Mojave Mark on January 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Well, no one apologist has a corner on the market, since they all work with the same manuscripts. Just try to read “Dr.” Martin’s explanation of the hierarchy of Mormon’s, it took him 23 years, and several edits of his book to get even that simple concept correct (almost correct). You won’t care that he lies about his credentials, and inflates them…as a Christian I would think that would be a red flag, false witnesses and all. But then the bible is just good reading for some.
Here is a website that is great, with very good resources.

Romney was number one in N.H. among Republicans but the media doesn’t let you know that. He also won in Wyoming. People keep talking like every candidate, including Romney, is all washed up. Except for the kook Paul, any of these guys can win this thing and they’ll have my vote. I believe, however, that if it’s Thompson we won’t be holding our conservative noses when we do vote.

As I explain below, why the aberration even exists, it becomes very obvious why he is not leading in the national polls anymore.

The open outcry Iowa caucus, tweaked the results and gave him the boost that followed with a lead in the national polls……
…..but it also explains why it didn’t follow up in NH (less evangelical votes notwithstanding).

Mojave Mark on January 12, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Please, do some research into him. I am as faithful Christian as the next guy, but he does not represent my Christian faith. His book was full of errors, and was not a Dr. (or any more than you or I if we bought our degree), he hid his divorce, I don’t consider a divorce as sin, but hiding it to become a minister, that’s wrong…if that is your hero, you have low standards, sorry to burst your bubble. Look at his bio and history.

“For about ten years,” they write, “Walter Martin referred to himself as ‘Dr. Walter Martin’ even though he had no Doctor’s degree. Then, in 1976, he obtained a Ph.D. degree (Doctor’s degree) from a correspondence school. Since the school advertises that ‘No Classroom Attendance is required’, we can assume that this degree is a ‘mail order degree’” . Martin was ordained in 1951 in the General Association of Regular Baptists, but, as the Browns allege, this ordination was revoked two years later when “the ordination council learned in 1953 of his second marriage”

I am an equal opportunity exposer…”dr” Martin was fraudulent, and Jeff Lindsay is not much better….because the end is the same, they were and are ego driven, and agenda driven, not truth driven.

Go Fred!

Mojave Mark on January 12, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Dr Walter Martin was a disgusting bigot and a lair. He and Huck are cut from the same cloth. They lie about others faith and misstate their education.

Fred has gotten the message from all us Fredheads that he needs to keep his amp on 11. Every debate needs to be a RedBull moment for him. There’s plenty of time left and a couple of the current 5 might not be with us after Florida. The smaller the field, the better Fred will look. He’s the only grown up in the room. I’m really enjoying the fluidity of the Republican side as it only prepares the candidates for the big show in November.

Go Fred!

Mojave Mark on January 12, 2008 at 12:34 PM

No problem, just that Martin’s books, and especially “Kingdom of the Cults” have many factual errors in them. It may have been the “best at the time”, but he had his time…but his time has past.
His expose on cults, were no more than many other authors, he was just more strident.
And I agree, religion cannot be based on some burning desire only, or rely on some guy who speaks for God…particularly when that guy is chosen by seniority, and not by some religious standard.
Fred ain’t going anywhere, unless he keeps his foot on the accelerator.
Peddle to the metal (or meddle) Fred!

Dr. Martin wrote a few books, a few extremists consider him viable, the rest of Christianity consider exactly that…a radical. I could point to a several Mormons (the ones you so often defend) apologists who are even more wacky…ever hear of Jeff Lindsay? Just a wacky as Martin. right2bright on January 11, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Dr. Walter Martin, peace be upon him, had a national radio show. The name of the show was “The Bible Answer Man” and it was phenomenal. He wrote “The Kingdom of the Cults” which was the absolute best expose on religious cults at the time it was written. He influenced an entire generation of Christians and woke us up to the heretical doctrines of religions that try to pass themselves off as biblically based. Cults always have a formula, Martin would say, it’s the Bible plus… The Bible PLUS their guy’s teachings.

Religion has to be more than just “some guy said” it’s a real put up or shut up game. We can’t just rely on our feelings either. Before the Islamist blows himself and everybody around him up he really, truly, honestly believes he’s going to heaven. Heaven to him is unlimited food, sex, and pleasure. He believes this ’cause “some guy said.” Is it right just because “some guy said”?

