Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!
posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?
Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?
Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.
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Go McCain! (Oh crap, I’m rooting for McCain. Well, he is GWOT Good.)
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
I generally don’t watch these debates because I’m not thrilled about any of the guys that actually stand a chance…. But am I the only one who thinks Fred! wasted Huckabee about 20 minutes ago?
RightWinged on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
I assure you malan89…these aren’t spammers, but regulars just excited about Fred.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
OMG..are you serious??? You are definitely new here. WELCOME!
heatherrc77 on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Given that he is desperate for money, I think Fredheads should be pushing it all the time…
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
You’re new here, aren’t you? (Big smile) Welcome.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Fredalanche!©
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
I bet McCain’s bite exerts more pounds of force per square inch than that of a saltwater crocodile.
Seriously, the man is a manimal.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Ron Paul is a doddering old loon.
ronsfi on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
TROUT = McKayne
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Mac is slow tonight….
Mcguyver on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Hello….Thats what politicians running for office do…It’s what people supporting those politicians do…
doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
McCain invoked “my friends” DRINK
broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
McCain: “Just the facts, ma’m. Just the facts”
darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
here we go….McCain came up with the surge
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
RP is looking more and more like Perot’s running mate.
“Where am I? Is there a debate going on?”
Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Surge Anniversary.
Drink
yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
My name is John McCain, I’m a motivational speaker….
joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
. But am I the only one who thinks Fred! wasted Huckabee about 20 minutes ago?
He did!
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
McCain looks old tonight. Or is it just me?
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
He should just be glad we don’t have many Paulbots.
Think this is spam? No way
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
omg – 800+ comments D:
Ugly on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
I’m with Mitt!
Paul took one up the corn chute on his Iran comments.
madmonkphotog on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
McCain was pleased with his last answer.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
wow…mccain finally gave credit where credit is due…I didn’t realize hell froze over tonight!
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
2nd pretty good answer from McShamnesty
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Bravo, McCain, putting it to the Demorats about national security.
maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
ice comment about GenDP getting Man of the Year
yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
It isn’t just you, we have a whole page of Fred owned Huck comments.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Fred needs a win tonight.
He’s down; other candidates (not to mention commenters on this site) are counting him out; and Ron Paul is there – on stage with him…
You want to generate some attention with the MSM?
He should have requested to be the first to speak; He should have said that he and everyone else on stage are good decent Republicans; and he should have said “I cannot, in good consence, stay on this stage, with a racist, anti-semite, white supremecist”. He should have followed up with an appeal to the other Republican candidates to join him in walking off stage and discontinuing the debate unless RP walked off.
If He/They all walked off together RP would be DUST. Fred would have shown leadership.
If RP was the only candidate left on stage, he would have to ANSWER questions on, national TV, about his newsletters… If he tried a Wolff Blitzer answer, he would be GONE!
The MSM would have been ALL OVER this story for DAYS afterwards. Momentum restored!
FloridaBill on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Fredalanche!©
TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
*Nice
yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
I’M TIRED OF LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Anyone else feel that Guilini lacks charisma?
Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
McCain looks and acts like he’s 1000
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Until Now, I’ve been thinking Ron Paul ought to be honest and start calling himself a Libertarian again. But now, it is obvious to me that he would be lying if he called himself a Libertarian anymore. If he wanted to be honest he would join Cindy Sheehan in the CIP:
Clueless Idiot Party
“I can’t hear a word you say”
(Is he deaf as well as dumb)
LegendHasIt on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
McLame makes me sick. I respect his military service & sacrifice but, am I the only one that thinks it might have affected himm?
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Guliani trusting the PA to keep peace in the Middle East?
Does he see fairies also?
madmonkphotog on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Okay, then.
Here Ya Go!
Here Ya Go!
Here Ya Go!
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Home with Honor.
Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
McCain has that “who farted?” look on his face while Rudy is addressing him.
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Just tonight?
And it’s not you, it’s him.
