Huckabee strikes back: Fred did nothing in eight years in the Senate; Update: Huck camp to phone every evangelical pastor in Michigan for GOTV
posted at 11:25 am on January 11, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Not true. He was quite the wingman for McCain on campaign finance reform, wasn’t he?
This attack, oddly enough, parallels Fred’s insofar as it too works to Maverick’s advantage. Even the most idgit-y of idgit voters knows McCain’s name, knows he has loads of Senate experience, and knows that he’s accomplished a lot there. What they might not know, especially given his surge vogue of late, are the specifics of those “accomplishments” — pushing amnesty, voting against the Bush tax cuts, CFR, etc etc etc. And since Fred’s unwilling to remind them, it may come down to a simple question of who’s more likely between the two of them to get “results,” irrespective of what those results might be.
I tacked on a bit of unrelated red meat at the end, devoured by Huck with appropriate gusto.
Update: Via Ace, here’s what the “Christian leader” message means on the ground.
[P]ro-Huckabee organizers say they are focusing their entire effort on turning out evangelical church goers. They plan to call every evangelical pastor in the state over the next few days. Those ministers can’t endorse any candidate from the pulpit — but they can tell their parishioners that “it’s their Christian duty,” to turn out on primary day, said Glenn. “And we know who they’ll be voting for.”
To help drive that message home, thousands of volunteers will be dropping leaflets and waving signs in church parking lots across Michigan this Sunday. Glenn says there will also be several news conferences across the state through the January 15 vote featuring groups of pastors announcing their personal support for Huckabee, an organized wave of callers into Michigan’s Christian radio stations, and phone trees targeting the state’s largest churches from within.
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Huckabee will win South Carolina in a landslide victory much to Fred Thompson’s(you know…the guy that even Ron Paul is beating) dismay.
HaraldHardrada on January 11, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Why does every time I see Mike Huckabee on TV he pegs the insincerity meter? I grew up with a few “Christians” like Huckabee. Their “faith” gave them the ability to look down their nose at everything.
MoCoM on January 11, 2008 at 6:28 PM
McCain – conservative democrat
Huckabee – religious moderate democrat
Guiliani – moderate democrat
Paul – ?
Romney – now a moderate republican
Hunter – conservative republican
Thompson – conservative republican
Starlink on January 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Is name-calling allowed here. Normally I don’t like name-calling because an intelligent and reasonable person should be able to come up with something less cliche and more creative. But when a single work encompasses one’s intelligence, why not use it?
If name-calling is allowed, certainly, Maverick Muse(less), I’d say, ‘what an idiot.’
I’m no Mormon, but I was married to one (an evil, despicable human being) and knew most of them to be well-meaning, constructive and as loving and caring for others as any other so-called Christians that I’ve met.
Huckabee’s rise is clearly driven by blinder-wearing Southern Baptists cultists (probably like yourself) who will do anything to disrupt Romeny’s ascendancy. You/They fear it will validate the religion – such as the dribble about Mormons using it to grow their ranks.
ALL, I repeat, ALL Christians of any name – Baptist/Presbyterian/Lutheran/Catholic – are CULTS:
Notice: “…system of religious veneration…a particular FIGURE or OBJECT.”
The man you think was named Jesus (actually it was John and his disciple, John) is WHO you worship. Even if you try to use false reasoning, such as JESUS was an expression of GOD, or GOD itself, you are still worshiping a FIGURE! Ergo – all RELIGIONS are basically CULTS!
And if in your mind that isn’t convincing enough, consider the fact that most so-called CHRISTIANS have objectified their religion through the use of CROSS/CRUCIFIX and other such idols (saints/sites, etc.).
Jesus Freaking Christ, people – it’s the 21st Century already. Can we not examine historical evidence without worrying about small-minded oppression of those that desire to control others!?!?!
American is supposed to be about liberty, the free expression of religion, no state-approved religion, and individual, inalienable rights to pursue life liberty and happiness (and property, sadly deleted by our Founders out of their inability to reason that in the end, not even their sanctified idea of a free government had any right to eminent domain).
