to the point where I simply don’t care about winning as much as I care about a standard bearer who beliefs are worth fighting for. I’d rather, MUCH rather, go down with Fred than win with that odious little creature Huckabee or even the hero McCain.
Charles Martel on January 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I suspect Huck and not Romney was the one who spread the “Fred will drop out and endorse McCain” rumor in Iowa. That made Fred really mad.
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Spirit of 1776 on January 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM
If you were a conservative which person would you like to have standing last? Mitt with his millions and some conservative fundations, Huck with his populism appealing to large parts of the base? Rudy with his Rino credntials. Or would you like the choice be between you and a democrate in all but name for the parties nomination, one who has been fatally wounded on immigration, on free speech rights, on working with the dems, on age. No Fred is right he wants the choice to be between MCCain and Him. If it is which do you think the majority of the party will choose. 2000 showed that answer. The part does not want MCcain. Iowa showed that Huck could seize the base in orgasmic fever not so for the rest of the canidates, Huck is the most dangerous, he steals votes from Fred. You deal with the biggest enemy first then you go after the weaker ones. McCain is no REP front runner, never was and never will be.
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Charles Martel
Well said, amigo!
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:50 PM
And when you make Fred mad, you get your nuts kicked up through your throat. Not good for your style.
wccawa on January 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Now rhino…no need for pimpin’…….
Dirthead on January 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
If you like the guy, get behind him now before it’s too late.
That’s all I’m sayin.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I know, I KNOW!!! Of ALL of them, this is the guy who’s finally sold me that he totally “gets it” with regard to the issues most conservative republicans really care about…at least the ones who prefer to have a PRESIDENT as opposed to a PREACHER in the White House…and a preacher who engages in blatant, practically thuggish politics of VERY personal destruction just like the Clintons do. (Must be an Arkansas thing.)
I just do NOT understand why this guy’s not doing better and pulling higher poll and primary/caucus percentages…or more delegates, which is what really counts for something.
I sure hope he keeps it up and comes on even stronger.
It took me a long time to make up my mind who I wanted to win the nomination. That’s over. I now declare myself a Fredhead.
Shirotayama on January 13, 2008 at 10:55 PM
To give y’all a feel for how Fred is view by Hot Air bloggers
http://www.thesitrep.com/pres.htm
Fred Thompson 69.4% 227
Mitt Romney 19% 62
Mike Huckabee 7% 23
Rudy Giuliani 3.4% 11
John McCain. 1.2% 4
total votes: 327
That my friends, is a Fredalanche!© ◄ Donate!
TheSitRep on January 13, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Romney will win Michigan.
McCain will win South Carolina.
Florida will be up for grabs.
Romney or McCain will win Florida.
Rudy will drop out after Florida.
Your Republican nominee will be Romney or God-forbid Huck or McCain. Super Tuesday will only reconfirm whose ahead in the delegate count before Super Tuesday.
CABE on January 13, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Yeah, there is a new Huck nutcracker in the works, unlike the Hillary nutcracker you stick the nuts between the head and the torso.
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Yeah Rhino, I got it, SC is his firewall. I am just sayin’ I know my ass from in a hole in the ground. :)
Dirthead on January 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Wow, thanks CABE! Guess we can all just stop speculatin’ right now! Hey, can you look in your crystal ball and tell me how I look in ten years? I’m really working on my gut right now. Is it bigger, smaller??
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Fred had a theory that if you simply tell the truth and stick to the real conservative values people will follow. He has finally figure out that people respond to forceful language.
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
No one is attacking McCain because everyone knows perfectly well that he will implode as soon as one of them starts to bring his record into the mix. Each of the wants to be on his “good” side so that when it happens, they can get his endorcement, and the free deligates that will come with it.
P. James Moriarty on January 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM
The clip was just a portion of the interview. Here’s more…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_0j4jPdxA&eurl=http://www.blogsforfredthompson.com/
Fred does state his differences with McCain as well at Rudy and Mitt. Not as forcefully as I’d like regarding McCain. However, I agree with a poster on another thread who thought slamming McCain in a state (SC) with lots of military folks might not go over too well.