Jaws Of Steel :D
Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Rudy is like an afterthought….but he’s at least going after mccain
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Hey Rudy Tooty: You are not Ronald Reagan. Get over it. Rudy takes McCain on his “I invented the
internetsurge.”BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Rudy’s got Surge-Envy
yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Rudy is an awful speaker. He’s lucky Paul is up there to make him looks good.
fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Rudy out surged McLame
Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Rudy seems tired and frustrated IMO
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Let’s argue who is a bigger fan of the surge. Way to stand out.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Since when did trashing Rummy become fashionable?
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Nice snear by McLame.
omnipotent on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
McCain’s still a gun grabber and open borders guy….I will not vote for him no matter how patriotic he is.
P. James Moriarty on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Now you’ve got the idea.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Sad but true
flyboy777 on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Like I said, they should have brought the sand sculpture up and put IT behind the podium.
wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Rudy looks like he doesn’t want to be there
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
If Paul were president there wouldn’t be any more Jews.
RobertInAustin on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Oh damn Goler leading Paul down the path to certain doom by dangling the pretty carrot for him.
SimplyKimberly on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
I disagree with him on A LOT, but I really wouldn’t mind a Rudy presidency if he put up the right judges.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
we know what side you support Ron.
phronesis on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
I HOPE this will be the most-watched debate of the season. It’s GOLD!
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
WILL SOMEBODY ASK THIS LOSER ABOUT HIS NEWSLETTER!!!
Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Paul on the Middle East: Der, der, der.
Leave the Middle East. What a way to support Israel.
madmonkphotog on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
*LOOK* good. Ugh.
fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Romney is reliving his ’68 days. As in, the years he was Age 68.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Ron, who brought the Israeli’s and Palestinians to the table?
They didn’t do it themselves.
Keljeck on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Ooops,Rudy said Reagan again!
canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
There would be more incentives because there would be more violence.
darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Yeah…the islamo freaks will deal with Israel fairly…riiiiight, Ron Paul.
SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Ron P. Coltrane …
*goot*goot*
yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
IS Ron Paul channeling Barney Fife tonight or what>?
WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Moderator: “Mr. Paul, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck?”
Ron Paul: “Old MacDonald had a farm, eee aye eee aye o.”
Moderator: “???”
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
*That would be McCain.
BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Why is Ron Paul getting so much air time?
ChartreuseDragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Yep, Fred PWNED Huck pretty bad.
Chuckie on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Ron Paul: You are taking so much valuable time away from sane candidates.
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
God that man is a whiney git.
tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Paul is setting himself up for a Fred pwning!!!!
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
US does get in the way in Israel. In the way of arabs who want to kill the jews.
lorien1973 on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
STFU Dr. Paul, you loon.
omnipotent on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
If we followed Ron Paul’s advice, wouldn’t Iraq still be a terrorist state controlled by Saddam Hussein?
kc2ige on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Is Ron Paul running as a republican?
/SARC
NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Ron Paul is the Don Knotts of Politics!!!!!
WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
RON IS A RETARD!!!
MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I recall Rudy’s claim supporting Bush/Iraq consistently.
maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Paul is getting pwned! The questions he is given are perfect bait for his rhetoric! Sorry to the paulnuts here, but he is off his rocker concerning foreign policy.
lsutiger on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
why is it every time RP talks i have the urge to make jiffy pop
Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Paul’s whiny voice! Arggh! My fillings!
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I’m with Mitt!
Paul believe Arab nations would work with Israel? Is he drunk?
madmonkphotog on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
He deserves most of it….he tried to take Iraq without the proper ammount of troops.
malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Ron Paul, if Israel acted wouldn’t THEY also have blowback?
Keljeck on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Blowback………….DRINK!!
omnipotent on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Okay, so it’s not just me… I still think Fred! doesn’t stand a chance because he didn’t really decide he wanted the job until a few days ago… But I DO NOT WANT HUCKABEE, so it was awesome to see. Man, he really just wasted Huckabee, and Huck’s comeback was incredibly weak.
RightWinged on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
BLOWBACK!
AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
McCain= :-o
Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
A couple good ones by McCain.
ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
OH IT’S ON NOW!
fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Who stacked the deck with Paulnuts?
unamused on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
I hate MOR-Ron Paul!
kcd on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
McCain is painfully irritating with his totally unsubstantial one liners
John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Is that a tiny antenna coming out of Paul’s head? Maybe not, just a hair out of place.
mustang1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM
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