Video: Iran airs its version of the incident in the Straits of Hormuz Update and a clarification

posted at 10:35 am on January 10, 2008 by Bryan

It’s almost hilariously lame. You only see one of the Revolutionary Guard boats actually moving, as much of the footage consists either of long shots of US ships or close-ups of a guy on the radio. I can’t say with certainty if Radio Guy in the Iranian video is the same voice that shows up in the US video, but they do sound similar. Oddly, the Iranians left out the part about threatening to blow up the US ships. I’m sure they’re just editing for brevity’s sake.

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The Iranian video is edited to make it look like their boats weren’t doing anything, just sitting around bobbing on the sea while Radio Guy tries to make contact. For comparison/contrast purposes, here’s the US version of the incident as it aired on Hannity & Colmes. Note the speeding and weaving and moving to within 100 meters or so of the US ships. Seeing Alan Colmes toss up Gulf of Tonkin as his first reaction, rather than, say, the USS Cole, to cast skepticism on the US here is just a bonus.

But I’m sure he supports the troops.

Update: ABC reports that the Navy is saying that can’t verify where the radio call threatening to blow up the US ships was coming from. The most reasonable assumption, and the one that the Navy seems to be working on, is that it came from one of the boats. But they don’t know for sure.

In yesterday’s post on the subject, I identified Joe Sestak as a retired Vice Admiral. Fox identified as such, which is why I did. But it’s not so, says CDR Salamander in an email to me.

Sestak was a Vice Admiral (VADM), a 3-star, when on active duty, but only for a short time – not long enough to retire as a VADM. He was fired from his job he now brags about by the then Chief of Naval Operations and now Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Mullen. He was fired due to his “Command Climate.” In Navy talk, that means he abused his Staff and was impossible to work for and with. When he retired, he retired at the rank of Rear Admiral (RADM), 2-stars. He is, officially, RADM Joe Sestak, USN (Retired), if you don’t use his Congressional title.

Though it is considered poor form and is a gray area, due to a complicated tradition about being able to wear the highest rank you ever wore during a time of war, he can wear the highest rank he ever held, 3-stars, at parades and funerals, though he is still considered a RADM.

This is important, as by not correcting those who call him a VADM, he willingly representing the position that he holds a rank he does not. You may want to make a correction to your post; he is officially a retired RADM. Ask for his DD-214……

Good to know. I won’t identify him as a retired Vice Admiral in the future since he doesn’t deserve it. Fox ought to clarify things as well.

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No, we’re the lying despots.

The Iranian Military is as pure as the driven snow.

/sarc

Techie on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 AM

First thing I noticed in the videos, the speedboats the iranians in are blue. The speedboats in the US version are blue and the same size. Looks like the US version of the tape was legit

offroadaz on January 10, 2008 at 10:38 AM

We reported the incident.

Iran copped to it.

We provided video.

Iran says, “That’s Fake!”

America doesn’t have anything to lose here.

Mazztek on January 10, 2008 at 10:45 AM

The voices don’t sound the same. Hell, the Iranian sounds Fwench. And the US voice is nothing like in the US version.

Was Michael Moore near the gulf recently? Maybe he gave the Iranians some pointers on film editing.

Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 10:46 AM

I smell another Hollywood BLOCKBUSTER in the making!

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM

If the US made it up then, next time, how about making up sinking the bastards!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 10, 2008 at 10:50 AM

A .50 cal at 100 yards is devastatingly effective on fiberglass and smartassery.

csdeven on January 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

The bad thing about all this is that our ships are commanded by mid level officers who are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Had they blown the Iranian boats up then Murtha would have had them up for hearings; had they let them inflict damage, then Murtha would have held hearings. Rules of Engagement cannot cover all possible scenarios.

Dingbat63 on January 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Did I just agree with Geraldo about something?

nailinmyeye on January 10, 2008 at 10:54 AM

A .50 cal at 100 yards is devastatingly effective on fiberglass and smartassery.

csdeven on January 10, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Indeed!

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Funny that they keep refering to these little boats as “ships”. Um…”ships”? Are you kidding me?

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Did I just agree with Geraldo about something?

nailinmyeye on January 10, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Yeah, makes you feel all dirty, doesn’t it? *Shudder*

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 10:56 AM

The Gulf of Tonkin refference has irked me since I first heard it.

What would these same folks be saying if there had been a Cole repeat?

That was a nice looking bow wave on the Port Royal though.

The recording from the Irainian side was between them and the Port Royal.

The Tape the coalition released was between the Irainians and the Hooper.

The Irainian version may have come first. It must have been fun having to catch up with the navy in those small boats.

Or, the sailors were playing it really cool to be so calm after the probe.

cozmo on January 10, 2008 at 10:57 AM

I smell another Hollywood BLOCKBUSTER in the making!

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Yeah, except in the Hollywood version, the US Navy will be carrying toxic waste to dump at a site next to an orphanage and the Iranians will be the good guys.

highhopes on January 10, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Ugh. As soon as I saw Hairaldo I stopped watching it. Obviously another time waster.