Go Fred!

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/01/10/ad-takes-on-huckabee-in-south-carolina/

Lastly, I have never defended ANY radicals from ANY faith. And I’m getting real tired of your lies and unfounded accusations. You still owe Vanceone an apology for accusing him of being bought off by Mitt. Now you owe me one for accusing me of defending radicals.

csdeven on January 12, 2008 at 9:37 AM

You little arrogant man…Vanceone has never asked for an apology (youi little white knight), you are asking for him…and I explained it, you are the only one not to understand, I don’t change the rules of debate because you don’t understand, you are just one person who does not understand that record breaking spending is buying votes, Mitt is using his money to buy votes…you should apologize for not be smart enough to understand that. And I accused you of defending Mormons apologists, not wacky ones (I think he is wacky)…Lindsay is a mainstream Mormon apologist, maybe the most quoted of all Mormon apologists. Get off the “gotcha” wagon, and use some common sense.
Here is your apology: I am sorry you do not have the intellect to understand…really, I am sorry for you. I hope you get better.
Btw, how is Mitt’s RV, is it bigger than Fred’s red truck?…what did you call people like you? Oh, yeah, hypocrites…I would never call you that…naw…

Dr. Martin wrote a few books, a few extremists consider him viable, the rest of Christianity consider exactly that…a radical.
I could point to a several Mormons (the ones you so often defend) apologists who are even more wacky…ever hear of Jeff Lindsay? Just a wacky as Martin.

right2bright on January 11, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Dr Martins books continue to motivate the giboted wing of the evangelicals. Just a quick look through a Google search and you will find many vile anti-Mormon websites sponsored by evangelical churches. We have a Cavalry Chapel here that preaches that disgusting hate from the pulpit almost every Sunday.

And as I have said many times, MOST evangelicals are not gibots. Just look to the voting in Iowa. Most evangelicals split their vote to the other candidates. But there was a significant amount that voted for Huckashuckster because of his creds as the “Christian Leader”.

Lastly, I have never defended ANY radicals from ANY faith. And I’m getting real tired of your lies and unfounded accusations. You still owe Vanceone an apology for accusing him of being bought off by Mitt. Now you owe me one for accusing me of defending radicals.

Why is Fred off limits?

Chakra Hammer on January 12, 2008 at 1:50 AM

Fred’s record is not off limits. However, I make it a rule not to play rhetorical games with trolls whose arguments are so weak their only recourse is insulting a candidate’s wife. Nothing useful can be achieved from such an exercise in futility because there’s nothing anybody can say that will change your mind while it remains so obviously closed.

Next time try making your point with a degree of decorum.

RushBaby on January 12, 2008 at 1:43 AM

I’ve always considered crow feathers to be more of a garnish.

geckomon on January 12, 2008 at 1:57 AM

.. and I’m brother goat!

Mojave Mark on January 12, 2008 at 1:34 AM

Don’t bother, this one only outbursts from beneath his bridge. You won’t get a response.

C’mon. Try a little substance next time. Cherry picking one vote, even one bad vote, doesn’t cut it. Even Reagan had his off moments. For all the candidates we have to pick the whole man not just one vote.

Mojave Mark on January 12, 2008 at 1:34 AM

well, how much hell did McCain get for McCain-Feingold…?

Why is Fred off limits? He co-sponsored the damn thing.

There are other votes LOTS of them where he voted with libs… If you want to just believe the hype that he’s giving you and these blog’s shilling for him so be it, do some research, not that hard to expose a rat.

FloatingRock on January 12, 2008 at 1:39 AM

Yeah, yeah, yeah, next thing you’ll be complaining about the side dish of crow feathers.

RushBaby on January 12, 2008 at 1:25 AM

Trolls are mostly fat and gristle with little if any meat, and while their skulls are solid bone, they’re spineless.

look at all those liberals right along with “the consistent conservative” What a Crock! Chakra Hammer on January 12, 2008 at 12:57 AM

C’mon. Try a little substance next time. Cherry picking one vote, even one bad vote, doesn’t cut it. Even Reagan had his off moments. For all the candidates we have to pick the whole man not just one vote.

FloatingRock on January 12, 2008 at 1:12 AM

Tregan!