LodeStar on January 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM
There are at least five theories of why McCain is not being attacked. And nobody except for those not attacking knows the truth.
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Oh don’t worry about the weight loss…you’ll be dead within a few years.
CABE on January 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM
He attacked former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York, accusing him of stealing his tax plan, tagged Senator John McCain of Arizona as soft on illegal immigration and jabbed repeatedly at former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas for taking what he called “liberal” positions. Mr. Thompson scored one of the more crowd-pleasing remarks of the evening when he said about a recent encounter between a Navy ship and several Iranian speedboats: “I think one more step and they would have been introduced to those virgins they’re looking forward to seeing.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/us/politics/12thompson.html?ex=1357880400&en=0609ed7ae9277d05&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Well now THAT is a very good thing! Congrats. That at least means your no liberal.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
If Fred won the nomination the general would be a clear contest between liberal and conservative positions. What message would we take home if he lost? What would we do then?
Alternatively, if Mitt or Rudy lost in the general, what would that mean? I’m not including Huckster, because we already know what will happen and why it will happen with him.
a capella on January 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
People like McCain but they don’t agree with him. He’s as much a populist candidate as the Huckster is.
Mojave Mark on January 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
haha, that actually made me laugh. Good on ya. Now back to your palm readings.
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
With a well-worn face atop an angular, 6-foot-4 frame, he looks like the smartest man in town holding forth at the county courthouse.
Chip Felkel, a longtime South Carolina political consultant who is not working for any of the candidates, said Mr. Thompson initially seemed to be a candidate who might appeal to all the major voting groups in the state. “Social conservatives from Huckabee, military votes from McCain, economic conservatives from Romney,” Mr. Felkel said, referring to former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts.
“But so far he hasn’t done that,” said Mr. Felkel, who added that he had watched Mr. Thompson’s debate performance on Thursday and was skeptical that it had helped him much.
Sirita Long, a construction forewoman from Moncks Corner, disagreed. “He’s a straight-up shoot-from-the-hip guy,” said Ms. Long, who said she had been leaning toward Mr. McCain until the debate. “I could see him staring down our enemies.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/us/politics/12thompson.html?ex=1357880400&en=0609ed7ae9277d05&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 11:04 PM
As the election process has demonstrated so far this is not about liberal vs. conservative, at least mainly not that. It’s about “connecting”, “humor”, “winning debates”, “retail politics”, “passion”, repeating the word “Jesus”, and everything but what matters.
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I love that he’s basically setting himself up as the last defender of the Conservative movement, but I do agree with lorien as well: Why are you blasting Huckabee? He’s sinking himself! Go after McCain, I don’t care if he’s your friend!
Fred needs to ask himself if pointing out all that’s wrong with his friend Captain Amnesty, and potentially risking a personal friendship, is as important to him as the direction this country goes in. May be a hard decision, but if he’s gonna be running this country, he’s going to have to make hard decisions.
MadisonConservative on January 13, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I see a lot of wishful thinking on the part of a lot of followers of certain candidates. First they read the tea leaves and decide Thompson not going all out on McCain means he is conspiring and helping McCain. Then there is the McCain dream of winning the conservative base which will be important in a state like SC.
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Face it, Thompson goes after Huckabee simply because Huckabee draws from the conservative base, which Thompson needs. He was ahead in polls until recently as well. McCain can win crossover states like Michigan and New Hampshire where Democrats and Independents can vote, but I seriously doubt other states where they can’t.
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So it seems pretty smart to me, eliminate the Huckabee first, then maybe go after Romney if he puts up a good showing. Finally toward the end if he is even still around you might have to do something about McCain, but why waste money and time on a guy like McCain whom you pretty much can write off after Super Tuesday.
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In the end, it will be between Romney, Thompson, and maybe Huckbee. Guiliani is sliding, but if he gets a miracle he could still be in it. Thompson stays in it if he first wins or comes in second in SC and then follows on with other wins on Super Tuesday. Romney is in it for good simply because he has his own money. Huckabee will be in it simply because there are party power brokers willing to push him since he fits their RINO mold.
woodythesingingcowboy on January 13, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I hate McCain more than I hate Obama, who is far worse politically, and almost as much as I hate Hillary.