KMC1 on January 10, 2008 at 11:04 AM

Did I just agree with Geraldo about something?

nailinmyeye on January 10, 2008 at 10:54 AM

With Slick Willie smacking down the truthers a few days ago, I’m beginning to get dizzy…

MadisonConservative on January 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM

What would these same folks be saying if there had been a Cole repeat?

The libtards, the Paulettes and the dem’s would all say we deserved it for provoking them. Oh, and they support the troops. And by support, I mean support as in standing on a coffin to use it as a soapbox.

JustTruth101 on January 10, 2008 at 11:10 AM

First “Redacted” and now this! Damn you Brian DePalma!

Tony737 on January 10, 2008 at 11:16 AM

They should have sent them to the bottom when they got within one kilometer. Let them know this isn’t the Royal Navy.

thekingtut on January 10, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Said the mouse to the lion, “What are you up to there, big guy?”

*scurry away*

fogw on January 10, 2008 at 11:21 AM

I wonder exactly how orchestrated this whole incident was on the Iranian side…like, were they actually expecting the US ships to fire on the boats, and were there units on the Iranian shore ready to go…

JetBoy on January 10, 2008 at 11:25 AM

I interact with US Navy ships many times each year out here in Washington state waters, and I’m tellin’ ya… if I ever got that close to a Navy ship, I would be fully prepared to have my lunch handed to me. Probably in very small pieces.

wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 11:26 AM

I think we need to ask John Kerry (former Swift Boat Commander) what he would have done.

diogenes on January 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Was Michael Moore near the gulf recently? Maybe he gave the Iranians some pointers on film editing.

Funny. They have him on speed dial!

Yitzchokm on January 10, 2008 at 11:40 AM

If this becomes habit they’ll eventually swarm us with martrydom boats, like the Japanese were going to do when we invaded the home islands. A hundred or so would almost guarantee some got through. The famous Marine general who blew up the huge war game a few years ago used this tactic to sink most of the fleet (simulated). And that’s why they’re piling on the machine guns again, like WWII.

Beagle on January 10, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Other news reports said they dropped some sort of floating boxes in the water near the ships. I think they were probing the ships as a dry run for a waterborne IED attack.

someguy on January 10, 2008 at 11:48 AM


“Seeing Alan Colmes toss up Gulf of Tonkin as his first reaction, rather than, say, the USS Cole, to cast skepticism on the US here is just a bonus.”

And right there you highlight the main difference between people who take this Long War seriously and those who do not. Those who take it seriously, and understand that there are enemies who wish to cause harm to us in this world, immediately think of the USS Cole, and for good reason. But those who just see everything through a cynical, political eye, and believe the United States and the “neocons” are the sole reason for any strife and lack of peace in the world, immediately think of Gulf of Tonkin.

Just sad.

Michael in MI on January 10, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Now if Fred Thompson had been in charge of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command, we wouldn’t be having this discussion!!!!!!!!

The Iranians would have been conducting search recovery operations by now!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 10, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Let’s say a hundred martyrdom speedboat specials cost a hundred million to produce. That’s about nine hundred million less than the average capital warship these days. And it’s more like ten million. So they’ll have a thousand of these things ready to go to compare to our expenditure in one ship.

Of course speedboats don’t project power in blue water. But we won’t be fighting in blue water.

Beagle on January 10, 2008 at 11:56 AM

This video was a completely separate incident. This would be a typical interaction with radio contact I would imagine. The one that they did this weekend wasn’t typical. This weekend we should have sunk 5 Iranian boats.

ThackerAgency on January 10, 2008 at 11:59 AM

This video was a completely separate incident. This would be a typical interaction with radio contact I would imagine. The one that they did this weekend wasn’t typical. This weekend we should have sunk 5 Iranian boats.

Nope, the video the Iranians released is of the three US ships involved.

I don’t have the info to vouch for the audio, but the video matches hull numbers. The audio has the Iranian speaking with the Port Royal, the Aegis Cruiser.

What I am having trouble with is the formation of the three ships compared to other video.

cozmo on January 10, 2008 at 12:10 PM

As an aside only. Artists are our doves in the coal mine, so to speak. They attempt to portray Islam honestly as they see it, then receive death threats (and worse) for their trouble. Their oxygen levels – representing western freedoms – are being depleted. Heed the warning. People like Alan Combes can’t make the connection.

Portrait of the Artist as a Dhimmified Man

Bacchus on January 10, 2008 at 12:10 PM

I think we need to ask John Kerry (former Swift Boat Commander) what he would have done.
diogenes on January 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM

We already know the answer and it is exactly what the Iranians did….hit the gas and fled away.

libhater on January 10, 2008 at 12:13 PM

I wonder if the crews on board the moving targets were preparing for the afterlife?

You have to figure that they were thinking that any given moment their mission would come to an end….

the 50 would take care of business, but I was considering the 20mm close-in-support ( Phalanx ) system.

That would be a great vid!

