Open thread: The “Fred’s and Mitt’s last chance” debate!

posted at 7:54 pm on January 10, 2008 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET on Fox News from Myrtle Beach, SC. The anticipation over Ron Paul’s impending immolation has deflated a bit thanks to his CNN appearance, but only a bit: Kudos to Wolf Blitzer for tossing him softballs so that Wallace can put the screws to him in primetime. Tonight’s the last spin of the wheel for Fred and Romney, needless to say. With McCain and Huck in front of him, Fred’s going RINO-hunting; expect him to hammer the “true conservative” meme to the point of desperation. Mitt’s task is tough given the fact that Michigan is the must-win for him now, not SC. That means less Carolina social-con red meat about values and the war and more Detroit red meat about economic recovery. Something to chew on while you watch — even if one of them dropped out and could somehow cede all his votes to the other, that would still only put the survivor one point ahead of Captain Amnesty. How did we get to this point?

Also needless to say, count on lots of surge anniversary talk from McCain and some “culture of life” red meat from Huck. While you wait, enjoy the latest on Bloomberg’s already insufferable flirtation with his messianic nonpartisan presidential run. He’s Mitt Romney minus the looks, charisma (really), and conservative values, plus a few extra plutocratic billion in the bank. Where do I sign up?

Two videos for you, too. The first is McCain’s primary strategy — from last month. His guys may not have money but they know what they’re doing. The second is … unfortunate.

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FRED DALTON THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT ’08!

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Do you think McCain knows that the rest of the Republican party wants to poke him in the eye?

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Climate change is probably real

Don’t slip off that fence, Sen.

yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM

CLIMATE CHANGE IS THE GOP’S BEST ISSUE!!!!!!

Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

STOP MCVainity no References to Reagan NOOOOOOO
yo bastard dont even go to Teddy too you BASTARD!
(yes i thank him for his service LOL)

WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

HOW CAN MCCAIN GET AWAY WITH SOUNDING LIKE HE HASN”T BEEN PART OF THE PROBLEM FOR DECADES?!

Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Yeah, John, push climate change some more. We lap that up.

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:21 PM

I second that.

darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

McCain. Bridge To Nowhere.

Now THAT’S a campaign slogan!

wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

McCain said “climate change”.

We just can’t go one day without pandering to this hysteria, can we?

Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Huckabee,chastizing the moderators guest questioner,
thats bonus points,no!

canopfor on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

“I don’t know what the lights mean”

McCain doesn’t know what colors are what

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

“Family Values” is a useless term. Specifics, McCain.

fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Totally unrelated. Just opened my Rush in a Hurry newsletter. Remember this? Classic Clinton.

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

How many times is Mitt going to have to answer this question!!???!!?!? MOVE ON!

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

McCain said “climate change”.

We just can’t go one day without pandering to this hysteria, can we?

Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Trying to reel in the moderates and some liberals too

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:23 PM

This debate is painfully bad so far. I don’t know if its the lack of real answers, lack of interesting questions, or that everyone seems sleepy.

Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Huckster sounds pissy with Carl.

He seems tired.

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM

He should probably drop out so he can get some rest, then. Spending more time with his family would be good too–who knows how many dogs could be saved with more adult supervision around the house.

ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Does anybody else love the face Huck makes when he’s trying to seem sincere? The eyebrows like come together toward the nose….ya’ll know what I’m talking about.

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:20 PM

It a skill that Baptist Preachers develop quite naturally. MMy dad and 2 uncles are Baptist Preachers. One of my uncles has a praying voice. It’s really kind of funny.

stenwin77 on January 10, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Yeah, John, push climate change some more. We lap that up.

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

McCain isn’t sure about the lights they’re using? Good lord, he’s bombing.

darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:23 PM

I could live with a Mitt presidency.

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:23 PM

If I were a woman…. and Mitt were into it… I’d be wife number two

Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Trying to reel in the moderates and some liberals too

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:23 PM

That’s called appealing to his base.

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Mac showing the age of his eyes…

Mcguyver on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Economic and social issues are read meat for Republicans as much now

William Amos on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Mitt’s hair is too shiny.

Ugly on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

I’m on the bus, en route home.
Recap?

fourstringfuror on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Someone clap for Mitt…geez.

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Mitt…the first person to get Reagan right…but enough already…none of these guys are Reagan!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Mitt laddles on a heavy dose of Reagan gravy

yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

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tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

I have to admit Mitt is pretty smooth

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

ugh… that came out wrong

Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Trying to reel in the moderates and some liberals too

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:23 PM

He knows that the Michigan Obama people will swing over to him b/c the messiah isn’t on the ballot.

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Idjit voters + it’s his turn voters.

Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Mitt just made the point that a powerful economy is a good thing

AUINSC on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Huck and Mac are speaking slow tonight.

Mcguyver on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Fred’s got FIRE in the belly tonight!

MsUnderestimated on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Hahaha, Fred is getting snippy! Who knew… the first sign of life from anyone tonight is from FRED

Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Fred standing up for equal time–the good kind

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

FRED HAYMAKER ON HUCK!

Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Thompson taking charge…go on…speak it! This is the Fred we need to see!

SouthernGent on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

That’s right Fred, take the initiative!

Go Fred!

Pwn him Fred!

DON’T LET GO!

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Yeah Fred… take it to him!!!!!!!

Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

SLAMMMMMMMMEEEMMMM FRED!!!!!

Mcguyver on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Go FRED!!!!! SLAP!

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

GO FRED!!!!!!!!

Talon on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

He knows that the Michigan Obama people will swing over to him b/c the messiah isn’t on the ballot.

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Dont tease me…I hope youre right…will check it out later

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Fred attacks!!!!!!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

oof! pow! BAM! Take that, Huck

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Fred’s finally taking charge on this ridiculous time shaft he’s been getting

joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Woo, Fred’s going after the Huckster hard, calling him a liberal. The truth hurts.

ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Unlike Keyes in the Iowa debate, when Fred asks if he can answer a question, he doesn’t sound shrill or petty.

darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Fred dissing Huckabee!!!! YAY!!! Somebody has a spine! WOW…I’m a Mitt supporter but Fred has the biggest (pardon my french) balls on stage.

malan89 on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Call him out FRED!

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Get’em Fred!

Weight of Glory on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

HUCK IS DEAD

Where’s the crow bar?!

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Fred is alive. For once. Go Fred!

BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Oh noes……

It’s on now.

Fred just threw down the glove on the Huckster.

Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Fred. All Fred. WHOMP!

wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

FRED SHINES!

RISE BABY

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Someone is going to town on Huck. Wow.

Wineaholic on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Huckabee is fine when in control of the conversation. Toss even the slightest bit of distratction or conflict and he comes off as whiny and combatitve. Let’s see how he handles Fred’s tongue-lashing.

cannonball on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Fred attacks, dang

jp on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Fred’s all up in Huck’s kool aid.

baldilocks on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

SWEET!!!

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Couple this (NRA)with NASCAR Dads and small business owners and it should compsise a decent sized constituency. Come to think of it no one seems to be courting small business owners and entrepreneurs. Domestic small business is responsible for creating the most new jobs in the last ten years or so. I think the entrepreneurial spirit trumps the evangelicals. After all it the legacy of Ronald Reagan.

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:00 PM

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Holy Crap Fred just brought out both barrells!!!

broker1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

BAN SMOKING??!!!!

Ugly on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

yep, the audience likes it bigtime

NellE on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

FREDALANCHE!

NickTx on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Huck steals McCain’s line. Lame.

BKennedy on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

SMACK!!!!!

P. James Moriarty on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

tear it up Fredrick!

TheSitRep on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

GRAND SLAM HOMERUN FOR FRED

lame response by Huck

Always Right on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Woo, Fred’s going after the Huckster hard, calling him a liberal. The truth hurts.

ReubenJCogburn on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

It’s about time. Very good. Standing O!

darii on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Here comes the whinning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reaganliveson on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Fred with a right hook

ulyses on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

fred shoots fred scores shuckabee you deimmi

Mojack420 on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

LMAO

zane on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Fred, challenge Huck to a duel to death! Do it now!

Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Go ahead on Fred!

He completely and totally smacked Huck to the ground.

SimplyKimberly on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

great job fred

custer on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Holy crap Fred just tore Huck a new one. Go Fred! Maybe there is some life in him after all.

Chuckie on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Fred!

phronesis on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

woo hoo Fred!!!

ChartreuseDragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Fred nails it.

wccawa on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Couple this(NRA endorsment) with NASCAR Dads and small business owners and it should compsise a decent sized constituency. Come to think of it no one seems to be courting small business owners and entrepreneurs. Domestic small business is responsible for creating the most new jobs in the last ten years or so. I think the entrepreneurial spirit trumps the evangelicals. After all it the legacy of Ronald Reagan.

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:00 PM

sonnyspats1 on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Who’s cheering for Huckabee on that pathetic one-liner?

joewm315 on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

This is going to be interesting… everyone’s turning on everyone.

Vizzini on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred! Fred!

Micheal on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

o lord give us that sound bite Huckster…. BLEH
blah blah blah
not done in hundred years what letting over a thousand criminals go free?

WastelandMan on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

GO FRED!

Mike Huckabee is the model of the dhimmicratic party!

GO FRED!

Timothy S. Carlson on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Chuck Norris just pee’d his pants.

yo on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Ding dong.

tickleddragon on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Fred just threw down the glove on the Huckster.

Hawkins1701 on January 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Threw down the gauntlet? He just beat him to death with a lead pipe

John_Locke on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

HELL YEAH FRED!!!

Spirit of 1776 on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Nice jab by Fred at Huck with the NEA endorsement line. The NEA is poison to Republicans (or should be).

fiatboomer on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Huck really should have said that he is getting the flack because he is the ENEMY

Always Right on January 10, 2008 at 9:26 PM

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