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Good QoTD, for sure!
The whole clip is worth watching, as well. Fred didn’t get too much into his economic stimulus plan, unfortunately, which is actually very good and can be seen in more detail here.
joewm315 on January 13, 2008 at 11:06 PM
And by the way, when I said ‘working on the gut’ I meant ‘working on the girth’. Who said anything about weight loss?
rhinoishere on January 13, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Huck is doing really well in the polls in SC. Where is the evidence that he is sinking himself?
Igor R. on January 13, 2008 at 11:07 PM
What would we do then?
a capella on January 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
What afraid of losing so you don’t want to figth. That used to be called being yellow.
If we lose, we regroup and fight another day. Like the Dems did after 2004.
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Only suitable candidates on the issue of the day - illegal immigration - are Hunter, Thompson, and Romney, in that order. Everyone else, Rep. and Dem., propose taking bribes for illegal aliens to stay in the country. And it is a WINNING issue across both Dem. and Rep.
If anyone else gets in, watch out for the biggest transformational mistake this century - 30 million instant residents on the ‘pathway to citizenship’ and 30 million more right behind them to take their places, when they see what a great deal it is. A pox on Huck, McCain, and Rudy - all coddlers of illegal aliens.
fred5678 on January 13, 2008 at 11:10 PM
A Thompson/Romney ticket would be fantastic. Fred’s conservatism and Romney’s managerial skills, as compared to whatever joke of a Democrat ticket gets chosen, would be unbeatable.
amkun on January 13, 2008 at 11:11 PM
A conservative Huck is not. Neither is McCain. Rudy is not conservative, certainly on social issues. Romney is questionable on conviction. So that leaves Fred. If Fred didn’t have a history, I think that he would be the clear conservative choice. (Just to answer your questions)
I understand what you are saying but I don’t see any reason he can’t criticize two people in the state that he needs to win. I will absolutely grant you if he is shooting for second, it’s a good strategy. The thing I think that makes Fred appealing is this whole notion of him telling it like it is. Well, I want him to tell it like it is wrt McCain. I know he has it in him now b/c of the debate. But maybe he is saving that for the c. trail there in SC.
Spirit of 1776 on January 13, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Fredmentum [Jonathan Adler]
Not only has the New York Times reported on the apparent surge in support for my guy Fred, but it seems that the red pick-up is picking up steam. Moreover, Huck’s been hurling attacks Fred’s way (though Huck’s barbs lack much substance). Either Fred got under his skin or, in Huck’s words, he’s “above the target.” I sure hope it’s the latter.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmM5YzgzNmM5MTAwZmU3YmI5YzRlY2E0OWFjNWZjYjg=
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 11:12 PM
I’m down. I’d like it to be in that order, but the other way would make me quite happy at this point.
joewm315 on January 13, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Spirit of 1776 on January 13, 2008 at 11:11 PM
I agree but politics being politics it is not the right time to attack McCain. when you start attacking everyone you look like a loser going for broke. Fred has staked out a very stark difference with Huck and is attacking that difference at the moment. If it suceeds he will repeat it with McCain, Rommney and Rudy.
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM
joewm315 on January 13, 2008 at 11:13 PM
AGREED. FRED and MITT are the only way to the WH in 2008.
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Don’t you get it yet? It is about the media and how they “frame” the candidates. Snip snip here, snip snip there. This “top aide” sez this, this “top aide” sez that. And presto! Fred is a lazy SOB who has no clue as to why he got in the race in the first place! Yeah, I’m sure that the perfect staff would stay two steps ahead of all this crap, but meanwhile …
argos on January 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM
And Hunter for SecDef?? An actual combat veteran with a son also a combat veteran?? What a change that would be.
fred5678 on January 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM
What happens if Rush comes out 100% for the FRED?
He is leaning that way now. But what happens if Rush endorses Fred?
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 11:17 PM
fred5678 on January 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM
throw in tancrando for homeland security and its signed sealed delivered.
unseen on January 13, 2008 at 11:18 PM
….what, no Paulbots?
Knuckledragger on January 13, 2008 at 11:18 PM
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