Get a life, Maverick. Yet better, get edumacated. Vilifying Mormons for their past actions (and present idiosyncrancies based more on Masonry than not) you also have to vilify AMERICA! Our past ain’t so pretty, either.
The road to enlightenment is rough and hard-won…and apparently no closer with people like you.
Live Free…or Die!
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 6:35 PM
An atheist speaks…claims all Christians are cult members.
“The fool in his heart says that there is no God”
HaraldHardrada on January 11, 2008 at 6:43 PM
He even insults my ancestor St. Olaf….
mksmithwriter: a fool indeed.
HaraldHardrada on January 11, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Where did I say I didn’t believe in God, or as I call It, the Creator. Only a moron doesn’t believe in God. I just don’t believe in YOUR God.
Either way, my right. Welcome to America,
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 6:59 PM
What a lovely family this guy Huck has!
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/huckfamily.jpg
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 7:02 PM
What kind of statement is it “only a moron doesn’t believe in God”? Why exactly is that? Got any way to support that?
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Where did I say I didn’t believe in God, or as I call It, the Creator. Only a moron doesn’t believe in God. I just don’t believe in YOUR God.
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Let me guess…You’re god is the evil moongod allah, correct?
HaraldHardrada on January 11, 2008 at 7:09 PM
He is such a bed wetter.
Zorro on January 11, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Only sound reasoning. If there is no Creator – ask this of any atheist – then where did matter come from? Yes, we can determine certain ‘building blocks’ of life – atoms, molecules, whatever – but nothing, not mathematics, not any human, can explain where it all came from. There are some interesting ideas of string theory, and an intriguing hypothesis on the Big Bang being a result of two massive yet separate object of matter bumping each other creating the bubble of our universe, but nothing, no one, even approaches the idea of ‘where did matter – dark matter, carbon (probably simple residue of the creation, yet so necessary for life) – come from?
Can you?
Of course there is always solipsism – we’re all just a figment of your imagination, Igor. Funny, you basing your name one a devout malformed follower of a madmen playing God. So funny!
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Heh. In reference to Maverick Muse’s post on the last page (the insane rant that Mormons are worse than Islamists), I’ll just gently point out two things for those who might be reading it and wonder if what Maverick Muse is saying is true:
1) He or she cited to the film “September Dawn,” practically universally derided as anti-mormon propaganda–stuff like Goebbels would have drafted.
2) Maverick Muse, as far as I know, still has not replied to the question whether or not driving Mormons at the point of a gun out of the United States is a bad or wrong thing, even when given the chance numerous times.
Draw from those two truisms what you will.
Vanceone on January 11, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Original thinkers are always ostracized by the status quo…and the ignorant.
My God is the Creator. It is a parent that wanted the simple joy of sharing life with others, and gave it up to do so.
Oh, wait, I got it confused with the Mini-chloridians…dagnabit!
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Well there is a standard response to your standard response: where did God come from? Surely it’s a lot more complicated to create an omniscient and omnipotent being that’s capable of creating all this complexity than just creating the complexity itself.
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 7:21 PM
*snicker*
RushBaby on January 11, 2008 at 7:21 PM
The GOP party faithful are beginning to understand each candidate and accept Fred’s legitimate candidacy platform.
Unless the party rallies around the GOP platform, the Mitt/Huck debacle will bring about the destruction of the GOP and of themselves in a national spectacle.
Neither Mitt/Huck, of their own SELF sacrifice for the cause of the GOP party platform, will relinquish their campaigns for the cause of the conservative movement’s success. However, both do require the sacrifice of others for their own promotion and the consequential success of the Democrat party. Huckabee, though, is despicably small minded.
Of Mitt/Huck, the bigger man, Mitt, may yet throw his support to the GOP conservative movement by endorsing Fred Thompson and thus ensure our party’s conservative national victory. But that miracle would require honest humility. In turn, Mitt’s personal sacrifice and loyalty to the GOP conservative party platform would catapult for life his own fame and career.
maverick muse on January 11, 2008 at 7:22 PM
Fred had a theory that if you run as a consistent conservative in the field of liberal and RINOs the voters will just gravitate to you. The role of the rest of he candidate was to convince Fred that you can’t simply re-write the psychology of the leader/follower interaction in human affairs any more than you can teach a group of wolves not to exhibit their submissive/dominant behaviors in a wild pack.