Sonosam on January 10, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Death. Bombing. Horror. War porn. Evil. Bikinis.

What do these things have in common?

Drunk Report on January 10, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Liked the Chinese gals….

Wade on January 10, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Death. Bombing. Horror. War porn. Evil. Bikinis.

What do these things have in common?

Drunk Report on January 10, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Vowels?

Nineball on January 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Death. Bombing. Horror. War porn. Evil. Bikinis.

What do these things have in common?

Drunk Report on January 10, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Under-coverage?

Shy Guy on January 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Drunk Report on January 10, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Ron Paul supporters ascribe all of them to people who disagree with them.

MadisonConservative on January 10, 2008 at 12:57 PM

I think we need to ask John Kerry (former Swift Boat Commander) what he would have done.

diogenes on January 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM

That’s easy, Kerry would have put himself in for a Congressional Medal of Honor and arranged Senate time to bash the Navy for the way they treated the Iranians.

highhopes on January 10, 2008 at 12:58 PM

I’ll donate the first $50 to buy Alan Colmes a one way ticket to Teheran. Anybody with me?

FishFearMe on January 10, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Oddly I agree with Geraldo. We need to establish rules of engagement and follow them to the letter. The message should be come close to our boats and we will use you for target practice.

drjeep on January 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM

The more I listen to the Iranian side of the conversation the more interesting it gets. In the first transmission, I keep getting that he wants to know the size and number of helo’s operating in the area. Did they figure the biggest threat to them was from helicopters? Not very smart of them, but thats what it sounds like.

What would of happened had they known there were none in the area?

cozmo on January 10, 2008 at 1:43 PM

If I hear Gulf of Tonkin one more time, I’m gonna throw up. It’s like every time something happens, like in this case our ships being obviously provoked by Iranian ships, lefties instinctively cry out “GULF OF TONKIN!!!!!!!!” Like we don’t have enough reason already to engage Iran more forcefully, I think we’re showing a great deal of restraint with them as it is. It’s really pathetic that American liberals more reflexively trash their military and government rather than the military of a radical country like “gay-people-free” Iran. It’s wack.

mattyj86 on January 10, 2008 at 2:55 PM

I’ll donate the first $50 to buy Alan Colmes a one way ticket to Teheran. Anybody with me?

I’d send him first class if he promised never to come back.

mattyj86 on January 10, 2008 at 2:56 PM

I wouldn`t show footage of U.S. ships on state t.v. if I were in charge there. They see their leaky little boats and compare them to what we bring to the party.

Mr. and Mrs. Iranian: “Why are we afraid of our government again?”

ThePrez on January 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM

I’ll donate the first $50 to buy Alan Colmes a one way ticket to Teheran. Anybody with me?

Alan will be Alan. While there are lots of people I would hang out to dry for their opinions and or the garbage they spew, I will give him credit for presenting and defending his opinion (as skewed as it is) in a medium that allows for retort vs the Olberman approach where he can say what he wants without having to suffer cross examination.
Lets not go the way of the Dems. Let him say his peace so we have soundbites to debate.

@ntif@n on January 10, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Sadly, Rosie hasn’t weighed in yet… Probably because she broke the scale the last time she did, OOOOOOOH! (rimshot)

RightWinged on January 10, 2008 at 4:50 PM

diogenes on January 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM

All kidding aside I don’t know what Kerry would have done but I damn sure know what the swifties did for us when we were close ashore in Friendly waters off Viet Nam. They were our body guards. Nothing that wasn’t USN was allowed to approach us and I mean nothing. If something made an approach they got one verbal warning through a bull horn. Next they got one burst across the bow, next they got to be kindling. Brown water guys were our guardian angels and we loved ‘em. Kerry wasn’t there at the time.

Oldnuke on January 10, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Having stood bridge watch on a US Warship in the Persian Gulf it is not all that uncommon to have small craft come at you and the ship give those warnings over BTB radio the approaching “Go fasts.”

As any old salt who has been to sea for a few years and this is a not such a big deal as landlubbers make it to be. If we shot every boat that approached like that at sea there would be some very negative headlines.

Does anybody know if the ships were in the straights? If so they should have already been at GQ for the transit, guns manned and helicopter overhead for cover. Just wondering.

dako on January 10, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Rename the H&C show to “Hannity and Al-Jazerra”
Colmes could go to work at A.J. and not miss a beat.

Geraldo is right on the money this time.

Texyank on January 10, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Re bikinis:

It’s what they don’t reveal that is most interesting?

mikeyboss on January 10, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Bryan, that was HILARIOUS! Is this the best the Iranian Media arm can bring? What a bunch of buffoons! They’re just lucky they didn’t float over some undersea mine charges. HA! Iranian Popcorn. hehehehe

Hey, I can dream, can’t I?

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Orange life vests make for good targets!
Would someone please tell those Iranian Revolutionary Guards that it is considered bad form to wear a life vest when conducting suicide operations.

Bubba Redneck on January 11, 2008 at 2:13 AM