Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!

posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?

Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?

Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Huck’s answer sucked

Talon on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Fred did good. Huck is now gonna say a whole bunch of smooth, hypnotic, effective bullshit.

Christoph on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

yep, the audience likes it bigtime

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Is there a live Luntz deal some where.

TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Fred is take-no-prisoners in the DIRTY SOUTH!

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

That is pure BS…True to Reagan. Now, THAT is a lie.

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Chuck Norris just pee’d his pants.

yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

ROFL

zane on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Heck, the Republicans ALL mention Reagan as much as the Dems mention “Change”. As much as I love R.R. I’m getting sick of them all pretending to be the true heir to the Reagan mantle. None of them on stage are. Duncan Hunter is the closest, but Fox and the SC GOP wouldn’t let him into the debate. Thompson is the second closest to the Reagan mantle….

Oh, cool, Fred just straightened them out about Reagan. First big cheers from the audience. YAY!

LegendHasIt on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Huckabee deflects all of his liberal views by pointing to the fact he cut taxes in a liberal state..

henzou on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Poor Fred. Has to “ask” to say something? Fox is trying to cut him off at the knee’s?

mustang1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Freds on a roll,GO FRED GO.

canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

OMG….how do you invoke Reagan by trashing him?!!!!!!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Huck makes my stomach hurt.

salmonczar on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Weak rebuttal by Huckandpuke.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Democrats are clapping I assume!

Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Ok, Huck, you ran out of time a minute ago.

Better luck next time.

Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Donate!Donate! Donate!!!

broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Fred assaults Huck. Bring out Chuck so FRED can torpedo him too.

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

GO FRED!

Another 100 bucks for Fred!

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

EGAD!

Did Huck just wink AND point?

How clinton-esque

yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Arkansas shuffle?

TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

people vote for me so I must be good.

–Huck

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Fred, just walk over there, pick up the Huckachuck, rip his spine out, AND BEAT HIM TO DEATH WITH IT!

wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

“Complete Conservative????”

You’re kidding, right?

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Great show of who is what, FRED!

maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Without quoting George Will

THANK YOU CARL…I’m so sick of that damn “most conservative gov’t” quote!

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

When Brit says “Thank you”, it’s time to shut up, Huck. The first time, not the 3rd or 4th. He already let you go extra.

ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Maybe Hucky boy will cry…

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Fred did good. Huck is now gonna say a whole bunch of smooth, hypnotic, effective bullshit.

Christoph on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Yup. And then claimed he “set the record straight” with a pack of partial truths.

joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Whats the score on bringing Reagans name up,
damm!t I lost count!

canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Crush Huck Fred. Bring it to him buddy. Takin it to the streets my man.

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Fred OMGWTFBBQPWN’D Huckster.. That was fatal

stlpatriot on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

THOU SHALT NOT TAKE RONALDUS MAXIMUS’ NAME IN VAIN!!

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Fred took the microphone and put Huck to shame.

maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Uh Rudy…..”Peace through strength” was Barry Goldwater’s idea.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

I still can’t get over that. Fred just kept getting up steam. I think Fred looks good tonight. Go FRED

spacekicker on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Rudy: “I worked for Ronald Reagan…”

Yer no RR RG

Ugly on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Holy crap. My entire family erupted into cheers because of Fred!

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

glad i dont do the drinking games or Id be drunk on the regan refferences
hmmm MIT hasnt said Reagan yet I dont think

WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

… and I’m getting tired of hearing everyone invoke Reagan’s name. Does that make me a bad Republican?

salmonczar on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Another lie.

LagunaDave on January 10, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Wrong answer Dave…The correct answer is…

People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.

Rudy did exactly that in NYC when he banned firearm ownership to provide security. Rudy banned guns in New York City, when his laws were challenged he went to congress to defend those laws and furthermore and most important. Rudy attempted to circumvent the second amendment by suing gun manufactures.

doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Someone throw Rudy a lifeline, or let him phone a friend

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

any live feeds anybody?

JustTruth101 on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Can’t wait to see the Luntz meter on Fred!’s whoppin’!

Casper the Friendly Host on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Should we be drinking when they say Reagan??

Getting out the Malibu now.

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Whats the score on bringing Reagans name up,
damm!t I lost count!

canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM

I smell a drinking game……..

Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Much as I love Reagan, I’m already sick of hearing his name tonight.

ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Rudy: Ronald Reagan was the stronger leader … compared to Jimmy Carter.

WTF? That’s not saying much. A head of cabbage is a stronger leader when compared to Carter.

Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

I am trying to send Fred some more money and I think his site is overloaded.

http://www.fred08.com

TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

I wanna hear Fred’s take on the rest of the fellas.

yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Hell yes Carl!

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

OOH, THE TWOOFERS! HAHAHA

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

See, no more crap about how Rudy only talks about 9.11. The guy has a resume.

Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Huckabee deflects all of his liberal views by pointing to the fact he cut taxes in a liberal state..

henzou on January 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM

He didn’t address any of the points other than “I cut taxes and I took flak for it.” He points to particulars with the hope that you will confuse several particulars with a universal, namely that he has these fundamental overarching conservative principles.

darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Here we go

fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

I loved what Fred said! I just wish he was more effective in the way he presented it.

henzou on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Um, Rudy…Reagan won 49 states in 1984!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

THANK YOU CARL CAMERON…

spacekicker on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

LOL 9/11 TRUTHER!!!

broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

TROOOFERS QUESTION

Ugly on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

HAHA, Paul get’s the troofer question?

AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

MO-RON!

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Is Rudy talking about winning Oregon? Big thinking there.

OMG TRUTHER MENTION IN PAUL QUESTION!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG>>>>>>>>>WOW!

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

This oughta to be good…9/11 truthers.

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

any live feeds anybody?

JustTruth101 on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

foxnews.com

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

oh let the ron paul back pedal begin BLE BLEH BLEH

WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Choke on this questions Rupaul from Cameron!!!!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

“Abandoned?” Fool.

fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Is this Truther question necessary? It’s just wasting time.

darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Get your refreshments–Paul is up

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

thx nick

JustTruth101 on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

… and I’m getting tired of hearing everyone invoke Reagan’s name. Does that make me a bad Republican?

salmonczar on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Nah, it doesnt. It’s a new day and people need to look forward.

joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Rudy just laid down his case for his social views … i.e. electability.

the social cons either buy it or they dont. But the 50-state strategy is his case.

Always Right on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

AHHHHHH 911 Truther question from the nazi

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

No, because I believe 9/11 was an inside job, so I can’t actually refute it.
-RP

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Wow.

Ron Paul’s sprinting, not just running, away from the Truther question.

Coward.

Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Drink every time you hear the “ding ding!”??

P. James Moriarty on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Paul you want in on the debate?? NO PROBLEM!!!

broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

But you take their money you loser!!!!!!!!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

cheering for Paul? go away Paulbots

WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

I can still hear Fred’s voice in my mind, though Huck blew himself, and Rudy’s trying to be “on”.

maverick muse on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

He actually handled it rather well IMO.

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

I am trying to send Fred some more money and I think his site is overloaded.

http://www.fred08.com

TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Never thought I’d have to say this….stop spamming FredBots.

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Is there a live feed for this?

doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

JustTruth101 on January 10, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Np…sorry i didnt link it for you

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Ron Paul ducks and weaves……Oh the Troofers will take him down….

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Republican self-bloodletting. This is healthy. Criticizing for big government and then a race to the bottom to make it smaller. Good good.

Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

I would donate $1,000 to any candidate who looks over and says, Ron, WHY ARE YOU HERE?

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

foxnews.com

ChartreuseDragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

why does he sound like Droopy on uppers?

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

tin foil hat time

Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

The Windows Media url is http://foxnews-foxstream.wm.llnwd.net/foxnews_foxstream if you don’t want to use the Fox News window.

darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Is there a live feed for this?

doriangrey on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

FN.com

baldilocks on January 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM

“I have abandonned” means “I had them”. period

TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Paul is a huge broken record…I guess that appeals to some people.

AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM

drink

yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM

He’s posessed my Lyndon LaRouche!!

fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Did Paul take his blimp to the debate? Anyone know?

mustang1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM

OMG whiney crybaby MO-RON

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM

He actually handled it rather well IMO.

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:31 PM

I totally agree. Not only handled the question well, pretty much nixed in the bud anymore questions along those lines.

p0s3r on January 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM

The look on Mitt’s face at RP is priceless!!! LOL

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:32 PM

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