Now that Fred learned that meeting the followers’ expectations is a must, he is unstoppable because everything else is right about him.
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 7:36 PM
once again, too many typos, sorry…
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 7:36 PM
Exactly!
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 7:42 PM
The Red Pick Up has now passed the 750,000 mark.
Nyog_of_the_Bog on January 11, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Trying to rustle up a party in the Metamucil thread.
RushBaby on January 11, 2008 at 7:44 PM
What do you mean, exactly? If God created everything who created God?
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Exactly! The Enlightened Path is close. Keep going…
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 7:48 PM
I guess you just don’t want to answer the question. Hey, it’s a free country.
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Well there is a standard response to your standard response: where did God come from? Surely it’s a lot more complicated to create an omniscient and omnipotent being that’s capable of creating all this complexity than just creating the complexity itself.
…and this is why it is called “faith”.
uncivilized on January 11, 2008 at 7:53 PM
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Well?? This is the question I’ve been asking ever since I started a high fiber diet.
jerrytbg on January 11, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Pardon me, but I think if you research it, you’ll find the latest evangelical use of the word cult to demonize all faiths they don’t hold to be true started with a disgusting charlatan name Dr Walter Martin.
All religions are cults. It was Dr. Martin that tried to redefine the word to apply to those he deemed heretical.
csdeven on January 11, 2008 at 7:55 PM
I have no qualms with that. He had stated that anyone who doesn’t believe in God is a moron. I asked him to back it up, and he can’t.
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 8:03 PM
And aside from defining our Creator for Igor:
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Poor Igor, don’t you see? YOU have to answer the question YOURSELF…that’s why it’s called Enlightenment!
Some people seem born to just follow, Igor. Time to go back to your Doctor Frankie…
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Just like Huck, when you can’t back up your statement you resort to cheap insults. I have had my Enlightenment. Just don’t call those you disagree with morons unless you can back it up.
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Oh…My…God! Comparing me with The Huckster…that’s…that’s just…insulting!
Are you kidding me?!?! Huckie would introduce me to the Gates of Hell if I said this stuff to him!
Poor Igor, it’s not insulting to tell someone to keep searching for enlightenment. It’s insulting to insinuate one is enlightened yet still asking how one can know there is a God/Creator/Mother/whatchamacallit!!!
Even as enlightened as I am, I know I am still a moron…BUT…I know there is a Creator/God…so I’m less than a moron that an atheist is.
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 8:29 PM
OK, enough of this stuff. You reminded why I haven’t gotten into a religious argument for years until the last couple of days.
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 8:34 PM
The appeal of populism like Huck’s has always been this: “I know you’re an unfortunate idiot. I know idiots, I like idiots, I understand idiots and their problems. If you elect me, I will help you idiots out, trust me.”
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Religion? Not me, Dude. Not me…unless Freedom/Liberty/Love is a religion.
Religion is a social construct, nothing more, nothing less.
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 8:41 PM
OK best of Freedom/Liberty/Love to you and may the force be with you!
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Was that “force” or “farce” – I get ‘em confused!
;-)
Handsome Smitty
mksmithwriter on January 11, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Then he writes this:
In other words, people with nutty thoughts are ostracized…gee I wonder why? But original thinkers, or ones that think original thoughts are only ostracized by the ignorant.
Here is an original thought…I think you are from the planet Zenon and all people from Zenon make love to pidgeons. and you have come here to embody the priciples of Xorac, the evil dictator, who eats your pidgeons. You believe that all men are actually women, and that snails will eventually rule the world. Their slime will cure all diseases and we will hail them as our Savior…All hail the Snail, is the mantra of the new world.
Now there is original thought, if you ostracize that you are ignorant by your account of the world.
Tell me, how is it in your world…do you hear voices that tell you who is evil and who is good…do the voices sometimes yell at you, tell you that you are bad…do the voices follow you everywhere…do people whisper behind your back, about you…is your phone tapped, do you hear clicking…are people looking at you through your computer…I think they are, I see you…
right2bright on January 11, 2008 at 9:49 PM
I’ll buy you a vowel.
Igor R. on January 11, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Dr. Martin wrote a few books, a few extremists consider him viable, the rest of Christianity consider exactly that…a radical.
I could point to a several Mormons (the ones you so often defend) apologists who are even more wacky…ever hear of Jeff Lindsay? Just a wacky as Martin.
right2bright on January 11, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Dang. This thread went to sh*t.
wccawa on January 11, 2008 at 10:00 PM
“A cult is a religion with no political power.” – Tom Wolfe
eanax on January 11, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Let’s try and change the dynamic.
FRED PORN!!!
wccawa on January 11, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Yea, then they overstay the VISA and become Illegal.
Fred voted against creating a verification system…
People need to Look at his votes.. and quit looking at his wifes botox injected face and silicone breasts.
Chakra Hammer on January 11, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Many of the new members that signed up the other day are great, but some of these trolls really need to be weeded out. They are bringing this place down.
FloatingRock on January 11, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Well look at his the votes, don’t pay attention to his panders.
S.25
Title: A bill to reform the financing of Federal elections.
S.25
Title: A bill to reform the financing of Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/21/1997) Cosponsors (31)
COSPONSORS(31), ALPHABETICAL
Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM] – 1/21/1997
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] – 1/29/1997
Sen Bryan, Richard H. [NV] – 2/13/1997
Sen Byrd, Robert C. [WV] – 5/9/1997
Sen Cleland, Max [GA] – 1/21/1997
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. [CT] – 1/21/1997
Sen Dorgan, Byron L. [ND] – 9/4/1997
Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] – 1/21/1997
Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] – 1/21/1997
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] – 3/17/1997
Sen Ford, Wendell H. [KY] – 1/21/1997
Sen Glenn, John H., Jr. [OH] – 1/21/1997
Sen Graham, Bob [FL] – 1/21/1997
Sen Harkin, Tom [IA] – 2/6/1997
Sen Johnson, Tim [SD] – 1/21/1997
Sen Kerrey, J. Robert [NE] – 1/21/1997
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] – 1/21/1997
Sen Kohl, Herb [WI] – 1/21/1997
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] – 1/21/1997
Sen Levin, Carl [MI] – 2/4/1997
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] – 3/10/1997
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] – 3/12/1997
Sen Moseley-Braun, Carol [IL] – 1/21/1997
Sen Moynihan, Daniel Patrick [NY] – 2/24/1997
Sen Murray, Patty [WA] – 1/21/1997
Sen Reid, Harry [NV] – 1/21/1997
Sen Robb, Charles S. [VA] – 7/16/1997
Sen Sarbanes, Paul S. [MD] – 4/15/1997
Sen Thompson, Fred [TN] – 1/21/1997
Sen Wellstone, Paul D. [MN] – 1/21/1997
Sen Wyden, Ron [OR] – 1/21/1997
———-
look at all those liberals right along with “the consistent conservative”
What a Crock!
Chakra Hammer on January 12, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Not so fast, FR. These aren’t weeds, they’re a savory meet dish:
1. Tenderize with cluebat
2. Filet
3. Salt and pepper to taste
4. roast
5. slice
6. garnish
7. serve
8. Use correct fork
9. chew bit by bit
And then, later, after digestion, we get to
10. Expel “digesticle.”
RushBaby on January 12, 2008 at 1:01 AM
You culinary genius, you.
geckomon on January 12, 2008 at 1:10 AM
I’m trying to maintain a strictly troll free diet.
FloatingRock on January 12, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Tregan!
RushBaby on January 12, 2008 at 1:25 AM
C’mon. Try a little substance next time. Cherry picking one vote, even one bad vote, doesn’t cut it. Even Reagan had his off moments. For all the candidates we have to pick the whole man not just one vote.
Mojave Mark on January 12, 2008 at 1:34 AM
Trolls are mostly fat and gristle with little if any meat, and while their skulls are solid bone, they’re spineless.
FloatingRock on January 12, 2008 at 1:39 AM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, next thing you’ll be complaining about the side dish of crow feathers.
RushBaby on January 12, 2008 at 1:43 AM
well, how much hell did McCain get for McCain-Feingold…?
Why is Fred off limits? He co-sponsored the damn thing.
There are other votes LOTS of them where he voted with libs… If you want to just believe the hype that he’s giving you and these blog’s shilling for him so be it, do some research, not that hard to expose a rat.
Chakra Hammer on January 12, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Don’t bother, this one only outbursts from beneath his bridge. You won’t get a response.
geckomon on January 12, 2008 at 1:57 AM
.. and I’m brother goat!
geckomon on January 12, 2008 at 1:58 AM
I’ve always considered crow feathers to be more of a garnish.
FloatingRock on January 12, 2008 at 2:33 AM
Fred’s record is not off limits. However, I make it a rule not to play rhetorical games with trolls whose arguments are so weak their only recourse is insulting a candidate’s wife. Nothing useful can be achieved from such an exercise in futility because there’s nothing anybody can say that will change your mind while it remains so obviously closed.
Next time try making your point with a degree of decorum.
FloatingRock on January 12, 2008 at 2:41 AM
Dr Martins books continue to motivate the giboted wing of the evangelicals. Just a quick look through a Google search and you will find many vile anti-Mormon websites sponsored by evangelical churches. We have a Cavalry Chapel here that preaches that disgusting hate from the pulpit almost every Sunday.
And as I have said many times, MOST evangelicals are not gibots. Just look to the voting in Iowa. Most evangelicals split their vote to the other candidates. But there was a significant amount that voted for Huckashuckster because of his creds as the “Christian Leader”.
Lastly, I have never defended ANY radicals from ANY faith. And I’m getting real tired of your lies and unfounded accusations. You still owe Vanceone an apology for accusing him of being bought off by Mitt. Now you owe me one for accusing me of defending radicals.
csdeven on January 12, 2008 at 9:37 AM
You little arrogant man…Vanceone has never asked for an apology (youi little white knight), you are asking for him…and I explained it, you are the only one not to understand, I don’t change the rules of debate because you don’t understand, you are just one person who does not understand that record breaking spending is buying votes, Mitt is using his money to buy votes…you should apologize for not be smart enough to understand that. And I accused you of defending Mormons apologists, not wacky ones (I think he is wacky)…Lindsay is a mainstream Mormon apologist, maybe the most quoted of all Mormon apologists. Get off the “gotcha” wagon, and use some common sense.
Here is your apology: I am sorry you do not have the intellect to understand…really, I am sorry for you. I hope you get better.
Btw, how is Mitt’s RV, is it bigger than Fred’s red truck?…what did you call people like you? Oh, yeah, hypocrites…I would never call you that…naw…
right2bright on January 12, 2008 at 11:09 AM
For all you Huck supporters, here is something to think about:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/01/10/ad-takes-on-huckabee-in-south-carolina/
Texas Nick 77 on January 12, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Dr. Walter Martin, peace be upon him, had a national radio show. The name of the show was “The Bible Answer Man” and it was phenomenal. He wrote “The Kingdom of the Cults” which was the absolute best expose on religious cults at the time it was written. He influenced an entire generation of Christians and woke us up to the heretical doctrines of religions that try to pass themselves off as biblically based. Cults always have a formula, Martin would say, it’s the Bible plus… The Bible PLUS their guy’s teachings.
Religion has to be more than just “some guy said” it’s a real put up or shut up game. We can’t just rely on our feelings either. Before the Islamist blows himself and everybody around him up he really, truly, honestly believes he’s going to heaven. Heaven to him is unlimited food, sex, and pleasure. He believes this ’cause “some guy said.” Is it right just because “some guy said”?
Go Fred!
Mojave Mark on January 12, 2008 at 12:34 PM
No problem, just that Martin’s books, and especially “Kingdom of the Cults” have many factual errors in them. It may have been the “best at the time”, but he had his time…but his time has past.
His expose on cults, were no more than many other authors, he was just more strident.
And I agree, religion cannot be based on some burning desire only, or rely on some guy who speaks for God…particularly when that guy is chosen by seniority, and not by some religious standard.
Fred ain’t going anywhere, unless he keeps his foot on the accelerator.
Peddle to the metal (or meddle) Fred!
right2bright on January 12, 2008 at 1:20 PM
BTW, just to set the record straight. I do not think Martin ever received a Doctorate degree from an accredited school, I believe it was a correspondent school, and he never wrote a Phd paper (thesis, dissertation). I am always suspect of someone who overstates their education.
Although, I may be wrong, you would have to ask one of his several wives.
right2bright on January 12, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Walter Martin’s daughter has a website. if you want to go to the source about him and his work.
Fred has gotten the message from all us Fredheads that he needs to keep his amp on 11. Every debate needs to be a RedBull moment for him. There’s plenty of time left and a couple of the current 5 might not be with us after Florida. The smaller the field, the better Fred will look. He’s the only grown up in the room. I’m really enjoying the fluidity of the Republican side as it only prepares the candidates for the big show in November.
Go Fred!
Mojave Mark on January 12, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I Huckabilly attempts to contact Baptist preachers in northern michigan, he may find the reception rather chilly. They are much smarter and more conservative than the morons in Iowa.
flytier on January 12, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Dr Walter Martin was a disgusting bigot and a lair. He and Huck are cut from the same cloth. They lie about others faith and misstate their education.
csdeven on January 12, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Dr. Walter Martin was/is one of my lifetime heroes.
Go Fred!
Mojave Mark on January 12, 2008 at 5:33 PM
Luckily Martin is not running for office…He was as wacky as Jeff Lindsay is, I put them in a similar box.
I don’t think Huck ever claimed to be a religious apologist…and I don’t think he will be running for long after Fred gets through with him.
It took a leader to put Huck in his place…Fred leads again.
right2bright on January 12, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Please, do some research into him. I am as faithful Christian as the next guy, but he does not represent my Christian faith. His book was full of errors, and was not a Dr. (or any more than you or I if we bought our degree), he hid his divorce, I don’t consider a divorce as sin, but hiding it to become a minister, that’s wrong…if that is your hero, you have low standards, sorry to burst your bubble. Look at his bio and history.
I am an equal opportunity exposer…”dr” Martin was fraudulent, and Jeff Lindsay is not much better….because the end is the same, they were and are ego driven, and agenda driven, not truth driven.
right2bright on January 12, 2008 at 5:55 PM
MIKE HUCKABEE IS AN ABERRATION.
Mcguyver on January 13, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Ravi Zacharias is the big Christian apologist of the new century. He has taken Dr. Walter Martin’s “Kingdom of the Cults” book, and wrote a forward to it for its 2003 edition. Apparently he has his heroes too, and I don’t know of a bigger name in Christian apologetics than this guy. Let the libs do the ad hominem attacks, Martin, though imperfect, was a man of substance who influenced an entire generation of believers.
Romney was number one in N.H. among Republicans but the media doesn’t let you know that. He also won in Wyoming. People keep talking like every candidate, including Romney, is all washed up. Except for the kook Paul, any of these guys can win this thing and they’ll have my vote. I believe, however, that if it’s Thompson we won’t be holding our conservative noses when we do vote.
Mojave Mark on January 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Well, no one apologist has a corner on the market, since they all work with the same manuscripts. Just try to read “Dr.” Martin’s explanation of the hierarchy of Mormon’s, it took him 23 years, and several edits of his book to get even that simple concept correct (almost correct). You won’t care that he lies about his credentials, and inflates them…as a Christian I would think that would be a red flag, false witnesses and all. But then the bible is just good reading for some.
Here is a website that is great, with very good resources.
right2bright on January 14, 2008 at 9:54 AM
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